I find it curious that someone thought he needed to reveal a member's alleged MJ use.
Objectively, was there really a "need" to reveal this, to supposedly "warn" others?
It's part of being on a forum to figure out if posts are correct or incorrect. And we can probably also determine if the poster was baked or plastered at the time he wrote the post. And if not, then it's just another post, no?
Sick cartoons bro.Your wording makes me wonder if I've been talking to you in some of the flat Earther live debates :laugh1:
I find it curious that someone thought he needed to reveal a member's alleged MJ use.
Objectively, was there really a "need" to reveal this, to supposedly "warn" others?
Good luck in the future when the great persecution starts. Hopefully you won't be one of the first Catholics to cave.Brb... Adding you guys to our prayer list lol...
Stanley has been banned for his disrespectful outburst against the moderator of the forum. Even his "fellow teammates" on Team Globe Earth haven't had a problem keeping a modicuм of respect for the Moderator, even as the content of their posts contradicts him pretty much 100% of the time. No matter. They manage to control their emotions.Plenty of people on this forum have had issues keeping a "modicuм of respect" for the other posters on this forum, including you, the moderator.
He is so wrapped up in proving the mainstream globe earth "outer space" paradigm, that he lowered himself to the tactic of the Liberals "I'm offended by that -- on behalf of those people" when it doesn't affect you at all.
A comedian was joking about prosthetic legs, and a lady came up to him after the show saying she was offended by that "bit" in his act. He asked if she had a family member with a prosthetic leg. No. He asked a few more questions -- no, she had no reason to be offended. She was just offended FOR them. Then an English guy came up to the comedian, pulled up his pantleg showing his prosthetic leg, and said "That bit about the prosthetics? Bloody brilliant!"
Why would Stanley fall for this obvious error? This behavior that every CathInfo member hates, and we criticize all the time when liberals do it? Because "roscoe" seemed to be coming into the debate on his side. It's a team sport for him. I guess it's not about getting to the truth, having an open mind? It's all "Rah Rah My Team".
Marion, Dankward, roscoe, Quo Vadis Domine, etc. are still here. Your argument is invalid.Actually that plays directly into my argument. Again, you are only banning people for going off on you, not each other. But again, you have no issues throwing insults to people. Clearly it is not an issue that Stanley was being mean, just that he was mean to you. Why is that? Again, you insulted him first. He responded. Before that, the discussion was entirely on the subject matter and not personal.
there are several other members who have been equally uncharitable to each other and this sets the goalpost for taking them offline as well. I'm not asking for that mind you. But it is definitely convenient that the only person being banned today is being banned for a tiff with the mod. :popcorn:
At the risk of walking into the “beaten zone”*** of someone else's firefight, I'll point out that there is overwhelming scientific evidence for the medical benefits of marijuana.Although this is off topic, it seems there are contradictory views for many reasons:
Risk? As it has been increasingly legalized, it is no longer a "gateway [to the criminal world] drug." There are some reports that some heart attacks occur within an hour of ingestion, but so far I have seen no confirmation of causality. While enemies of MJ correctly note the presence of carcinogens in MJ smoke (but not vapor), they are confounded because MJ smokers have lower rates of cancer than non-smokers. With "vaping" and "edibles" there is no smoke involved.
Benefits are legion: pain, nausea, seizures, cancer, spasticity, bone density, inflammatory bowel disease, auto-immune disorders… etc.
Our inherent endocannabinoid system is quite interesting and helps explain the pharmacologic effects of phytocannabinoids.
Yes, the loss of inhibition is a potential [dose-related] and serious problem. Risk and benefit must be carefully weighed as Catholics have done for two millennia in the case of alcohol.
Lest anyone get suspicious or cast accusations—I am NOT an MMJ patient or recreational user, but I do advocate its appropriate use.
***Machine gunners here know that the "beaten zone" is the impact area of the machine gun’s cone of fire.
(https://nationalinterest.org/sites/default/files/styles/desktop__1260_/public/main_images/0wj6zlzk8zh31.jpg?itok=xLGI_MHd)
"Dare ga... Marku-nanjuuku san ?"
Although this is off topic, it seems there are contradictory views for many reasons:
Recreational use of Marijuana1. Opens the soul to demonic influence.
2. Weakens moral judgement
3. Promotes immorality
4. Fosters narcissism
5. Leads to moral pessimism
6. Is socially and morally divisive
7. Promotes laziness toward Catholic works
8. Promotes disobedience to priests and the Church
9. Promotes disobedience to secular authority
10. Is a safety issue for children who's parents use.
11. Causes neglect, and abuse of children by parents who use
12. Dulls sense of guilt and is counter to Sacrament of Confession
13. Profanes the reception of the Eucharist
14. Is falsely equated with moderate use of alcohol
15. Often leads to use of other drugs
16. Promotes secrecy and leads to animosity
17. Promotes other crime
18. Often destroys relationships
19. Impedes the desire to attain heaven
20. Leads to a liberal and worldly mindset
21. Retards emotions
22. Wastes opportunities for good
23 Impedes Christ's mandate to evangelize
24 Denies Scripture's command to stay sober
25 Denies the modest conduct of Our Lady
26 Leads to the unforgivable sin of despair
27 Is often its own object of worship
28. Causes certain kinds of brain damage
29. Often leads to other addictions
30. Inhibits holiness
31. Is well founded in paganism, abhorred in Christendom
32. Is proven by all the above to be a "sacrament" of the diabolic
This list is by no means exhaustive, barely even scratches the surface. After it exceeded 21, I figured this was enough to get the picture. If anyone disagrees, present your argument. Whatever you do, don't smoke weed, rather, do penance for the salvation of souls.
I have a sibling who has been addicted to marijuana for 30 years. I can attest that the above is true. Except that I would add that extreme laziness and lack of motivation to do ANYTHING is one of the main problems with marijuana use. At this time my sibling is in danger of being homeless......again. We've taken him in to live with us several times, but he never changes. He won't give up the pot.Sorry to hear that. My brother, too, was a huge pothead. He split from his wife, left his 3 kids, wound up in jail multiple times for all types of drug use and now lives in the forest in Oregon somewhere. He believes he is a liaison between the devil and God and is no longer Catholic. For years I said the daily rosary with him. What a loss!
(A) I am not interested in a protracted argument on a matter that is as "settled" as anything gets in medicine.
(B) I carefully distinguished between medical and recreational use.
(C) I noted the risks, physical and spiritual.
(D) The calculation of risk/benefit needs to be individualized.
Although this is off topic, it seems there are contradictory views for many reasons:
Recreational use of Marijuana1. Opens the soul to demonic influence.
2. Weakens moral judgement
3. Promotes immorality
1-3: Potential loss of inhibition is dose-related, just as it is with alcohol. It is a manageable risk, just as it is with alcohol.
4. Fosters narcissism
5. Leads to moral pessimism
4-5: Gratuitous, subjective, evidence-free assertions that I reject.
6. Is socially and morally divisive
6: Freeing slaves was socially and morally divisive and it was the right thing to do.
7. Promotes laziness toward Catholic works
7: Gratuitous, subjective, evidence-free assertion that I reject.
8. Promotes disobedience to priests and the Church
8: Rubbish. There is no authoritative proscription explicit to MJ. MJ must be considered under the same moral theology as alcohol.
9. Promotes disobedience to secular authority
9: What part of "increasingly legalized" and "no longer a gateway to criminal world" don't you understand?
10. Is a safety issue for children who's parents use.
11. Causes neglect, and abuse of children by parents who use
10-11: Gratuitous, subjective, evidence-free assertion that I reject. Cf. alcohol.
12. Dulls sense of guilt and is counter to Sacrament of Confession
12: Potential loss of inhibition is dose-related, just as it is with alcohol. It is a manageable risk, just as it is with alcohol.
13. Profanes the reception of the Eucharist
13: If an honest risk/benefit assessment makes its use sinless, there is no profanation.
14. Is falsely equated with moderate use of alcohol
14: CORRECT! Medically, alcohol is much less beneficial and much more toxic.
15. Often leads to use of other drugs
15: Long argued. Largely related to an illegal substance being obtained from criminals.
16. Promotes secrecy and leads to animosity
17. Promotes other crime
18. Often destroys relationships
19. Impedes the desire to attain heaven
20. Leads to a liberal and worldly mindset
21. Retards emotions
16-21: Gratuitous, subjective, evidence-free assertions that I reject.
22. Wastes opportunities for good
22: Using a beneficial medicine increases opportunities for good.
23 Impedes Christ's mandate to evangelize
23: Gratuitous, subjective, evidence-free assertion that I reject.
24 Denies Scripture's command to stay sober
24: As with alcohol.
25 Denies the modest conduct of Our Lady
26 Leads to the unforgivable sin of despair
27 Is often its own object of worship
25-27: Gratuitous, subjective, evidence-free assertion that I reject.
28. Causes certain kinds of brain damage
28: Benefits certain types of "brain damage," e.g., multiple sclerosis, dystonias, et al.
