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The Biggest Deception
« on: December 16, 2021, 09:22:18 PM »
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    • Timely, on the heels of FE being freed from the ghetto and the person with the loosest view on EENS being banned I think it's time to talk about the biggest deception that will cost more souls than any other: Ecclesiology of V2. FE can be discussed in the open but just think: how many souls are endangered by clown ecclesiology vs how many souls are endangered by thinking the Earth is flat or round (I know what some people will argue here but FE/RE is downstream of something else while EENS is the source and entire ecclesiology flows from understanding of it)

    This issue, unlike FE, IMMEDIATELY has consequences for everyone's salvation. It's crazy how so many people come out of the woodwork to talk about FE but are completely bluepilled on EENS. Unlike FE, ecclesiology has ex cathedra statements that lay down the foundation but people say this needs to "be interpreted correctly". I think it's interesting, a topic that has no bearing on salvation is so heated but one that is absolutely essential rots in a "ghetto" and hasn't had posts in weeks. Food for thought.
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    Re: The Biggest Deception
    « Reply #1 on: December 16, 2021, 09:45:55 PM »
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    • I agree wholeheartedly, I can be on board with a EENS discussion but the FE issue was really starting to get boring especially when it was the only thing people were talking about for days. I was thinking when I was reading it, WHO CARES! God gave us this earth to live on and to save our souls, we shouldn't care and argue about its shape, it doesn't benefit us in any way.


    EENS does affect us, it relates to doctrine and the teaching of the church, souls are at stake here. Elevate the conversation topic.
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    Re: The Biggest Deception
    « Reply #2 on: December 16, 2021, 09:57:09 PM »
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    • Quote from: Romulus on December 16, 2021, 09:45:55 PM
    I agree wholeheartedly, I can be on board with a EENS discussion but the FE issue was really starting to get boring especially when it was the only thing people were talking about for days. I was thinking when I was reading it, WHO CARES! God gave us this earth to live on and to save our souls, we shouldn't care and argue about its shape, it doesn't benefit us in any way.


    EENS does affect us, it relates to doctrine and the teaching of the church, souls are at stake here. Elevate the conversation topic.
    If I was a peasant in the middle ages I wouldn't even be able to read a Bible or understand the Mass but I would be able to tell someone their sect wouldn't save them. It immediately has a profound effect on how someone views others and themselves and is THE reason for proselytizing. Now we can immediately read the Bible, a Missal or whatever but close to no one sees the immediate command to convert others. This is going to be controversial but the average person being able to read and write is a detriment, if this was the 1300s and I didn't know anything beyond working my field, praying Rosary at Mass, receiving the Eucharist once a year and having an enormous family I'd probably be temporally and spiritually better off than I am now. 
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    Re: The Biggest Deception
    « Reply #3 on: December 16, 2021, 10:13:52 PM »
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    • Quote from: bodeens on December 16, 2021, 09:57:09 PM
    If I was a peasant in the middle ages I wouldn't even be able to read a Bible or understand the Mass but I would be able to tell someone their sect wouldn't save them. It immediately has a profound effect on how someone views others and themselves and is THE reason for proselytizing. Now we can immediately read the Bible, a Missal or whatever but close to no one sees the immediate command to convert others. This is going to be controversial but the average person being able to read and write is a detriment, if this was the 1300s and I didn't know anything beyond working my field, praying Rosary at Mass, receiving the Eucharist once a year and having an enormous family I'd probably be temporally and spiritually better off than I am now.
    No, you wouldn't have. God placed us here in the 21st century because he knew we would have the best chance at saving our souls here and now. A friend told me this when I said the exact same thing and I was struck but its true. If God knew we would save our souls during the middle ages he would have put us there but he didn't.
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    Re: The Biggest Deception
    « Reply #4 on: December 16, 2021, 10:18:24 PM »
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    • Quote from: bodeens on December 16, 2021, 09:22:18 PM
    Timely, on the heels of FE being freed from the ghetto 
    Who is freeing Feeneyism from The Feeneyism Ghetto? I hope not :facepalm:
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    Re: The Biggest Deception
    « Reply #5 on: December 16, 2021, 11:17:16 PM »
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    • Quote from: TradMan80 on December 16, 2021, 10:18:24 PM
    Who is freeing Feeneyism from The Feeneyism Ghetto? I hope not :facepalm:

    You think FE stands for FEENEYISM?

    No, FE stands for Flat Earth. It also stands for Fisheaters (the super-liberal Catholic forum)
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    Re: The Biggest Deception
    « Reply #6 on: December 16, 2021, 11:20:08 PM »
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    • Quote from: Matthew on December 16, 2021, 11:17:16 PM
    You think FE stands for FEENEYISM?

