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Offline Nooseph Polten

Re: St. Joan of arc and feminism
« Reply #5 on: July 19, 2017, 04:00:19 PM »
Quote from: shin on July 19, 2017, 04:07:05 AM
FWIW. God will often choose people powerless and completely unsuited to various tasks. This we can see for example, with the apostles, common fishermen, with David vs. Goliath, with Noah building an Ark, with Abraham in eldest age having children, and so forth.  He does this to demonstrates that it was not by the natural power of a person that one thing or another was accomplished -- In St. Joan's case, putting an end to the Hundred Years' war.

They're an example of the work of God.

Are Abraham and Sarah an example that you should wait till you're 90-100 to have children? Is Noah an example that everyone should ordinarily build giant boats in the middle of dry land? Or David an example that featherweights should go fight to the death vs. heavyweights?

No. Therefore the exceptional nature of the matter shows it's the work of God, His direct intervention. What was accomplished was by the power of God, St. Joan was the sign this was the case because she was just a young maiden, for whom leading an army to success in war was not something she could in any way accomplish, or something at all reasonable a circuмstance to place a young maiden in, save by divine fiat or one might suppose the most unusual and hard to imagine absolute necessity.

Whenever she did things that were not normally proper for her state it was with proper extenuating circuмstances, and in a way that still was not intrinsically immoral, but properly exceptional however unusual.

That modern people raised in a degenerate society take her as a role model for various immoral actions and roles for women is their own fault.

Remember that God designed the Church, government, and the family, and everything inbetween all to be patriarchies. Patriarchy is good. You'll find the natural roles more surviving in places where corrupt entertainment has not filtered in as greatly, much criticized for it Middle Eastern countries, etc.
You made some good points. However, it seems that St. Joan of Arc makes it extremely difficult to combat feminism. If I try to say that there are different natural roles for women and men, a feminist can just say "What about St. Joan of Arc?", and I don't have much of a response to make, because there is no clear answer about this case. She can easily be used as their "ace in the hole" to promote gender equality, and it seems that there is no clear rebuttal. This is why I can't fight liberal gender equality too much, because if God is apparently fine with women serving in the military, then where is the line drawn between men's and women's proper place? Why would God make an example that contradicts them?
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Offline jvk

Re: St. Joan of arc and feminism
« Reply #6 on: July 19, 2017, 06:38:57 PM »
How about this for a thought?  St Joan of Arc, to my knowledge, never fought in the actual battles.  She led the charges, and was at the forefront, yes, but I don't think she carried a sword for killing.  At least as far as I know she never killed anyone.  And then, too, she was maidenly and modest.  She was feminine (not FeminIST), and by her very femininity inspired and led her soldiers to act as true Catholic men.  I don't think that there was ever any rough language or swearing in her camps--certainly not in her presence!  And all the soldiers attended Mass and Confession following her example. 

Perhaps there is someone more knowledgeable about her life than me that could elaborate on it more.
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Offline poche

Re: St. Joan of arc and feminism
« Reply #7 on: July 20, 2017, 02:18:42 AM »
Joan of Arc (French: Jeanne d'Arc,[5] IPA: [ʒan daʁk]; 6 January c. 1412[6] – 30 May 1431), nicknamed "The Maid of Orléans" (French: La Pucelle d'Orléans), is considered a heroine of France for her role during the Lancastrian phase of the Hundred Years' War and was canonized as a Roman Catholic saint. Joan of Arc was born to Jacques d'Arc and Isabelle Romée, a peasant family, at Domrémy in north-east France. Joan said she received visions of the ArchangelMichael, Saint Margaret, and Saint Catherine of Alexandria instructing her to support Charles VII and recover France from English domination late in the Hundred Years' War. The uncrowned King Charles VII sent Joan to the siege of Orléans as part of a relief mission. She gained prominence after the siege was lifted only nine days later. Several additional swift victories led to Charles VII's coronation at Reims. This long-awaited event boosted French morale and paved the way for the final French victory.
On 23 May 1430, she was captured at Compiègne by the Burgundian faction, which was allied with the English. She was later handed over to the English[7] and put on trial by the pro-English Bishop of Beauvais Pierre Cauchon on a variety of charges.[8] After Cauchon declared her guilty she was burned at the stake on 30 May 1431, dying at about nineteen years of age.[9]
In 1456, an inquisitorial court authorized by Pope Callixtus III examined the trial, debunked the charges against her, pronounced her innocent, and declared her a martyr.[9] In the 16th century she became a symbol of the Catholic League, and in 1803 she was declared a national symbol of France by the decision of Napoleon Bonaparte.[10] She was beatifiedin 1909 and canonized in 1920. Joan of Arc is one of the nine secondary patron saints of France, along with Saint Denis, Saint Martin of Tours, Saint Louis, Saint Michael, Saint Rémi, Saint Petronilla, Saint Radegund and Saint Thérèse of Lisieux.
Joan of Arc has remained a popular figure in literature, painting, sculpture, and other cultural works since the time of her death, and many famous writers, filmmakers and composers have created works about her. Cultural depictions of herhave continued in films, theater, television, video games, music, and performances to this day.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joan_of_Arc
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Offline Nooseph Polten

Re: St. Joan of arc and feminism
« Reply #8 on: July 20, 2017, 05:33:26 PM »
Quote from: jvk on July 19, 2017, 06:38:57 PM
How about this for a thought?  St Joan of Arc, to my knowledge, never fought in the actual battles.  She led the charges, and was at the forefront, yes, but I don't think she carried a sword for killing.  At least as far as I know she never killed anyone.  
So you think women should be commanders or generals in the military?
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Offline jvk

Re: St. Joan of arc and feminism
« Reply #9 on: July 20, 2017, 08:55:56 PM »
I think most women are better fitted to be at home baking cookies and changing diapers.

I think that St. Joan of Arc was called by God to fulfill a special mission, which she did in as feminine a way as possible.  All women are called to sanctity.  Some as wives and mothers, others as nuns, and others as single women.  All women are called to fulfill their God-given gender roles in a modest manner, imitating the Blessed Mother as much as they can.  And St. Joan of Arc obviously did this or the church would not have declared her a saint. 

Radical Feminists are evil women spewing their liberal poison everywhere, desecrating the holy and sacred calling of motherhood.  And they have obviously spilled their poison over onto the Saints, now, too.
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