29. Often leads to other addictions
25: see #15. Argument from Repetition.
30. Inhibits holiness
30: see #'s 1-3, 7-8, 12-13, 22-27. Argument from Repetition.
31. Is well founded in paganism, abhorred in Christendom
31: Pagans also breathe air and eat food. Ad hominem/guilt by association.
32. Is proven by all the above to be a "sacrament" of the diabolic
32: see #'s 1-31
This list is by no means exhaustive, barely even scratches the surface. After it exceeded 21, I figured this was enough to get the picture. If anyone disagrees, present your argument. Whatever you do, don't smoke weed, rather, do penance for the salvation of souls.
No. Your list is not exhaustive, just exhausting in its repetition of logical fallacies and utter lack of evidence.
Yes. Do penance.
I have a sibling .…
…My brother, too, was a huge pothead.… tempted to do bigger drugs. Since no one can do that, people ought to hush up about the use marijuana and it's gateway to hell.
Anecdotal. And I did give you a thumbs-down on that one.
Why am I not surprised? ;) Of course you gave a thumbs down. I wouldn't expect anything less.
Subjective personal experience is quite often anecdotal. No surprise there.
… it is still QUITE controversial in Catholic circles…
The relevant moral theology is not controversial.
Only weighting the risk/benefits is "controversial," though less controversial by the day.
I am quite happy to let Meg and Tradman be teetotalers of both MJ and alcohol (gotta be consistent!) and I will pray for the rescue of their "pothead" loved ones.
Although this is off topic, it seems there are contradictory views for many reasons:The above is a personal opinion & does not come from any legal Church Authority. Can MJ be abused?-- of course.. :popcorn:
Recreational use of Marijuana1. Opens the soul to demonic influence.
2. Weakens moral judgement
3. Promotes immorality
4. Fosters narcissism
5. Leads to moral pessimism
6. Is socially and morally divisive
7. Promotes laziness toward Catholic works
8. Promotes disobedience to priests and the Church
9. Promotes disobedience to secular authority
10. Is a safety issue for children who's parents use.
11. Causes neglect, and abuse of children by parents who use
12. Dulls sense of guilt and is counter to Sacrament of Confession
13. Profanes the reception of the Eucharist
14. Is falsely equated with moderate use of alcohol
15. Often leads to use of other drugs
16. Promotes secrecy and leads to animosity
17. Promotes other crime
18. Often destroys relationships
19. Impedes the desire to attain heaven
20. Leads to a liberal and worldly mindset
21. Retards emotions
22. Wastes opportunities for good
23 Impedes Christ's mandate to evangelize
24 Denies Scripture's command to stay sober
25 Denies the modest conduct of Our Lady
26 Leads to the unforgivable sin of despair
27 Is often its own object of worship
28. Causes certain kinds of brain damage
29. Often leads to other addictions
30. Inhibits holiness
31. Is well founded in paganism, abhorred in Christendom
32. Is proven by all the above to be a "sacrament" of the diabolic
This list is by no means exhaustive, barely even scratches the surface. After it exceeded 21, I figured this was enough to get the picture. If anyone disagrees, present your argument. Whatever you do, don't smoke weed, rather, do penance for the salvation of souls.
The relevant moral theology is not controversial.
Only weighting the risk/benefits is "controversial," though less controversial by the day.
I'm not a teetotaler. It's not really a Catholic thing to be.
If I recall correctly, it was Fr. Crane (whom some here don't like, and I understand why) … then why mention him as though he is an authority on anything?
Of course there are medical reasons for using pot, but that excuse is over-used today in order to justify its use, in my opinion
Perhaps.
But let's be honest -- if it came out that a prominent Traditional priest or bishop regularly "partook" of "the herb" there would be a ****storm on the interwebz, and you know it.
The jury is definitely out on this one.
What is "slightly drunk"? Is it sinful to be giggly? ebullient? relaxed?
Recreational MJ should be judged by the same moral standard as alcohol, not by some selective subjective sour-faced irrational emotional prejudice.
This one is so qualified as to be amusing:
Let's parse it while trying to avoid laughing.
"Of course there are medical reasons for using pot…" • Suddenly "of course" there is medical reason. Gee, an actual fact recognized. Progress.
"…but that excuse is over-used today…" • How the dickens do you know that? Can you read hearts, minds, and souls? Bilocate! Right now!
"in order to justify its use…" • Again doubling down on your charism and saintly perspicacity. You not only know that it is "over-used," but also can read a person's interior disposition as the intent to "justify" its use. Seriously, bilocate! Right now!
"…in my opinion." Ahhhh… you have a baseless opinion. Shocking, I say, simply shocking.
And why is your opinion more true? Please, do explain.It is a fact that, medically, MJ is less toxic and more beneficial than alcohol.
It is a fact that, medically, MJ is less toxic and more beneficial than alcohol.
Deal with it.
It is a fact that, recreationally, MJ must be judged by the same moral theology as alcohol.
Deal with it.
It is my opinion that you cannot read hearts, minds, or souls and that it is laughable that you think you can make judgments of the interior dispositions of others.
If you bilocate right now and visit me at home while I am doing our taxes, I will change my opinion about your presumptuous "charism" and place your picture alongside the picture of Padre Pio.
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MJ has been used medically in Europe since the Crusades. It was forbidden in the 20th century. All while the earth was a globe.
Can you point to a qualified and unbiased study which shows pot to be less toxic and more beneficial than alcohol?
Can you point to Church teaching which says that pot must be judged by the same moral theology as alcohol?
Where did they get the pot from, since the Crusades in Europe? Did the local hippies (or the equivalent thereof) grow it and sell it? Or was it imported from exotic locations? Did they also provide information that the earth was a globe, and not flat? I suppose that they could have had a movement to do both: sell pot and also try to prove that the earth is a globe. What would the name of such a group be, do you think?
You (plural) point to the Church teaching about being "sober." THAT is based on the risks of abuse. I see no mention in 1 Thessalonians 5:7-9 of exceptions, so how exactly does the Church justify ANY use of alcohol? Return to first principles: avoid undue risk of self-harm (whether physically or spiritually).
Since you claim MJ use is different from alcohol use, the burden is on YOU to make the case for the moral or medical difference—on something more substantial than your half-baked [pun-intended] "opinion."
No. I cannot point to "a" single study, but to dozens, even hundreds of studies. Glad you asked. :jester:
Start here, my bibliography for a series of 8 articles I wrote about medical marijuana in 2010-2011 when it was an issue in our state:
Important reviews
University of California Center for Medical Cannabis Research—2010 Report to the Legislature
http://www.cmcr.ucsd.edu/images/pdfs/CMCR_REPORT_FEB17.pdf
Review on clinical studies with cannabis and cannabinoids 2005-2009. Hazecamp A and Grotenhermen F. Cannabinoids 2010;5(special issue):1-21.
www.cannabis-med.org/data/pdf/en_2010_01_special.pdf
Cannabinoids in medicine: A review of their therapeutic potential. Amar MB. Journal of Ethnopharmacology 105 (2006) 1–25.
http://www.ucla.edu.ve/dmedicin/departamentos/fisiologia/cannabinoidsRevPatologias.pdf
Emerging Clinical Applications for Cannabis and Cannabinoids: A Review of the Recent Scientific Literature, 2000 – 2010. Armentano P. NORML Foundation, Washington DC 2010.
http://norml.org/pdf_files/NORML_Clinical_Applications_for_Cannabis_and_Cannabinoids.pdf
Marijuana and Medicine: Assessing the Science Base. National Academy of Science Institute of Medicine, 1999
http://www.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=6376
popularized in: Marijuana As Medicine? – The Science Behind the Controversy. Mack A and Joy J. National Academy of Science. National Academy Press, Washington DC 2000.
http://books.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=9586&page=R1
AIDS/HIV
University of California Center for Medical Cannabis Research—2010 Report to the Legislature
http://www.cmcr.ucsd.edu/images/pdfs/CMCR_REPORT_FEB17.pdf
Human Immunodeficiency Virus (HIV)
http://www.norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=7485
“Marijuana and AIDS” in Marijuana As Medicine? – The Science Behind the Controversy. Mack A and Joy J. National Academy of Science. National Academy Press, Washington DC 2000.
http://books.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=9586&page=86
ALS (Amyotrophic Lateral Sclerosis, Lou Gehrig's Disease)
Amyotrophic Lateral Sclerosis (ALS)
http://www.norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=7004
Alzheimer's Disease
Alzheimer's Disease
http://norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=7003
Cachexia. Wasting syndrome
See sections 3.1 and 3.2 of Cannabinoids in medicine: A review of their therapeutic potential. Amar MB. Journal of Ethnopharmacology 105 (2006) 1–25.
http://www.ucla.edu.ve/dmedicin/departamentos/fisiologia/cannabinoidsRevPatologias.pdf
Cancer
Gliomas/Cancer
http://www.norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=7008
“Marijuana and Cancer” in Marijuana As Medicine? – The Science Behind the Controversy. Mack A and Joy J. National Academy of Science. National Academy Press, Washington DC 2000.
