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If Pope Pius XII had put St. Joseph in the Canon, what would you have done?

I would accept the change and attend St. Joseph Masses
19 (61.3%)
I would not accept the change and would attend only dissident non-St. Joseph Masses
1 (3.2%)
I would accept the change and attend either St. Joseph Masses or non-St. Joseph Masses
11 (35.5%)

Total Members Voted: 31

Voting closed: February 03, 2024, 11:15:00 AM

Author Topic: Pius XII and St. Joseph in the Canon of the Mass  (Read 62640 times)

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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Pius XII and St. Joseph in the Canon of the Mass
« Reply #210 on: February 12, 2024, 05:41:40 AM »
Stubborn is now promoting the principles of Antiquarianism, which is precisely what the Liturgical Deformers at the time of Vatican II did.  It just keeps getting better, as we watch him cut off his nose to spite his face.

Pius XII, Mediator Dei:
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The sacred liturgy does, in fact, include divine as well as human elements. The former, instituted as they have been by God, cannot be changed in any way by men. But the human components admit of various modifications, as the needs of the age, circuмstance and the good of souls may require, and as the ecclesiastical hierarchy, under guidance of the Holy Spirit, may have authorized.
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It follows from this that the Sovereign Pontiff alone enjoys the right to recognize and establish any practice touching the worship of God, to introduce and approve new rites, as also to modify those he judges to require modification.

You should read the entirety of that Encyclical, since it debunks 90% of the nonsense you've been spewing here.

Offline Stubborn

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Re: Pius XII and St. Joseph in the Canon of the Mass
« Reply #211 on: February 12, 2024, 07:59:06 AM »
Stubborn is now promoting the principles of Antiquarianism, which is precisely what the Liturgical Deformers at the time of Vatican II did.  It just keeps getting better, as we watch him cut off his nose to spite his face.

Pius XII, Mediator Dei:
You should read the entirety of that Encyclical, since it debunks 90% of the nonsense you've been spewing here.
Dear Mr. Intellectual, you have no idea what you're talking about. :facepalm:


Offline Stubborn

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Re: Pius XII and St. Joseph in the Canon of the Mass
« Reply #212 on: February 12, 2024, 09:44:09 AM »
Dear Mr. Intellectual, you have no idea what you're talking about. :facepalm:
It is apparent this needs to be explained to you.

You can quote popes all day long stating that they can :
"...introduce and approve new rites, as also to modify those he judges to require modification."

And I can quote Pope St. Pius V all day long stating that nobody of "whatever ecclesiastical dignity" is permitted to add, omit or change anything in the missal. If anything ever needed to be modified, in Quo Primum he said he already did it. The law of Quo Primum is to preserve that missal. Period.





Re: Pius XII and St. Joseph in the Canon of the Mass
« Reply #213 on: February 12, 2024, 11:20:00 AM »
How then could Pope Clement VIII issue this bull in 1604 changing the same Missal of St Pius V?

Offline Stubborn

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Re: Pius XII and St. Joseph in the Canon of the Mass
« Reply #214 on: February 12, 2024, 11:55:46 AM »
How then could Pope Clement VIII issue this bull in 1604 changing the same Missal of St Pius V?
Did you read the Bull? He says through the years the missal had many errors due to printing or whatever, so he re-edited the corrupted missal so that is was put back to the original of Pope St. Pius V. He did not invent a new rite or change it.

From your link....."Although he very severely forbade under many penalties that anything should be added to it, or that anything for any reason be removed from it, nevertheless, in the course of time, it has come to pass that, through the rashness and boldness of the printers, or of others, many errors have crept into the missals which have been produced in recent years....

...Having considered these innovations, in Our pastoral solicitude which induces us to earnestly protect and preserve in everything and especially in the sacred rites of the Church the best and old norm, We have ordered in the first place that the above mentioned printed Missals, so corrupted, be banned and declared null and void and that their use be disallowed in the celebration of the Mass, unless they be entirely and in everything emended according to the original text published under Pius V...."