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The true Nature of the American Constitution
« on: August 01, 2010, 03:19:06 PM »
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  • We all know that the American Constitution is an evil, heretical and schismatic document that no Catholic can swear to defend, specifically because of the separation of Church and State.  But that is not the purpose of my writing here today, this first day that I have noticed myself to have been unbanned.

    There are those like Newt Gingrich, who try to make an image for themselves as the "saviours" of the Constitutional rights of the American people, but such men are deceivers and are privy to little known legal facts concerning the definitions contained in the same document.

    A question you Americans should be asking yourselves is this:  Does the Constitution actually apply to me?  And if so, does ALL of it apply to me?  Or is there a distinction in there somewhere that I am tacitly accepting, and therefore giving the government powers over me that it would not otherwise possess, and that it in fact wields only by fɾαυd?

    Here is a to do list for those who want to heed the voice of the LORD and "Go out from her, my people; that you be not partakers of her sins, and that you receive not of her plagues." in a secular and temporal sense, for those who have always wondered why the government can make "laws" telling you what you can and can't eat (Codex, anybody?), etc.:

    1) Learn about "Freeman on the land"

    2) Read the clumsily titled book "How I Clobbered Every Bureaucratic Cash-Confiscatory Agency Known to Man" - But definitely ignore the spiritual and anti Catholic mumbo jumbo and that is peddled therein.

    3) Learn how to claim your rights (5 videos in an auto playlist)

    4) Read the following exposé on the Constitution of America:


    Who are "We the People"?

    http://www.cувєrclass.net/stumpletters.htm

    Arizona Senator's Letter to State Officials

    On December 10, 1985, Arizona State Senator Wayne Stump addressed a letter to the State's Director of Public Safety, Ralph Milstead, that is sure to shake up the bureaucracy. The same letter was addressed to the sheriff of every county, every police chief, and the head of every law enforcement agency having to do with traffic regulation in the State of Arizona.

    Let the letter speak for itself: "It has come to my attention that numerous individuals in our state have rescinded all of their contracts with the United States federal government, the State of Arizona, and each of its political subdivisions, establishing themselves as freemen under the organic national Constitution of the Republic of the United States of America. Consequently, they may be driving without auto registration, driver's license, or any other evidence of contract.

    "Because many law enforcement personnel may be unaware of the contractual nature of auto registration and driver's licenses, it is conceivable that this situation may lead to confrontation between these individuals and law enforcement personnel.

    "I urge you to inform yourself and your personnel about this matter as soon as possible. If you would like to be briefed by someone knowledgeable on this subject, please contact me.

    "In the meantime, inasmuch as this procedure is entirely appropriate when properly carried out, I would like to be personally notified of every such instance of confrontation in order that the persons involved and the public officials involved may be apprised of the correct procedure and the appropriateness of their actions on the part of each concerned.

    "My office phone is (602) 255-5261 and I am requesting to be notified of the names and incidents along with addresses and phone numbers of participants of any such confrontations arising from the exercise of a person's freeman status in order to evaluate the outcome of properly rescinded contracts.

    Sincerely,

    Wayne Stump
    State Senator
    State Capitol - Senate Wing
    Phoenix, Arizona 85007

    [Reprinted from `Freedom League Newsletter', January 1986]

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    A STATE SENATOR EXPLAINS

    14TH AMENDMENT

    CITIZENSHIP

    The 14th Amendment was not properly ratified by the states of the Union. Like the 16th and 17th Amendments, it is a law that does not exist. We must begin forcing the dialogue in political discussions, meetings and talk radio to these key, core issues.

    They are critical to the Unseen Hand and continuing to yap about the symptoms instead of the treatment won't get the issues out into the public domain.

    The following is a reprint from the Free Enterprise Society's newsletter, May 1989. It is authored by former Arizona State Senator Wayne Stump:

    To whom it may concern:

    "As my interest in constitutional law has expanded over the past years and the word of my interest spread, I have happily become the recipient of ραƚɾισt papers, circulars and letters from all over this great land.

    Many folks involved in the research and use of the principles involved in our "Republican" form of government have become personal friends. These friendships have enabled a great deal of activity, from diverse sources, to develop together for comparison and evaluation.

    I have, from time to time, endeavored to pass information, on a limited basis, from one source to another for enlightenment of individuals on general issues.

