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Title: Francis approves same sex “blessings”
Post by: Donan on December 18, 2023, 08:29:21 AM
https://apnews.com/article/vatican-lgbtq-pope-bfa5b71fa79055626e362936e739d1d8
Title: Re: Francis approves same sex “blessings”
Post by: DecemRationis on December 18, 2023, 09:28:04 AM


Ezechiel 13:22

22 Because with lies you have made the heart of the just to mourn, whom I have not made sorrowful: and have strengthened the hands of the wicked, that he should not return from his evil way, and live.

Pro eo quod moerere fecistis cor justi mendaciter, quem ego non contristavi : et confortastis manus impii, ut non reverteretur a via sua mala, et viveret :
Title: Re: Francis approves same sex “blessings”
Post by: josefamenendez on December 18, 2023, 09:33:56 AM
Time for everyone to start dropping the una cuм
Title: Re: Francis approves same sex “blessings”
Post by: 2Vermont on December 18, 2023, 09:40:20 AM
Time for everyone to start dropping the una cuм
Bingo.  
Title: Re: Francis approves same sex “blessings”
Post by: TheRealMcCoy on December 18, 2023, 09:42:52 AM
Good.  This should remove any remaining doubt that intelligent people have about Bergoglio.

Lord, have mercy.
Christ, have mercy.
Lord, have mercy.
Title: Re: Francis approves same sex “blessings”
Post by: Mithrandylan on December 18, 2023, 09:49:48 AM
But did he infallibly declare it? ;)
Title: Re: Francis approves same sex “blessings”
Post by: Soubirous on December 18, 2023, 09:59:47 AM
One more instance of shifting the Overton window, with the wording of the official statement including a sprinkle of confusion for plausible deniability. (Compare too, a few days ago Tucho claiming that "single mothers" merit Communion just like everyone else.)

Deflect the battle down to the local level where Fr. Nice can bicker with Mrs. Orans over whether Brad and Bruce can wear white when they show up for that "blessing". One more tactic to purge out of the parish any families still on the fence about Tradition. 
Title: Re: Francis approves same sex “blessings”
Post by: Everlast22 on December 18, 2023, 10:39:48 AM
Jorge Cornholio is kike, I'm almost certain of it. 
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Post by: Ladislaus on December 18, 2023, 10:46:04 AM
Good.  This should remove any remaining doubt that intelligent people have about Bergoglio.

Oh, it won't.  Bergoglio could explicitly deny the Holy Trinity and some would maintain that he's still the Vicar of Christ ... because they can't get past the fact that he's wearing a white cassock.
Title: Re: Francis approves same sex “blessings”
Post by: Ladislaus on December 18, 2023, 10:47:42 AM
Jorge Cornholio is kike, I'm almost certain of it.

Jorge Cornholio ... that rather fits.

https://www.lastampa.it/vatican-insider/en/2013/11/14/news/pope-francis-ranked-among-this-year-s-50-most-prominent-jews-1.35955863/
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Pope Francis ranked among this year’s 50 most prominent Jews

https://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4356432,00.html
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World Jews welcome Pope Francis
Title: Re: Francis approves same sex “blessings”
Post by: Jr1991 on December 18, 2023, 11:06:48 AM
Oh, it won't.  Bergoglio could explicitly deny the Holy Trinity, and some would maintain that he's still the Vicar of Christ ... because they can't get past the fact that he's wearing a white cassock.
Bergoglio could massacre and sodomize a few thousand in St. Peter’s Square, and you would have people including the SSPX who would say “Oh, let's pray for the Holy Father; he was having a bad day; he didn't mean it” 
Title: Re: Francis approves same sex “blessings”
Post by: Barry on December 18, 2023, 12:38:45 PM
But did he infallibly declare it? ;)
No.  Only a true pope can make infallible declarations.
Title: Re: Francis approves same sex “blessings”
Post by: ElwinRansom1970 on December 18, 2023, 01:14:17 PM
But did he infallibly declare it? ;)
:laugh2:
Title: Re: Francis approves same sex “blessings”
Post by: ElwinRansom1970 on December 18, 2023, 01:18:12 PM
Rabbi Berg (aka Jorge Cornholio 😂) is not and never has been the Bishop of Rome with all the entails.
Title: Re: Francis approves same sex “blessings”
Post by: MiracleOfTheSun on December 18, 2023, 02:06:39 PM
Pope Cornholio the 1st.  It gets ever more weird.  Just glad I don't believe in Cornholio as a True Vicar.
Title: Re: Francis approves same sex “blessings”
Post by: TKGS on December 18, 2023, 03:50:53 PM
Good.  This should remove any remaining doubt that intelligent people have about Bergoglio.
As a friend told me, a lot of people will just resist harder!  :fryingpan:
Title: Re: Francis approves same sex “blessings”
Post by: Gunter on December 18, 2023, 04:31:21 PM
My conservative novus ordo pal is already saying that the docuмent doesn't allow same sex blessings! 
Does anyone have the actual docuмent?
Title: Re: Francis approves same sex “blessings”
Post by: Angelus on December 18, 2023, 04:37:04 PM
My conservative novus ordo pal is already saying that the docuмent doesn't allow same sex blessings!
Does anyone have the actual docuмent?

