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Re: Marijuana use sinful for Catholics?
« Reply #330 on: March 14, 2022, 11:56:04 AM »
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  • sedevacantism and potheadism are both novelties born of the last century. Nothing traditional about them. 
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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    Re: Marijuana use sinful for Catholics?
    « Reply #331 on: March 14, 2022, 11:59:13 AM »
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  • Right. MJ is actually a sede issue.


    :jester:

    It's sad that Meg's paranoia about sedevacantism is so debilitating that one might say it causes in her some cognitive impairment.  Meg gets triggered by the mere mention of "sede".


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    Re: Marijuana use sinful for Catholics?
    « Reply #332 on: March 14, 2022, 12:01:01 PM »
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  • Mark has provided a solid argument for his position which has been met with scorn and strawmen. He hasn't advocated for degenerate usage, and attacks (from both sides) on one's state in life and character are uncharitable and anti-Christ.
    Mark 79 has been met with "scorn and attacks", Mark79 who wrote:

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    In your case (Last Tradhican), I support mandatory vaccination.
    With a rabies infested dog to depict LT and saying he supports government killing of LT because he is a rabies infested dog. Yeah, the writer DigitalLogos  is going to follow his "expert advice".

    Those that have eyes to see, let them see.

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    Re: Marijuana use sinful for Catholics?
    « Reply #333 on: March 14, 2022, 12:06:57 PM »
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  • LT wrote: "What is the purpose of smoking marijuana, confusing the mind?"

    For one, it can help settle the mind of those with anxiety disorders (and I mean neurological, not those who experience the "feeling" once in a while) who live in a constant state of "confusion" already.
    Sorry about that everybody, I meant to write: What is the purpose of smoking marijuana for recreation, confusing the mind? For I have not said one word about medicinal usage one way or the other.

    What is the purpose of smoking marijuana for recreation, confusing the mind?

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    Re: Marijuana use sinful for Catholics?
    « Reply #334 on: March 14, 2022, 12:11:07 PM »
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  • Mark 79 has been met with "scorn and attacks", Mark79 who wrote:
    With a rabies infested dog to depict LT and saying he supports government killing of LT because he is a rabies infested dog. Yeah, the writer DigitalLogos  is going to follow his "expert advice".

    Those that have eyes to see, let them see.
    Poor baby. Your idiotic inference and failure to appreciate the apt humor is not me "supporting government killing," but I'll give it some thought—mandatory rabies vaccines for frothing Pharisees and obsessive sede bashers?… hmmm… maybe you are on to something.


    :jester:

    I'll see your "eyes that see" and raise you three "blind guides" (Meg, Tradrabies, GTD).


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    Re: Marijuana use sinful for Catholics?
    « Reply #335 on: March 14, 2022, 12:11:13 PM »
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  • It's sad that Meg's paranoia about sedevacantism is so debilitating that one might say it causes in her some cognitive impairment.  Meg gets triggered by the mere mention of "sede".
    Big let down there, you should know better than to you jump in with a gang of cowards who gain their courage from the group to attack Meg. I jumped into this thread precisely because of that ganging up on Meg. 

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    Re: Marijuana use sinful for Catholics?
    « Reply #336 on: March 14, 2022, 12:14:47 PM »
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  • Big let down there, you should know better than to you jump in with a gang of cowards who gain their courage from the group to attack Meg. I jumped into this thread precisely because of that ganging up on Meg.

    Thank you, LT. You are indeed a gentleman. 

    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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    Re: Marijuana use sinful for Catholics?
    « Reply #337 on: March 14, 2022, 12:16:26 PM »
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  • Unclear why you'd use NBC News as your serious evidence.

    I found the relevant article.  No surprise that NBC News sensationalizes a rather weak article.

    I'll do a deeper review, but my preliminary read finds that the "meta-analysis" makes a great show talking about THC as a CB1 agonist, but both pure THC and whole plant MJ stimulate all the endocannabinoid receptors (though in greatly varying degrees), some of which counterbalance CB1 effects. Then throughout the paper the authors mention "CB1 agonist," but do not make clear whether they used a pharmaceutical or the plant or both. I have already mentioned that MJ patients consistently report inferior benefit from pharmaceutical monotherapies.

    The study also confesses the "heterogeneity" of the subjects involved, so admit that the subjects and their dosages were so diverse that numerous confounding factors (race, age of use, concurrent alcohol or other substances, etc.) undercut their admittedly "low" Confidence Intervals.

    It's interesting, but weak. I'll do a deeper review.
    Just a reminder.


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    Re: Marijuana use sinful for Catholics?
    « Reply #338 on: March 14, 2022, 12:18:03 PM »
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  • Big let down there, you should know better than to you jump in with a gang of cowards who gain their courage from the group to attack Meg. I jumped into this thread because of that ganging up on Meg.

    1) I don't jump in and takes sides of an issue to act like a "White Knight" when someone is being ganged up on.  I call each issue as I see it, regardless of the person making the point.  In fact, I look at each issue in isolation and don't try to turn even something like this topic in to an SV vs. R&R debate.  I've agreed and disagreed with both sedevacantists and R&R, depending on the issue.