    This time, however, it would appear that the emerging principles are so fundamental to our form of government, and of such magnitude as to encompass every man, woman and child in our united Republics, that one wonders how they could have ever become obscured.

    The principles to which I refer are those heralded in the Preamble of the Constitution, which beings: "We, the People...." and continues "....secure the blessings of Liberty to

    Ourselves and our Posterity." These words, without question, were used to represent the interests of the signers of the Constitutional contract. That is to say, "The Founding Fathers and their Posterity."

    When one reflects on this meaning of "We the People" it would seem to mean that the Preamble People were a class of people who, with the aid of God, originally secured their Liberty with the protections they constructed into the Organic Constitution and the first ten Amendments thereto. This, being the case, tends to bring the import of the 14th

    Amendment into focus.

    The 13th and 14th Amendments, as we have been taught, were fashioned to give freedom to slaves and to secure for them privileges of citizenship.

    Our Educators, however, neglected to explain that the 14th Amendment creation was that of a new "class" of citizenship. It becomes clear when one studies the wording of the Organic Constitution, that the original people cited in the "Preamble" could not lose the "Blessings" secured thereby as long as the Constitution was intact, because our Constitution is perpetual.

    The 14th Amendment, then had to create another "position" for those persons for whom it was created. Scrutiny of the 14th Amendment reveals that persons encompassed thereby were "subject" to jurisdiction thereof and may not "question" the validity of the public debt.

    Big "C" -- Little "c"

    When this Nation was founded each of the individual States of this union had their own Citizens (spelled with a capital "C"). Today, we have a second class of citizen (note the small "c"), the 14th Amendment citizen.

    In law, every letter in a word is important. A word capitalized may mean one specific thing, while the same word without capitalization may mean something entirely different. In the case of Citizenship (or citizenship), this is more certainly true.

    There is a clear distinction between national and State citizenship, U.S. citizenship does not entitle citizen of the privileges and Immunities of the Citizen of the State. K. Tashiro v. Jordan, 256 P 545, affirmed 49 S Ct 47, 278 US 123

    Black's Law Dictionary, 5th Edition, agrees with the distinction between these different classes of (C)itizenship:  There are two Privileges and Immunities Clauses in the federal Constitution and Amendments, the first being found in Art. IV, and the second in the 14th Amendment. Section 1, second sentence, clause 1. The provision in Art. IV states that "The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States, while the 14th Amendment provides that "No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States.

    Note the lack of capitalization in the wording used in the 14th Amendment, this specifically means that the words "citizens, privileges, immunities" are not the same as in Article IV.  The State of California was admitted into the Union of the United States in 1949; 9 Statutes at Large 452. It was admitted on an equal footing with the original States in all respects whatsoever.

    The State of California was required to have its own Citizens, who were first State Citizens, then as a consequence of State Citizenship were American Citizens, known as Citizens of the United States. There was no specific class as this, but for traveling and protection by the United States government while out of the country, they were generally called Citizens of the United States.

    The Constitution for the United States of America (1787) used the term "Citizen of the United States" in Article I, Section 2, (capital "C"), and numerous other sections. This referred to the Sovereign Political Body of State Citizens, this Citizen is entitled to all the Privileges and Immunities of the Citizens of the several States under Article IV.

    Congress utilized the same term "citizen of the United States" qualifying it with a small "c" to distinguish "federal citizen" in the so-called 14th Amendment. These "citizens" have only statutory rights granted by Congress.

    Thus, Congress and most of the Judiciary, without distinction being properly brought forth have made rulings based upon the federal "citizens" who are resident in a State, not State Citizens domiciled within their own State.

    The statement by Chief Justice Taney in Dred Scott v. Stanford, 19 How. 393, 422, in defining the term "persons" the Judge stated:

    ......persons who are not recognized as Citizens,". See also American and Ocean Ins. Co. V. Canter, 1 Pet. 511, which also distinguishes "persons" and "Citizens." These were the persons that were the object of the 14th Amendment, to give to this class of native born "persons" who were "resident" in the union of the United States citizenship, and authority to place other than the white race within the special category of"citizen of the United States."

    To overcome the statement in Dred Scott, supra, that only white people were Citizens, and all other persons were only "residents" without citizenship of the United States, Congress then passed the Civil Rights Act of 1866, 14 STAT 27.