Fiducia Supplicans

https://press.vatican.va/content/salastampa/it/bollettino/pubblico/2023/12/18/0901/01963.html#en
Title: Re: Francis approves same sex “blessings”
Post by: Ladislaus on December 18, 2023, 05:24:05 PM
My conservative novus ordo pal is already saying that the docuмent doesn't allow same sex blessings!
Does anyone have the actual docuмent?

Surprisingly, in his latest show about +Vigano, even Taylor Marshall has disparaged these types as "pope-splainers" where they're always trying to do gymnastics to salvage Bergoglio, admitting that he used to be one, but can no longer reconcile Bergoglio with Catholicism.
Title: Re: Francis approves same sex “blessings”
Post by: MiracleOfTheSun on December 18, 2023, 06:17:30 PM
That's an interesting development actually.  Haven't checked on Taylor Marshall in a very long time.
Title: Re: Francis approves same sex “blessings”
Post by: PAT317 on December 18, 2023, 06:45:21 PM
Surprisingly, in his latest show about +Vigano, even Taylor Marshall has disparaged these types as "pope-splainers" where they're always trying to do gymnastics to salvage Bergoglio, admitting that he used to be one, but can no longer reconcile Bergoglio with Catholicism.

He admitted that years ago.  As early as 2018, he did a video with Patrick Coffin & another man, talking about being "Red Pilled on Pope Francis" where they spoke of how they got tired of "pope-splaining" much earlier. 
Title: Re: Francis approves same sex “blessings”
Post by: Seraphina on December 19, 2023, 01:38:17 AM
Blessing people whose basis for a relationship is mortal sin?  That’s blasphemous.  
Title: Re: Francis approves same sex “blessings”
Post by: Confiteor Deo on December 19, 2023, 02:43:34 AM
Fiducia Supplicans

https://press.vatican.va/content/salastampa/it/bollettino/pubblico/2023/12/18/0901/01963.html#en
From the text published by the Vatican:

III. Blessings of Couples in Irregular Situations and of Couples of the Same Sex

31. Within the horizon outlined here appears the possibility of blessings for couples in irregular situations and for couples of the same sex, the form of which should not be fixed ritually by ecclesial authorities to avoid producing confusion with the blessing proper to the Sacrament of Marriage. In such cases, a blessing may be imparted that not only has an ascending value but also involves the invocation of a blessing that descends from God upon those who—recognizing themselves to be destitute and in need of his help—do not claim a legitimation of their own status, but who beg that all that is true, good, and humanly valid in their lives and their relationships be enriched, healed, and elevated by the presence of the Holy Spirit.
Title: Re: Francis approves same sex “blessings”
Post by: jen51 on December 19, 2023, 05:02:59 AM
From the text published by the Vatican:

