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Offline gladius_veritatis

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Re: What to make of Alois Irlmaier
« Reply #15 on: October 21, 2025, 04:12:07 PM »
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  • I came across an interesting passage in Jone the other day about the general rules of the Index of Forbidden Books. There are general categories of various types of books that are automatically on the list even without being listed, and one of the categories was "books that publish new apparitions, revelations or devotions".

    What purported apparition, revelation or devotion is involved?

    Do you believe the works of men like Yves duPont -- https://www.marianland.com/tan0414/0105.html -- are, therefore, published and disseminated in violation of this rule?  Has every single outlet throughout Traddieland been violating this rule all these years? 

    Is it possible you are misunderstanding and, therefore, incorrectly applying said rule to this topic?
    "Fear God, and keep His commandments: for this is all man."

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    Re: What to make of Alois Irlmaier
    « Reply #16 on: October 21, 2025, 06:04:07 PM »
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  • Let's see. This is based on Canon 1398 of the 1917 code of canon law. Here is the canon in full:



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    Canon 1398 (NA)
    § 1. The prohibition of books brings it about that the book cannot be published, read, retained,
    sold, translated into another language, or in any other way communicated to others without
    necessary permission.
    § 2. A book that in any manner is prohibited cannot once again be brought out unless, the
    corrections having been made, permission is given by him who prohibited the book, or by his
    Superior or successor.
    Canon 139916 (NA) Cross-Ref.: 1917 CIC 1400
    By the law, [the following] are prohibited:
    1.° Original text editions or ancient versions of Catholic sacred Scripture, even of the
    Oriental Church, published by any non-Catholic; and likewise versions [of these], in
    any language, by these [same sort] prepared or published;
    2.° Books of any writers propagating heresy or schism, or attacking in any way the basis
    of religion;
    3.° Books by design striking against religion and good morals;
    4.° Books by any non-Catholics treating purposely of religion, unless it can be shown
    that nothing contained in them is contrary to the Catholic faith;
    5.° Books mentioned in Canon 1385, § 1, n. 1, and Canon 1391; likewise all those
    mentioned in the cited Canon 1385, § 1, n. 2, [and] books and booklets that describe
    new apparitions, revelations, visions, prophecies, and miracles, or that lead to new
    devotions, even under the pretext of being private, if they have not been published
    in accord with the prescriptions of the canons;
    6.° Books attacking or deriding any Catholic dogma, or protecting errors proscribed by
    the Holy See, or detracting from divine cult, or arguing for the avoidance of
    ecclesiastical discipline, or bringing about opprobrium on religion or the clerical
    state;
    7.° Books that teach or recommend superstition in general, sorcery, divination, magic,
    evoking of spirits, and other things of this sort;
    8.° Books that argue the liceity of dueling, ѕυιcιdє, or divorce, and those that in
    discussing masonic sects and other societies of this sort argue that they are useful
    and not pernicious to the Church and civil society;
    9.° Books that purposely describe, teach, or treat lascivious or obscene materials;
    10.° Editions of liturgical books approved by the Apostolic See in which there have been
    any changes so that they are not consistent with the authentic editions approved by
    the Holy See;
    11.° Books that give out apocryphal indulgences or [ones] proscribed or revoked by the
    Holy See;
    12.° Any images or impressions of Our Lord Jesus Christ, of the Blessed Virgin Mary, of
    the Angels and Saints or other Servants of God, alien to the sense and decrees of the
    Church.


    The section I am referring to is subsection 5 (emphasis mine):


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    5.° Books mentioned in Canon 1385, § 1, n. 1, and Canon 1391; likewise all those
    mentioned in the cited Canon 1385, § 1, n. 2, [and] books and booklets that describe
    new apparitions, revelations, visions, prophecies, and miracles, or that lead to new
    devotions, even under the pretext of being private, if they have not been published
    in accord with the prescriptions of the canons;


    And the effect on such a book is that it:


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    cannot be published, read, retained, sold, translated into another language, or in any other way communicated to others without necessary permission.



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    Re: What to make of Alois Irlmaier
    « Reply #17 on: October 21, 2025, 06:10:47 PM »
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  • What purported apparition, revelation or devotion is involved?
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    Please read the OP in this thread.