    The Act of Congress called the Civil Rights Act, 14 U.S. Stats. At Large, pg 27, which was the forerunner of the 14th Amendment, amply shows the intent of Congress:

    All persons born in the United States and not subject to any foreign power, excluding Indians not taxed, are hereby declared to be citizens of the United States, and such citizens of every race and color...shall have the same right in every state and territory of the United States...to full and equal benefit of all laws and proceedings for the security of person and property as is enjoyed by white citizens,

    (Again, note the lack of capitalization)

    This was the intent of Congress; not to infringe upon the Constitution or the state of the de jure Citizens of the several states. It was never the intent of the 14th Amendment to subvert the States' authority or that of the Constitution as it relates to the status of the de jure State Citizens. People v. Washington, 36 C 658, 661 (1869) over ruled on other grounds; French v. Barber, 181 US 324; MacKenzie v. Hare, 60 L Ed 297

    At this point, I anticipate a lot of folks reading this article are going into shock as they grab for the Constitution to check out the phrase and "question" of the validity of the public debt. Let me help you by reference to section 4 of the 14th Amendment and caution you to hold onto your chair.

    It would seen then, from the foregoing, that there are two "classes" of citizens in this country:

    1. Preamble Citizen: persons born or naturalized within the meaning of the Organic Constitution and inhabiting one of the several Republics of the United States who enjoy full citizenship of the Organic Constitution as Citizens of the Republic which they inhabit.

    2. Citizen "subject": persons enfranchised by the 14th Amendment who are born or naturalized in the United States within the meaning of the 14th Amendment and are residing therein as a United States citizen and are enjoying the privileges and immunities of "limited" citizenship.

    It is not my intention, in this article, to become technically involved in citations for the information introduced here, but only to outline an overview for those folks who claim "Constitutional Rights" and then wonder why the legislatures, courts and police don't respond in "kind" to these claims.

    When one separates the classes among their appropriate dividing lines, it appears that:

    1. Preamble Citizens:
    a. Have direct personal access to a God inspired, original Constitution and it's restraints on government for the protection of life, liberty and property.
    b. Have direct personal access to the Article III courts known as "justice courts" which deal with law.

    2. Citizen "subjects":
    a. Have representative access to the first eight amendments as purviewed by the 14th Amendment. b. Have representative access to Article 1 courts, provided by legislature, that are known as "legislative courts" which deal with statutes and are served by bar members, or officers of the court, known as lawyers.

    My concern here, stems from my observation that folks involved with the preservation of our beloved Constitution are unaware of the "limited" citizenship created by the 14th Amendment. Additionally, these folks don't realize that they are, or have voluntarily become, citizen subjects because of their acceptance of the "benefits" of limited citizenship.

    The main "benefit" that I will mention here is Social Security. There are many other "benefits" such as the benefit of "regulation by licensing" that give control of your children to the State by making them "wards of the State" and subject to the "regulation" of the "legislative courts" by statute, etc.

    The intention of this article is to point out the apparent difference in the classes of citizenship and the difference in the courts in serving these classes.

    I have noticed that, in many publications, and also personal conversations, people convey their feelings of alarm or despair in finding that "the court" or "government" is in violation of the Constitution without realizing that the court they are addressing is a legislative court and does not hear cases based on justice, but rather, cases based only on statute law.

    The reality of the following example of statute law is that the statute specifies a speed limit to be held at 30 m.p.h. The only question that can be entertained by the court is that of whether the accused did in fact go faster than the limit. That is a yes or no question. The accused cannot try to tell the court that it was a six lane highway on a clear day with no traffic in sight and that his speed of 60 m.p.h. did not injure anyone.

    The court is not obligated to hear that argument as it is not a justice court.   The final question then would seem to be "where is the article III "justice" court and who can use it? I am very aware that many of the folks reading this article are not going to be able to use the justice courts, as they have natural or acquired deficiencies that will not allow them Preamble Citizenship, but for the people endowed with the proper qualifications, it appears that the straight line approach of barring jurisdiction of legislative courts (tribunals) through recision of contracts and declaration of Article
    IV, Section 2 status is essential, as it appears that only Preamble People can exercise the offices as set forth in the Organic Constitution. Additionally, it seems that this same class (Preamble People) is the only class that may claim the protection of the first ten Amendments as written.

    As the truth of our personal status, and the responsibilities connected therewith unfolds, it becomes clear that the Article III "justice" court must be accessed individually by the person claiming the right. At present it is being done by common law filing of actions "in law" with the County Recorders who have been found to be "ex officio" clerks of the County courts. The authority for the exercise of the "justice" office is found in the 9th Article of Amendment and I believe all State Constitutions have similar provisions for the Preamble Citizens (also known as de jure Citizens).

