Author Topic: Pius XII and WW2 - Pius the liberal and Roncalli the conservative (Read 5547 times)

tdrev123 · « **Reply #30 on:** November 08, 2019, 04:44:40 PM »

Quote from: Sigismund on November 08, 2019, 02:52:37 PM

Saving Jews from dying and opposing the nαzιs Makes Pius XII bad? You are a malevolent fool.

Saving jews from what? Do you actually believe in the h0Ɩ0h0αx? And the h0Ɩ0cαųst narrative didn't even show up until the 1960s and at the show trial Nuremberg. You think falsifying baptisms is Catholic? Jews are the enemies of Christ! Don't you think the Vatican could have done some to help catholics? Like support the Axis powers which were 80% catholic.

tdrev123 · « **Reply #31 on:** November 08, 2019, 04:49:29 PM »

Quote from: Sigismund on November 08, 2019, 04:44:20 PM

All of Europe would have been swallowed up by the nαzιs. Perhaps much of the rest of the world as well. However, that is only one problem with the OP. Suggesting that The Pope saving lives, any lives, is somehow evil is at best stupid, and more likely malicious. Hence malevolent fool.

Hitler tried with all his might to not hurt the British Empire, he never wanted war with England.
And swallowed up? You mean instead having half be communist and half non Christian countries? As opposed to a regime which got rid of pornography and indecent shows, banned transgenderism, banned masonic societies, banned abortion, had the greatest and most just catholic economy known to man, supported ethnocentric countries, banned liberalism and communism.
You are the fool, read some books.
Quit being a brainwashed moron.

Nadir · « **Reply #32 on:** November 08, 2019, 05:06:24 PM »

Quote from: tdrev123 on November 08, 2019, 04:44:40 PM

Saving jews from what? Do you actually believe in the h0Ɩ0h0αx?

There is a wide gap between the two issues here. I don't believe in the h0Ɩ0h0αx, but I also know that there were many Jews in desparate straits and in need of rescuing from evil forces. Not to say there were not evil Jews who brought much suffering into Germany, but there were innocent ones who were victims of circuмstances. I don't believe we can judge Pius XII byt the standards of scholarship and knowledge we have today. People were in need and he did what a Christian does in such circuмstances.

Ladislaus · « **Reply #33 on:** November 08, 2019, 05:17:24 PM »

Quote from: poche on November 07, 2019, 10:50:05 PM

Actually Pope Pius X presided over an ecuмenical meeting when he had that interview with Herzl.

That was no ecuмenical meeting, you slanderous baboon. That was an audience he granted to Herzl. Talking with a non-Catholic is not the same as an ecuмenical meeting. Stop trying to tar and feather St. Pius X as some kind of precursor to the Vatican II heresiarchs.

This was the audience at which St. Pius X REJECTED Herzl's plea that the Vatican support the Jews' retaking of the Holy Land.

St. Pius X:

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Yes, but we, and I as the head of the Church, cannot do this. There are two possibilities. Either the Jews will cling to their faith and continue to await the Messiah who, for us, has already appeared. In that case they will be denying the divinity of Jesus and we cannot help them. Or else they will go there without any religion, and then we can be even less favorable to them.

The Jєωιѕн religion was the foundation of our own; but it was superseded by the teachings of Christ, and we cannot concede it any further validity. The Jews, who ought to have been the first to acknowledge Jesus Christ, have not done so to this day.

Would Bergoglio ever say such a thing ... or even Pius XII for that matter?

Quo vadis Domine · « **Reply #34 on:** November 08, 2019, 06:27:05 PM »

Quote from: tdrev123 on November 06, 2019, 08:34:13 PM

https://codoh.com/library/docuмent/2452/?lang=en

This old article was written by Mary Ball Martinez. I knew before about how Pius XII was trying to help the Christ killers and he favored the allies, but the details are disturbing. Martinez shows how Roncalli was not on board with Pius XII dissent and betrayal of Catholics.

She is a horrible and untrustworthy authoress. She claimed that many popes were Freemasons and that Pope Pius IX was a Freemason. This had been refuted in his own lifetime and he was greatly offended by the accusation. She used Freemasonic writers to back up her claim instead of using Catholic authors. I wouldn’t touch her trashy books with a ten foot pole.

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