http://books.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=9586&page=95
Cannabis and Cannabinoids (PDQ®). National Cancer Institute. 2011.
http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/pdq/cam/cannabis/healthprofessional/page1
Cardiovascular disease
The Potential for Clinical Use of Cannabinoids in Treatment
of Cardiovascular Diseases. Durst R and Lotan C. Cardiovascular Therapeutics 2011 Feb;29(1):17-22. doi: 10.1111/j.1755-5922.2010.00233.x. Epub 2010 Oct 14.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20946323
The emerging role of the endocannabinoid system in cardiovascular disease. Pacher P, Steffens S. Semin Immunopathol. 2009 Jun;31(1):63-77. Epub 2009 Apr 9.
http://www.springerlink.com/content/a04103g160h16450/fulltext.pdf
Cannabinoid receptors in atherosclerosis. Steffens S, Mach F. Curr Opin Lipidol. 2006 Oct;17(5):519-26.
http://journals.lww.com/co-lipidology/Abstract/2006/10000/Cannabinoid_receptors_in_atherosclerosis.5.aspx
Cannabinoid receptors in acute and chronic complications of atherosclerosis. Mach F, Montecucco F, Steffens S. Br J Pharmacol. 2008 January; 153(2): 290–298.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2219535/pdf/0707517a.pdf
Endocannabinoids and cannabinoid receptors in ischaemia-reperfusion injury and preconditioning. Pacher P, Haskó G. Br J Pharmacol. 2008 Jan;153(2):252-62. Epub 2007 Nov 19.
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1038/sj.bjp.0707582/pdf
The role of the endocannabinoid system in atherosclerosis. Mach F, Steffens S. J Neuroendocrinol. 2008 May;20 Suppl 1:53-7.
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1365-2826.2008.01685.x/pdf
Cardiovascular Effects of Cannabis | Medicinal Cannabis Information. Independent Drug Monitoring Unit, United Kingdom, undated
http://www.idmu.co.uk/canncardio.htm
Crohns Disease
Gastrointestinal Disorders
http://www.norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=7009
Endocannabinoid sysytem
The Endocannabinoid System as an Emerging Target of Pharmacotherapy. National Institute of Health: Pacher P, Bátkai S, Kunos G. Pharmacol Rev. 2006 Sep;58(3):389-462.
http://pharmrev.aspetjournals.org/content/58/3/389.full.pdf
Endocrine disease, diabetes
The emerging role of the endocannabinoid system in endocrine regulation and energy balance. Pagotto U, Marsicano G, Cota D, Lutz B, Pasquali R. Endocr Rev. 2006 Feb;27(1):73-100. Epub 2005 Nov 23.
http://fk.uwks.ac.id/elib/Arsip/Departemen/Biokimia/The%20Emerging%20Role%20of%20the%20Endocannabinoid%20System.pdf
Fibromyalgia
Nabilone for the Treatment of Pain in Fibromyalgia. Skrabek RQ, Galimova L, Ethans K, Perry D. J Pain. 2008 Feb;9(2):164-73. Epub 2007 Nov 5.
http://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:9gDyCVhqJSMJ:files.meetup.com/404848/2008_Nabilone-for-the-Treatment-of-Pain-in-Fibromyalgia.pdf+Nabilone+for+the+Treatment+of+Pain+in+Fibromyalgia&hl=en&gl=us&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEESjFGavzxEJkBjsOj_YyWPHuo5PRG034PLna8X6n3sXGT696PVuaEH15HF07xVpfV10wLPfon8-nZoD0RcJfU6LInnuqHOGpKDECN4oQ6OWBgGgwXWckH2QB31FTn1BZn0KX9U7A&sig=AHIEtbQlDN8uMzxJIm6KKL0POTJdhmbsvg
Delta-9-THC based monotherapy in fibromyalgia patients on experimentally induced pain, axon reflex flare, and pain relief. Schley M, Legler A, Skopp G, Schmelz M, Konrad C, Rukwied R. Curr Med Res Opin. 2006 Jul;22(7):1269-76.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16834825
Fibromyalgia
http://norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=7007
Glaucoma
American Glaucoma Society position statement: Marijuana and the treatment of glaucoma. American Glaucoma Society, Prepared by Henry Jampel, M.D., M.H.S., August 10, 2009
http://www.americanglaucomasociety.net/associations/5224/files/Marijuana%20and%20Glaucoma%20august%2030_BOD%20Approved%2010.23.09.pdf
Marijuana and Glaucoma” in Marijuana As Medicine? – The Science Behind the Controversy. Mack A and Joy J. National Academy of Science. National Academy Press, Washington DC 2000.
http://books.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=9586&page=124
Hepatitis C
Hepatitis C
http://www.norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=7010
Marijuana effects, drug levels, DUI
Marijuana effect and delta9-tetrahydrocannabinol plasma level. Chiang CWN and Barnett G. Clinical Pharmacology and Therapeutics 1984 Aug;36(2):234-8.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/6086207
Contact highs and urinary cannabinoids excretion after passive exposure to marijuana smoke. Cone EJ and Johnson RE. Clinical Pharmacology and Therapeutics 1986 Sep;40(3):247-56.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3017628
Do delta9-tetrahydrocannabinol concentrations indicate recent use in chronic cannabis users? Karschner EL, Schwilke EW, Lowe RH, Darwin WD, Pope HG, Herning R, Cadet JL, Huestis MA. Addiction. 2009 Dec;104(12):2041-8. Epub 2009 Oct 5.
http://www.clinchem.org/cgi/reprint/49/7/1114
Developing limits for driving under cannabis. Grotenhermen F, Leson G, Berghaus G, Drummer OH, Krüger HP, Longo M, Moskowitz H, Perrine B, Ramaekers JG, Smiley A, Tunbridge R. Addiction 2007 Dec;102(12):1910-7. Epub 2007 Oct 4.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17916224
Urinary cannabinoid detection times after controlled oral administration of delta9-tetrahydrocannabinol to humans. Gustafson RA, Levine B, Stout PR, Klette KL, George MP, Moolchan ET, Huestis MA. Clin Chem. 2003 Jul;49(7):1114-24.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12816908
Editorial: Practical Challenges to Positive Drug Tests for Marijuana. ElSohly MA. Clin Chem. 2003 Jul;49(7):1037-8.
http://www.clinchem.org/cgi/reprint/49/7/1037
Dose related risk of motor vehicle crashes after cannabis use. Ramaekers JG, Berghaus G, van Laar M, Drummer OH. Drug Alcohol Depend. 2004 Feb 7;73(2):109-19.
http://www.ukcia.org/research/DoseRelatedRiskOfCrashes.pdf
Tolerance and cross-tolerance to neurocognitive effects of THC and alcohol in heavy cannabis users. Ramaekers JG, Theunissen EL, de Brouwer M, Toennes SW, Moeller MR, Kauert G. Psychopharmacology (Berl). 2011 Mar;214(2):391-401. Epub 2010 Oct 30.
http://www.cannabistherapyinstitute.com/bills/dui/raemakers.etal.pdf
Cannabis and Driving: A Scientific and Rational Review. Armentano P. NORML Foundation, Washington DC 2010
http://norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=7459
Sex differences in the effects of marijuana on simulated driving performance. Anderson BM, Rizzo M, Block RI, Pearlson GD, O'Leary DS. J Psychoactive Drugs. 2010 Mar;42(1):19-30.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3033009/
Effects of THC on driving performance, physiological state and subjective feelings relative to alcohol. Ronen A, Gershon P, Drobiner H, Rabinovich A, Bar-Hamburger R, Mechoulam R, Cassuto Y, Shinar D. Accid Anal Prev. 2008 May;40(3):926-34. Epub 2007 Nov 26.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18460360
Muscle Spasms
Dystonia
http://www.norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=7006
“Marijuana and Muscle Spasticity” in Marijuana As Medicine? – The Science Behind the Controversy. Mack A and Joy J. National Academy of Science. National Academy Press, Washington DC 2000.
http://books.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=9586&page=106
Nausea
See sections 3.1 of Cannabinoids in medicine: A review of their therapeutic potential. Amar MB. Journal of Ethnopharmacology 105 (2006) 1–25.
http://www.ucla.edu.ve/dmedicin/departamentos/fisiologia/cannabinoidsRevPatologias.pdf
Pain
University of California Center for Medical Cannabis Research—2010 Report to the Legislature
http://www.cmcr.ucsd.edu/images/pdfs/CMCR_REPORT_FEB17.pdf
Chronic Pain
http://www.norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=7786
“Marijuana and Pain” in Marijuana As Medicine? – The Science Behind the Controversy. Mack A and Joy J. National Academy of Science. National Academy Press, Washington DC 2000.
http://books.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=9586&page=77#
Post traumatic Stress Disorder
Cannabinoid receptor activation in the basolateral amygdala blocks the effects of stress on the conditioning and extinction of inhibitory avoidance. Ganon-Elazar E, Akirav I. J Neurosci. 2009 Sep 9;29(36):11078-88.
http://www.jneurosci.org/content/29/36/11078.full.pdf+html
[Extinction of emotional response as a novel approach of pharmacotherapy of anxiety disorders]. Lehner M, Wisłowska-Stanek A, Płaznik A. Psychiatr Pol. 2009 Nov-Dec;43(6):639-53.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20209877
The Use of a Synthetic Cannabinoid in the Management of Treatment‐Resistant Nightmares in Posttraumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD). Fraser GA. CNS Neurosci Ther. 2009 Winter;15(1):84-8.