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    Do you believe the works of men like Yves duPont -- https://www.marianland.com/tan0414/0105.html -- are, therefore, published and disseminated in violation of this rule?  Has every single outlet throughout Traddieland been violating this rule all these years? 

    "Traddieland" is a denigratory term for the Catholic Church. You should be ashamed.

    And no, most traditional Catholic outlets do not publish unapproved apparitions or revelations.

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    Re: What to make of Alois Irlmaier
    « Reply #18 on: October 21, 2025, 06:14:18 PM »
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  • :facepalm:  Alois' prophecies are of a political nature.  Has nothing to do with catholicism, or religion in general.  Take it or leave it.

    You guys get bent out of shape if some dude 50 years ago had prophecies about ww3, but you don't bat an eyelash about taking "predictions" from stock brokers or businessman.  There's really no difference.  :facepalm:

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    Re: What to make of Alois Irlmaier
    « Reply #19 on: October 21, 2025, 06:15:49 PM »
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  • .

    Please read the OP in this thread.

    "Traddieland" is a denigratory term for the Catholic Church. You should be ashamed.

    And no, most traditional Catholic outlets do not publish unapproved apparitions or revelations.
    Most of the prophecis in Yves Dupont's book are from Centuries ago...from famous saints/holy persons.  Yves Dupont is not a mystic or a seer.


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    Re: What to make of Alois Irlmaier
    « Reply #20 on: October 21, 2025, 06:24:24 PM »
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  • :facepalm:  Alois' prophecies are of a political nature.  Has nothing to do with catholicism, or religion in general.  Take it or leave it.

    You guys get bent out of shape if some dude 50 years ago had prophecies about ww3, but you don't bat an eyelash about taking "predictions" from stock brokers or businessman.  There's really no difference.  :facepalm:
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    Okay, so are you saying he wasn't claiming to receive any sort of revelation about the future? I sure didn't get that impression from reading what has been posted about him on this forum. What I've seen sure looks to me like he claimed the gift of prophecy in a supernatural manner.

    This is a totally different thing from a statement like, "It looks to me like the Ukraine war is going to be over within two years, based on how it's going now."

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    Re: What to make of Alois Irlmaier
    « Reply #21 on: October 21, 2025, 07:40:10 PM »
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  • There's a gaggle of these guys here, mostly SV types, who tend to deny and rationalize away anything that seems extraordinary or unusual.  You'll notice these are the same actors who are constantly agitating against FE and other topics that entail "conspiracy theory".  I'm not sure if it's because they have such a strong programming that they're afflicted with a very high degree of normalcy bias, or it's because they claim these types of things "make Traditional Catholics look bad", etc.

    While nobody's forcing them to believe anything, they cross the line when they start uncharitably slandering Irlmaier.  There's no indication whatsoever of malicious intent or deception.  He was taken to court over it and exonerated and was an incredibly simple man.  At worst you could say that he had an active imagination and that these weren't real predictions ... but his success rate, backed up by much testimony, far exceeds that of random chance just happening to match up with the musings of his imagination.

    Those who don't care, they're free to just depart from this thread ... but they can't resist coming here because they have some animus against it.

    There's a lot of stuff clearly copyrighted and traceable to many decades ago, such as his description of what clearly appear to be smart phones, long before even dumb cell phones existed.  And one of the episodes he describes taking place in WW3 involves a weapon that sounds preposterous ... and yet we now know the Russians have exactly that type of weapon.  If you were trying to deceive, you're going to speak in generalities, the typical tactic of deceivers, and not specifics that look crazy ... and he often says things like, "I see this, but don't know what it means."  If you were making stuff up, there would be a lot less of that than there actually is.

    He also talked about thousands of unmanned drones flying out of the hot sands and heading up OVER Salzburg, where they could see them blanketing the skies, but then dropping their payload north of them in Czech Republic.  I produced a map of US drone bases around the world, including one in Tunisia, where you have desert hot sands, and if you draw a line from there to Prague in Czech Republic, it goes DIRECTLY over Salzburg.  What are the odds of that?  Now there was a prediction of a Russia/US peace accord after "Shalom! ... with everyone crying peace." (Trump's "Eternal Peace"), taking place on short notice, in Budapest ... during which the US President is αssαssιnαtҽd.  OK, one or another of those things could be guesses, but putting them all together?  I wish I would have placed a bet.  Having a peace summit on "two weeks' notice" certainly qualifies as "short notice" for such a thing, and it's in Budapest, and it's between US/Russia (with the US President personally attending, and not just sending a delegate like Rubio), and shortly after some monumental peace deal involving Israel (his choice of the word "Shalom").  What are the odds of all those things coming together at the same time?  Incredibly slim, to say the least.

