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Offline MaterDominici

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Are we speaking English here??
« Reply #5 on: July 17, 2007, 01:14:14 AM »
Quote from: Cletus
Well, we must have run in different Novus Ordo circles. EVERYONE who was any kind of involved Catholic at all knew the word "schismatic" back in '76 and '77 when the case of Archbishop "Lefebruh" was all the rage in the Catholic papers and in sermons and at choir rehearsals and Holy Name meetings. I was thinking of people I know who are from my generation (boomer) and older.


Ah, well there's the problem! I wasn't even alive yet!  :smirk: (After all, my profile clearly says I was born in 2006!)

Quote from: Cletus
But my main point is that from the point of view of the normal Catholic who is AS Catholic as the pope (and is free to regret his Motu Proprio for Vatican II-type reasons that are as Catholic as at least one pope, Paul VI) Traditionalists are not the ones who are in any position to be finding offensive or inoffensive ways to describe them. They don't see how THEY need to be "described." THEY are the Catholics pure and simple. THEY are simply going along as good Catholics with His Holiness and their local ordinaries and the pastors of their souls, whatever qualms they might have now and then about liturgical changes or Catholic Ed trends.



So, then, perhaps we can't get away with calling the NO sort anything but simply Catholic in conversation with them. Do you consider it rude or name calling to use the term NO Catholic in conversation with other Trads when referring to someone who factually attends the new rite of Mass?

Are we speaking English here??
« Reply #6 on: July 17, 2007, 03:21:42 AM »
Quote from: MaterDominici

So, then, perhaps we can't get away with calling the NO sort anything but simply Catholic in conversation with them.


But if they aren't Catholic, why would you do that? I understand the unique problem. These are not Lutherans, nor let's say Anglicans, claiming to be Catholic. They know the term, Anglican, or Episcopalean. They may try to use, Catholic, but they understand, perhaps, the history of the Church of England.

What you have, here, is an apostate Church. When that occurs, the Church becomes something else. Even as an heretical Church, Catholics never historically had a problem identifying those who WISHED to be called Roman Catholic, as something else - such as Arian.

You can examine the writings of Athanasius, for example. His complaint is not with Roman Catholics. His complaint is with Arians. But who were these Arians? Where were the found? And so on for various heresies.

Consider the history, here.

I don't like bringing these questions down to the level of a 'practical matter'. But you'd be surprised, as a 'practical matter', how dissatisfied some of the most supportitive parishioners of these Roman Protestant parishes are. If you say to them, this is Roman Protestantism, and do it face to face, you might discover surprising agreement. Even without prompting, they themselves may begin to describe the latest songs, the ad hoc innovations, the utter irreverence with the word - Protestant. I've seen this, myself. And I just can't see how truth is served, or how others are served who need to be, by a political correctness that is a great distance from any legitimate concerns for simple courtesy. People very much appreciate honesty. You have to give these folks some credit for being able to appreciate their situation, and how messed up it is. They see all this stuff, too. I think Catholics, perhaps some, tend to forget that.


Are we speaking English here??
« Reply #7 on: July 18, 2007, 08:18:05 PM »
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Ah, well there's the problem! I wasn't even alive yet!   (After all, my profile clearly says I was born in 2006!)


 :roll-laugh1:  I'm sorry, but I continue to find this so amusing.  

Dust, I think you have to talk to the older NO's to hear discontent like that.  The younger ones don't seem to have a clue, in my experience.