III. Blessings of Couples in Irregular Situations and of Couples of the Same Sex

31. Within the horizon outlined here appears the possibility of blessings for couples in irregular situations and for couples of the same sex, the form of which should not be fixed ritually by ecclesial authorities to avoid producing confusion with the blessing proper to the Sacrament of Marriage. In such cases, a blessing may be imparted that not only has an ascending value but also involves the invocation of a blessing that descends from God upon those who—recognizing themselves to be destitute and in need of his help—do not claim a legitimation of their own status, but who beg that all that is true, good, and humanly valid in their lives and their relationships be enriched, healed, and elevated by the presence of the Holy Spirit.
A gαy couple wanting a blessing is far from recognizing themselves as destitute. This part of the docuмent is particularly stupid. If they wanted the grace to change their sinful ways then they would do what the church had long taught us to do. Go to confession and confess that they are WRONG. This docuмent practices so many mental gymnastics that it is nauseating. Bottom line is you can’t bless a relationship that is founded in sin. 
They can spin the terminology of “blessing” all they want, but any priest who chooses to do this is committing a sacrilege. 
Title: Re: Francis approves same sex “blessings”
Post by: Viva Cristo Rey on December 19, 2023, 07:34:37 AM
Blessing people whose basis for a relationship is mortal sin?  That’s blasphemous. 
Yes. It is.  Same with divorced and remarried too. 

Bergolio and gang aren’t sorry for the sex abuse of children because they are moving forward to bless adults in sɛҳuąƖ relationships with children.  2015 Bergolio went out of way to promote sodomy with a former sodomite student and his lover. 

The Church left us.  This is Pseudo Church of the communist United Nations. 

Yes, there are pictures of Bergolio in Sspx chapels.   



Title: Re: Francis approves same sex “blessings”
Post by: Viva Cristo Rey on December 19, 2023, 07:39:35 AM
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(https://avangelista.files.wordpress.com/2014/10/archbishop-marcel-lefebvre1.jpg?w=474&h=550)
“I shall not give the Church’s destroyers an easy conscience by handing over to them what belongs only to God, to the Faithful, to the Church of all time (1976)
We believe and accept our faith as the only true faith in the world. All this confusion ends up in compromises, which destroy the Church’s doctrines, for the misfortune of mankind and the church alike.” (Archbishop Lefebvre, interview, 1978)
“We know now with whom we have to deal. We know perfectly well that we are dealing with a “diabolical hand” which is located at Rome, and which is demanding, by obedience, the destruction of the Church! And this is why we have the right and the duty to refuse this obedience… I believe that I have the right to ask these gentlemen who present themselves in offices which were occupied by Cardinals… “Are you with the Catholic Church?” “Are you the Catholic Church?” “With whom am I dealing?” If I am dealing with someone who has a pact with Masonry, have I the right to speak with such a person? Have I the duty to listen to them and to obey them?” (Archbishop Lefebvre, 1978, Ordination Sermon, “Apologia Pro Marcel Lefebvre”, Vol. 2, p.209, Michael Davies)
I have preached and done what the Church has always taught. I have never changed what the Church said in the Council of Trent and at the First Vatican Council. So who has changed? It is the enemy, as Pope St. Pius X said, the enemy who is working within the Church because he wants the Church to be finished with her tradition.” (Archbishop Lefebvre, Homily, Venice, April 7, 1980)
“Yes, I am a rebel. Yes, I am a dissident. Yes, I am disobedient to people like those Bugninis. For they have infiltrated themselves into the Church in order to destroy it. There is no other explanation.” (Archbishop Lefebvre, Conference on the Infiltration of modernism in the Church, Montreal Canada, 1982)
We therefore choose to keep it and we cannot be mistaken in clinging to what the Church has taught for two thousand years. The crisis is profound, cleverly organized and directed, and by this token one can truly believe that the master mind is not a man but Satan himself. For it is a master-stroke of Satan to get Catholics to disobey the whole of Tradition in the name of obedience […] St. Thomas Aquinas, to whom we must always refer, goes so far in the “Summa Theological” as to ask whether the “fraternal correction” prescribed by Our Lord can be exercised towards our superiors. After having made all the appropriate distinctions he replies: “One can exercise fraternal correction towards superiors when it is a matter of faith.” (Archbishop Lefebvre, “Open Letter to Confused Catholics”, 1986)
You are working to dechristianize society and the Church, and we are working to Christianize them.” (Archbishop Lefebvre to Cardinal Ratzinger, 1987)
“The See of Peter and the posts of authority in Rome are being occupied by anti-Christs, the destruction of the Kingdom of Our Lord is being rapidly carried out even in His Mystical Body here below… This is what has brought down upon our hearts persecution by the Rome of the anti-Christs. This Rome, Modernist and Liberal, is carrying on its work on the destruction of the Kingdom of Our Lord, as Assisi and the confirmation of the liberal theses of Vatican on Religious Liberty prove…” (Archbishop Lefebvre, Letter to the future Bishops, Aug 29, 1987)
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The pope said that it was necessary to accept humanist ideas, that is was necessary to discuss such ideas; that it was necessary to have dialogs. At this stage, it is important to state that dialogs are contrary to the doctrines of the Catholic faith. Dialogs presuppose the coming together of two equal and opposing sides; therefore, in no way could (dialog) have anything to do with the Catholic faith. The Spotlight, a weekly newspaper in Washington, D.C., in its issue of July 18, 1988
“And we must not waver for one moment either in not being with those who are in the process of betraying us. Some people are always admiring the grass in the neighbor’s field. Instead of looking to their friends, to the Church’s defenders, to those fighting on the battlefield, they look to our enemies on the other side. “After all, we must be charitable, we must be kind, we must not be divisive, after all, they are celebrating the Tridentine Mass, they are not as bad as everyone says” —but THEY ARE BETRAYING US —betraying us! They are shaking hands with the Church’s destroyers. They are shaking hands with people holding modernist and liberal ideas condemned by the Church. So they are doing the  devil’s work.” (Archbishop Lefebvre, Address to his priests, Econe, 1990)
Auxilium Christianorum, ora pro nobis

