Author Topic: Calling out Telesphorus (Read 17000 times)

ServusSpiritusSancti · « **Reply #60 on:** October 25, 2011, 03:53:22 PM »

It's not. All I did was ask what that thread about Caminus has to do with this thread.

Thanks for proving that you thumb down my posts without reading them, Tele. I'm through responding to you.

Caminus · « **Reply #61 on:** October 25, 2011, 08:48:16 PM »

An anti-SSPX, slanderous agenda (a thing that should be repugnant to all traditional Catholics) has been exposed and put forth for all to see, yet not the slightest evidence of a repentent conscience has been manifested by the offender, no, on the contrary, we see nothing but pride inflamed, intransigent self-assurance and morose delectation.

ServusSpiritusSancti · « **Reply #62 on:** October 25, 2011, 08:53:36 PM »

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An anti-SSPX, slanderous agenda (a thing that should be repugnant to all traditional Catholics) has been exposed and put forth for all to see, yet not the slightest evidence of a repentent conscience has been manifested by the offender, no, on the contrary, we see nothing but pride inflamed, intransigent self-assurance and morose delectation.

That's called narcissism. Thinking you're always right and never admitting when you're wrong. That is why there is no winning with such people, they always think they're right. I know from personal experience, I know someone in real life who is like this, only worse.

Telesphorus · « **Reply #63 on:** October 25, 2011, 08:53:41 PM »

Quote from: Caminus

An anti-SSPX, slanderous agenda (a thing that should be repugnant to all traditional Catholics) has been exposed and put forth for all to see, yet not the slightest evidence of a repentent conscience has been manifested by the offender, no, on the contrary, we see nothing but pride inflamed, intransigent self-assurance and morose delectation.

It's not slanderous at all. Caminus in his posts shows exactly the sort of things he accuses others of. His persistent habit of insulting, detracting, and dishonestly debating are evident.

Telesphorus · « **Reply #64 on:** October 25, 2011, 08:55:58 PM »

And the rep obsessed Spiritual Sanctus, who cries in pain at every downrate, comes to slander me. Too bad it's all too common among people who attend SSPX masses.

ServusSpiritusSancti · « **Reply #65 on:** October 25, 2011, 08:56:24 PM »

And Tele shows his immaturity by thumbing down my posts without even reading them. He even thumbed me down for saying the Protestant Reformation was a cult. That's why I suggest: read BEFORE you vote.

ServusSpiritusSancti · « **Reply #66 on:** October 25, 2011, 09:00:59 PM »

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And the rep obsessed Spiritual Sanctus, who cries in pain at every downrate, comes to slander me. Too bad it's all too common among people who attend SSPX masses.

Hyperbole.

Everyone should just ignore Tele, he's gotten annoying lately. All he ever does is slander the SSPX. It might be a good idea to ban Tele for two months just to let him cool down if he's going to keep acting like this. See his double standards? He says I slander him, but here he is implying I'm a slanderer for being an SSPXer.

Caminus · « **Reply #67 on:** October 25, 2011, 09:06:30 PM »

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Too bad it's all too common among people who attend SSPX masses.

LOL...yet another example. Unbelievable. Not only is this a logical fallacy, it is grossly unjust. What is wrong with you man?

ServusSpiritusSancti · « **Reply #68 on:** October 25, 2011, 09:07:42 PM »

LOL, I just noticed that Tele called me "SpiritualSanctus". Reminds me of when David Hobson called me "spiritsantified".

Telesphorus · « **Reply #69 on:** October 25, 2011, 09:14:47 PM »

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Too bad it's all too common among people who attend SSPX masses.

LOL...yet another example. Unbelievable. Not only is this a logical fallacy, it is grossly unjust. What is wrong with you man?

Just about anyone with experience can tell people about the way gossips wreak havoc at SSPX chapels. Serial slanderers like Spiritus Sanctus are too dense to even know what they're doing, so it's not surprising. And it's not surprising that the insulting bully boy calls it "unjust" to point out what is common knowledge.

Caminus · « **Reply #70 on:** October 25, 2011, 09:26:12 PM »

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It's not slanderous at all. Caminus in his posts shows exactly the sort of things he accuses others of. His persistent habit of insulting, detracting, and dishonestly debating are evident.

And this demonstrates a seriously blunted conscience. The only thing that is evident is that you have lost all comprehension of reality. This isn't a debate friend (just like a catechism class isn't a debate forum), this is a thread that was created to warn you of a serious problem, that you are consumed with hatred which blinds you. Being blind you cannot see, you have to trust others in this matter, not yourself.

If a CMRI priest treated me badly, or possessed some bad quality, I wouldn't dare start defaming the entire organization. Your silly logic is precisely the same used by enemies and detractors of the Catholic Church itself to discount and insult it because of bad priests within its ranks.

In fact, several years ago, an FSSP priest refused to baptize one of our daughters because the God parents attended our SSPX chapel back home. He claimed that our marriage was invalid as well. It took all of my energy to restrain myself from grabbing him by the vestments and taking him outside. Now should I start a slanderous campaign against the FSSP?

