What Caminus illustrates is what happens when people try to rectify problems in these groups with cultish tendencies - he heaps abuse on those people, tells people the problems are in their heads - etc - it's what allows the abuses to flourish.  Then the dummies like SS act like useful idiots spreading slander and malicious gossip, often not even having the intelligence to know that they're doing it.

As Ladislaus posted complaining about and quoting Caminus, the poster boy for SSPX behavior:

Hey, loose lips, try responding to what people write once and awhile.  Do you take meds for A.D.D.?  As soon as you start to flirt with making some relevant reference, it seem your attention carries you away on fits of fancy.  Maybe you should get some help with that since attention is necessary to engage in conversation.  Is that why you're unemployed?  Just curious.
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What psychotic delusions!
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It's just too bad your "force" amounts to wet toilet paper.
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I realize you are a poor ignorant fool with very little of substance to say, but at very least, if you are going to compare yourself with Augustine or Bernard, at very least, say something intelligent about your opinions once and awhile. My God, have mercy on your stupidity. I mean come on, go back and read what you've written in the past few weeks. You remind me of a cartoon little man who thinks he's tougher and smarter than he really is. I find it hard to believe anyone could be so deluded. Maybe I'll start calling you Hollywood. Your fantasies are second to none.
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You're starting to sound like Bob and Fred Dimond.  Maybe the Most Unholy Family Monastery is in your future?  
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Another beauty.  No, you nitwit, rhetoric isn't bad when it is used properly.  But it is bad when a man uses it like he is somehow speaking theologically or philosophically or morally.  Are you really that dense?
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You haven't grasped much of anything.  You are so utterly facile and shallow that you can't even respond directly to what I write.
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Really?  Do you have any evidence of that or does it just sound good?  Not only are you an intellectual retard, you seem to possess no real virtue at all, assassinating Catholics left and right when challenged.  Much like a crackhead when he doesn't get his crack.
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You lie with such facility it is really frightening.  Are you some kind of sociopath pretending to be Catholic?
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Like the lunatic that you are, this all revolves around your alleged "cracking the code" while everyone else is the enemy.  "Ha, ha, I've done figured it out, look how smart I am, I even got through all that culture and stuff!" Your posts are like one continuous monologue with the script playing over and over in your head with only minor variations.  
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You are painting yourself in such a manner because you are a blind fool who doesn't no what the hell he is talking about so you have to cover it up with something.  Note the parallels here.  The things you are accusing me of you in fact do with impugnity.  Your lies, your sophistry, your fake beliefs, your pretensious, shallow, vain postings.  It's all coming from you my friend.  It's like a confession of sorts.
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Not surprisingly, you don't understand the point, but pretend to as your ridiculous interpretation demonstrates.  Your extreme arrogance won't allow you to be corrected, nor ask questions.  You've got everybody figured out in that head of yours.  
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Yet more descriptive psychological drivel advanced by the imagination as an apologetic.
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Yes, don't let it wake you from the slumber of your intellect and that pathetic attachment to the fits of your own imagination.  Heaven forbid you for once in your life critique something by means of reason and sound theology.  Yes, that is correct, you think not by reason but by your imagination.  This is not surprising from one who has spent his entire life never ascending past this faculty of mere sense knowledge.  I'm guessing that even your conversion to Roman Catholicism was the fruit not of the intellect, but rather of something coming into conformity with the phantasms in your mind.
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And you demonstrate not only your stupidity, but your bad will as well by insulting and dismissing Catholic doctrine and the teaching of theologians with one sweeping and ignorant statement.
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Your stupidity is breathtaking.
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You have no care for a man's soul, only advancing your petty opinions regardless of virtue.
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Your malice and ignorance is unbelievable.  You really need to get some spiritual help.
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You would be remiss in your duties if you did not buy Cecelia a reading comprehension program and Mike a beginners theology book.
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The answer is simple really, Cecelia lies because she is downright lazy.  This laziness aggravates her ignorance in turn.  Saying these sensational things gets way more play than attempting to think seriously.  

It is sad enough when men become blind due to bitter zeal, but there is something particularly pernicious when ladies turn into ravenous wolves.
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The things you were saying were full of filth and depravity, just like CM and Bob Dimond.  I don't take too kindly to mortal sins against justice and charity.

Here's a newsflash for you -- even if these dramatic stories from some internet guy are true, guess what -- there have been "ѕυιcιdєs [really, ѕυιcιdєs, how many fella?], nervous breakdowns, [and] not to mention the loss of faith" in CATHOLIC CONVENTS AND PARISHES THROUGHOUT HISTORY.  