    No, FE stands for Flat Earth. It also stands for Fisheaters (the super-liberal Catholic forum)
    Yes, I thought FE stood for Feeneyism. Thank you for the clarifications. Much appreciated.
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    Re: The Biggest Deception
    « Reply #7 on: December 17, 2021, 10:27:26 AM »
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    • Quote from: Romulus on December 16, 2021, 10:13:52 PM
    No, you wouldn't have. God placed us here in the 21st century because he knew we would have the best chance at saving our souls here and now. A friend told me this when I said the exact same thing and I was struck but its true. If God knew we would save our souls during the middle ages he would have put us there but he didn't.
    You're probably right, after all, the Internet proselytized me. Things are always more hopeful than they seem!
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    Re: The Biggest Deception
    « Reply #8 on: December 17, 2021, 10:43:22 AM »
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    • Quote from: Romulus on December 16, 2021, 09:45:55 PM
    I agree wholeheartedly, I can be on board with a EENS discussion but the FE issue was really starting to get boring especially when it was the only thing people were talking about for days. I was thinking when I was reading it, WHO CARES! God gave us this earth to live on and to save our souls, we shouldn't care and argue about its shape, it doesn't benefit us in any way.

    While I agree that there are more important issues for those of us who have the faith, I disagree that this does not matter.

    Millions upon millions (perhaps billions) of people have lost the faith due to "modern science".  Exposing FE would blow the lid off the entire deceit.  Just imagine if people realized how badly they've been lied to by the scientific-government establishment.  That would unmask them for who they are and what their agenda is.  Also, in an FE model it's much more difficult to believe that such a world evolved randomly rather than being the product of an Intelligent Designer.

    So maybe it doesn't matter so much to us, but it does matter ... to the millions who have lost the faith on account of modern science.
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    Re: The Biggest Deception
    « Reply #9 on: December 17, 2021, 10:45:36 AM »
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    • Quote from: Romulus on December 16, 2021, 09:45:55 PM
    EENS does affect us, it relates to doctrine and the teaching of the church, souls are at stake here. Elevate the conversation topic.

    Like with science, EENS doesn't effect those who are good Catholics and are inside the Church ... except to the extent that the errors about the subject generally lead to a warped ecclesiology.  But it does effect those outside the Church.  Same as with the FE issue.
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    Re: The Biggest Deception
    « Reply #10 on: December 17, 2021, 10:52:00 AM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on December 17, 2021, 10:43:22 AM
    While I agree that there are more important issues for those of us who have the faith, I disagree that this does not matter.

    Millions upon millions (perhaps billions) of people have lost the faith due to "modern science".  Exposing FE would blow the lid off the entire deceit.  Just imagine if people realized how badly they've been lied to by the scientific-government establishment.  That would unmask them for who they are and what their agenda is.  Also, in an FE model it's much more difficult to believe that such a world evolved randomly rather than being the product of an Intelligent Designer.

    So maybe it doesn't matter so much to us, but it does matter ... to the millions who have lost the faith on account of modern science.
    This is precisely what I thought about FE before actually delving into it and discovering that it is true; it serves well as a means to show that modern science is nothing but a total deception, and we have all fallen for it.

    Now I know without a doubt that NASA fakes everything, and that even space itself is, more likely than not, fake and gαy.
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    Re: The Biggest Deception
    « Reply #11 on: December 17, 2021, 11:05:46 AM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on December 17, 2021, 10:43:22 AM
    While I agree that there are more important issues for those of us who have the faith, I disagree that this does not matter.

    Millions upon millions (perhaps billions) of people have lost the faith due to "modern science".  Exposing FE would blow the lid off the entire deceit.  Just imagine if people realized how badly they've been lied to by the scientific-government establishment.  That would unmask them for who they are and what their agenda is.  Also, in an FE model it's much more difficult to believe that such a world evolved randomly rather than being the product of an Intelligent Designer.

    So maybe it doesn't matter so much to us, but it does matter ... to the millions who have lost the faith on account of modern science.
    Flat Earth doesn't have to be true to blow the lid off this though, all you have to do is prove we haven't been to the Moon or Mars and everything else falls apart. It's an absurd house of cards. Most people just aren't willing to make the jump to FE but the circuмstances surrounding the Moon and Mars are just too sketchy and there is a sort of popular consensus, especially surrounding the Moon, that the walk was fake. With this sort of thing I think it's essential to go for the lowest hanging fruit and let them work themselves up the vine. Family, friends and coworkers IRL hold these positions on Mars and the Moon because it's that easy to convince people, the amount of evidence is gargantuan. It's not like you just bring this up but people are curious. I recall the last job I had, I listened in on a group of 5 guys at the warehouse were talking casually and all thought that 9/11 was a fαℓѕє fℓαg, and these people were normal and not onto the JQ or anything like that, it just all seemed logical to them. The second people have a chance to escape their programming they will, which is why there is such an oppressive electronic control grid suppressing the truth in all subjects.
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    Re: The Biggest Deception
    « Reply #12 on: December 17, 2021, 11:56:20 AM »
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    • Quote from: bodeens on December 16, 2021, 09:22:18 PM