Title: Re: Francis approves same sex “blessings”
Post by: TheRealMcCoy on December 19, 2023, 07:43:52 AM
Bergolio and gang aren’t sorry for the sex abuse of children because they are moving forward to bless adults in sɛҳuąƖ relationships with children. 
Sadly you could be right.

While I feel sorrow in my heart over this situation, I have peace in my mind because doubts are removed and I know the restoration of the Church is near.
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Post by: Viva Cristo Rey on December 19, 2023, 07:44:07 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/JgmhS3G.png)
Title: Re: Francis approves same sex “blessings”
Post by: Mysterium Fidei on December 19, 2023, 10:11:41 AM
That's an interesting development actually.  Haven't checked on Taylor Marshall in a very long time.
I don't trust Taylor Marshall at all.
Title: Re: Francis approves same sex “blessings”
Post by: Mysterium Fidei on December 19, 2023, 10:41:40 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/JgmhS3G.png)
Do you think Arb Lefebvre would be a sedevacantist today?
Title: Re: Francis approves same sex “blessings”
Post by: Meg on December 19, 2023, 10:44:05 AM
One more instance of shifting the Overton window, with the wording of the official statement including a sprinkle of confusion for plausible deniability. (Compare too, a few days ago Tucho claiming that "single mothers" merit Communion just like everyone else.)

Deflect the battle down to the local level where Fr. Nice can bicker with Mrs. Orans over whether Brad and Bruce can wear white when they show up for that "blessing". One more tactic to purge out of the parish any families still on the fence about Tradition.

Yes, agreed. And then there's the problem of what will happen if a priest or bishop refuses to "bless" a sodomite relationship. It's likely that Francis will remove him. It'll mean more cancelled priests and bishops.
Title: Re: Francis approves same sex “blessings”
Post by: TheRealMcCoy on December 19, 2023, 11:09:19 AM
Well I foolishly ventured out into social media today, which I rarely do, to see what the golden horde is saying about this.  The general consensus is that the "Catholic Taliban" have not read the docuмent and therefore don't understand.  How can one bless sodomy?

Thank goodness most of these presbyters that will impart these blessings are not real priests.  So at least there won't be as many sacrileges committed.
Title: Re: Francis approves same sex “blessings”
Post by: Meg on December 19, 2023, 11:26:16 AM
Well I foolishly ventured out into social media today, which I rarely do, to see what the golden horde is saying about this.  The general consensus is that the "Catholic Taliban" have not read the docuмent and therefore don't understand.  How can one bless sodomy?

Thank goodness most of these presbyters that will impart these blessings are not real priests.  So at least there won't be as many sacrileges committed.