    2) It was Meg who decided to turn this into another smear against SVs.

    3) I've called her out before for her irrational contempt toward and paranoia about sedevacantism.  EVERY SINGLE TIME she disagrees with someone on any issue who happens to also be a sedevacantist, she attributes the disagreement to sedevacantism.

    4) My post was a combination of #3 above here and also a joke in that she made a post about cognitive impairment from marijuana.

    No need for you to "jump in" and play "White Knight" to rescue the damsel in distress.

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    Re: Marijuana use sinful for Catholics?
    « Reply #339 on: March 14, 2022, 12:19:55 PM »
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  • 1) I don't jump in and takes sides of an issue to act like a "White Knight" when someone is being ganged up on.  I call each issue as I see it, regardless of the person making the point.  In fact, I look at each issue in isolation and don't try to turn even something like this topic in to an SV vs. R&R debate.  I've agreed and disagreed with both sedevacantists and R&R, depending on the issue.

    2) It was Meg who decided to turn this into another smear against SVs.

    3) I've called her out before for her irrational contempt toward and paranoia about sedevacantism.  EVERY SINGLE TIME she disagrees with someone on any issue who happens to also be a sedevacantist, she attributes the disagreement to sedevacantism.

    4) My post was a combination of #3 above here and also a joke in that she made a post about cognitive impairment from marijuana.

    No need for you to "jump in" and play "White Knight" to rescue the damsel in distress.

    It wasn't me who brought up the sede issue. It was Digital Logos. If he hadn't brought it up, I wouldn't have said anything about it. But now I see a correlation. Both Sedism and potheadism are novelities, supported by supposed trads. Hm...

    Interesting that all of those who protect The Bully are sedes.

    This thread will probably be locked soon. Poor Mark79 is being criticized. We can't have that. 
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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    Re: Marijuana use sinful for Catholics?
    « Reply #340 on: March 14, 2022, 12:23:26 PM »
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  • Poor baby. Your idiotic inference and failure to appreciate the apt humor is not me "supporting government killing," but I'll give it some thought—mandatory rabies vaccines for frothing Pharisees and obsessive sede bashers?… hmmm… maybe you are on to something.:jester:

    I'll see your "eyes that see" and raise you three "blind guides" (Meg, Tradrabies, GTD).
    The more people like M79 write, the more others will know what they are dealing with. Very few people will say anything that disagrees with M79's because they are afraid to fall into the same wrath and ridicule that Meg has stepped into. It is best to just leave them alone. Anyone that listens to him after seeing this thread will learn from their mistake sooner or later.


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    Re: Marijuana use sinful for Catholics?
    « Reply #341 on: March 14, 2022, 12:30:06 PM »
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  • Unclear why you'd use NBC News as your serious evidence.

    I found the relevant article.  No surprise that NBC News sensationalizes a rather weak article.

    I'll do a deeper review, but my preliminary read finds that the "meta-analysis" makes a great show talking about THC as a CB1 agonist, but both pure THC and whole plant MJ stimulate all the endocannabinoid receptors (though in greatly varying degrees), some of which counterbalance CB1 effects. Then throughout the paper the authors mention "CB1 agonist," but do not make clear whether they used a pharmaceutical or the plant or both. I have already mentioned that MJ patients consistently report inferior benefit from pharmaceutical monotherapies.

    The study also confesses the "heterogeneity" of the subjects involved, so admit that the subjects and their dosages were so diverse that numerous confounding factors (race, age of use, concurrent alcohol or other substances, etc.) undercut their admittedly "low" Confidence Intervals.

    It's interesting, but weak. I'll do a deeper review.
    I should also mention that:

    • people die from aspirin, but that doesn't stop us from using it medically

    • the meta-analysis confined itself to chronic use

    So,

    • even if (BIG "if") the article is on target, "low" risk with chronic use may be overcome by huge benefit

    • even if (BIG "if") chronic use has low risk, acute ("recreational") use may even be risk-free.

    I'll add this—MJ is more studied than any drug in the pharmacy and still questions remain, so we have a choice:
    make practices in accord with the preponderance of the best available evidence
    OR
    as the rabies faction here, completely ignore the evidence.

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    Re: Marijuana use sinful for Catholics?
    « Reply #342 on: March 14, 2022, 12:30:57 PM »
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  • Thank you, LT. You are indeed a gentleman.
    You are welcome, but know that I would do the same for a man and even for an enemy. Only cowards gang up on others, they get their courage from the group. A real man does not need a gang to fight others. 

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    Re: Marijuana use sinful for Catholics?
    « Reply #343 on: March 14, 2022, 12:31:35 PM »
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  • …Poor Mark79 is being criticized. We can't have that.
    I have not objected to being criticized.

    I objected to you trying to drag my children into your target zone.… and you have the hypocrisy to complain about cowards and bullies.

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    Re: Marijuana use sinful for Catholics?
    « Reply #344 on: March 14, 2022, 12:32:40 PM »
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  • No need for you to "jump in" and play "White Knight" to rescue the damsel in distress.
    B.S. - you should have kept quiet.