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Offline Aleah

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Re: Condemnation of Poche Errors and Formal Warning
« Reply #45 on: January 07, 2020, 12:59:45 PM »
Quote from: Mark 79 on January 07, 2020, 11:36:21 AM
Aleah, once again you fail to keep your eye on the ball. It is Poche himself who mocked confession.

Dec 28:

Poche: Matthew and Mark79 are right. I did make a mistake in quoting from Matthew. I apologize.
https://www.cathinfo.com/general-discussion/condemnation-of-poche-errors-and-formal-warning/msg681100/#msg681100

Dec 29:

josefamenendez  called him out: Poche, that was a "mistake' with serious deliberate intention to obfuscate the true meaning of the scripture to support a larger false perception.  ("It" meaning the Church versus "you" meaning Peter). Some people would call that a lie to further an agenda.That's no mistake.
https://www.cathinfo.com/general-discussion/condemnation-of-poche-errors-and-formal-warning/msg681126/#msg681126

I asked: If you made a mistake, singular, why did you defend the "mistake" with additional "mistakes"?…
https://www.cathinfo.com/general-discussion/condemnation-of-poche-errors-and-formal-warning/msg681108/#msg681108

I accused him and posted additional evidence in that thread of Poche piling lies upon lies.
https://www.cathinfo.com/general-discussion/poche-please-explain/msg681107/#msg681107

Eventually, after a variety of ruses, Poche responded:
I went to confession this morning and the priest gave me absolution.
https://www.cathinfo.com/general-discussion/poche-please-explain/msg681110/#msg681110

I took that at face value: Then let us all keep a clean slate.
https://www.cathinfo.com/general-discussion/poche-please-explain/msg681116/#msg681116

Perspicaciously, josefamenendez called Poche on his mockery: I see a lot feigned innocence that is atypical of an autist. Poche is insideously clever in his replies. The depth of certain posts (especially in foreign languages) belies the his childlike responses here. He tends never to answer a question and always misdirects. Hmmmmm... very good bot or serious troll
https://www.cathinfo.com/general-discussion/poche-please-explain/msg681124/#msg681124

So, if he hadn't lied, but only made a "mistake," why did he feign (or misdirect) that he confessed?
He attempted to use confession as an alibi. Poche mocked confession.

Jan 4:

Responding to josefamenendez' Dec 29 accusation "serious deliberate intention to obfuscate the true meaning of the scripture to support a larger false perception," Poche stated: You are right. I had a larger idea that I was trying to convey.


Jan 5:

Poche: I see a huge difference between a deliberate lie and an honest mistake.
https://www.cathinfo.com/general-discussion/condemnation-of-poche-errors-and-formal-warning/msg682408/#msg682408

So, BEFORE AND AFTER feigning repentance at confession (by misdirection), Poche denied (by misdirection) any LIES in his posts. His LIES were merely "mistakes" and "larger ideas." Poche is the one who mocked confession.
Passing judgment on his confession is a mockery of the sacrament and should be admonished.
No need to say anything to Poche as you and others are condemning him hourly but maybe you need to get that beam out of your own eye.
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Offline Mark 79

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Re: Condemnation of Poche Errors and Formal Warning
« Reply #46 on: January 07, 2020, 01:42:41 PM »
Again you miss the Catholic mark, Aleah.

I made no judgment of Poche's internal forum.

I merely observed the objective chronological sequence of Poche's objective lies and misdirection.

In Catholic moral theology I am free to make objective observations.

Objectively Poche insisted he only made a "mistake" because he "had a larger idea" and then claimed he confessed.

If you are able, think clearly now. One makes a mistake by accident, not willfully because you have an agenda, "a larger idea." It is a contradiction for Poche to claim a "mistake" because he "had a larger idea." Either (1) Poche made a mistake by accident or (2) he had an agenda, so intended to lie. He cannot logically have it both ways. Objectively Poche stacked lie upon lie. That excludes possibility #1, leaving only #2, Poche had an agenda, a "larger idea,"so intended to lie.

Poche is a liar and he mocked confession as an alibi and misdirection, feigned contrition for something he claimed repeatedly before and after his "confession," was not a sinful lie, but only a "mistake."

Poche hoisted himself on his own petard. He, not I, made a mockery of his own confession.
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Offline Bonaventure

Re: Condemnation of Poche Errors and Formal Warning
« Reply #47 on: January 07, 2020, 02:07:24 PM »
Quote from: Mark 79 on January 07, 2020, 01:42:41 PM
Poche is a liar and he mocked confession as an alibi and misdirection, feigned contrition for something he claimed repeatedly before and after his "confession," was not a sinful lie, but only a "mistake."