Since they are not real priests, then it's of no use in worrying or being concerned about anything that goes on in the conciliar church. Might as well delete this thread. 
Title: Re: Francis approves same sex “blessings”
Post by: Viva Cristo Rey on December 19, 2023, 12:06:45 PM
https://www.dallasnews.com/news/faith/2023/12/19/catholics-lgbtq-advocates-disagree-on-popes-decision-on-same-sex-blessings/

John 2:15 

Douay-Rheims Bible (https://biblehub.com/drbc/1_john/2.htm)
Love not the world, nor the things which are in the world. If any man love the world, the charity of the Father is not in him. 
Title: Re: Francis approves same sex “blessings”
Post by: Viva Cristo Rey on December 19, 2023, 12:13:22 PM
SSPX needs to take down the un puppet’s picture from their chapels. 

It shows that the sspx can not discern from what is right from wrong by gradually joining the NO. 

Do we choose obedience to God or the devil?   Many Catholics choose evil instead of good.  The new evangelization was not to evangelize.  

In regards to Archbishop Lefebvre, he did his best to follow God instead of man. 



Title: Re: Francis approves same sex “blessings”
Post by: Cera on December 19, 2023, 02:47:51 PM
Yes, agreed. And then there's the problem of what will happen if a priest or bishop refuses to "bless" a sodomite relationship. It's likely that Francis will remove him. It'll mean more cancelled priests and bishops.
Yes, that seems to be the plan.
Title: Re: Francis approves same sex “blessings”
Post by: Gunter on December 19, 2023, 03:01:39 PM
Can it be asked, but what if a gαy couple approaches Trad clergy in union with Francis for a "blessing".  Is the priest in schism with the Pope?
Title: Re: Francis approves same sex “blessings”
Post by: Soubirous on December 19, 2023, 03:31:56 PM
Can it be asked, but what if a gαy couple approaches Trad clergy in union with Francis for a "blessing".  Is the priest in schism with the Pope?

Fiducia supplicans (https://press.vatican.va/content/salastampa/it/bollettino/pubblico/2023/12/18/0901/01963.html#en) refrains from specifying what the form of the "blessing" should be, only that it be simple and "pastoral" in its intent, directed toward the genuine good of souls.... :confused: :smirk: ::)

Thus, any priest who finds himself faced with such a request can make use of a few choice verses from one of the Imprecatory Psalms and be done with it. 
A fitting fix, no? :incense:
Title: Re: Francis approves same sex “blessings”
Post by: Gunter on December 19, 2023, 03:53:22 PM
Can mobsters get a blessing?
Title: Re: Francis approves same sex “blessings”
Post by: Angelus on December 19, 2023, 06:00:34 PM
The SSPX official response

https://fsspx.news/en/news/communique-superior-general-sspx-41522

Title: Re: Francis approves same sex “blessings”
Post by: Viva Cristo Rey on December 19, 2023, 07:17:43 PM
“Francis invites 120 transgenders for lunch

On Sunday, November 19, 2023, Pope Francis commemorated the “World Day of the Poor” with more than 1,000 guests whom he invited to the Paul VI Hall in the Vatican. He offered his guests food catered and served by Hilton.

Among the invitees were about 120 transgender “women” who "work" as prostitutes at the beach city of Torvaianica, 20 miles from Rome on the Mediterranean West Coast of Italy.

He placed two of these prostitutes as guests of honor at his table, occupying the center of the table across from his place. Above, we see the Pope speaking with great attention to his two transgender guests, who are wearing magenta and gray blouses.

It is another landmark in Francis' growing promotion of ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity in its more radical form: the professional prostitution of transgender “women.”

If having a Vicar of Christ honoring this monstrous vice at the See of Peter will not cause God's vengeance to strike, we do not know what can.

In the four first rows below, we see scenes from the event as well as the names of the two “women” at the Pope's table.

In the fifth row, one of those prostitutes speaks to a AP reporter. In the sixth and seventh rows we see other transgenders placed at different tables in the Hall. 