    I will not go farther with an attempt toward instruction but will leave this in the hands of the many ραƚɾισts engaged in the research of these developments. My mission in presenting this information in a general sense is to help the unfortunate individuals who repeatedly bash themselves against the rocks of misinformation or ignorance in vain, though laudable, effort to protect our beloved Constitution. I hope I have achieved this end."

    It would appear that this former Arizona State Senator was a right-wing, anti-government wacko!

    Now, what does this all mean? It means that unless and until the people of this country move the dialogue away from pap like "can John McCain raise enough money...." or "more money for education" malarkey, to how these key problems got started, America will continue to drown in rage, heartbreak, misery and anger that will turn to anarchy.

    Are the pieces to the puzzle starting to fall into place? Do a lot more things make sense now when you reflect upon the words above with personal life experience? Do you understand just how duplicitous and devious this government is and has been for a long, long time? Can you now understand why it was so important for the shadow government to comandeer public education in 1978 by creating the Federal Department of Socialist Education and making it a cabinet? Better to teach condoms and "alternative life styles" to children, provide free abortion counseling and eliminate all teaching of the history of this country than to allow the citizenry to discover how they've been hoodwinked. Get the population hooked on pornography, drugs, sports and credit cards and wha-la! A greedy, selfish and apathetic people, just ripe for the pickins.

    The 14th Amendment was never properly ratified. As with the 16th and 17th Amendments, it is a law that does not exist. Therefore, I am a Preamble Citizen of the Republic of California. Unfortunately that doesn't mean squat to this government or our judicial system. The one and only way to rein them in and rectify this mess is to shout down the roof tops about the non- ratification of these three critical nєω ωσrℓ∂ σr∂єr amendments and demand that the U.S. Congress come clean with the American people.

    Yes, it is a mess beyond any proportion but our nation cannot continue to survive on these lies. The people of this nation still hold the power if they would just find the courage to exercise it.

    That is the bottom line and that is the only cure. If we have to take to the streets by the tens of thousands, then we must do it. We simply can't go on with the government's mєdια complex and these politicians, most of them too stupid to understand what was written above, lying to our nation.

    Call your talk radio host and demand these issues be brought to the forefront or boycott their sponsors. We are at the crossroads in the history of America. We, you, me and everyone else who knows the truth - we can shape the course of history right now and be proud of what we saved. Our country and our children's birthright - it's worth fighting for and that stupid tv program or a trip to the mall captivating our people, means nothing. Will you fight without violence by making your voice heard and demand these issues be brought to the forefront of public discussion?

    Devvy Kidd

    October 21, 1999

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    I have tried to locate Senator Wayne Stump without success as of Feb. 2000. The last known record of him that I was able to find was with the Board of Directors for the National Rifle Association in America during 1995. They have not yet provided any updated contact information for Mr. Stump. The Arizona Department of Public

    Safety does have Ralph Milstead listed as a prior Director (with his picture too).

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    « Reply #1 on: August 12, 2010, 04:46:22 AM »
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  • Addendum:

    The reason I posted this information is because without knowing how to assert one's rights in the face of unjust public officials (especially in the light of the growing police state), parents are liable to have their kids taken away, or forced to accept ναccιnєs, or other such things that the government may decide to "legislate for the good of the people and the state".

    As for the whole "discharging one's debt", let me be clear that I am not endorsing that particular aspect.

    Again, I posted this so that people would have the knowledge and means to protect themselves from unjust public officials who may attempt "legally" to ruin their families.


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    « Reply #2 on: August 12, 2010, 08:15:37 AM »
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  • CM, awhle ago, I started a thread on AMericanism...

    BTW, as a Candadian, what do you make of your situation? Do you ahve a Constitution? since the NWO elites wil lbe merging us not too distantly, guess we should know a bit more about you all
    Proud "European American" and prouder, still, Catholic

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    « Reply #3 on: August 14, 2010, 01:08:09 PM »
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  • Belloc, yes, Canada has a Constitution that is similar in effect to yours.  But the subsequent "legislation" does away with many of the so-called civil liberties.

    Truly, it is the common law of the land that ought to be enforced.

