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Catholic Geocentrist Self-Censored
« Reply #5 on: August 28, 2016, 09:55:27 AM »
Anti-geocentrism must be the official SSPX position from on high now.

Mark79 asked Fr. Riccomini if he could bring Sungenis in for a showing of "The Principle" in Phoenix at OLOS and Fr. Riccomini said no - too controversial.

Catholic Geocentrist Self-Censored
« Reply #6 on: August 28, 2016, 01:57:14 PM »
Good bundle of info from Salsa.


Catholic Geocentrist Self-Censored
« Reply #7 on: August 28, 2016, 04:46:41 PM »
This may have slipped under Salza's deletion radar or Menzingen's line of sight/fire.  In any event, I'm glad this "trace element," if you will, of geocentrism still stands -- for now, anyway -- on his site at 12. Catholic Schools and Science

If it comes down we may be able to gauge the response time of the new and unimproved SSPX's RDT (Rapid Deployment Team).

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12. Catholic Schools and Science

Pete: Dear John, I am a sending my children to Catholic schools. As a Traditional Catholic and Geocentrist, I struggle with the kind of science they teach the children: the earth is millions of years old, it whizzes around the sun at thousands of miles an hour, etc. How do you deal with this issue in your own home?

J. Salza: Peter, we also send our children to Catholic schools. Other than home schooling, it is the only choice. Public schools are among the most corrupt institutions in America and parents are harming their children by sending them to these wolves. Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ has achieved its objective of ridding public schools of God and morality.

Remember, the parents are the primary educators. The parents need to teach the children the faith. Although we send our children to a good Catholic school, I catechize the children myself using traditional catechisms. I prepare our children to receive the sacraments independently of the school to ensure their formation in Catholic orthodoxy.

Regarding science, it is unfortunate that the majority of Catholic schools in this country have bought into the secular status-quo when it comes to teaching our children. We had this same problem. Much of this stems from ignorance. We need to educate the priests and the teachers about what the Church teaches on these matters. To give you an example, below is a letter I sent to my daughter’s teacher concerning Geocentrism:

30 March 2006

Dear Mrs. Bill:

I am writing you to let you know that what we are teaching our daughter about the solar system differs from what you are teaching in the classroom. We are teaching Anna that the earth is the center of the universe and does not move, and that the sun, planets and stars revolve around the earth. This is called the “geocentric” view.

Based on my review of your materials and what my daughter has told me, you are teaching the “heliocentric” theory – that the sun is the center of the solar system and the earth and planets revolve around the sun. Unfortunately, the heliocentric view is taught in the majority of Catholic schools in this country as a fact of science, when it is not. The heliocentric view is only a theory and, based upon Catholic teaching, a false one.

The Sacred Scriptures in many different places teach that the earth does not move (1 Chron 16:30; Psalm 93:1; 96:10; 104:5; 119:90; Job 26:7). The same Scriptures teach that the sun, moon and stars move (Jos 10:12-14; 2 Kgs 20:11; Psalm 19:5-6; Eccl 1:5; Sir 43:5; 46:4; Isa 38:7-8; Hab 3:11). That God created the earth on the first day and the sun on the fourth day also indicates that the sun cannot be the center of the universe (Gen 1:1-4; 14-19).

The early Church Fathers were unanimous in their view of a geocentric universe based upon their interpretation of Scripture (Augustine, Basil, Cassian, Chrysostom, Clement of Rome, Cyril of Jerusalem, Eusebius, Gregory of Nanzianzus, Gregory of Nyssa, Hippolytus, Irenaeus, Jerome, Justin Martyr, etc.). Two Church councils (Trent and Vatican I) dogmatically teach that we are bound to the Fathers’ interpretation of Scripture when they are unanimous.

In light of these biblical and patristic witnesses, three popes (Paul V, Urban VIII and Alexander VII) have issued or approved condemnations of the heliocentric position as “heretical” and “opposed to Scripture.” Since these condemnations have never been revoked, they apply today as forcefully as they applied in the seventeenth century when they were issued. Moreover, scientific evidence favors the geocentric view, and there are many prominent scientists throughout the world who believe in geocentrism.

Therefore, we are teaching our children the geocentric view of the universe. This view especially highlights for children that God made the earth a very special place for the Incarnation of His Son, and that we are dear to Him. If you wish to teach the heliocentric view in the classroom, then it should be presented to the children only as a theory, not a fact. In addition, it makes sense, in light of our Catholic tradition, to teach the children the geocentric model as well.

We hope this information helps you understand any confusion that my daughter may have in your science classroom. Thank you for your understanding. If you would like to discuss this matter further, please do not hesitate to call me at XXX.XXX.XXXX.

God bless you.

John Salza

Catholic Geocentrist Self-Censored
« Reply #8 on: August 29, 2016, 10:14:35 AM »
So, he earns a few points with me for writing the letter to the teacher. That is a big step that, no doubt, makes one very unpopular with their child's school.

However, that makes it even MORE curious that he should now, after cozying up to Bp. Fellay, self-censor this material off of his website.

Catholic Geocentrist Self-Censored
« Reply #9 on: August 29, 2016, 02:56:36 PM »
The SSPX position as of 8-30-2011 -- and I haven't seen or heard anything different since then -- was stated in the following line from a press release of that date as seen here:
PRESS RELEASE FROM USA DISTRICT
PLATTE CITY, MO (8-30-2011) A recent news report implied that the Priestly Society of St. Pius X promotes the scientific theory of geocentrism as a Catholic teaching based upon the Bible. The SSPX holds no such position.

P.S. Speaking of a publicly reported SSPX position, Bp. Fellay, in an obvious attempt to distance the SSPX from Bp. Williamson, reported back in 2009 that Bp. Williamson's position regarding the "h0Ɩ0cαųst" was not that of the SSPX, but as far as I know no official position, if you will, of the SSPX has ever been stated; only implied at best as being that of the Kosher 6 million brand.  But then again, what in the world would the SSPX be doing in having a so called position on that thing called the "h0Ɩ0cαųst" in the first place?!  If the SSPX is supposed to have a position on the "h0Ɩ0cαųst" then where in the world can such a position actually and expressly be found -- in writing?  No doubt, it can't be.   Back around that time Bp. Tissier was asked twice in a Der Spiegel interview what his opinion of the "h0Ɩ0cαųst" was and twice he responded (perhaps, with mental reservation?) that he did not have any opinion concerning same.