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Offline Ladislaus

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America Needs Fatima/TFP
« Reply #35 on: May 28, 2014, 09:43:26 AM »
Cardinal Alfons Stickler:

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It was a surprise to receive your letter presenting certain slanderous voices against the TFP as a novelty--as if I were not sufficiently informed.  Actually I am very much aware of such gossip.  Moreover, I have also known the TFP representatives here in Rome very well for nearly two decades.

Before demonstrating any support for the TFP I investigated with extreme care and diligence the basis of rumors against it.  I found no proofs to corroborate such whisper campaigns.  At the same time, the TFP has always answered such accusations convincingly.  Mention of such refutations in your letter is conspicuously absent.

Allow me to give you an example of such baseless attacks.  A year ago I was arduously solicited by a Spanish lady to pronounce myself against the TFP in light of one of these "family cases" that you mention in your letter.  The fact is that the TFP member, against whom she had opened a lawsuit, won the court case hands down.  Not only was the judge's decision clear, but a certain ecclesiastical authority that had heedlessly supported the attack against the TFP subsequently lost his position.

In addition, the disgrunteld families--a phenomenon not uncommon in the past with many Catholic Orders, Congregations or Groups, and which continues still today--are a very small part of the families who have sons in the TFP.

Based on my scrutiny of the person of Prof. Plinio Correa de Oliveira and his work, after his death I was pleased to celebrate a Solemn Requiem Mass in Santo Spirito in Sassia near the Vatican for the repose of his soul.

With no less pleasure I wrote the preface to Prof. Roberto de Mattei's biography of Prof. Plinio Correa de Oliveira, Il crociato del secolo XX.  Prof. de Mattei, besides docuмenting his work abundantly, had a personal relationship with Prof. Correa de Oliveira for more than twenty years, visiting him in Brazil many times.  It is my hope that this work, already published in Italy and France, be also printed in the United States.  Both the author and I have received compliments for it from ecclesiastical authorities.

This hearsay of which you speak does not surprise me.  If you know the story of St. John Bosco well, you certainly are aware of the numerous unjust and baseless criticisms he and his work had to endure.  As have many other benevolent figures and groups in the Church.  The same goes for Plinio Correa de Oliveira and his work.

But what really leaves me bewildered and sad is that such false witness takes place in circles that should be united and concentrated on the defense of our great common cause of the Church, rather than wasting energies thus.

America Needs Fatima/TFP
« Reply #36 on: May 29, 2014, 01:58:04 AM »
Father Bolduc warned me about the TFP when I asked him about it. If my memory properly serves me, he also described it as a cult.

Regarding the "litany," it's been cited here before in other threads by others. I'm sorry if that was just a joke written by a couple of disrespectful students.

Ladislaus, friend here. No need to throw ad hominems at me.

Father Bolduc was a saintly man, and if he thought they were rotten, then it's a pretty good bet, considering how knowledgable he was, and how many, many people he knew, that he was being honest, and I'd lean towards what he said on the matter.

Others that had dealings with told me that if you didn't have any money to give them, you were basically fodder to them. If you were rich, however, they'd do anything they could to get your money.

Father Bolduc warned us about, as well as a couple people that had close dealings with them, including one man who had a vocation, but due to the anti-clerical attitude of the TFP, he ended up basically being one of their slaves and being too old to join an order once he woke up and figured out what their real agenda is. Anytime someone would put anything in the back of Church that was theirs (which people would have to get his permission to put back there, and usually didn't if it were from TFP) he would toss it right into the garbage bin.

I maintain that they're a cult, and I won't back down on that much, but the litany I was unaware was a spoof. Knowing what I know about the TFP, it seemed plausable enough and I do apologize for believing that it was actually something they believed and not a spoof like it is. But, now I know, and thanks for bringing that to my attention. It still doesn't change what I already know about them.

Also, you read some of their agendas, they're neo-cons, and it's actually sickening to me some of the stupidity of the stuff they put out. Here are some examples.

https://www.americaneedsfatima.org/America-Needs-Fatima/protests-public-blasphemy.html

These pant-clad ladies in the pictures here, are from the TFP. They're not traditional by any stretch of the imagination, except that they still believe in Fatima, which is not uncommon for many novus ordo-ites.


Here's what the novus ordo bishops are saying about them  

https://www.americaneedsfatima.org/America-Needs-Fatima/group-a-clergy.html

Sending commendations to George W Bush and John Ashcroft?

http://www.tfp.org/current-campaigns/2001/letters-of-commendation-sent.html

The ones performing the great "psywar" as they put it, is the CIA and their buddies, and the radical Islamists are being trained and used by OUR government, but the TFP thinks otherwise:

http://www.tfp.org/current-campaigns/2001/tfp-analyzes-a-psywar-against-order.html

"We are not hated for our defects but for our qualities."

Boy they're really towing the line here.

http://www.tfp.org/current-campaigns/2001/the-american-tfp-statement-decries-qcowardly-acts-of-terrorismq.html

Come on,  :stare: I know enough about them to know what they're about. I'm not "being stupid."




America Needs Fatima/TFP
« Reply #37 on: May 29, 2014, 04:13:17 AM »
Quote from: parentsfortruth
Father Bolduc warned me about the TFP when I asked him about it. If my memory properly serves me, he also described it as a cult.

Regarding the "litany," it's been cited here before in other threads by others. I'm sorry if that was just a joke written by a couple of disrespectful students.