I'm still trying to get my head around that one.  How does one, on the one hand, claim that only a simple mistake has occurred (and thus not sinful), but yet on the other hand assert that one has gone to confession with implication that said "sin of mistake" was confessed?  It makes no sense.
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Offline Mark 79

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Re: Condemnation of Poche Errors and Formal Warning
« Reply #48 on: January 07, 2020, 04:25:22 PM »
Quote from: Bonaventure on January 07, 2020, 02:07:24 PM
I'm still trying to get my head around that one.  How does one, on the one hand, claim that only a simple mistake has occurred (and thus not sinful), but yet on the other hand assert that one has gone to confession with implication that said "sin of mistake" was confessed?  It makes no sense.

Exactly.  It reminds me of one of the craziest and most contemptible passages in the тαℓмυd excusing “unwitting” sodomy [Sanhedrin 54b] as if such an unnatural and intrinsically difficult act could be accidental or a "mistake."

Analogously, Poche had his "greater idea" and wanted to justify his "greater idea," so he accidentally made a "mistake" of falsifying Scripture to accomplish his goal—and then publicizes his confession of his "mistake"?

Who is stupid enough to such a sequence of blatant manipulative lies and misdirection? Oh wait, we know who.
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Offline poche

Re: Condemnation of Poche Errors and Formal Warning
« Reply #49 on: January 07, 2020, 10:56:31 PM »
Quote from: Mark 79 on January 07, 2020, 11:36:21 AM
Aleah, once again you fail to keep your eye on the ball. It is Poche himself who mocked confession.

Dec 28:

Poche: Matthew and Mark79 are right. I did make a mistake in quoting from Matthew. I apologize.
https://www.cathinfo.com/general-discussion/condemnation-of-poche-errors-and-formal-warning/msg681100/#msg681100

Dec 29:

josefamenendez  called him out: Poche, that was a "mistake' with serious deliberate intention to obfuscate the true meaning of the scripture to support a larger false perception.  ("It" meaning the Church versus "you" meaning Peter). Some people would call that a lie to further an agenda.That's no mistake.
https://www.cathinfo.com/general-discussion/condemnation-of-poche-errors-and-formal-warning/msg681126/#msg681126

I asked: If you made a mistake, singular, why did you defend the "mistake" with additional "mistakes"?…
https://www.cathinfo.com/general-discussion/condemnation-of-poche-errors-and-formal-warning/msg681108/#msg681108

I accused him and posted additional evidence in that thread of Poche piling lies upon lies.
https://www.cathinfo.com/general-discussion/poche-please-explain/msg681107/#msg681107

Eventually, after a variety of ruses, Poche responded:
I went to confession this morning and the priest gave me absolution.
https://www.cathinfo.com/general-discussion/poche-please-explain/msg681110/#msg681110

I took that at face value: Then let us all keep a clean slate.
https://www.cathinfo.com/general-discussion/poche-please-explain/msg681116/#msg681116

Perspicaciously, josefamenendez called Poche on his mockery: I see a lot feigned innocence that is atypical of an autist. Poche is insideously clever in his replies. The depth of certain posts (especially in foreign languages) belies the his childlike responses here. He tends never to answer a question and always misdirects. Hmmmmm... very good bot or serious troll
https://www.cathinfo.com/general-discussion/poche-please-explain/msg681124/#msg681124

So, if he hadn't lied, but only made a "mistake," why did he feign (or misdirect) that he confessed?
He attempted to use confession as an alibi. Poche mocked confession.

Jan 4:

Responding to josefamenendez' Dec 29 accusation "serious deliberate intention to obfuscate the true meaning of the scripture to support a larger false perception," Poche stated: You are right. I had a larger idea that I was trying to convey.


Jan 5:

Poche: I see a huge difference between a deliberate lie and an honest mistake.
https://www.cathinfo.com/general-discussion/condemnation-of-poche-errors-and-formal-warning/msg682408/#msg682408

So, BEFORE AND AFTER feigning repentance at confession (by misdirection), Poche denied (by misdirection) any LIES in his posts. His LIES were merely "mistakes" and "larger ideas." Poche is the one who mocked confession.
How have I mocked the Sacrament of Confession?
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