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    Re: What to make of Alois Irlmaier
    « Reply #22 on: October 22, 2025, 06:06:37 AM »
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  • Irlmaier primarily earned his living as a professional well-digger and dowser, charging for services to locate and build wells using dowsing techniques. He also provided clairvoyant consultations, such as finding missing people or offering prophecies, for which he was accused in 1947 of illegal clairvoyance for profit; however, he was acquitted after witnesses attested to his accuracy and goodwill, with no evidence of fraud. Some sources claim he had prior convictions for fraud, though this is unverified and may stem from mistranslations or unconfirmed reports. Yes, these methods of earning a living—dowsing and clairvoyance (fortune-telling or prophecy via visions)—are condemned by the Catholic Church as forms of divination, which involves seeking hidden or future knowledge through improper, supernatural means outside of divine revelation. The Church views such practices as sinful superstitions that usurp God's prerogative over the future, potentially involving demonic influence, and explicitly forbids them under the First Commandment, citing Scriptures like Deuteronomy 18:9-12 (prohibiting diviners and charmers) and Hosea 4:12 (condemning divining rods). This aligns with the Catechism of the Catholic Church (paragraphs 2115-2117), which rejects all divination as contrary to trust in God's providence. Despite this, Irlmaier maintained his Catholic faith and did not see his abilities as conflicting with it.
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    What of the above is held in dispute?  Is it wrong to point these facts out?  Are they an inconvenient truth?


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    Re: What to make of Alois Irlmaier
    « Reply #23 on: October 22, 2025, 06:41:05 AM »
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  • FWIW:


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    The divining-rod, if used only for metals of water, may perhaps be explained naturally; if used for detecting guilty persons, or things lost or stolen as such (which may be metals), it is certainly a tacit* method.

    Catholic Encyclopedia, 1913
    *"tacit" referring to contact with demons 

    This is apparently from the Holy Office:

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    The Supreme Sacred Congregation of the Holy Office has given serious consideration to the troubles which to the detriment of religious and true piety arise from the investigation by clerics of Radiaesthesia for divining facts and events. In view of the directives of canon 138 and 139.1 of the Code of Canon Law protecting clerics and religious from those matters which are such as to dishonour their office or dignity or to do possible harm to their authority, (the Congregation) makes the following findings. However the Congregation has no wish by this decree to touch upon scientific investigation of Radiaesthesia:
    The Most Excellent Ordinaries of places and Religious Superiors are ordered to prohibit their clerics or religious by stern directive from ever proceeding with those exercises in Radiaesthesia, which are involved in the above mentioned investigation.
    It will be for these Ordinaries or Religious Superiors, if they consider it necessary or appropriate, to attach a threat of penal sanction to forbidden action of this kind.
    But if any cleric or religious should repeatedly transgress this ban or if he (she) should provide an opportunity for serious harm or scandal, the Ordinaries or Superiors should report this fact to this Sacred Supreme Tribunal.
    Given in Rome, at the chambers of the Holy Office, on 26 March 1942
    Giovanni Pepe, Notary of the Supreme Sacred Congregation of the Holy Office. #9629

    John 15:19  If you had been of the world, the world would love its own: but because you are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.

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    Re: What to make of Alois Irlmaier
    « Reply #24 on: October 22, 2025, 07:41:38 AM »
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  • Irlmaier primarily earned his living as a professional well-digger and dowser, charging for services to locate and build wells using dowsing techniques. He also provided clairvoyant consultations, such as finding missing people or offering prophecies, for which he was accused in 1947 of illegal clairvoyance for profit; however, he was acquitted after witnesses attested to his accuracy and goodwill, with no evidence of fraud. Some sources claim he had prior convictions for fraud, though this is unverified and may stem from mistranslations or unconfirmed reports. Yes, these methods of earning a living—dowsing and clairvoyance (fortune-telling or prophecy via visions)—are condemned by the Catholic Church as forms of divination, which involves seeking hidden or future knowledge through improper, supernatural means outside of divine revelation. The Church views such practices as sinful superstitions that usurp God's prerogative over the future, potentially involving demonic influence, and explicitly forbids them under the First Commandment, citing Scriptures like Deuteronomy 18:9-12 (prohibiting diviners and charmers) and Hosea 4:12 (condemning divining rods). This aligns with the Catechism of the Catholic Church (paragraphs 2115-2117), which rejects all divination as contrary to trust in God's providence. Despite this, Irlmaier maintained his Catholic faith and did not see his abilities as conflicting with it.
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    What of the above is held in dispute?  Is it wrong to point these facts out?  Are they an inconvenient truth?