Ladislaus, friend here. No need to throw ad hominems at me.

Father Bolduc was a saintly man, and if he thought they were rotten, then it's a pretty good bet, considering how knowledgable he was, and how many, many people he knew, that he was being honest, and I'd lean towards what he said on the matter.

Others that had dealings with told me that if you didn't have any money to give them, you were basically fodder to them. If you were rich, however, they'd do anything they could to get your money.

Father Bolduc warned us about, as well as a couple people that had close dealings with them, including one man who had a vocation, but due to the anti-clerical attitude of the TFP, he ended up basically being one of their slaves and being too old to join an order once he woke up and figured out what their real agenda is. Anytime someone would put anything in the back of Church that was theirs (which people would have to get his permission to put back there, and usually didn't if it were from TFP) he would toss it right into the garbage bin.

I maintain that they're a cult, and I won't back down on that much, but the litany I was unaware was a spoof. Knowing what I know about the TFP, it seemed plausable enough and I do apologize for believing that it was actually something they believed and not a spoof like it is. But, now I know, and thanks for bringing that to my attention. It still doesn't change what I already know about them.

Also, you read some of their agendas, they're neo-cons, and it's actually sickening to me some of the stupidity of the stuff they put out. Here are some examples.

https://www.americaneedsfatima.org/America-Needs-Fatima/protests-public-blasphemy.html

These pant-clad ladies in the pictures here, are from the TFP. They're not traditional by any stretch of the imagination, except that they still believe in Fatima, which is not uncommon for many novus ordo-ites.


Here's what the novus ordo bishops are saying about them  

https://www.americaneedsfatima.org/America-Needs-Fatima/group-a-clergy.html

Sending commendations to George W Bush and John Ashcroft?

http://www.tfp.org/current-campaigns/2001/letters-of-commendation-sent.html

The ones performing the great "psywar" as they put it, is the CIA and their buddies, and the radical Islamists are being trained and used by OUR government, but the TFP thinks otherwise:

http://www.tfp.org/current-campaigns/2001/tfp-analyzes-a-psywar-against-order.html

"We are not hated for our defects but for our qualities."

Boy they're really towing the line here.

http://www.tfp.org/current-campaigns/2001/the-american-tfp-statement-decries-qcowardly-acts-of-terrorismq.html

Come on,  :stare: I know enough about them to know what they're about. I'm not "being stupid."





What you said allows me to understand more about you, not anything else.

America Needs Fatima/TFP
« Reply #38 on: May 29, 2014, 04:26:31 AM »
Quote from: Ladislaus
Cardinal Alfons Stickler:

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It was a surprise to receive your letter presenting certain slanderous voices against the TFP as a novelty--as if I were not sufficiently informed.  Actually I am very much aware of such gossip.  Moreover, I have also known the TFP representatives here in Rome very well for nearly two decades.

Before demonstrating any support for the TFP I investigated with extreme care and diligence the basis of rumors against it.  I found no proofs to corroborate such whisper campaigns.  At the same time, the TFP has always answered such accusations convincingly.  Mention of such refutations in your letter is conspicuously absent.

Allow me to give you an example of such baseless attacks.  A year ago I was arduously solicited by a Spanish lady to pronounce myself against the TFP in light of one of these "family cases" that you mention in your letter.  The fact is that the TFP member, against whom she had opened a lawsuit, won the court case hands down.  Not only was the judge's decision clear, but a certain ecclesiastical authority that had heedlessly supported the attack against the TFP subsequently lost his position.

In addition, the disgrunteld families--a phenomenon not uncommon in the past with many Catholic Orders, Congregations or Groups, and which continues still today--are a very small part of the families who have sons in the TFP.

Based on my scrutiny of the person of Prof. Plinio Correa de Oliveira and his work, after his death I was pleased to celebrate a Solemn Requiem Mass in Santo Spirito in Sassia near the Vatican for the repose of his soul.

With no less pleasure I wrote the preface to Prof. Roberto de Mattei's biography of Prof. Plinio Correa de Oliveira, Il crociato del secolo XX.  Prof. de Mattei, besides docuмenting his work abundantly, had a personal relationship with Prof. Correa de Oliveira for more than twenty years, visiting him in Brazil many times.  It is my hope that this work, already published in Italy and France, be also printed in the United States.  Both the author and I have received compliments for it from ecclesiastical authorities.

This hearsay of which you speak does not surprise me.  If you know the story of St. John Bosco well, you certainly are aware of the numerous unjust and baseless criticisms he and his work had to endure.  As have many other benevolent figures and groups in the Church.  The same goes for Plinio Correa de Oliveira and his work.

But what really leaves me bewildered and sad is that such false witness takes place in circles that should be united and concentrated on the defense of our great common cause of the Church, rather than wasting energies thus.



Thank you for the post.
Besides Cardinal Stickler, there are many other priests who praised the publications of TFP--
Archbishop Nienstedt, Cardinal Estevez, Bishop R de la Barra, etc.

Offline Ladislaus

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America Needs Fatima/TFP
« Reply #39 on: May 29, 2014, 05:42:14 AM »
Quote from: parentsfortruth
Father Bolduc warned me about the TFP when I asked him about it. If my memory properly serves me, he also described it as a cult.


Well, my guess is that Father Bolduc heard and read the same stuff that's been out there.