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1755-5949.2008.00071.x/pdf
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Harm reduction-the cannabis paradox. Melamede R. Harm Reduct J. 2005 Sep 22;2:17.
http://www.harmreductionjournal.com/content/pdf/1477-7517-2-17.pdf
Seizures
See sections 3.7 of Cannabinoids in medicine: A review of their therapeutic potential. Amar MB. Journal of Ethnopharmacology 105 (2006) 1–25.
http://www.ucla.edu.ve/dmedicin/departamentos/fisiologia/cannabinoidsRevPatologias.pdf
“Marijuana and Neurological Disorders” in Marijuana As Medicine? – The Science Behind the Controversy. Mack A and Joy J. National Academy of Science. National Academy Press, Washington DC 2000.
http://books.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=9586&page=115
You betray your ignorance on a matter on which you are so opinionated.
The plant grows has long been cultivated in the Holy Land as well as Afghanistan and India.
The above is a personal opinion & does not come from any legal Church Authority.
Before I start reading some of your links, how many of them have you personally read? Which ones, exactly, have you read in their entirety, so I have a place to start from?You presumptuous (((Behar))).
You presumptuous (((Behar))).
I don't care if you read "my" links or not. You are not my professor, editor, judge, superior, or confessor. You are welcome to remain as haughty in your ignorance as you choose.
I have read all of them in their entirety. A few are from the MJ advocacy organization NORML, but most are peer-reviewed and highly vetted (though that is no assurance of perfection). The studies are all the more remarkable because institutional medicine has, until recently, fiercely resisted MJ.
I have not done a deep dive on the MJ science since 2011. I have had no need. These days there are fewer ignoranuses on the matter.
Truly, I do not care to change your mind. I am content to demonstrate to any fence-sitters that, like the damned rabbis, you will accept no amount of evidence inconvenient to your opinion.
Incidentally, did I mention that I am a… [gasp]… sedevacantist? :jester:
Great—Reefer Madness bumper stickers and a pothead brother. Gee, you are qualified to run the CDC.
My biblio is representative of the state of the literature in 2011. We have another decade of research that is confirmatory (though I have not done, nor will I do, a deep dive).
In my media appearances, articles, and public debates, one of my summations points was:
"The enemies pf marijuana insist we need more research. OK, fine. More research is good, but understand this: Marijuana is more studied than ANY compound on your pharmacies' shelves, including Tylenol and aspirin, and those studies show that marijuana is safer than ANY drug on the pharmacy shelf."
I stood by that publicly then and I stand by it now.
I don't care if you read "my" links or not. You are not my professor, editor, judge, superior, or confessor. You are welcome to remain as haughty in your ignorance as you choose.
I have read all of them in their entirety.
Truly, I do not care to change your mind. I am content to demonstrate to any fence-sitters that, like the damned rabbis, you will accept no amount of evidence inconvenient to your opinion.
I stood by that publicly then and I stand by it now.
Gee, you are qualified to run the CDC.
How much are the side effects studied? …
What part of "more studied than ANY compound on your pharmacies' shelves" don't you understand?
So, share your public statements, profession, etc, so we may ascertain whether or not your livelihood is (notably) dependent upon government grants, etc.
Studied in terms of the benefits, not the side effects, from what I can tell. You would be able to provide a good analysis of the side effects, if you actually studied it. But I don't think you did.What a $%^& idiot!
What a $%^& idiot!
You gloss the title of a couple articles and then, like your charism of reading interior dispositions, magically absorb the full content of VOLUMES of study.
Go figure. :facepalm:
I think the problem with this discussion is that pot, like cows milk, is totally different than it was 50+ years ago. Is milk healthy? Not anymore. Not after it was pasteurized and its cows were pumped full of estrogen and given corn, instead of grazing on pasture.
Is pot healthy? I think a lot of it has synthetic additives and most modern strains have "ramped up" the drug effect, with much danger. I've heard many baby boomer hippies say "this isn't the weed we grew up on in the 70s". So did it USED to be healthy/mild? probably, in moderation. But now? You'd have to know what you're smoking. Most of it is laced with God-knows-what. People who smoke weed and have hallucinations...that's just not normal nor explainable.
What does interior dispositions have to do with the subject at hand? We're discussing pot. Remember?
I find it curious that someone thought he needed to reveal a member's alleged MJ use.
Objectively, was there really a "need" to reveal this, to supposedly "warn" others?
It's part of being on a forum to figure out if posts are correct or incorrect. And we can probably also determine if the poster was baked or plastered at the time he wrote the post. And if not, then it's just another post, no?
Is this what got Stanley banned?There was more to it than this. Stanley responded to the post from Matthew where Matthew was implying that Stanley would be one of the first Catholics to cave due to his willingness to "cave" to the lies of the world. Stanley DID go off on Matt, but it wasn't completely out of nowhere. I wouldn't want to be called lukewarm myself :fryingpan:
I have to say I agree with Dingbat and Bodeens.
It's Matthew's call. I get that.
I just don't see the kind of disrespect here that calls for him to get banned. No bad words or name calling anyway.
I didn't agree with Stanley's take on some things but I appreciated the evidence he brought to the table.
You personally commented on "intent" as related to MJ. Intent is a matter of interior disposition and is NOT accessible to you (unless you can also bilocate).
Yes, I do believe that the intent, for most who smoke pot, is to get high. And....there can be serious side effects.Those who drink alcohol drink to get high as well-- I know because I drink it. If not they could drink grape juice( like a 3 yr old) :popcorn:
Those who drink alcohol drink to get high as well-- I know because I drink it. If not they could drink grape juice( like a 3 yr old) :popcorn:
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Not necessarily.Yeah, "not necessarily" any of YOUR presumptuous pontification on OTHER people's intentions.
Yeah, "not necessarily" any of YOUR presumptuous pontification on OTHER people's intentions.
Double-standard, like a #$%^& Jєω.
The fact is that NO CHURCH AUTHORITY can be cited condemning mary juanita. :sleep:
And you are not presumptuous about other people's intentions? Really?You %^&* hypocrite.
You %^&* hypocrite.
You give the benefit of the doubt to drinkers ("not necessarily" [to get high]), but deny that benefit to MJ smokers ("overused," "an excuse to get high").
I have not presumed to condemn anyone's intentions, but have stuck with the facts:
(1) MJ is less toxic and more beneficial than EtOH (and the risks are manageable)
(2) MY use falls under the same moral restraints as EtOH, avoidance of undue risk physically and spiritually.
If you think I have divined someone's interior disposition, quote me verbatim, (((Behar))).
Your objectively evident double-standard makes you a (((Behar))).
Then you are judging me by the same standards that you accuse me of doing. You make it personal, as you often do. As if that's going to change the argument.Rubbish.
Rubbish.
I read and understand YOUR statements.
You give the benefit of the doubt to drinkers ("not necessarily" [to get high]), but deny that benefit to MJ smokers ("overused," "an excuse" [to get high]).
I have not presumed to condemn anyone's intentions, but have stuck with the facts:
(1) MJ is less toxic and more beneficial than EtOH (and the risks are manageable)
(2) MJ use falls under the same moral restraints as EtOH, avoidance of undue risk physically and spiritually.
If you think I have divined someone's interior disposition, quote me verbatim, (((Behar))).
YOUR attacks on the intentions of OTHER are certainly a personal judgement.
I'm going to give you the last word on the subject, Mark, since you are obviously upset and angry, I can see that I'm just making it worse. I do not believe that pot and alcohol are on the same level, for reasons I've ALREADY cited, and at least one SSPX priest has said the same in a sermon, so I'm not alone there.What a joke.
lf I were on the fence about Catholics and smoking MJ recreationally I would ask myself, ‘If MJ was legal in my State, would I sit down and smoke a bowl or joint with my grown son or daughter who just came of age?’Oh yea, puff the magic dragon. Light up the kids. Huff the steam roller. Pass the joint. Fire up the bong and have a brutal session. It's herbal, natural, good for you, kills cancer and will make everybody saints. :facepalm:
Why, or why not?
Would I smoke it in front of a five year old?
Why or why not?
Would I offer some to my priest if he were visiting my home?
Why, or why not?
(And I mention the legal aspect because some may blame the stigma it has on its illegal use in some places.)
I have a son who is 21, a responsible young man, he has never touched the stuff. Even though we have family members who use it frequently.
I could not imagine bringing something like recreational MJ into his life. There are enough spiritual pitfalls laid out for him already.