Your thought process is paralyzed because of several factors as well, i.e. emotion, categorical confusion, sweeping generalizations, the inability to make prudent casuistical judgments in the practical, concrete order and other logical fallacies. You feel the need to draw from one incident, to start from one small fact or piece of information, distorted or not, and start implicating this or that into one grand scheme as the process continues, it's called "movie script" thinking, Raoul has a very bad habit of this. Not surprisingly, in this imaginary play that is so convincing in your mind, you alone are the shining star. At base it's an inductive fallacy involving a series of bad inferences.

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And it's not surprising that the insulting bully boy calls it "unjust" to point out what is common knowledge.

The question is what is all too common among SSPX goers? Where does the injustice come into play? Your answer? Slander. So slander is "all too common comong SSPX goers"? Is that a fact, eh? What say yea, SSPX goers, are you all too common a bunch of slanderers?

Telesphorus · « **Reply #71 on:** October 25, 2011, 09:27:15 PM »

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When did these school problems start? They didn't have them in the 1990s. Instead, they had massive problems with a certain group of traditionals who can be compared to vipers. That's the kindest word i can think of at the moment.

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The SUPERIORS have been contacted, met with, spoken too, many times over the years, with no results. Like I posted earlier these shows were mild, they could have been a lot worse, but if this reaches the outside world, then you are going to see a sh*t storm like no other hit the press. These idiots, not me, are giving the enemies of The Church fresh meat to hit us over the head with. Consider a few of the facts

When I moved here my son’s class at ICA had over 20 students in it, the grade below had over 20 also, now in those two grades,( they are Juniors and Seniors today) there are a total of 6 students !!! Three in each grade!! That means out of like 40 families only 6 make the grade?? The other 34 families are a bunch of liberals that need to be thrown out?? Ask yourself a question, what happens to all those children and families??

I know of a first grader who was thrown out with no explanation. When the Father approached the SUPERIOR he was never told why his son was expelled, not even the teacher knew why. He has written several letters that went unanswered.

At the girls school, St Dominic’s, is much, much worse. The ratios of graduation are ridiculous, and the pressure on the girls is unspeakable. There have been ѕυιcιdєs, nervous breakdowns, not to mention the loss of faith.

Emma was a very mild case also, she actually made it through. I’ve spoken to many young girls and boys who left the Faith because of their experiences. Let me tell you it is gut wrenching.

I have offered on here, to have critics speak to the people interviewed on a show to bring up their objections, but not one person came forward!! All this bravado, but as soon as a light is shown on them they run like the cockroaches they are.

I’m sorry buddy, but I can’t just stand by and watch good Catholic families, who wanted to give their children a Traditional upbringing, get crushed by a small group of control freaks. One day one of these families are going to contact a lawyer and all of our chapels are going to be under the micro scope. If the authorities investigate there will be Nuns and Priests going to jail for child abuse. They will not have the power of The Vatican to protect them, like in the Homo scandals of the NO. Plus the modernists in the Church will have a field day with this, I’m sure they are aware of the situation already, they may be giving us enough rope so we can hang ourselves.

Plus isn’t this way of “sweeping it under the rug” attitude is what destroyed The Church to begin with?? When the liturgy was changed, teaching changed, children sɛҳuąƖly abused, homos in the seminaries, modernist Bishops, we were are told to shut up, write your superiors if you have a problem , offer it up.......all the while children were being raped, along with the peoples faith.

What is sad is how easily this can be rectified, and what a great place Post Falls can be!! Most Catholics would gladly suffer poverty if they knew that their children were being spiritually fed. Where is this meanness, and disorder coming from? Is it the lack of authority? Pride? I can’t put my finger on it.

So if you want to call me names go ahead, I’ve seen your type before, and I have very little tolerance for your girly b.s. If you live here in the Northwest just email me and we can settle this face to face, I have no problem with that at all. Or I’ll be back East soon enough if you live there also. Your choice.

Telesphorus · « **Reply #72 on:** October 25, 2011, 09:31:02 PM »

What I experienced is widely corroborated by ample testimony from various sources. My criticism of the SSPX stems from the behavior of its leadership. I do think that behavior does explain in part the way so many people are badly treated in SSPX chapels. And even on this forum, where the slanderers and bully boys start piling on when they see that the SSPX is justly criticized for its very grave deficiencies.

Telesphorus · « **Reply #73 on:** October 25, 2011, 09:34:13 PM »

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This isn't a debate friend (just like a catechism class isn't a debate forum),

This catechism class was framed around mock debates. You really do seem to have serious problem with reading comprehension. In speaking of your dishonest debating tactics, I am only pointing out something that is widely observed by others on this forum. The FACT that YOU ARE DISHONEST is not slander. And it's your problem.

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The question is what is all too common among SSPX goers? Where does the injustice come into play? Your answer? Slander. So slander is "all too common comong SSPX goers"? Is that a fact, eh? What say yea, SSPX goers, are you all too common a bunch of slanderers?

That's right, and it's in evidence on this very forum.

Caminus · « **Reply #74 on:** October 25, 2011, 09:35:45 PM »

Truly pathetic. You rely on the quote of a disgruntled man whose story telling was confronted and found wanting? Who was obsessed with a young girl. Sure there's a few of you emotional types out there with an axe to grind. Probably just as many imperfect priests in the SSPX. There's always two sides to the story which you can't comprehend in your delusions. Go ahead, keep trying to justify yourself.

You snip out the inconvenient portions of my replies, how DISHONEST of you! Keep using the same logic of the enemies of the Church -- soon, if not already, you will become one yourself.