    Timely, on the heels of FE being freed from the ghetto and the person with the loosest view on EENS being banned I think it's time to talk about the biggest deception that will cost more souls than any other: Ecclesiology of V2. FE can be discussed in the open but just think: how many souls are endangered by clown ecclesiology vs how many souls are endangered by thinking the Earth is flat or round (I know what some people will argue here but FE/RE is downstream of something else while EENS is the source and entire ecclesiology flows from understanding of it)

    This issue, unlike FE, IMMEDIATELY has consequences for everyone's salvation. It's crazy how so many people come out of the woodwork to talk about FE but are completely bluepilled on EENS. Unlike FE, ecclesiology has ex cathedra statements that lay down the foundation but people say this needs to "be interpreted correctly". I think it's interesting, a topic that has no bearing on salvation is so heated but one that is absolutely essential rots in a "ghetto" and hasn't had posts in weeks. Food for thought.


    Bingo. Bullseye.

    You don't convince people of the Gospel and the truth of the necessity of the Catholic faith. You preach it, and let it work.  And its truth has been simply manifested throughout the ages for those with eyes to see - see Viva Cristo Rey's thread on Hiroshima, for example - https://www.cathinfo.com/catholic-living-in-the-modern-world/hiroshima-8/msg793646/?topicseen#msg793646

    Like dynamite, you simply light it and throw.

    The Lord will work what He wills to work.


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    [16] "The odour of death": The preaching of the apostle, which by its fragrant odour, brought many to life, was to others, through their own fault, the occasion of death; by their wilfully opposing and resisting that divine call.

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    Re: The Biggest Deception
    « Reply #13 on: December 17, 2021, 12:34:35 PM »
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    • Quote from: bodeens on December 16, 2021, 09:22:18 PM
    Timely, on the heels of FE being freed from the ghetto and the person with the loosest view on EENS being banned I think it's time to talk about the biggest deception that will cost more souls than any other: Ecclesiology of V2. FE can be discussed in the open but just think: how many souls are endangered by clown ecclesiology vs how many souls are endangered by thinking the Earth is flat or round (I know what some people will argue here but FE/RE is downstream of something else while EENS is the source and entire ecclesiology flows from understanding of it)

    This issue, unlike FE, IMMEDIATELY has consequences for everyone's salvation. It's crazy how so many people come out of the woodwork to talk about FE but are completely bluepilled on EENS. Unlike FE, ecclesiology has ex cathedra statements that lay down the foundation but people say this needs to "be interpreted correctly". I think it's interesting, a topic that has no bearing on salvation is so heated but one that is absolutely essential rots in a "ghetto" and hasn't had posts in weeks. Food for thought.

    Orestes Brownson 1874:

    "There can be no more fatal mistake than to soften, liberalize or latitudinize this terrible dogma, "Out of the Church there is no salvation... If we wish to convert Protestants and infidels we must preach in all its rigor the naked dogma.  Give them the smallest peg or what appears so, not to you, but to them;--- the smallest peg on which to hang a hope of salvation without being in or actually reconciled to the Church by the sacrament of Penance, and all the arguments you can address to them to prove the necessity of being in the Church in order to be saved will have no more effect on them than rain on a duck's back."
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    Re: The Biggest Deception
    « Reply #14 on: December 17, 2021, 12:46:44 PM »
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    • Quote from: Last Tradhican on December 17, 2021, 12:34:35 PM
    Orestes Brownson 1874:

    "There can be no more fatal mistake than to soften, liberalize or latitudinize this terrible dogma, "Out of the Church there is no salvation... If we wish to convert Protestants and infidels we must preach in all its rigor the naked dogma.  Give them the smallest peg or what appears so, not to you, but to them;--- the smallest peg on which to hang a hope of salvation without being in or actually reconciled to the Church by the sacrament of Penance, and all the arguments you can address to them to prove the necessity of being in the Church in order to be saved will have no more effect on them than rain on a duck's back."

    Great quote. Exactly what V2 and the Conciliar Church did - soften, liberalize, latitudinize the dogma, and I'd say the effect it had, except the CC doesn't even attempt to convert, but holds proselytism to be "sin" against ecuмenism.

    It's so preposterous, and yet there it is, for real.

    Wow.
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