Can I picture myself enjoying a glass of wine while my five year old plays nearby? Yes definitely.
Smoking a joint? Um, no.
Would I allow a friend of mine do it in front of any of my children? Negative.
Oh yea, puff the magic dragon. Light up the kids. Huff the steam roller. Pass the joint. Fire up the bong and have a brutal session. It's herbal, natural, good for you, kills cancer and will make everybody saints. :facepalm:
Oh yea, puff the magic dragon. Light up the kids. Huff the steam roller. Pass the joint. Fire up the bong and have a brutal session. It's herbal, natural, good for you, kills cancer and will make everybody saints. :facepalm:I wonder, are there parents out there that do this?
Since you need to resort to such blatant straw man arguments, you have only an opinion and remember… opinions are like… um… er… uh… noses; everybody has one.My experience is as good as your references. You cringe at my depiction, but why? You think it's fine to smoke, then it should be fine to smoke with family. Teenagers? Little kids? Start 'em young so they can carry on well. May as well blitz 'em because you start smoking and it somehow winds up there for some people. Obviously, they ought to know how to hang. No worries from you, only ridicule for those who have a problem with all of this. No concern for people who continue on to bigger drugs. I wonder if you think it will assist with sanctity?
I provided dozens of verifiable references (including a review of all the available literature by the National Academy of Science).
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P.S. I made this with someone else in mind, but expected it would remain useful.
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Columbus proved that E is sphere... although he suspected such before the first voyage. :popcorn:That'd be Magellan, or the officer of his who completed the voyage as he died, surely? Columbus found a continent hitherto only visited by some Norse and maybe some Bristol fishermen seeking herring shoals. It was something long understood, but perhaps not proven beyond matters like the curvature of the ocean floor. There was even an accurate estimate of the earth's circuмference at 250,000 stades, done with arc measurement method, which used the shifting position of the star Canopus and the local curvature of the surface. Columbus disagreed, being certain the Indies would be nearer. Flat earth anyhow is surely a troll of some sort, perhaps designed to mock Catholics. No serious, reasonable man could hold that position. Even historically, no literal person really claimed the earth was flat barring perhaps the eccentric Cosmas Indicopleustes, a credulous sixth century merchant, who sailed the Monsoon propelled Egypt-India seas route, but perhaps he did not mean it literally.
That'd be Magellan, or the officer of his who completed the voyage as he died, surely? Columbus found a continent hitherto only visited by some Norse and maybe some Bristol fishermen seeking herring shoals. It was something long understood, but perhaps not proven beyond matters like the curvature of the ocean floor. There was even an accurate estimate of the earth's circuмference at 250,000 stades, done with arc measurement method, which used the shifting position of the star Canopus and the local curvature of the surface. Columbus disagreed, being certain the Indies would be nearer. Flat earth anyhow is surely a troll of some sort, perhaps designed to mock Catholics. No serious, reasonable man could hold that position. Even historically, no literal person really claimed the earth was flat barring perhaps the eccentric Cosmas Indicopleustes, a credulous sixth century merchant, who sailed the Monsoon propelled Egypt-India seas route, but perhaps he did not mean it literally.At one time, all people believed earth to be flat. Flat earth models were placed in Catholic bibles even in this century. Your assessment is not based in fact. There is more to know. Keep researching.
My experience is as good as your references.Classic. Mind if I add that here?: https://www.logicalfallacies.org/ (https://www.logicalfallacies.org/)
At one time, all people believed earth to be flat. Flat earth models were placed in Catholic bibles even in this century. Your assessment is not based in fact. There is more to know. Keep researching.His experience trumps your facts.
Classic. Mind if I add that here?: https://www.logicalfallacies.org/ (https://www.logicalfallacies.org/)People who like to waste time either won't or can't engage in the discussion so they attempt to discredit the other guy or change the subject or introduce little nothings that have no bearing. I really don't have time for that.
But I'm talking to someone who refuses truths about the nature of the Earth, so I suppose I shouldn't be surprised to see you running from the truth on this issue also. It's the same mindset: I embrace and admit the truth, whatever that means and wherever it leads. You find ways and excuses to deny it, so you can avoid being some kind of ostracised "fringe", shunned by The World, which for you is a fate worse than death. Fine. Good luck in the future when the great persecution starts. Hopefully you won't be one of the first Catholics to cave.You should have put "" around the word 'truths'. As in '.... refuse "truths" about the nature of the Earth....'. That way it shows you're not that pretentious to assume you are immune from error. You aren't.... Right? This isnt to say you don't believe that your position is correct, obviously.
People who like to waste time either won't or can't engage in the discussion so they attempt to discredit the other guy or change the subject or introduce little nothings that have no bearing. I really don't have time for that.Won't discuss it? That is a LIE.
Can I picture myself enjoying a glass of wine while my five year old plays nearby? Yes definitely.
Smoking a joint? Um, no.
Would I allow a friend of mine do it in front of any of my children? Negative.
Apparently, and surprisingly, this is a hotly debated issue?This is true, especially today. Years ago, weed wasn't all that potent. Years of increasing the thc through careful breeding has produced a far more intense and immediate high.
Well, that being the case, I'll just make my comment and move on:
There's nothing wrong with having a few drinks and getting a LITTLE tipsy (Even the Bible says "Wine doth gladden the heart," and therefore being a little tipsy can't even be a venial sin).
Drinking would become venial when done intemperately, or mortal when done to the point of surrendering the rational faculty.
But as regards marijuana -and feel free to correct me if I'm wrong- for the last 30 years, the strength of it is such that, unlike alcohol, your faculty is severely modified and distorted after only a couple puffs. Even for daily user addicts who are accustomed to its effects, its not that it no longer has a severe affect upon them, or that they have become tolerant to it, but rather that they have become acccustomed to long-term distortion of their rational faculty.
I believe they are AT LEAST in the same (or worse) state of mind as a drunken man, and nobody disputed that total drunkenness is mortal.
As for the real or alleged health benefits of marijuana, I find that completely irrelevant to the question of its morality (and besides, it is available in non-euphoric form anyway).
Crack, speed, and meth are probably good for weight loss, since they speeds the metabolism and suppresses the appetite, but that doesn't make them moral.
Flame away!
PS: I think modern man is afflicted by misery, and this accounts for even some Catholics defending marijuana use: They want something to kill the pain, and take a break from reality. But if true, doesn't that prove the point?
Apparently, and surprisingly, this is a hotly debated issue?
Well, that being the case, I'll just make my comment and move on:
There's nothing wrong with having a few drinks and getting a LITTLE tipsy (Even the Bible says "Wine doth gladden the heart," and therefore being a little tipsy can't even be a venial sin).
Drinking would become venial when done intemperately, or mortal when done to the point of surrendering the rational faculty.
But as regards marijuana -and feel free to correct me if I'm wrong- for the last 30 years, the strength of it is such that, unlike alcohol, your faculty is severely modified and distorted after only a couple puffs.
Anecdotal evidence in scientific inquiry is only useful in identifying possible research leads.
In the case of your (plural) pothead relatives, thatresearch leadshibboleth has been so thoroughly examined and your (plural) hypothesis rejected that the medical establishment has begrudgingly acknowledged that the medical benefits outweigh the medical risks per se.
Certainly there are some people of weakened mental makeup, perverted morality, and/or raised in dysfunctional families. Such people are indeed at increased risk of MJ and alcohol and pornography abuse and more likely to have marital breakup, criminality, and sinfulness. Consideration of such propensities should be part of the risk/benefit calculus before embarking on MJ use.
I advocate MJ's proper medical use. Recreationally, I'd rather see someone smoke MJ than drink alcohol. In no rational world is that a call for anyone lay around smoking weed all day and then spend all night at an orgy.
As for the real or alleged health benefits of marijuana, I find that completely irrelevant to the question of its morality (and besides, it is available in non-euphoric form anyway).
Crack, speed, and meth are probably good for weight loss, since they speed the metabolism and suppresses the appetite, but that doesn't make them moral.
On a side note, SSPX priests classify the use of CBD, Delta 8 and THC all in one. With a doctor’s prescription it is licit. Otherwise, all are potentially mortally sinful.
See, that's a practical consideration, not a moral one. Whatever amount it takes for you to lose control of your faculties would be grave sin without proportionate justification. But I read about the phenomenon of micro-dosing where you can in fact take amounts that you can barely even feel to alleviate certain conditions. If you could take enough micro-doses to make youself feel a bit tipsy but not "high," I can see no morally-relevant difference between that and having a couple glasses of wine to make you a bit tipsy. I did include that caveat and distinction in my previous post, that, assuming you can take an amount that would get you tipsy but not high. So the rational principle has to do with whether or not you lose control of your faculties.
Again, you're applying emotional considerations. Crack, speed, meth, etc. are similar to, say, legal prescription opiates or morphine. With grave eough reason, you can take morphine (and could conceivably take the others, say, if you were in extreme pain and it was all you had), etc. But you're tring to blend less grave reasons that are not proportional. That's the major principle, that the justifying reason has to be proportional. Losing weight or suppressing appetite, which can be accomplished in many other non-narcotic ways, are not proportionally grave to be able to justify losing control of one's faculties. But, if someone was in extreme pain, if it would be moral to take morphine, it would be moral to take these others.