    Your Grok-driven nonsense is debunked by the post right after yours.  Grok of course injects terms like "clairvoyant", which is the secular perpsective on any kind of preternatural ability.  There have been many mystics that had preternatural abilities, and this Grok-post conflates divination / clairvoyance with legitimate mystical abilities, which the atheistic Grok has for a premise.  Indeed the Church condemns "divination", but legitimate gifts from mystics are not in that category.  Seems like this faithless wonder Mat183 appears to prefer Grok to actual Catholic theology.  That's incredibly pathetic.

    Have you once yet quoted an actual Catholic source for any of your assertions?  Since you've been called out on this before, seems like you're too ashamed to mention that you got this from Grok.

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    Re: What to make of Alois Irlmaier
    « Reply #25 on: October 22, 2025, 07:46:13 AM »
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  • Of course, we know that Irlamaier had friends who were priests and not a one condemned him for anything he was doing.

    But the turds here are not content with ingoring Irlmaier, not finding him credible, but they're hell bent on attacking his character ... because like all these types they're really faithless in the practical order, where they deny anything that hasn't been told to them by "mainstream" science or ... evidently ... Grok, which of course they attribute great authority and credibility to, so long as it doesn't disturb whatever mental "safe place" they've constructed for themselves.  If their safe place is disturbed, they have to lash out on threads like this.  It's rather pathetic to watch.


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    Re: What to make of Alois Irlmaier
    « Reply #26 on: October 22, 2025, 07:57:25 AM »
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  • Your Grok-driven nonsense is debunked by the post right after yours.  Grok of course injects terms like "clairvoyant", which is the secular perpsective on any kind of preternatural ability.  There have been many mystics that had preternatural abilities, and this Grok-post conflates divination / clairvoyance with legitimate mystical abilities, which the atheistic Grok has for a premise.  Indeed the Church condemns "divination", but legitimate gifts from mystics are not in that category.  Seems like this faithless wonder Mat183 appears to prefer Grok to actual Catholic theology.  That's incredibly pathetic.

    Have you once yet quoted an actual Catholic source for any of your assertions?  Since you've been called out on this before, seems like you're too ashamed to mention that you got this from Grok.
    The dumbing down of society continues.  Dumb people used to quote Wikipedia as if it was the bible.  But at least Wiki had most of its general facts correct; it was just biased on the conclusions (and only for hot topics).  If you just searched a random topic, i.e. the origin of chocolate, then Wiki was probably accurate.

    Now dumb people are using AI and act like it's research and 100% correct.  Even when the programmers of AI have repeatedly said that it can make up facts, as many have already gone to jail by using AI as a "source".  But dumb people don't even know the dangers (or care).  They plunge right ahead and act like they are a genius on a topic, because of AI.

    This new poster doesn't even understand the terms he's debating -- prophecy, clairvoyant, divination - thus he can't distinguish between what's anti-catholic and what's not.  :facepalm:

    I will be ignoring any and all AI posts from here on out.  It's not research, it's not factual and it's not conversation.

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    Re: What to make of Alois Irlmaier
    « Reply #27 on: October 22, 2025, 08:12:07 AM »
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  • The dumbing down of society continues.  Dumb people used to quote Wikipedia as if it was the bible.  But at least Wiki had most of its general facts correct; it was just biased on the conclusions (and only for hot topics).  If you just searched a random topic, i.e. the origin of chocolate, then Wiki was probably accurate.

    Now dumb people are using AI and act like it's research and 100% correct.  Even when the programmers of AI have repeatedly said that it can make up facts, as many have already gone to jail by using AI as a "source".  But dumb people don't even know the dangers (or care).  They plunge right ahead and act like they are a genius on a topic, because of AI.