From the eighth row to the end we see photos from a video by Patricia Thomas, a AP reporter who travelled in one of the buses with the group of transgender prostitutes from Torvaianica to the Vatican and captured some expressions of Francis’ guests before their arrival at the meal.”  Tradition in action
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Post by: Twice dyed on December 19, 2023, 07:34:49 PM
Sad day for humanity. 
https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/pope-francis-same-sex-couples-1.7062404
The official docuмent says this blessing is not at all intended for Same-sex Marriages..So what does Rev James Martin say? 3/4 down the news clip, he says he will be happy to bless Same-sex MARRIAGES!!These modernists can't read!  :facepalm:
Title: Re: Francis approves same sex “blessings”
Post by: Jr1991 on December 19, 2023, 08:01:47 PM
The SSPX official response

https://fsspx.news/en/news/communique-superior-general-sspx-41522
Now, Pags will go out to dinner with Bergoglio, and both will have a good laugh about it all. Can we now have a personal prelature Holy Father?
Title: Re: Francis approves same sex “blessings”
Post by: Viva Cristo Rey on December 19, 2023, 08:02:07 PM
These “couples” have zero intention of ever repenting of their sins.  Those in  mortal sin can’t be blessed period. Of course satan gives his blessings.  Same with divorced and remarried.  Mortal sin can’t be blessed.  These people need an exorcism.  If they were to go to confession, they should be corrected and refused absolution until they are sincerely sorry for their sins.  There is no justifying this at all.  Read your bibles.  People will be leaving the Catholic Church because the church hierarchy turned their backs on God.   Can you blame them? 
Only satan blesses mortal sin. 


Church is for the sick who want to heal and get better.  These people want to spread their sickness and send many to hell.  

God’s marriage is one male and one female forever period. 



Title: Re: Francis approves same sex “blessings”
Post by: Jr1991 on December 19, 2023, 08:04:34 PM
It's only a matter of time before we see these “blessings” in public. The obligatory Novus Ordo applauds will accompany them.
Title: Re: Francis approves same sex “blessings”
Post by: Jr1991 on December 19, 2023, 08:10:52 PM
SSPX needs to take down the un puppet’s picture from their chapels. 

It shows that the sspx can not discern from what is right from wrong by gradually joining the NO. 

Do we choose obedience to God or the devil?  Many Catholics choose evil instead of good.  The new evangelization was not to evangelize. 

In regards to Archbishop Lefebvre, he did his best to follow God instead of man.
While I agree they will never do it. It's all about the money for the SSPX. 
Title: Re: Francis approves same sex “blessings”
Post by: Jr1991 on December 20, 2023, 12:51:56 AM
The Novus Ordo Church is in full spin mode. And don’t try to comment on their forum because, most likely, they will censor you.

https://www.ncregister.com/commentaries/did-pope-francis-authorize-priests-to-bless-same-sex-unions
Title: Re: Francis approves same sex “blessings”
Post by: TheRealMcCoy on December 20, 2023, 02:30:01 AM
Since they are not real priests, then it's of no use in worrying or being concerned about anything that goes on in the conciliar church. Might as well delete this thread.
 I'm quite surprised that you feel this way. Why does it not disturb you?
Title: Re: Francis approves same sex “blessings”
Post by: Viva Cristo Rey on December 20, 2023, 03:55:02 AM
Oh, it won't.  Bergoglio could explicitly deny the Holy Trinity and some would maintain that he's still the Vicar of Christ ... because they can't get past the fact that he's wearing a white cassock.
Bergolio has denied the Holy Trinity many times.  This the time of advent all Bergolio can do is think of promoting sodomy as the norm within the Church. Within novus Ordo, there are same sex parishes along with blessings, same sex weddings.  This is about the Vatican in phases making it church law.

It’s a huge distraction to advent. 

Bergolio and his buddies serve satan. 

Advent is about the birth of Jesus Christ.  
Title: Re: Francis approves same sex “blessings”
Post by: MaterDominici on December 20, 2023, 04:43:53 AM
The Novus Ordo Church is in full spin mode. And don’t try to comment on their forum because, most likely, they will censor you.

https://www.ncregister.com/commentaries/did-pope-francis-authorize-priests-to-bless-same-sex-unions
Look on the bright side, they're not defending it in a "yay for ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs" way, but rather in a "that's not what it means" fashion. Are they too nice? Sure. But, at least those praising the thought of Catholic same-sex unions are still a minority group even in the mainstream NO church.
Title: Re: Francis approves same sex “blessings”
Post by: Gunter on December 20, 2023, 05:08:13 AM
Look on the bright side, they're not defending it in a "yay for ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs" way, but rather in a "that's not what it means" fashion. Are they too nice? Sure. But, at least those praising the thought of Catholic same-sex unions are still a minority group even in the mainstream NO church.
The new modernist schismatic rite slips further and further into errors.   Same path as the protestants. Not Catholic not valid. 
Title: Re: Francis approves same sex “blessings”
Post by: 2Vermont on December 20, 2023, 06:33:59 AM
As a friend told me, a lot of people will just resist harder!  :fryingpan:
Yes.  I just saw elsewhere someone repeating the "Resist Francis to his face like Paul did to Peter" nonsense.  What blasphemy. 
Title: Re: Francis approves same sex “blessings”
Post by: Soubirous on December 20, 2023, 11:13:29 AM
Calendar dates to note (with credit to various social media people yesterday):