Yeah, and dishonest, abusive men and women have driven people to those acts.

And as far as the "dishonesty" card or whatever other epithet you may conjure, I see it primarily from you and your fair-weather friend, Raoul.  Not a very convincing crowd.  But you can level every foul name in the book at me and it won't change who you are and what you are one iota.  LOOK IN THE MIRROR.  Everything you say about others here and elsewhere is nothing but a very precise description of YOURSELF.  

No Caminus, you are dishonest, and what I'm saying about you does not describe myself at all.  Typical tu quoque nonsense - with nothing to back it up.  You always make bald assertions without evidence.  In this case, when you posted all the supposed "slanders" (they aren't) you've never been able to refute what I've been saying about the SSPX.  All you can do is resort to personal abuse.  Which is your predilection.  And explains your career choice.

Everyone here knows you need serious help.

The SSPX needs serious correction.  And part of that is that it's disgusting "apologists" need to stop labeling its critics mentally ill.  A cultish tendency.

 

Sorry this thread hasn't helped that cause.  Good luck with all your endeavors.

And some sanctimony to boot.  Another cultish tendency.

SpiritusSanctus said:

Seriously, anyone with half a brain can see that Tele is the slanderer, calling me a dummie. Caminus can be a hothead sometimes, but no one on this forum is more hotheaded than Tele.

I don't think that's slander...

I will just say, Tele's insults don't have the sadistic feeling that Caminus' do.  It is clear he's not in control of his emotions these days and is just lashing back.  In other words, Tele was not prone to name-calling before this incident at his church, but Caminus was, he has always had a bitter and mean way of addressing people.  

I am not saying Tele is entirely a victim.  I took his side at first and then, as was seen, I wondered if he really was as innocent as all that, or if he was blinded by pride to a certain degree.  But I DID see the way the Fisheaters crowd treated him, mocking and railing openly.   So there is at least some truth to what he's saying, though I don't buy that everyone was jealous of him and wanted to persecute him just because he was so good. I think it is his kind of self-involved character and his insistence on seeing things his way and his way only -- a kind of relentless stubborness, Tele deserves the description "ox-like" more than anyone I've ever met -- that makes people want to make fun of him, which of course isn't even remotely Catholic.  

I have seen this cycle before.  Someone has an attitude problem and makes a lot of enemies; then they think that this is because they're a suffering saint or a martyr of some kind, which makes them less inclined to see that part of the problem is themselves.  This can lead to a total descent into self-righteous narcissism where this person thinks they're justified taking on the world.  I would encourage Tele to remember what his dad said to him.  

Tele can be an impossible person, and that is what is leading to his misfortunes.  His self-involvement puts people off and then, in un-Catholic fashion, they rub salt in the wound.  But even if you do try to help, like I have been, he'll accuse you of being condescending or adopting the air of an insufferable wise man...  In other words, you can't win with the guy except by lathering him up and being his underling who agrees with everything he says.  

As for what he's saying about SSPX, if he sticks to theology, then Caminus and others should do what they can to debate him on those terms ( which they can't ).  If he is extrapolating from his personal situation to show that all SSPX priests are malevolent, it is less convincing.

And the rep obsessed Spiritual Sanctus, who cries in pain at every downrate, comes to slander me.  Too bad it's all too common among people who attend SSPX masses.

Tele, not only you're wrong, but your choice of words has made you even MORE wrong.

Spiritus doesn't attend SSPX Masses. Seriously, there is no SSPX chapel near where he lives.

He might be considered a supporter, but that's not what you said.

This reminds me of when you were arguing with Caminus, and started complaining about, "Those ex-seminarians from SSPX seminaries!" even though Caminus never attended an SSPX seminary, and he's the one who inspired your complaint.

Are you totally losing it?

Matthew, thanks for clarifying for me. In fact, I have never attended an SSPX Mass in my life, sadly. Every TLM I've been to has been either FSSP or diocesean. Now I don't even have a TLM to atten period.

Raoul, the definition of a cult would be the Protestant Reformation, or Charlie Manson and his followers. Saying the SSPX is a cult just because a few SSPXers say Tele has issues is like saying that Traditional Catholicism is a cult because some Trads can over-criticize. That isn't logical. In any case, I apologize for calling Tele a narcissist, I will keep such comments to myself from now on.