Author Topic: Bishop Follows Popes Example: Kneeling Only (Read 2562 times)

Augstine Baker · « **Reply #10 on:** January 01, 2012, 02:16:38 AM »

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Bishop Follows Pope Benedict's Example: Kneeling Only
(Brasilia) Bishop Msgr Antonio Keller, of German descent, head shepherd of the southern Brazilian Diocese Frederico Westphalen is only giving Holy Communion since Christmas in his Cathedral church to those who are kneeling and on the tongue. He is following the example of Pope Benedict XVI in this and is intending to support the "reform of the reform".

http://eponymousflower.blogspot.com/2011/12/bishop-follows-pope-benedicts-example.html

Since BXVI has said communion standing in the hand is completely legitimate also, why in the world does it matter? Then if the next Pope gives communion in the hand, will Bishop Keller follow suit?

Yes, maybe we should just do away with the office, or at least the person in the office so we don't have to worry about it.

Stay at home and dream of the perfect Catholicism only.

s2srea · « **Reply #11 on:** January 01, 2012, 08:41:02 AM »

Quote from: Sigismund

So, am I to conclude that being a trad means that even when the pope does something you approve of, you have to find some way to be annoyed by it? Glad to be a lowly semi-trad then...

How about being able to see hypocrisy and not being fooled into thinking every little good thing the pope does is as worthy of praise as you might wish. If his actions were perfectly 'good', then they would be completely supported by other 'good' actions.

This bishop- is he trying his best? I would say yes. Of course we don't know the man, but we know enough to be able to compare him to other liberal and anti-Godly bishops to know this is a positive. He is probably good willed, as people in the NO are not to be thought of as bad. However, you, who has been graced with Tradition, should be able to see where these trads are coming from. They also, are not bad willed.

Trads who seem to harp on, or who are "annoyed by", isolated actions which are good and traditional, don't do it for the sake of being mean and nasty Sigi. They do it trying to see the big picture.

When you go out to buy a car, do you only point out the fact that it drove rather comfortably when you test drove it, or do you look at a Consumers Reports guide to see its reliability? Would you give the same credibility to a Daewoo as you would to a Mercedes?

Augstine Baker · « **Reply #12 on:** January 01, 2012, 11:34:15 AM »

Quote from: s2srea

Quote from: Sigismund
So, am I to conclude that being a trad means that even when the pope does something you approve of, you have to find some way to be annoyed by it? Glad to be a lowly semi-trad then...

How about being able to see hypocrisy and not being fooled into thinking every little good thing the pope does is as worthy of praise as you might wish. If his actions were perfectly 'good', then they would be completely supported by other 'good' actions.

This bishop- is he trying his best? I would say yes. Of course we don't know the man, but we know enough to be able to compare him to other liberal and anti-Godly bishops to know this is a positive. He is probably good willed, as people in the NO are not to be thought of as bad. However, you, who has been graced with Tradition, should be able to see where these trads are coming from. They also, are not bad willed.

Trads who seem to harp on, or who are "annoyed by", isolated actions which are good and traditional, don't do it for the sake of being mean and nasty Sigi. They do it trying to see the big picture.

When you go out to buy a car, do you only point out the fact that it drove rather comfortably when you test drove it, or do you look at a Consumers Reports guide to see its reliability? Would you give the same credibility to a Daewoo as you would to a Mercedes?

How about letting things speak for themselves. I've watched Novus Ordo Watch and "Father" Moderator get it wrong time and again on everything from Summorum Pontificuм, to the reconciliation with Campos and Institute of the Good Shepherd.

It doesn't matter what this Pope does, you're going to assume the worst every time.

Sigismund · « **Reply #13 on:** January 01, 2012, 07:29:39 PM »

I see that the Holy Father expects people to kneel for Communion at his Mass. I see another bishop doing the same thing. Of course they are not perfectly good. Only two people in history have been, and One of them had the benefit of being God.

I am not an unqualified fan of this pope, if for no other reason that I think his handling of the sɛҳuąƖ abuse crisis had been shameful. But I am an unqualified fan of kneeling to receive Our Lord, and I will happily praise anyone who does this, on either side of the Communion rial.

ServusSpiritusSancti · « **Reply #14 on:** January 01, 2012, 08:53:37 PM »

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Reception of Communion in the hand is not intrinsically evil or sacrilegious as it was practiced in the ancient Church, even if it was not the majority practice. If CITH is intrinsically sacrilegious or evil then the Church defected long ago.

Incorrect. CITH was practiced in the very early days of the Church, but even then they used a cloth over their hand when receiving the Eucharist. Eventually, the Church ruled that CITH was evil and should never again be practiced.