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Offline Stanley N

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Re: We never went to the Moon - proof
« Reply #45 on: July 29, 2019, 11:14:42 AM »
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  • The Moon Landing is full of nonsense and things that don't add up from start to finish. Read the other threads, because I can't keep repeating them here.
    I agree. I see a lot of nonsense and things that don't add up. The problem is that nearly all of it comes from the people who think the moon landings didn't happen.

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    Re: We never went to the Moon - proof
    « Reply #46 on: July 29, 2019, 11:18:36 AM »
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  • Big software companies can't build the software they were selling 20 years ago.  They don't have computers running the versions of the OS that were used to build the software 20 years ago.  In many cases, they don't even know the versions of the libraries that were included in the product.  Did the technology take a step backward?  Of course not!  It just moved on to different things.  Same thing with space tech.  Going to the moon was too expensive.  Johnson wanted to cancel the whole program because he was worried there would be political repercussions for spending so much money on it.  So they landed on the moon 6 times and then they moved on to something else less expensive.  The technology isn't lost.  It was applied to different problems.  This is a witch-hunt.  When we send people back to the moon, you'll find reasons to doubt that it happened.  It won't matter how stupid and ignorant the argument is, you'll believe it because you are paranoid and you can't distinguish what is worthy of belief and what isn't worthy of believe.  Not everything that is worthy of belief turns out to be true but that's life.  We make mistakes and we move on.  We don't become paranoid and think that everyone is trying to fool us.


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    Re: We never went to the Moon - proof
    « Reply #47 on: July 29, 2019, 11:37:18 AM »
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  • A lot of people get stuck on this idea that too many people would have to be involved for a hoax like this to work. But in many lines of work everyone stays in their own lane, does their own individual job, and has no idea what's going on above their pay grade. Especially in government. One hand has no idea what the other hand is doing, they are all so compartmentalized it's ridiculous. They just do what they are told and believe what they are told without ever seeing a bigger picture beyond "America!". This alone would reduce the number of people in on the hoax pretty significantly. A lot of people could have contributed to the hoax thinking it's real. Plus how many could have contributed without even knowing they were involved at all. Then you'd have those you can pay off, they are many. Then you'd have those who are committed to the cause, committed to whatever they'd have to gain by perpetrating the hoax. When people are not anchored to God they end up committing themselves to all kinds of crazy, misdirected causes that boggle the mind of a sane person. Power, pride, vanity, fame, money, political clout, bragging rights, these are all in play here and they are intoxicating to the majority.  

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    Re: We never went to the Moon - proof
    « Reply #48 on: July 29, 2019, 11:47:52 AM »
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  • I agree 100%, but still, the lie has further problems.  Computers in the 60s were as big as a garage; now they are as small as a wristwatch (and even smaller).  The idea that the destruction of 1960s tech would impede current day tech is ludicrous!  We're not talking about a dying industry, like the making of stained-glass windows, where the destruction of knowledge is damaging because people just aren't making these things anymore.  We're talking about the tech industry; we're talking about NASA; we're talking about the entire industries of the airforce, computing and satellite combined.  These industries have grown exponentially since the 60s.  The tech should be available to where we could build a moon-landing project from scratch, ignoring that the 1960s NASA even existed, and it should be "light years" better.  The tech of the 1960s is so outdated that it doesn't even matter.
    Good point. NASA should not have to work hard and spend years of effort to get us "back" to the moon. A lot of that trail should have been blazed in the 1970s. At most, they should have to replace hundreds of pounds of solid state computer parts with a single (hardened against radiation, extreme cold, and other space conditions) computer like they've been using in low earth orbit for decades. They already have modern computers working in outer space, they're just not very far from earth. Haven't they developed modern computer, navigation systems on the ISS and even unmanned probes? You're right, we're talking about whole industries that have all advanced over the past 50 years. NASA should be able to go to the moon on relatively short notice if we truly went there 6 times in the past.

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    Re: We never went to the Moon - proof
    « Reply #49 on: July 29, 2019, 11:53:21 AM »
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  • So they landed on the moon 6 times and then they moved on to something else less expensive.  The technology isn't lost.  It was applied to different problems.  This is a witch-hunt.  When we send people back to the moon, you'll find reasons to doubt that it happened.  It won't matter how stupid and ignorant the argument is, you'll believe it because you are paranoid and you can't distinguish what is worthy of belief and what isn't worthy of believe.  Not everything that is worthy of belief turns out to be true but that's life.  We make mistakes and we move on.  We don't become paranoid and think that everyone is trying to fool us.
    NASA has explicitly said they destroyed the technology of the Apollo program. I notice you say "when" we send people back to the moon. As others have pointed out, every US president since 1973 has held out the promise of going back to the moon (and lately they've added: a trip to Mars) as a way to inspire the American people and appear extra presidential and visionary.  Thus far, every last one has failed to deliver. Even Trump might leave office in 1 or 5 years without anyone setting foot on the moon during his tenure. I wouldn't be surprised at all.


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    Re: We never went to the Moon - proof
    « Reply #50 on: July 29, 2019, 11:57:08 AM »
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  • A lot of people get stuck on this idea that too many people would have to be involved for a hoax like this to work. But in many lines of work everyone stays in their own lane, does their own individual job, and has no idea what's going on above their pay grade. Especially in government. 
    It's not so simple. A LOT of engineers worked on the technology. Let's assume it was all a hoax and most of the engineers didn't know it.

    The thing is, even if an engineer was working on a small part, that engineer expected the part to be going into space. It was designed to go into space, from the smallest part to the integration. And they didn't just design on paper - they build parts and prototypes and tested them to make sure they could go into space. And some pieces were designed to be on the moon. (Parts of the lunar lander structure were designed for 1/6 gravity.) And not only that, but they expected this ship to be carry people, so they designed it to protect people in the space environment. That added several systems for life support (breathing, food, waste disposal) that engineers really designed, tested and built. The designs were for taking people into space and to the moon.

    And we do have the blueprints and some remaining parts. Engineers today can verify that, as designed, it had the specifications for taking people into space and to the moon. If any of this were not up to specification, a lot of engineers would have noticed in the last 50+ years. That hasn't been the case. (And there are engineers outside the US.) 

    So you're left with nearly all the engineers spending their time designing, building and testing something that could go to the moon (so the blueprints and remaining parts look right), but then building something else that couldn't. 

    If this was all a hoax, it would have been simpler to just, you know, go to the moon.

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    Re: We never went to the Moon - proof
    « Reply #51 on: July 29, 2019, 11:57:28 AM »
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    Going to the moon was too expensive.  Johnson wanted to cancel the whole program because he was worried there would be political repercussions for spending so much money on it.  So they landed on the moon 6 times and then they moved on to something else less expensive. 
    Great story, except it's contrary to the facts.  The US did indeed spend a ton of $ on the moon landing project, but it was never completed.  They faked the actual landings so that they could justify the expense to the public, and then get the budget increased!  Could the US have eventually landed on the moon, with 60s and 70s tech?  Probably, but it makes no difference.  The goal of landing on the moon had 2 purposes - to justify the cost and existence of NASA and to give the public a "hooray, America is awesome and better than russia!" moment during the cold war.
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    The fact that NASA's budget has ballooned since the 70s, with billions upon billions (maybe trillions) spent on many projects which are highly classified gives us the motive the deep state had in the crime of the fake landings.  The opportunity was the fact that a Hollywood studio type atmosphere could fake the landing because most americans would watch the event on tvs that were low resolution and also, most americans trusted their govt to a large degree, being we were only a few years removed from JFK, who was probably the last president worth trusting to some degree.
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    NASA didn't have a less expensive budget after the moon landings, they had a LARGER budget.  They just knew that the moon hoax would satisfy the public and let them work in peace for a few decades, so that they could come up with the next fantastical goal - mars.  Such a project would take decades to accomplish, so NASA could justify their increased $ and secrecy.
      

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    Re: We never went to the Moon - proof
    « Reply #52 on: July 29, 2019, 12:02:07 PM »
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  • NASA should be able to go to the moon on relatively short notice if we truly went there 6 times in the past.
    The main limitation is a sufficiently powerful rocket. There just isn't a currently operational, human-rated launch system capable of getting enough mass up there. (And NASA seems o be designing for Mars, which does add several new issues that the Apollo program didn't deal with, including people spending years in open space.)


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    Re: We never went to the Moon - proof
    « Reply #53 on: July 29, 2019, 12:11:30 PM »
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  • NASA has explicitly said they destroyed the technology of the Apollo program. I notice you say "when" we send people back to the moon. As others have pointed out, every US president since 1973 has held out the promise of going back to the moon (and lately they've added: a trip to Mars) as a way to inspire the American people and appear extra presidential and visionary.  Thus far, every last one has failed to deliver. Even Trump might leave office in 1 or 5 years without anyone setting foot on the moon during his tenure. I wouldn't be surprised at all.
    "destroyed" is a bit misleading. The Apollo program was shut down by a change of administration, and so the people with operational knowledge moved to other jobs, and the machine shops making parts retooled to do other work.
    NASA will keep working on projects like Orion and SLS, but the Trump administration has not to my knowledge committed the funds necessarily to get these programs operational for a Mars or Moon mission under his administration. I would be shocked if it happened - even with a second term.

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    Re: We never went to the Moon - proof
    « Reply #54 on: July 29, 2019, 12:21:21 PM »
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  • Great story, except it's contrary to the facts.  The US did indeed spend a ton of $ on the moon landing project, but it was never completed.  They faked the actual landings so that they could justify the expense to the public, and then get the budget increased!  Could the US have eventually landed on the moon, with 60s and 70s tech?  Probably, but it makes no difference.  The goal of landing on the moon had 2 purposes - to justify the cost and existence of NASA and to give the public a "hooray, America is awesome and better than russia!" moment during the cold war.
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    The fact that NASA's budget has ballooned since the 70s, with billions upon billions (maybe trillions) spent on many projects which are highly classified gives us the motive the deep state had in the crime of the fake landings.  The opportunity was the fact that a Hollywood studio type atmosphere could fake the landing because most americans would watch the event on tvs that were low resolution and also, most americans trusted their govt to a large degree, being we were only a few years removed from JFK, who was probably the last president worth trusting to some degree.
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    NASA didn't have a less expensive budget after the moon landings, they had a LARGER budget.  They just knew that the moon hoax would satisfy the public and let them work in peace for a few decades, so that they could come up with the next fantastical goal - mars.  Such a project would take decades to accomplish, so NASA could justify their increased $ and secrecy.
      
    I remember reading something many years ago that the "Space Race" was actually about perfecting the rocket technology for delivering atomic warheads. As it was easier to get funds to send a man to the moon than to send nukes to Russia, but the rocket can do both.

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    Re: We never went to the Moon - proof
    « Reply #55 on: July 29, 2019, 12:30:10 PM »
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    It's not so simple. A LOT of engineers worked on the technology. Let's assume it was all a hoax and most of the engineers didn't know it.

    The thing is, even if an engineer was working on a small part, that engineer expected the part to be going into space. It was designed to go into space, from the smallest part to the integration. And they didn't just design on paper - they build parts and prototypes and tested them to make sure they could go into space. And some pieces were designed to be on the moon. (Parts of the lunar lander structure were designed for 1/6 gravity.) And not only that, but they expected this ship to be carry people, so they designed it to protect people in the space environment. That added several systems for life support (breathing, food, waste disposal) that engineers really designed, tested and built. The designs were for taking people into space and to the moon.

    And we do have the blueprints and some remaining parts. Engineers today can verify that, as designed, it had the specifications for taking people into space and to the moon. If any of this were not up to specification, a lot of engineers would have noticed in the last 50+ years. That hasn't been the case. (And there are engineers outside the US.) 

    So you're left with nearly all the engineers spending their time designing, building and testing something that could go to the moon (so the blueprints and remaining parts look right), but then building something else that couldn't. 

    If this was all a hoax, it would have been simpler to just, you know, go to the moon.
    You're missing the point. 
    Did 1,000s of engineers build a working lunar shuttle?  Yes. 
    Did 1,000s of engineers design all kinds of systems that met specifications they were given for working on the moon?  Yes. 
    Did 1,000s of engineers design all kinds of astronaut clothing that met specifications they were given  so that men could survive on the moon?  Yes.
    Did 1,000s of engineers understand/test the specifications they were given?  No.
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    The top scientists at NASA are the ones who calculated the "big picture" of what it would take to launch, land, survive and return from the moon.  These specifications were then funneled down to the 1,000s of engineers who built all the moon stuff.  The 1,000s of engineers relied on the specs they were given, or at least they relied on the underlying assumptions.
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    As the old comparison goes, going to the moon IS actual rocket science, so this type of engineering is highly complex.  Most engineers can't comprehend it and aren't trained to.  You can't go to your local college and major in rocket science.  Only those highly trained genius scientists "at the top" understood it and were tasked with putting together the overall plan.  It would've only taken a few engineers to convince everyone else that "this will work".
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    Think about all the manpower and people it takes to build a skyscraper.  Yet how many architects actually draw up the plans for the design?  Less than 5?  Then add a few more people to account for the head construction engineers (who have some engineering experience).  Everyone else has NO IDEA how to build a building.  They are experts on the detailed process, not the overall build.  So out of 1,000s of concrete guys, plumbers, electricians, steel workers, etc, etc who build buildings, less than 10 people are responsible for the design and structural integrity of the building.  And this is for a building project that has been done 1,000s of times.  There are skyscrapers everywhere
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    How fewer people would completely understand what it would take to go to the moon for the first time?  How many engineers could look at all the calculations of astro-physics, math and engineering and completely understand it enough to point out a problem with the theoretical concepts and assumptions of the overall plan?  A handful.  Everyone else, 99% of the people working on the project, had to trust the underlying assumptions and theory because they weren't experts. 
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    NASA may very well have had the capability to land on the moon, but they did not.  The evidence proves otherwise.  Did 1,000s of engineers build what they THOUGHT was moon-capable equipment?  Yes.  Was it actually capable of fulfilling the project?  We'll never know.
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    It's easily explained how 1,000s of people can be misled to believe a lie and to be part of a big hoax.  It all starts with a false premise or a false set of facts.  Any conclusion, no matter how logical, is false if the starting premise is wrong.  Could a handful of people have orchestrated all of these constructions projects and fooled 1,000s of engineers to build equipment that they thought would work?  Quite easily.



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    Re: We never went to the Moon - proof
    « Reply #56 on: July 29, 2019, 12:35:24 PM »
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    The US did indeed spend a ton of $ on the moon landing project, but it was never completed.  They faked the actual landings so that they could justify the expense to the public, and then get the budget increased!  Could the US have eventually landed on the moon, with 60s and 70s tech?  Probably, but it makes no difference.  The goal of landing on the moon had 2 purposes - to justify the cost and existence of NASA and to give the public a "hooray, America is awesome and better than russia!" moment during the cold war.

    You've got it.  Apollo was a total hoax.  Now NASA, late in the game,  has released high resolution photos, allegedly of he original landing surface.  Ever hear of photoshop?  They never give up.  Yes, Apollo is the queen of all the American-generated hoaxes, fαℓѕє fℓαgs and black ops. I'm beginning to think, as Bill Kaysing once stated, that America herself is a hoax. I

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    Re: We never went to the Moon - proof
    « Reply #57 on: July 29, 2019, 12:45:46 PM »
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    I remember reading something many years ago that the "Space Race" was actually about perfecting the rocket technology for delivering atomic warheads. As it was easier to get funds to send a man to the moon than to send nukes to Russia, but the rocket can do both.
    Great point.  And let's not forget all the low orbiting satellites that NASA developed, which have been shot up into space in the 1,000s and which are used to create the surveillance state, GPS, internet, and drone tech.  Add in what you describe, that NASA has also developed much tech for the military industrial complex.  What other top secret projects has NASA worked on - facial recognition?  Crowd control weapons?  Biometric chipping tech for the antichrist?  The coming 5G surveillance state?  Let's not forget weather control weapons.
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    We can easily see that NASA's moon hoax was the tool to get Americans, in an appeal to their nationalistic pride, to fund their future Orweillian, big brother nightmare.  Or worse, the nuclear weapons they will use for population "pruning" in WW3. 

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    Re: We never went to the Moon - proof
    « Reply #58 on: July 29, 2019, 12:55:31 PM »
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  • Thanks Pax, that is a much more detailed point than I could make. That money was going somewhere, why not put real people to work with real jobs and real paychecks that they could spend on more stuff to stimulate the economy. And they really thought they were building something to go to the moon. But how many people actually saw it happen with their own eyes? 99.9999% of this large number of people who worked on the project relied on belief. This is not proof.  


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    If this was all a hoax, it would have been simpler to just, you know, go to the moon.

    What if it isn't? What if they gave it a real shot and realized it really wasn't simpler to just go to the moon?

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    Re: We never went to the Moon - proof
    « Reply #59 on: July 29, 2019, 03:00:13 PM »
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    I have patiently explained each of these things when they have appeared. But now we have the same people just repeating the same things, as if they have never been addressed either here or elsewhere on the internet. And while I was doing Sunday liturgy and family things, someone has apparently given me 23 downvotes in less than a day.
    Thank you, Stanley for your patience.  May God bless you for it.  I wasn't one of those who gave you a thumbsdown vote.  You are at least giving it all you've got and deserve some recognition for that.  Please don't leave the discussion, because 5micro probably couldn't get along without you.

    BTW, are you, or have you ever been a part of NASA?  Do you have any close relatives in NASA, or in any other NASA-related aerospace industries or companies?