    Here is a link to show just what can happen to people when they do not understand their rights and assert them.  NOte, I did not watch the videos, but Rob Menard can be foul mouthed, so watch at your own risk.  Also, he is a Pantheist.  Nevertheless, he knows the law VERY well.


    And think about this:  If it can happen to Marc Emery for marijuana, which the gov't has legislated against, then what happens when Codex is put in force?  What happens to families and communities who "break the law" and produce, consume and (gov forbid!) distribute wholesome, and healthy foods?

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    « Reply #4 on: August 14, 2010, 02:28:52 PM »
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  • Quote from: CM
    Addendum:

    The reason I posted this information is because without knowing how to assert one's rights in the face of unjust public officials (especially in the light of the growing police state), parents are liable to have their kids taken away, or forced to accept ναccιnєs, or other such things that the government may decide to "legislate for the good of the people and the state".

    As for the whole "discharging one's debt", let me be clear that I am not endorsing that particular aspect.

    Again, I posted this so that people would have the knowledge and means to protect themselves from unjust public officials who may attempt "legally" to ruin their families.


    Oh, giver of all knowledge...... :heretic:


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    « Reply #5 on: August 14, 2010, 03:41:17 PM »
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  • Give it a rest.

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    « Reply #6 on: August 14, 2010, 06:34:40 PM »
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    Give it a rest.


    Mr Landry,
    I will NEVER give your posts a rest!  I want everyne to constantly have before their eyes your prideful and arrogant  replies on here.
    You think you are a great teacher, and that everyone has to listen to you to gain knowledge on ANY topic you choose to instruct on.
    My fathers ancestors followed Martin Luther, and became protestants.  He thought he was right also.  From an Augustianian mink, he bacame a heretic who has gone down in history as tearing millions of souls from the faith.  
    I doubt if you could  ever  attain to his notoriousness.  Most people laugh at you!  However, there might be some that would believe you!
    Matthew thinks everyone can see thru your nonsense.  Im not that sure!
    :heretic:

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    « Reply #7 on: August 14, 2010, 06:42:46 PM »
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  • Have it your way.  You have thus far said nothing of any substance anyway.  Perhaps you would venture to refute, according to reason, quoted Church teachings and proper debate principles, what you disagree with in my positions?


    ... I won't hold my breath.


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    « Reply #8 on: August 14, 2010, 09:11:48 PM »
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    Have it your way.  You have thus far said nothing of any substance anyway.  Perhaps you would venture to refute, according to reason, quoted Church teachings and proper debate principles, what you disagree with in my positions?


    ... I won't hold my breath.


    Im not going to argue with you on church pronouncements.  Thats just what you want........you want to make a fool of everyone here so you can "teach"
    If you see  something evil and heretical, and its against what you know to be church teaching.....to recognize it is all that matters.
    You dont need to be a lay theologian to defend the faith.  
    Im sorry you dont think I say anything of substance.  The only thing Im trying to get across is that you are a dangerous heretic, and that others should be aware and not click on your links.  All that Im trying to accomplish.
    :heretic:

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    « Reply #9 on: August 14, 2010, 09:14:20 PM »
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  • No.  You will not attempt to argue against me because your lack of orthodoxy would be exposed.

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    « Reply #10 on: August 14, 2010, 09:21:24 PM »
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    No.  You will not attempt to argue against me because your lack of orthodoxy would be exposed.


    Thats not true,
    I am a traditional Catholic that believes ALL the sacred truths which the Holy Catholic Church teaches.
    I just dont think you are worth arguing with.  I just really want to see you gone from here, and am trying to keep the forum alerted to your presence for the sake of newcomers.  
    :heretic:


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    « Reply #11 on: August 14, 2010, 09:24:01 PM »
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  • Oh, well because you say so, it must be true (sarcasm).  :idea:

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    « Reply #12 on: August 14, 2010, 09:35:21 PM »
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    Oh, well because you say so, it must be true (sarcasm).  :idea:


    Yaaaaaaaaaah......you got it! :smoke-pot: :dancing: :roll-laugh2:

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    « Reply #13 on: August 14, 2010, 09:46:56 PM »
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  • What I get is that you seem to want to have the last word even if there's nothing to it (which is always the case).

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    « Reply #14 on: August 16, 2010, 04:11:10 PM »
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  • How do we know 'what the Church teaches', if we have no Vicar of Christ on earth to guide us?

    Myrna's answer, that there has been no further public revelation from God to mankind since the death of the last Apostle, didn't seem to be an answer at all.


     

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