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There are folks here who are starting to get it...especially the converts.  These folks are the people who could use some evangelization, but if any one of us were to join and start posting the Truth in there, we would be banned in a New York minute.

Francis is now apostatising from the NO/CA apostasy.
Meaning that by NO's own standards he is going too far.

Yes, if they could just get Benedict back!   :cry:

These folks are the people who could use some evangelization, but if any one of us were to join and start posting the Truth in there, we would be banned in a New York minute.

Well, I suppose one could survive with heavy self-censorship.
And sneak in bits of truth stealthily by feigning innocence and ignorance, like :

"Oh, but I read in XXX encyclical that... "
"How do you reconcile that with XXX ?"
"My traditionalist cousin told me ZZZ! How can this be???"

Of course that would be morally grey if not outright deceitful probably.


Probably almost entirely fruitless too, as I've seen past Doctrine and even Popes and even God (!!!!) being condemned as "intolerant" or "uncharitable" "erroneous" with ease in that cesspit of a forum.


What about, pm'ing the people more obviously in spiritual pain, inviting them to an honest discussion about their issues?

And quite sad.  

The desperation and frustration from the converts transpires from their comments... here's people who thought they were joining the One True Church, often with significant personal/social difficulty, and just now start realising they've just plunged in a nightmarish cage of doublethink, vileness and insanity.

I see that Laramie dipped his toe in the water:
http://forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?s=8b18f74b9dc6577445c45981373a0a30&t=994405&page=8

By the way, Meg --if you're reading-- I will be inviting the most hardcore, anti-trad Conciliarist I know to our High Mass on Easter Sunday, because I happen to know he will be available for that, and I plan on luring him with An Offer Difficult to Refuse.

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I see that Laramie dipped his toe in the water:
http://forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?s=8b18f74b9dc6577445c45981373a0a30&t=994405&page=8

By the way, Meg --if you're reading-- I will be inviting the most hardcore, anti-trad Conciliarist I know to our High Mass on Easter Sunday, because I happen to know he will be available for that, and I plan on luring him with An Offer Difficult to Refuse.

Bless you for what you do, which is quite inspiring. You must be quite a patient person, and persistent!

Patient I am not.  Impatience is one of my worst faults.  However, I am determined and am motivated to cure his blindness -- the blindness being that Tradition is "no longer Catholic."  

I also think -- if he does come, which I admit is a long shot, even though I am being very strategic about the invitation -- he will be blown away by the Confession lines which persist before, during, and after Mass in a continuous stream.  Often they are on both sides of the church, but they are always that long on at least one side.

Who is Laramie if I may ask?

A legend in his own mind.

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I DO NOT have the esteemed editor of the HirschieFiles on ignore--life is too short to pass up such amusement.

Louie Verrhechio has weighed in with his opinion on the subject, and he makes some good points. A few quotes:

"....Look, I don't know if Msgr Pope is correct in saying that the Traditional Latin Mass attendance has reached something of a ceiling, but if it has, who can be surprised?

Whenever and wherever evil and goodness are given equal rights, the fallen human condition is such that men will more often choose the former; he will more frequently than not choose that which is easy, and comfortable, and entertaining over and against that which is truly good--even as doing so renders him great harm.

As Archbishop Lefebvre pointed out in his book, Against the Heresies,"It is easier to do evil than good, it is more in conformity with the disorder in human nature."

In the present case, not only do our sacred pastors treat the Novus Ordo Missae as an equal to the Mass of Ages; they give it pride of place!......"

More here:

https://akacatholic.com/ceiling-made-of-lies/