Author Topic: Abortion and the h0Ɩ0cαųst (Read 4125 times)

Belloc · « **Reply #15 on:** September 20, 2012, 02:41:32 PM »

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Actually, defective people are morally good for society. They give others a sense of perspective, and encourage virtue.

So you would give one your job?

Do you think it is permissible to do evil, that good may come of it?

(For example: aborting "defectives", so that your job will be more secure.)

not sure why the job question was asked.....

Belloc · « **Reply #16 on:** September 20, 2012, 02:42:23 PM »

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What were the Americans and British doing? They did wholesale city bombing of innocents.

Ah yes forgot to add that Eisenhower starved 1 million German POWs.

Never heard of that one. What is your source?

I heard about the starvation and murders of Germans from my grandfather when I was a wee lad in the 70's, he served in the navy 1944-1945 and worked some w/OSS

Belloc · « **Reply #17 on:** September 20, 2012, 02:44:46 PM »

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If one is against abortion for "pne's own kind" but in favour of it for others, then one is not against abortion.

From Mein Kampf Volume I, Chapter 10:

"The demand that defective people be prevented from propagating equally defective offspring is a demand of the clearest reason and if systematically executed represents the most humane act of mankind...The passing pain of a century will redeem milleniums from suffering."

From Mein Kampf Volume II, Chapter 2:

"It must let it be known that it is no disgrace, but only a misfortune deserving of pity to be sick and weakly, but it is a crime, and hence a disgrace to to dishonor one's misfortune by one's own selfish egotism in burdening the innocent generations with it; it is much better that the innocently sick, renouncing a child of his own, bestows his love and tenderness upon a poor, unknown young scion of his own nationality."

Is that magisterial?

Are you seriously presenting that as a justification??

Am I meant to read that and think, "Ah yes, now I see! Abortion of defectives is a good thing!"?

Actually, defective people are morally good for society. They give others a sense of perspective, and encourage virtue.

On the other hand, fostering the desire to eliminate them is bad for society.

"Whatsoever you do to the least of My brethren, you do to Me."

Perhaps, Clare, he should instead busy himself reading the great sermons of Bishop von Galen http://www.euthanasia.com/galen.html

Belloc · « **Reply #18 on:** September 20, 2012, 02:48:31 PM »

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If one is against abortion for "pne's own kind" but in favour of it for others, then one is not against abortion.

From Mein Kampf Volume I, Chapter 10:

"The demand that defective people be prevented from propagating equally defective offspring is a demand of the clearest reason and if systematically executed represents the most humane act of mankind...The passing pain of a century will redeem milleniums from suffering."

From Mein Kampf Volume II, Chapter 2:

"It must let it be known that it is no disgrace, but only a misfortune deserving of pity to be sick and weakly, but it is a crime, and hence a disgrace to to dishonor one's misfortune by one's own selfish egotism in burdening the innocent generations with it; it is much better that the innocently sick, renouncing a child of his own, bestows his love and tenderness upon a poor, unknown young scion of his own nationality."

Is that magisterial?

Are you seriously presenting that as a justification??

Am I meant to read that and think, "Ah yes, now I see! Abortion of defectives is a good thing!"?

Actually, defective people are morally good for society. They give others a sense of perspective, and encourage virtue.

On the other hand, fostering the desire to eliminate them is bad for society.

"Whatsoever you do to the least of My brethren, you do to Me."

Perhaps, Clare, he should instead busy himself reading the great sermons of Bishop von Galen http://www.euthanasia.com/galen.html

http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php?a=topic&t=20640

clare · « **Reply #19 on:** September 20, 2012, 02:56:52 PM »

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Actually, defective people are morally good for society. They give others a sense of perspective, and encourage virtue.

So you would give one your job?

Do you think it is permissible to do evil, that good may come of it?

(For example: aborting "defectives", so that your job will be more secure.)

not sure why the job question was asked.....

He always brings up having to lose one's job to a lesser mortal!

nadieimportante · « **Reply #20 on:** September 20, 2012, 03:02:43 PM »

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For a quick-start: http://en.metapedia.org/wiki/Rheinwiesenlager

P.S. Metapedia is not my favorite source because they're not Catholic, but for any historical or political question it's about 6 million times better than Jєωιѕн Wikipedia. So at least a good start.

OK, thanks, you learn something every day.

Was watching the BBC's World at War docuмentary and it said the 1.5 million German soldiers died in prisoner of war camps. If the USA camps caused to die close to a million as your link says, then the Russian number is very likely way lower than the reality, no?

