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Offline TKGS

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Re: Francis approves same sex “blessings”
« Reply #15 on: December 18, 2023, 03:50:53 PM »
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  • Good.  This should remove any remaining doubt that intelligent people have about Bergoglio.
    As a friend told me, a lot of people will just resist harder!  :fryingpan:

    Offline Gunter

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    Re: Francis approves same sex “blessings”
    « Reply #16 on: December 18, 2023, 04:31:21 PM »
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  • My conservative novus ordo pal is already saying that the docuмent doesn't allow same sex blessings! 
    Does anyone have the actual docuмent?


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    Re: Francis approves same sex “blessings”
    « Reply #17 on: December 18, 2023, 04:37:04 PM »
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  • My conservative novus ordo pal is already saying that the docuмent doesn't allow same sex blessings!
    Does anyone have the actual docuмent?

    Fiducia Supplicans

    https://press.vatican.va/content/salastampa/it/bollettino/pubblico/2023/12/18/0901/01963.html#en

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    Re: Francis approves same sex “blessings”
    « Reply #18 on: December 18, 2023, 05:24:05 PM »
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  • My conservative novus ordo pal is already saying that the docuмent doesn't allow same sex blessings!
    Does anyone have the actual docuмent?

    Surprisingly, in his latest show about +Vigano, even Taylor Marshall has disparaged these types as "pope-splainers" where they're always trying to do gymnastics to salvage Bergoglio, admitting that he used to be one, but can no longer reconcile Bergoglio with Catholicism.

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    Re: Francis approves same sex “blessings”
    « Reply #19 on: December 18, 2023, 06:17:30 PM »
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  • That's an interesting development actually.  Haven't checked on Taylor Marshall in a very long time.


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    Re: Francis approves same sex “blessings”
    « Reply #20 on: December 18, 2023, 06:45:21 PM »
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  • Surprisingly, in his latest show about +Vigano, even Taylor Marshall has disparaged these types as "pope-splainers" where they're always trying to do gymnastics to salvage Bergoglio, admitting that he used to be one, but can no longer reconcile Bergoglio with Catholicism.

    He admitted that years ago.  As early as 2018, he did a video with Patrick Coffin & another man, talking about being "Red Pilled on Pope Francis" where they spoke of how they got tired of "pope-splaining" much earlier. 

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    Re: Francis approves same sex “blessings”
    « Reply #21 on: December 19, 2023, 01:38:17 AM »
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  • Blessing people whose basis for a relationship is mortal sin?  That’s blasphemous.  

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    Re: Francis approves same sex “blessings”
    « Reply #22 on: December 19, 2023, 02:43:34 AM »
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  • Fiducia Supplicans

    https://press.vatican.va/content/salastampa/it/bollettino/pubblico/2023/12/18/0901/01963.html#en
    From the text published by the Vatican:

    III. Blessings of Couples in Irregular Situations and of Couples of the Same Sex

    31. Within the horizon outlined here appears the possibility of blessings for couples in irregular situations and for couples of the same sex, the form of which should not be fixed ritually by ecclesial authorities to avoid producing confusion with the blessing proper to the Sacrament of Marriage. In such cases, a blessing may be imparted that not only has an ascending value but also involves the invocation of a blessing that descends from God upon those who—recognizing themselves to be destitute and in need of his help—do not claim a legitimation of their own status, but who beg that all that is true, good, and humanly valid in their lives and their relationships be enriched, healed, and elevated by the presence of the Holy Spirit.


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    Re: Francis approves same sex “blessings”
    « Reply #23 on: December 19, 2023, 05:02:59 AM »
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  • From the text published by the Vatican:

    III. Blessings of Couples in Irregular Situations and of Couples of the Same Sex

    31. Within the horizon outlined here appears the possibility of blessings for couples in irregular situations and for couples of the same sex, the form of which should not be fixed ritually by ecclesial authorities to avoid producing confusion with the blessing proper to the Sacrament of Marriage. In such cases, a blessing may be imparted that not only has an ascending value but also involves the invocation of a blessing that descends from God upon those who—recognizing themselves to be destitute and in need of his help—do not claim a legitimation of their own status, but who beg that all that is true, good, and humanly valid in their lives and their relationships be enriched, healed, and elevated by the presence of the Holy Spirit.
    A gαy couple wanting a blessing is far from recognizing themselves as destitute. This part of the docuмent is particularly stupid. If they wanted the grace to change their sinful ways then they would do what the church had long taught us to do. Go to confession and confess that they are WRONG. This docuмent practices so many mental gymnastics that it is nauseating. Bottom line is you can’t bless a relationship that is founded in sin. 
    They can spin the terminology of “blessing” all they want, but any priest who chooses to do this is committing a sacrilege. 
    Religion clean and undefiled before God and the Father, is this: to visit the fatherless and widows in their tribulation: and to keep one's self unspotted from this world.
    ~James 1:27

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    Re: Francis approves same sex “blessings”
    « Reply #24 on: December 19, 2023, 07:34:37 AM »
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  • Blessing people whose basis for a relationship is mortal sin?  That’s blasphemous. 
    Yes. It is.  Same with divorced and remarried too. 

    Bergolio and gang aren’t sorry for the sex abuse of children because they are moving forward to bless adults in sɛҳuąƖ relationships with children.  2015 Bergolio went out of way to promote sodomy with a former sodomite student and his lover. 

    The Church left us.  This is Pseudo Church of the communist United Nations. 

    Yes, there are pictures of Bergolio in Sspx chapels.   