    This new poster doesn't even understand the terms he's debating -- prophecy, clairvoyant, divination - thus he can't distinguish between what's anti-catholic and what's not.  :facepalm:

    I will be ignoring any and all AI posts from here on out.  It's not research, it's not factual and it's not conversation.

    Yes, this Mat183 repeatedly cites Grok as if it were some kind of authority.  We see it all the time even in human-generated content about the Catholic Church, where they never actually understand the Catholic principles involved and typically misfire on their analysis of the situation.  Here, we have the atheistic bias of a Grok classifying any kind of (potentially) mystical abilities as "clairvoyance" and "divination" ... for activities that even many approved mystics engaged in, those like Marie Julie Jahenny, Catherine Emmerich, Mary of Agreda, and Anna Maria Taigi.  ALL of them would be guilty of condemned "clairvoyance" and "divination" of the same variety that's condemned by the Church, per Grok, and this mindless buffoon who keeps citing it ... except of course there was no such condemnation and some of these have been beatified.

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    Re: What to make of Alois Irlmaier
    « Reply #28 on: October 22, 2025, 08:22:50 AM »
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  • So, the reason that God gives these types of gifts sometimes is primarily so that the faithful, His elect, can be prepared for what's to come and also to be comforted that it's all part of God's plan, and that "God wins in the end", that it'll turn out fine.  If you're in the middle of some Three Days of Darkness scenario or some horrible Third World War, one might be tempted to despair if it were not for the fact that it had been foretold, and the information about it leaked to some extent.

    In this case, if Trump does get taken out in Budapest ... that'll certainly establish Irlmaier's credibility, and then we have just a bit of time left to "duck and cover", and try to make some preparations before all hell breaks loose.

    Now, I personally have always felt that 2029 would be the start of the war and physical chastisement (with V2 being the spiritual chastisement, far worse), based on Our Lady's request to consecrate Russia in 1929 (June 13) and then Our Lord likening the delay to that of the Kings of France, who 100 years TO THE DAY of Our Lord having requested that they consecrate Frances to His Sacred Heart were effectively deposed (made subordinate to the Third Estate).

    But perhaps this comes before whatever events transpire in 2029.  Irlmaier said that he saw something that lasted 3 (units of measure).  He didn't think it would be long, but then from eternity 3 Years may not be long.  So perhaps another alternative timeline is that the war goes on for about 3 years, which would take us into 2029, at which point a Holy Pope would somehow be elected, who would then consecrate Russia, and crown three kings, one of them being the Great Monarch.  That could be possible.

    Now, it could also be that the assassination event doesn't actually take place until 2029.  Yet, to have two situations after some great Israeli-involved Peace Deal where there's a short-notice summit in Budapest between the US and Russia ... that would be uncanny.

    I would have doubted the blog post about this detail regarding the Budapest summit and assassination of the US President, except that this had been written many years ago, and I quoted it on one of these Irlmaier threads two years ago.  So it wasn't something that someone has faked when news of the Budapest summit came out and then tried to claim this prediction had been made years ago.

    Too many of Irlmaier's predictions have come true to write it off as blind squirrel or broken clock luck, and, as mentioned, what are the odds of these things all coming together in a short window of time, where everyone's crying peace, Shalom! (the great "Eternal Peace" deal that the entire world hailed), and then a short-notice summit (two weeks' notice -- how often do things like that get arranged on such short notice?), then it's in Budapest (as predicted, the Bucharest alternative notwithstanding), and it's between US and Russia, and the actual US President is attending (most of them time it's some delegate, Secretary of State, ambassador, or some such)?  I mean, if Irlmaier was just making up random things, what are odds of these all coming together?  Likely astronomical.  Now, if you wanted to claim he was under diabolical influence ... apart from the fact that it would be a slander against his character for which there's no evidence, that might at least explain it, but dumb luck?  As mentioned, I cited these predictions two years ago here on CI, and the blog itself came from years before that, so its existence prior to the events is well established.  Odds are astronomical that things would line up this way.

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    Re: What to make of Alois Irlmaier
    « Reply #29 on: October 22, 2025, 08:42:10 AM »
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  • I hear the meeting in Budapest was called off.  Maybe Trump's team saw our thread and believed Alois.  :laugh1: