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Offline poche

Re: St. Joan of arc and feminism
« Reply #40 on: August 05, 2017, 10:59:10 PM »
Quote from: Nooseph Polten on August 05, 2017, 03:11:52 PM
So you do think that it is just as much of a woman's place to be in the military as it is a man's?
No, but I am saying when the circuмstances place them there then their enemies should beware.  
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Offline Nooseph Polten

Re: St. Joan of arc and feminism
« Reply #41 on: August 07, 2017, 02:42:35 PM »
Quote from: PG on August 05, 2017, 07:55:11 PM
Nooseph - conveniently, I was as well recently thinking about the possible complication that St. Joan of arc presents and that you described(joan being an ace in the hole for feminists).  But, as I read about her life the other day, I don't think so, and I think she is quite amazing.  It is somewhat mysterious, and likely way over the head of feminists and beyond the scope of this keyboard.  But, the "math" does add up imo concerning St. Joan.  

And, if anyone digs a bit deeper, they will find that St. Joan is not promoting what we see going on in modern female society.  

I suggest that you thoroughly familiarize yourself with St. Joan(buy the authoritative/traditional text(s) on her life) and when that conversation comes up with feminists, you can in all charity accurately explain who she was and why she is exalted by God.  I think you ought to develop a devotion to St. Joan in order to strengthen your arguments.  Because, I don't disagree with them, and I don't think St. Joan would either.  Remember, she did all of this because of supernatural visions.  If the visions had not been, she would have been at home spinning if I recall correctly.  
Which websites/books have you read about St. Joan? Although I understand the part about her being similar to a cheerleader, I still think she seems to be an exalted military woman most peoples' eyes, and her being the patron saint of similar roles doesn't help much in this regard. 
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Offline poche

Re: St. Joan of arc and feminism
« Reply #42 on: August 07, 2017, 11:54:20 PM »
oan was the daughter of Jacques d'Arc and Isabelle Romée[27] in Domrémy, a village which was then in the French part of the duchy of Bar.[28] Joan's parents owned about 50 acres (20 hectares) of land and her father supplemented his farming work with a minor position as a village official, collecting taxes and heading the local watch.[29] They lived in an isolated patch of eastern France that remained loyal to the French crown despite being surrounded by pro-Burgundian lands. Several local raids occurred during her childhood and on one occasion her village was burned. Joan was illiterate and it is believed that her letters were dictated by her to scribes and she signed her letters with the help of others.[30]
At her trial, Joan stated that she was about nineteen years old, which implies she thought she was born around 1412. She later testified that she experienced her first vision in 1425 at the age of 13, when she was in her "father's garden"[31] and saw visions of figures she identified as Saint Michael, Saint Catherine, and Saint Margaret, who told her to drive out the English and bring the Dauphin to Reims for his coronation. She said she cried when they left, as they were so beautiful.[32]
At the age of sixteen, she asked a relative named Durand Lassois to take her to the nearby town of Vaucouleurs, where she petitioned the garrison commander, Robert de Baudricourt, for an armed escort to bring her to the French Royal Court at Chinon. Baudricourt's sarcastic response did not deter her.[33] She returned the following January and gained support from two of Baudricourt's soldiers: Jean de Metzand Bertrand de Poulengy.[34] According to Jean de Metz, she told him that "I must be at the King's side ... there will be no help (for the kingdom) if not from me. Although I would rather have remained spinning [wool] at my mother's side ... yet must I go and must I do this thing, for my Lord wills that I do so."[35] Under the auspices of Metz and Poulengy, she was given a second meeting, where she made a prediction about a military reversal at the Battle of Rouvray near Orléans several days before messengers arrived to report it.[36] According to the Journal du Siége d’Orléans, which portrays Joan as a miraculous figure, Joan came to know of the battle through "grace divine" while tending her flocks in Lorraine and used this divine revelation to persuade Baudricort to take her to the Dauphin.[37]



Joan's birthplace in Domrémy is now a museum. The village church where she attended Mass is on the right behind the trees.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joan_of_Arc
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