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Offline DigitalLogos

Michael Knowles on miscarriage and IVF
« on: August 05, 2022, 05:22:11 PM »
He makes a lot of good points and even, commendably, discusses the huge moral issues surrounding IVF, which is ignored by some among the "pro-life" crowd.

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Offline Dingbat

Re: Michael Knowles on miscarriage and IVF
« Reply #1 on: August 05, 2022, 06:14:27 PM »
Quote from: DigitalLogos on August 05, 2022, 05:22:11 PM
He makes a lot of good points and even, commendably, discusses the huge moral issues surrounding IVF, which is ignored by some among the "pro-life" crowd.


Secular pro-lifers who actually want to remain consistent with their pro-life positions reject both rape exceptions and IVF. Some of them seem somewhat positive towards "ethical" IVF, in which only one embryo is fertilized at a time. Of course, as Catholics we have to reject IVF in either presentation. That being said, were I not Catholic, I would worry even about the survival rate of any embryo that was intentionally placed via IVF. The typical Pro-life position I see says that life begins at conception. Even atheist pro-lifers hold this opinion being that it is backed by science. Somewhat ironic given that your average baby-killer practically views science as religion. 
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Offline DigitalLogos

Re: Michael Knowles on miscarriage and IVF
« Reply #2 on: August 05, 2022, 06:38:21 PM »
Quote from: Dingbat on August 05, 2022, 06:14:27 PM
Even atheist pro-lifers hold this opinion being that it is backed by science. Somewhat ironic given that your average baby-killer practically views science as religion.
Unsurprising, as even an idiot can come to the conclusion that a fertilized embryo will become a child, and nothing else but a child.
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Offline Dingbat

Re: Michael Knowles on miscarriage and IVF
« Reply #3 on: August 05, 2022, 07:02:15 PM »
Quote from: DigitalLogos on August 05, 2022, 06:38:21 PM
Unsurprising, as even an idiot can come to the conclusion that a fertilized embryo will become a child, and nothing else but a child.
I would go so far as to say any idiot can come to the conclusion that a fertilized embryo is a human. Arguing that it will become a child is something that the pro-death crowd likes to do. They assign "personhood" to every human besides the unborn ones, and say that being a human is different from being a person. This is part of how they can justify putting the mother's comfort over the child's life. After all, it isn't really a person. It's a "potential" person. 
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Offline DigitalLogos

Re: Michael Knowles on miscarriage and IVF
« Reply #4 on: August 05, 2022, 07:07:14 PM »
Quote from: Dingbat on August 05, 2022, 07:02:15 PM
I would go so far as to say any idiot can come to the conclusion that a fertilized embryo is a human. Arguing that it will become a child is something that the pro-death crowd likes to do. They assign "personhood" to every human besides the unborn ones, and say that being a human is different from being a person. This is part of how they can justify putting the mother's comfort over the child's life. After all, it isn't really a person. It's a "potential" person.
Indeed. I guess I wasn't giving them enough credit to make such distinctions.
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