Belloc · « **Reply #21 on:** September 20, 2012, 03:07:07 PM »

Russian equally, or more, barbaric....they never released nor returned prisoners, at least, too many of them......their wholesale slaughter and raping, pillaging was horrendous.

Belloc · « **Reply #22 on:** September 20, 2012, 03:07:39 PM »

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Actually, defective people are morally good for society. They give others a sense of perspective, and encourage virtue.

So you would give one your job?

Do you think it is permissible to do evil, that good may come of it?

(For example: aborting "defectives", so that your job will be more secure.)

not sure why the job question was asked.....

He always brings up having to lose one's job to a lesser mortal!

wow, how Randian/Libertarian of him....

nadieimportante · « **Reply #23 on:** September 20, 2012, 03:11:27 PM »

Quote from: Ethelred

For a quick-start: http://en.metapedia.org/wiki/Rheinwiesenlager

P.S. Metapedia is not my favorite source because they're not Catholic, but for any historical or political question it's about 6 million times better than Jєωιѕн Wikipedia. So at least a good start.

CORRECTION:
OK, thanks, you learn something every day.

Was watching the BBC's World at War docuмentary and it said the 1.5 million German soldiers died in prisoner of war camps in Russia. If the USA camps caused to die close to a million as your link says, then the 1.5 million Russian number is very likely way lower than the reality, no?

Traditional Guy 20 · « **Reply #24 on:** September 20, 2012, 03:14:27 PM »

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Is that all you think about??

I wouldn't want someone who took my job to be killed. Would you?

I don't believe in euthanasia however neither do I believe the retarded should get a job over me.

Do you believe in the death penalty.

Traditional Guy 20 · « **Reply #25 on:** September 20, 2012, 03:16:52 PM »

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He always brings up having to lose one's job to a lesser mortal!

You can thank the good old sɛҳuąƖ revolution, liberating you women to 'go' with any man, to the long lines outside the psychiatrist's office.

alaric · « **Reply #26 on:** September 20, 2012, 03:17:33 PM »

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I noticed on the Youth Defence Facebook page.

http://www.facebook.com/YouthDefence
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Marion Murphy Ray the final 'solution' for Hitler was to eliminate Jews, Eastern Europeans & what he defined as undesireables by gasing & abortion. The Pro-aborts have the exact same mindset.2 hours ago

The comment was liked by 7 people. One includes 'Youth Defence'. I realise a number of individuals maintain the Facebook page but the above comment is filled with error and false information. I can allow for lack of knowledge/awareness to a degree but people need to make themselves aware of the truth. The comment above is total rubbish.For one thing Hitler was a man who encouraged large families and was against abortion.I commend YD for their great work since 1992 but these type of comments show total ignorance.

The fact an official YD person liked it suggests it is an official position in relation to the 'h0Ɩ0cαųst'. Again we see Hitler depicted as the devil incarnate yet sloppy emotive comment about gas chambers and the final solution. The German word is very clear.

I don't use Facebook but perhaps those who do might point out their error.There is some literature available.

The recently published book Hitler Democrat is good. It was written by Degrelle and the Barnes Review recently published it.

Ironically the Jews lead the abortion industry and consider all non-Jews as "lesser human beings". Jєωιѕн abortionists have no problem snuffing out goy babies with a clear conscience.

The Hitler thing is way over the top as usual, I don't think 2 percent of the population these days has any idea of what NS Germany was all about due in part to two generations of thorough "h0Ɩ0cαųst" indoctrination.

I think they need to just declare Hitler "Satan" and get it over with already. :rolleyes:

Traditional Guy 20 · « **Reply #27 on:** September 20, 2012, 03:18:18 PM »

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Perhaps, Clare, he should instead busy himself reading the great sermons of Bishop von Galen http://www.euthanasia.com/galen.html

Oh I'm sorry I didn't realize that reading Mein Kampf made me a nαzι. :rolleyes:

Traditional Guy 20 · « **Reply #28 on:** September 20, 2012, 03:19:26 PM »

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not sure why the job question was asked.....

Because of the sympathy one sees on here of the retarded perhaps?

clare · « **Reply #29 on:** September 20, 2012, 03:20:11 PM »

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Is that all you think about??

I wouldn't want someone who took my job to be killed. Would you?

I don't believe in euthanasia however neither do I believe the retarded should get a job over me.

That has nothing to do with the thread though. It's about abortion (and the big H) so why bring up employment??

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Do you believe in the death penalty.

Yes, for people guilty of serious crimes.

Not for innocent "defective" people.