And there's another problem with these (the opiate family), namely that they are incredibly addictive and end up ruining and destroying people's lives. Even the tiniest amount can form a habit or an addiction. That has to be considered in the equation. There's no such effect from MJ.
Put in laymen’s terms: those people were already crap people [emphasis added] without the pot. It would’ve made not too much difference.
Thanks, Mark. For your balanced assessment. [You are most welcome!]
On a side note, SSPX priests classify the use of CBD, Delta 8 and THC all in one. With a doctor’s prescription it is licit. Otherwise, all are potentially mortally sinful.
Interestingly, the exhaustive list given earlier in this thread could be equally applied in the same fashion to the witchbox (Internet).
I have not read any of the studies, nor do I care one iota about any studies that say MJ is Ok to use, morally or physically. I am now in my late 60's and have seen first hand what marijuana does to people, and today the stuff is 10x more potent. Marijuana makes people lazy, they lose all drive. I would not defend its use because then my children will interpret that as that I am OK with it. Marijuana is excellent for one thing, and that is for seducing young women, a lot quicker than alcohol. Those of you defending MJ will likely have your daughters seduced with it and it will be your fault for not seeing your own stupidity.i am(was) a distance runner who has run close to 70,000 in my life & I'm still at it. So much for the argument that MJ makes one lazy. :fryingpan:
The same applies to alcohol, it just takes a little more work to use it to seduce.
I consider both useless, and do not have the time to waste using them for any reason. MJ and alcohol make one an old man in their 30's. I got married at 47 with a girl that was 25, I could NEVER have done that if I had not been a young man.
But that's just me. To each his own.
i am(was) a distance runner who has run close to 70,000 in my life & I'm still at it. So much for the argument that MJ makes one lazy. :fryingpan:I have a MJ smoking friend who was working out with weights while you were running. He looks real buff today at 70. But, he lived off his wife and eventually she dumped him and then he went and lived off his father who was a doctor. The guy is a bum that lifts weights. Lazy and losing drive means not working and providing for a family. It has nothing to do with exercise.
And btw-- I have been smoking MJ as long as I have been running. Has anyone in this forum run even 1 mile in the last 10 years??
A person who never does any excersize(sp?) is PLAIN LAZY. :popcorn:Most people do not have the time to exercise, they are out working to provide for the family. Exercise didn't exist but for athletes and warriors and such till quite recently, people did not have the leisure time. Moreover, even today, many men work at hard labor which is exercise. Exercise is easier than hard work and providing for a family.
A person who never does any excersize(sp?) is PLAIN LAZY.
Has anyone in this forum run even 1 mile in the last 10 years??
BOLD is Mark 7:9
I think we need to put aside some of the Puritanical and political aspects of marijuana use and focus on the PRINCIPLE of why either MJ or alcohol use would be sinful or wrong.
It has to do with the alteration of the faculties. When one gets to a point of losing control of one's higher faculties, the ability to reason, especially morally, one commits a grave sin by using the substance ... without sufficient reason. So, for instance, if you're in extreme pain, there's nothing sinful about getting "high" with morphine or some other such drug. So the only real differences, morally, between the two are 1) that you can get to that point a lot quicker with MJ than with alcohol ... and 2) possibly the legality. Let's say, however, that we're in a state where recreation use is legal.
An anecdote: I had never understood the attraction of narcotics. I had taken half of a Vicodin tablet after a wisdom tooth extraction and just had nightmares without any significant pain relief. When my appendix ruptured, they gave me morphine and I got itchy and groggy. THEN… when I had my cardiac bypass 5 years ago, I had an amusing insight. While I was still in the ICU with post-op pain I was passing a kidney stone. Serious pain from the surgery and the stone. They gave me an IV dose of Dilaudid (quite close chemically to heroin) and within about 10 seconds I was floating on clouds with angels playing harps, and zero pain. I then understood the attraction.
If one gets "tipsy" or slightly elated, then that could be a venial sin without sufficient reason. Sacred Scripture itself states that "wine brings joy to the heart of man". So even the induction of a bit of elation (what some would call "recreational" use has a place). Jone says that small amounts might be indulged in without sin for proportionate reason for things like relaxing the nerves.
Precisely so! "Titration" of dose makes it possible to avoid becoming sinful.
The Puritanical among us seem to condemn anything joyful
So there's a direct proportionality between the degree to which the higher faculties are effected and the justifying reason. Complete loss of the faculties requires a grave reason, whereas a very slight impairment of the faculties would require a lesser reason. And this could vary from individual to individual. Some people might retain total control overthemselves with a bit of win or even MJ, whereas others might lose control and put themselves into occasions of sin.
Exactly why I have emphasized risk/benefit analysis before embarking on use of MJ or alcohol.
I've never used MJ, so I wouldn't know whether it's possible to take a couple hits and just get a little tipsy while maintaining control of one's faculties, no different than if one indulged in a couple glasses of wine or beer. But assuming that's possible, I would see no moral reason for entirely avoiding it.
Precisely so.
MJ seems not to be addictive in the manner of opiates,…
Because MJ causes NO ADDICTION, the rabid enemies of MJ have tried to change the definition of "addiction."
Just as they changed the definition of "vaccine" to allow the COVID gene therapy to be called a vaccine.
…but variouis "addictive personalitles" should probably cautioned to avoid it, just as those prone to alcoholism need to avoid alcohol altogether even where it might be justified for someone without the problem.
Perfect. Rational!
Even the tiniest amount of addictive opiates for recreational reasons would be a serious sin due to the risk of becoming hooked (which happens often) and the absolutely destructive impacts it could have on one's life. I've also heard of people "micro-dosing" with MJ, where they barely feel any effect related to the impairment of their natural faculties.
Precisely so. The risks from "disinhibition" are manageable in NORMAL people. Ahem!
Politically and historically, the major reason that MJ was outlawed was because some of the earliest motor vehicles ran on hemp oil, so Big Oil had to get rid of the competition, and they launched a major campaign to demonize it.
Part of the demonization was to connect MJ use with blacks and Mexicans. Alcohol was the preferred drug of WASPs. Interestingly, America's first forays into "gun control" was also framed as a race issue.
Then there were Puritanical movements to outlaw alcohol durign the Prohibition era that of course failed.
Failed catastrophically.
So, in summary, I don't see any reason that medical use of MJ would be sinful provided that it does provide relief for various ailments, and that might even include people who suffer from anxiety or other ailments and who might benefit fromt the relaxation effects (again assuming they would use small amounts to the point necessary to alleviate their condition). Even a tiny amount could be justified for "recreational" use in the same way that it's OK to have a bit of wine or beer to lift one's spirits.
For those who say that medical authorities and scientists say that marijuana has positive medical benefits, would those medical authorities and scientists be the same ones who tell us that face masks prevent the spread of a virus, that everyone needs to be vaccinated in order for the vaccination to work, that we need to be completely isolated to protect us from the "deadly Omicron variant", and who say that men can menstruate and there is absolutely no difference between a man who says he's a woman and an actual woman?
Yeah. I thought so.
…But as regards marijuana -and feel free to correct me if I'm wrong- for the last 30 years, the strength of it is such that, unlike alcohol, your faculty is severely modified and distorted after only a couple puffs. Even for daily user addicts who are accustomed to its effects, its not that it no longer has a severe affect upon them, or that they have become tolerant to it, but rather that they have become acccustomed to long-term distortion of their rational faculty.…
Flame away!…
…I think modern man is afflicted by misery, and this accounts for even some Catholics defending marijuana use: They want something to kill the pain, and take a break from reality. But if true, doesn't that prove the point?
When has man not been afflicted by misery?
When God threw Adam and Eve out of Paradise, did He promise that everything would be peachy-keen until the 21st century A.D.?
Is a glass of champagne at a New Years Eve party "something to kill the pain and take a break from reality"? Well… yeah… duh.
So what?
Should a Catholic wallow in misery every moment? Or does God allow us a tiny bit of joy once in a while?
What does "potentially mortally" sinful mean? Doctor's prescription means nothing to me. You could get a doctor's prescription and still have it be mortally sinful. Let's say you're faking a condition of some kind. Conversely, if you can't get to a doctor and someone has major factures and trauma and are in unbearable pain, you can use these substances without any doctor's prescription.I should not have used the word “potentially”.
And how can they possibly include CBD into the mix? CBD doesn't make people high and is legal almost everywhere. Moral consideration is whether you've lost control of our faculties. Interestingly, CBD can offset and mitigate the "high-producing effects" of THC.
I should not have used the word “potentially”.
I am told that CBD is sinful because it still equates to self-medication.
Hi Mark-
I’m not sure that most people would equate a drink or two with an escape from reality (ie., the rational faculty is not injured), but probably would make that argument regarding taking a couple puffs of marijuana (which is much more incapacitating, and definitely does impair the rational faculty).