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    Re: Francis approves same sex “blessings”
    « Reply #25 on: December 19, 2023, 07:39:35 AM »
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    “I shall not give the Church’s destroyers an easy conscience by handing over to them what belongs only to God, to the Faithful, to the Church of all time (1976)
    We believe and accept our faith as the only true faith in the world. All this confusion ends up in compromises, which destroy the Church’s doctrines, for the misfortune of mankind and the church alike.” (Archbishop Lefebvre, interview, 1978)
    “We know now with whom we have to deal. We know perfectly well that we are dealing with a “diabolical hand” which is located at Rome, and which is demanding, by obedience, the destruction of the Church! And this is why we have the right and the duty to refuse this obedience… I believe that I have the right to ask these gentlemen who present themselves in offices which were occupied by Cardinals… “Are you with the Catholic Church?” “Are you the Catholic Church?” “With whom am I dealing?” If I am dealing with someone who has a pact with Masonry, have I the right to speak with such a person? Have I the duty to listen to them and to obey them?” (Archbishop Lefebvre, 1978, Ordination Sermon, “Apologia Pro Marcel Lefebvre”, Vol. 2, p.209, Michael Davies)
    I have preached and done what the Church has always taught. I have never changed what the Church said in the Council of Trent and at the First Vatican Council. So who has changed? It is the enemy, as Pope St. Pius X said, the enemy who is working within the Church because he wants the Church to be finished with her tradition.” (Archbishop Lefebvre, Homily, Venice, April 7, 1980)
    “Yes, I am a rebel. Yes, I am a dissident. Yes, I am disobedient to people like those Bugninis. For they have infiltrated themselves into the Church in order to destroy it. There is no other explanation.” (Archbishop Lefebvre, Conference on the Infiltration of modernism in the Church, Montreal Canada, 1982)
    We therefore choose to keep it and we cannot be mistaken in clinging to what the Church has taught for two thousand years. The crisis is profound, cleverly organized and directed, and by this token one can truly believe that the master mind is not a man but Satan himself. For it is a master-stroke of Satan to get Catholics to disobey the whole of Tradition in the name of obedience […] St. Thomas Aquinas, to whom we must always refer, goes so far in the “Summa Theological” as to ask whether the “fraternal correction” prescribed by Our Lord can be exercised towards our superiors. After having made all the appropriate distinctions he replies: “One can exercise fraternal correction towards superiors when it is a matter of faith.” (Archbishop Lefebvre, “Open Letter to Confused Catholics”, 1986)
    You are working to dechristianize society and the Church, and we are working to Christianize them.” (Archbishop Lefebvre to Cardinal Ratzinger, 1987)
    “The See of Peter and the posts of authority in Rome are being occupied by anti-Christs, the destruction of the Kingdom of Our Lord is being rapidly carried out even in His Mystical Body here below… This is what has brought down upon our hearts persecution by the Rome of the anti-Christs. This Rome, Modernist and Liberal, is carrying on its work on the destruction of the Kingdom of Our Lord, as Assisi and the confirmation of the liberal theses of Vatican on Religious Liberty prove…” (Archbishop Lefebvre, Letter to the future Bishops, Aug 29, 1987)
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    “Rome has lost the Faith, my dear friends. Rome is in apostasy. These are not words in the air. It is the truth. Rome is in apostasy… They have left the Church… This is sure, sure, sure.” (Archbishop Lefebvre, Retreat Conference, September 4, 1987)
    The pope said that it was necessary to accept humanist ideas, that is was necessary to discuss such ideas; that it was necessary to have dialogs. At this stage, it is important to state that dialogs are contrary to the doctrines of the Catholic faith. Dialogs presuppose the coming together of two equal and opposing sides; therefore, in no way could (dialog) have anything to do with the Catholic faith. The Spotlight, a weekly newspaper in Washington, D.C., in its issue of July 18, 1988
    “And we must not waver for one moment either in not being with those who are in the process of betraying us. Some people are always admiring the grass in the neighbor’s field. Instead of looking to their friends, to the Church’s defenders, to those fighting on the battlefield, they look to our enemies on the other side. “After all, we must be charitable, we must be kind, we must not be divisive, after all, they are celebrating the Tridentine Mass, they are not as bad as everyone says” —but THEY ARE BETRAYING US —betraying us! They are shaking hands with the Church’s destroyers. They are shaking hands with people holding modernist and liberal ideas condemned by the Church. So they are doing the  devil’s work.” (Archbishop Lefebvre, Address to his priests, Econe, 1990)
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    Re: Francis approves same sex “blessings”
    « Reply #26 on: December 19, 2023, 07:43:52 AM »
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  • Bergolio and gang aren’t sorry for the sex abuse of children because they are moving forward to bless adults in sɛҳuąƖ relationships with children. 
    Sadly you could be right.

    While I feel sorrow in my heart over this situation, I have peace in my mind because doubts are removed and I know the restoration of the Church is near.

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    Re: Francis approves same sex “blessings”
    « Reply #27 on: December 19, 2023, 07:44:07 AM »
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  • May God bless you and keep you

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    Re: Francis approves same sex “blessings”
    « Reply #28 on: December 19, 2023, 10:11:41 AM »
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  • That's an interesting development actually.  Haven't checked on Taylor Marshall in a very long time.
    I don't trust Taylor Marshall at all.

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    Re: Francis approves same sex “blessings”
    « Reply #29 on: December 19, 2023, 10:41:40 AM »
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  • Do you think Arb Lefebvre would be a sedevacantist today?