18 December 2023: Fiducia supplicans issued re "blessings" policy
18 December 2022: Pavone laicized (hold for a moment whatever opinion on Pavone, the pattern's below*)
18 December 2021: Roche issues responsa ad dubia more explicitly repressive than Traditionis custodes

now compare:

17 December: Bergoglio's birthday
18 December: Feast of the Expectation of the Blessed Virgin Mary (https://www.virgosacrata.com/expectation-of-the-blessed-virgin-mary.html)

Too, last week on the Feast of Our Lady of Guadalupe (n.b., the image on the tilma depicts the Blessed Mother in gravida shortly before Our Lord's birth) he announces on TV (https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/256261/pope-francis-says-that-he-wants-to-be-buried-in-marian-basilica-in-new-interview) that he wants to be buried not in the Vatican but rather in the Basilica of Santa Maria Maggiore; he gives as his reason his great devotion to Our Lady.... 

Coincidental timing or deliberate signaling.

* Pavone was laicized supposedly for disobedience, but ask any conservatish novusordite and the answer will be that he was laicized for being too anti-abortion for the Vatican's & USCCB's patience.
Title: Re: Francis approves same sex “blessings”
Post by: Texana on December 20, 2023, 12:06:27 PM
Calendar dates to note (with credit to various social media people yesterday):

18 December 2023: Fiducia supplicans issued re "blessings" policy
18 December 2022: Pavone laicized (hold for a moment whatever opinion on Pavone, the pattern's below*)
18 December 2021: Roche issues responsa ad dubia more explicitly repressive than Traditionis custodes

now compare:

17 December: Bergoglio's birthday
18 December: Feast of the Expectation of the Blessed Virgin Mary (https://www.virgosacrata.com/expectation-of-the-blessed-virgin-mary.html)

Too, last week on the Feast of Our Lady of Guadalupe (n.b., the image on the tilma depicts the Blessed Mother in gravida shortly before Our Lord's birth) he announces on TV (https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/256261/pope-francis-says-that-he-wants-to-be-buried-in-marian-basilica-in-new-interview) that he wants to be buried not in the Vatican but rather in the Basilica of Santa Maria Maggiore; he gives as his reason his great devotion to Our Lady....

Coincidental timing or deliberate signaling.

* Pavone was laicized supposedly for disobedience, but ask any conservatish novusordite and the answer will be that he was laicized for being too anti-abortion for the Vatican's & USCCB's patience.
Dear Soubirous,
You make very good observations about Bergoglio's timing.  He is diabolically obsessed with Our Lady and Her Feastdays.  He always tries to out-shine Her, but he never will; and that knowledge is a knife in his gut, twisting for eternity.
Title: Re: Francis approves same sex “blessings”
Post by: OABrownson1876 on December 20, 2023, 01:57:13 PM
The docuмent, Fiducia Supplicans, like all modernist literature, conflates the two terms, "couples in irregular situations" and "same-sex couples."  A man who marries a Mormon woman in the sacristy because she agrees to rear the children Catholic is an "irregular couple." The canon law commentary calls such arrangements "irregular marriages."

Two men are not a "couple" at all, because they cannot fulfill the necessary matter of the sacrament. To use the term "couple" with same-sex individuals is misleading. The television and Hollyweird refer to ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs as couples, and it is only the modernist heretics who distort the original meaning of the term. 

It is sort of like conflating "dirty water" and "motor oil" when referring to the sacrament of Baptism.  One is valid and the other is ipso facto invalid. But to refer to both substances as "irregular" is confusing because the language implies that motor oil is valid matter for baptism.

This Cardinal Fernandez (the co-author Prefect, clearly a SWEETIE PIE), is just playing the same modernist game which we have been fed for the past fifty years.