Wouldn’t you agree?
I should not have used the word “potentially”.
I am told that CBD is sinful because it still equates to self-medication.
I do not receive ANY government grants. It's really a stupid question. .gov/.zog is still heavily invested in justifying MJ's criminal and Class 1 drug status. Do you seriously think they'd fund me and my conclusions?
Neither you nor (((Behar))) are in any position to make demands of me.
This conversation is complex and above my level of studies and profession. I offer no opinion. I think Mark and others make great points. I will take the safer course in my own experiences.Prudent.
This conversation is complex and above my level of studies and profession. I offer no opinion. I think Mark and others make great points. I will take the safer course in my own experiences.
Definitely safer. You won't risk getting a downthumb for disagreeing with the absolute expert on the subject (Mark).
Definitely safer. You won't risk getting a downthumb for disagreeing with the absolute expert on the subject (Mark).[yawn]
Maybe Mark downthumbs you because your responses are always so abrasively arrogant and self-righteous despite lacking knowledge and experience.Holy smokes... the rude responses!
Maybe Mark downthumbs you because your responses are always so abrasively arrogant and self-righteous despite lacking knowledge and experience.
Favoritism on this forum reminds me of what George Orwell once wrote:With each post you sound ever more (((Behar))).
"All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others."
You show me ONE OTHER FORUM. JUST ONE (with more than 250 members, of course, because new forums are desperate for members/activity so they don't count) where you can EXPLICITLY, OPENLY call out the moderator for serious sin, pride, racism, or other serious evils, and not be banned.kiwifarms admin Null/Josh. He even has his own thread.
Let's reframe that logical fallacy:I wasn't using logic here nor even trying to use logic. I was pointing out a fact that virtually everyone here can recognize about modern "medical science". Most medical studies today have no actual scientific value--and it's usually easy to tell because the conclusions always happen to agree with whatever is politically correct at the time, especially when it comes to drugs or pharmaceuticals.
"For those who say that priests say that marijuana has no medical benefits, would those priests be the same ones who sodomize altar boys or ignore reports of sodomy at summer camp?"
Care to retract your asinine illogic?
You should have put "" around the word 'truths'. As in '.... refuse "truths" about the nature of the Earth....'. That way it shows you're not that pretentious to assume you are immune from error. You aren't.... Right? This isnt to say you don't believe that your position is correct, obviously.
People shouldn't be concerned with being fringe, no. But just cause you aren't concerned, it doesn't make you right in whatever issue you decide to hold to, just cause it's perceived more "fringe" by the world. If that was the case sedes would have sway over your R&R position because they are certainly considered more fringe by the world. If they're right, it's not the fringe perception that makes them right.
Seems like lots of trads insulate themselves - not without reason- to the point of being willing to become disconnected with reality to prove to themselves just how willing they are to follow the truth "where ever it may lead". There are dangers to these times and those dangers don't just come from the world, they can come from our own fallen nature.
I think we need to put aside some of the Puritanical and political aspects of marijuana use and focus on the PRINCIPLE of why either MJ or alcohol use would be sinful or wrong.
It has to do with the alteration of the faculties. When one gets to a point of losing control of one's higher faculties, the ability to reason, especially morally, one commits a grave sin by using the substance ... without sufficient reason. So, for instance, if you're in extreme pain, there's nothing sinful about getting "high" with morphine or some other such drug. So the only real differences, morally, between the two are 1) that you can get to that point a lot quicker with MJ than with alcohol ... and 2) possibly the legality. Let's say, however, that we're in a state where recreation use is legal.
If one gets "tipsy" or slightly elated, then that could be a venial sin without sufficient reason. Sacred Scripture itself states that "wine brings joy to the heart of man". So even the induction of a bit of elation (what some would call "recreational" use has a place). Jone says that small amounts might be indulged in without sin for proportionate reason for things like relaxing the nerves.
So there's a direct proportionality between the degree to which the higher faculties are effected and the justifying reason. Complete loss of the faculties requires a grave reason, whereas a very slight impairment of the faculties would require a lesser reason. And this could vary from individual to individual. Some people might retain total control overthemselves with a bit of win or even MJ, whereas others might lose control and put themselves into occasions of sin.
I've never used MJ, so I wouldn't know whether it's possible to take a couple hits and just get a little tipsy while maintaining control of one's faculties, no different than if one indulged in a couple glasses of wine or beer. But assuming that's possible, I would see no moral reason for entirely avoiding it. MJ seems not to be addictive in the manner of opiates, but variouis "addictive personalitles" should probably cautioned to avoid it, just as those prone to alcoholism need to avoid alcohol altogether even where it might be justified for someone without the problem. Even the tiniest amount of addictive opiates for recreational reasons would be a serious sin due to the risk of becoming hooked (which happens often) and the absolutely destructive impacts it could have on one's life. I've also heard of people "micro-dosing" with MJ, where they barely feel any effect related to the impairment of their natural faculties.
Politically and historically, the major reason that MJ was outlawed was because some of the earliest motor vehicles ran on hemp oil, so Big Oil had to get rid of the competition, and they launched a major campaign to demonize it. Then there were Puritanical movements to outlaw alcohol durign the Prohibition era that of course failed.
So, in summary, I don't see any reason that medical use of MJ would be sinful provided that it does provide relief for various ailments, and that might even include people who suffer from anxiety or other ailments and who might benefit fromt the relaxation effects (again assuming they would use small amounts to the point necessary to alleviate their condition). Even a tiny amount could be justified for "recreational" use in the same way that it's OK to have a bit of wine or beer to lift one's spirits.
I wasn't using logic here nor even trying to use logic. I was pointing out a fact that virtually everyone here can recognize about modern "medical science". Most medical studies today have no actual scientific value--and it's usually easy to tell because the conclusions always happen to agree with whatever is politically correct at the time, especially when it comes to drugs or pharmaceuticals.
Interesting that most people can easily see that virtually everything these people say about "trans-sɛҳuąƖs", "homo-sɛҳuąƖs", the COVID "vaccine", wearing face masks, etc., etc., etc., is obvious bunk. But, hey, they say smokin' pot is good! I like this study. They must be good scientific studies.
Nice straw-man there.
…they say smokin' pot is good! …
I’ve never taken any illegal drug and the strongest legal pain medication I’ve taken is 800mg of ibuprofen.
This post aligns almost exactly with my thoughts on the subject. It is clear and levelheaded.
My two cents:
I have never smoked MJ, but I've had friends who did and most of them were just more lazy and apathetic than anything after using it. For transparency, the hardest drug I've ever taken is oxycotin for pain and I have a bottle of Hydroxyzine for panic attacks (which I've taken twice).
I hate the hedonistic "culture" surrounding MJ, as I hate the hedonistic culture surrounding any other sort of substance abuse such as alcohol or even smoking.
MJ on its own is a benign enough substance that I don't see any evil in its occasional legal use, especially from a medical standpoint. God gave us MJ as He gave us tobacco and alcohol. Both of those can be abused to a sinful degree, as can MJ. But they can also be used in a moderate manner like alcohol or tobacco.
I don't personally see how anything God created can be "inherently evil" like MJ has been labeled. It is abused like any other substance, and has been vilified beyond any other substance as well.
Stanley has been banned for his disrespectful outburst against the moderator of the forum. Even his "fellow teammates" on Team Globe Earth haven't had a problem keeping a modicuм of respect for the Moderator, even as the content of their posts contradicts him pretty much 100% of the time. No matter. They manage to control their emotions.Why delete my post? What a joke.
He is so wrapped up in proving the mainstream globe earth "outer space" paradigm, that he lowered himself to the tactic of the Liberals "I'm offended by that -- on behalf of those people" when it doesn't affect you at all.
A comedian was joking about prosthetic legs, and a lady came up to him after the show saying she was offended by that "bit" in his act. He asked if she had a family member with a prosthetic leg. No. He asked a few more questions -- no, she had no reason to be offended. She was just offended FOR them. Then an English guy came up to the comedian, pulled up his pantleg showing his prosthetic leg, and said "That bit about the prosthetics? Bloody brilliant!"
Why would Stanley fall for this obvious error? This behavior that every CathInfo member hates, and we criticize all the time when liberals do it? Because "roscoe" seemed to be coming into the debate on his side. It's a team sport for him. I guess it's not about getting to the truth, having an open mind? It's all "Rah Rah My Team".
Why delete my post? What a joke.I didn't realize Stanley was banned. Thats disappointing
You ban Stanley but don't ban Xavier when he pushed Bayside for years and push other heresies and then delete my posts when pointing this out? You were in a real hurry to ban Stanley because, ironically, "Rah Rah My Team", in your own words. He had good arguments and you baited him into a situation in which you found it justifiable to ban him.
Edit: I see after my post you deleted I got 30 downvotes in a single night LOL!!! I wonder who those came from? God Bless you, I don't hold you in any ill will but I just think this situation stinks and is stupid.
I didn't realize Stanley was banned. Thats disappointingI pointed out he wouldn't ban Xavier for explicit heresy either. He made us beg to ban him. So RE is more dangerous to the Faith than Mother Teresa, Faustina, Bayside, clown ecclesiology, the new "mass" etc? What's the standard here?
I didn't realize Stanley was banned. Thats disappointingYes, it was very sudden.
I am told that CBD is sinful because it still equates to self-medication.Told by whom?
Definitely safer. You won't risk getting a downthumb for disagreeing with the absolute expert on the subject (Mark).Meg, I just dt’d you for the plain silliness of referring to DT’s.
Told by whom?Naw I think this argument is especially ridiculous because of the crisis of authority in the medical industry. I want someone to tell me that taking Vitamin D or Zinc is a sin.
Self-medication is sinful? First time I’ve heard this. Do I need to confess this?
Recreationally, I'd rather see someone smoke MJ than drink alcohol. In no rational world is that a call for anyone lay around smoking weed all day and then spend all night at an orgy.There is no comparison between today's marijuana and alcohol. Today's marijuana knocks the tar out of you. There is no "social drinking", or a drink to "unwind" at the end of the day, with today's marijuana, there is only getting super smashed.
That's the Protestant "throw the baby out with the bath water" game...Let me know when you run out of straw. I know a source that can get it for you cheap. :jester:
I have a sibling who has been addicted to marijuana for 30 years. I can attest that the above is true. Except that I would add that extreme laziness and lack of motivation to do ANYTHING is one of the main problems with marijuana use. At this time my sibling is in danger of being homeless......again. We've taken him in to live with us several times, but he never changes. He won't give up the pot.I didn't read anything on this thread, so I didn't realize that many others said the same thing, like Meg above. Nothing else needed to be said, I'd bet everyone on CI could write 20 different stories like the above about people that they have known. It is called reality, where the rubber meets the road, the real world. Mark79 lives in the manuals and theories, Meg lives in the real world. Mark knows NOTHING about the potency of today's marijuana, that in and of itself dismisses his advocating the use of marijuana for recreation instead of alcohol.
Comparing casual use of alcohol, like drinking wine with a meal, compared with smoking today's marijuana, is like comparing an Olympic dive pool with a home or hotel pool. In the home/hotel pool a small child could play on the steps, a non-swimmer can stand in the shallow end, and a swimmier can swim across the deep end. In an Olympic diving pool, you only have a deep end 17 foot deep, you either swim, or don't jump in. With marijuana you either get wasted out of your mind or you do not smoke it.
Meg, I just dt’d you for the plain silliness of referring to DT’s.
I didn't read anything on this thread, so I didn't realize that many others said the same thing, like Meg above. Nothing else needed to be said, I'd bet everyone on CI could write 20 different stories like the above about people that they have known. It is called reality, where the rubber meets the road, the real world. Mark79 lives in the manuals and theories, Meg lives in the real world. Mark knows NOTHING about the potency of today's marijuana, that in and of itself dismisses his advocating the use of marijuana for recreation instead of alcohol.
There is no comparison between today's marijuana and alcohol. Today's marijuana knocks the tar out of you. There is no "social drinking", or a drink to "unwind" at the end of the day, with today's marijuana, there is only getting super smashed.
P.S.- What I see on this thread is an anonymous man who I know nothing about (Mark79) bullying Meg (who I know from herCI postings since I came here). Maybe I should just have ignored it, since no one reads this stuff anyways. But, that's just me.
Hey, whatever makes you happy Nadir.What is a DT and a dt'd?
What is a DT and a dt'd?
I do not know anything about him likely because what he writes is not a subject that concerns me or I do not need to go deeper on. I only look into subjects that affect me directly, the health, welfare, and salvation of my family. Whether the VatII popes are popes or Antartica is an alien living place, or the Earth is round or flat has no effect on my family. (on the contrary, those subjects would be stealing precious time from my vocation, my family, like if I watched TV, or had a 6 pack every night. With all the children we have to raise, my wife and I do not have time to waste. For me it is already too much what I post here).
Mark79 has always been a bully, but he is lauded for it here, presumably because he's just being a "real man."
Pretty sure it means "downthumb." Apparently, some here think that we aren't supposed to talk about being downthumbed.Some people think one can turn black into white by posting down thumbs, it is like media voting polls. The truth always rises to the top, no matter the opinion of the crowd. So just give it time. It is obvious that Mark79 is down voting you here. People just won't say it, because they are afraid of him retaliating by doing what he is doing to you.
Some people think one can turn black into white by posting down thumbs, it is like media voting polls. The truth always rises to the top, no matter the opinion of the crowd. So just give it time. It is obvious that Mark79 is down voting you here. People just won't say it, because they are afraid of him retaliating by doing what he is doing to you.
I don't believe that is true. I've heard of people doing micro-doses, Mark mentioned titration, and I also hear it depends on the strain. Regardless, we're speaking about the moral principles involved, namely, that if you take something that causes you to entirely lose control of your higher faculties, then it's a grave sin to do it without a proportionately serious reason. This is more a practical consideration, whether it's possible to take a smaller does that does not have this effect. I believe the answer is yes, and under those circuмstances, a less grave reason would suffice taking it. There are of course extrinsic considerations are well, such as the legality (assuming it's a just law) and whether you'd jeopardize your job (I would since they do random drug testing at my workplace). So for me to take even a tiny hit that did not impair my faculties would be a grave sin, since I would be jeopardizing being able to support my family.I can just imagine a smart priest, fresh out of a Rome Novus Ordo seminary, reciting the above as a sermon about pre-marital relations, and then all the girls will conclude that it is OK to go on dates by themselves to "just make out and get fondled, BUT no more!"
I wasn't using logic here nor even trying to use logic. ………
There is no comparison between today's marijuana and alcohol.
Ah, there is "No comparison"… wait for it… then you make an absurd comparison…
Today's marijuana knocks the tar out of you. There is no "social drinking", or a drink to "unwind" at the end of the day, with today's marijuana, there is only getting super smashed.
Nonsense. I gave you a bibliography. You (plural) give me your half-baked opinions.
P.S.- What I see on this thread is an anonymous man who I know nothing about (Mark79) bullying Meg (who I know from herCI postings since I came here). Maybe I should just have ignored it, since no one reads this stuff anyways. But, that's just me.
Really? Anonymity bothers you? Why are you here then?
We have "Members Only" and "Anonynmous" sections.
Excepting Sean and Matthew (others?), screen names here are anonymous.
Is your saint's name "Last" and family name "Tradhican"?
What a hypocrite.
Let me know when you run out of straw. I know a source that can get it for you cheap. :jester:
Comparing casual use of alcohol, like drinking wine with a meal, compared with smoking today's marijuana, is like comparing an Olympic dive pool with a home or hotel pool. In the home/hotel pool a small child could play on the steps, a non-swimmer can stand in the shallow end, and a swimmier can swim across the deep end. In an Olympic diving pool, you only have a deep end 17 foot deep, you either swim, or don't jump in. With marijuana you either get wasted out of your mind or you do not smoke it.
An estimated 95,000 people (approximately 68,000 men and 27,000 women) die from alcohol-related causes annually, 15 making alcohol the third-leading preventable cause of death in the United States. The first is tobacco, and the second is poor diet and physical inactivity.
https://www.niaaa.nih.gov/publications/brochures-and-fact-sheets/alcohol-facts-and-statistics (https://www.niaaa.nih.gov/publications/brochures-and-fact-sheets/alcohol-facts-and-statistics)
I can just imagine a smart priest, fresh out of a Rome Novus Ordo seminary, reciting the above as a sermon about pre-marital relations, and then all the girls will conclude that it is OK to go on dates by themselves to "just make out and get fondled, BUT no more!"
They'll all end up pregnant (unless they use birth control).
Some people think one can turn black into white by posting down thumbs, it is like media voting polls. The truth always rises to the top, no matter the opinion of the crowd. So just give it time. It is obvious that Mark79 is down voting you here. People just won't say it, because they are afraid of him retaliating by doing what he is doing to you.
I can just imagine a smart priest, fresh out of a Rome Novus Ordo seminary, reciting the above as a sermon about pre-marital relations, and then all the girls will conclude that it is OK to go on dates by themselves to "just make out and get fondled, BUT no more!"
They'll all end up pregnant (unless they use birth control).
I can just imagine ………
No. I do not agree.I have to agree with Mark. I'm not all the way through this thread yet, but I can see the age old MJ vs. alcohol debate is going to the usual places. In my opinion, they both have costs to individuals, families, and communities. There are important differences between the two, but both are vices. One has been largely socially acceptable in most of the world for centuries. One is not as socially acceptable but is now legal in many states. Both can destroy your life if not used in moderation. MJ tends to make over-indulgers less productive, more passive citizens. The damage done is largely to themselves but lazy irresponsibility can negatively impact family and friends.
My advocacy put me at political and social events where I had lots of opportunity to observe the wide array of MJ culture. Sure, there were a few Rastafarians enveloped in a Cheech and Chong cloud of smoke, but most everyone else was a puff here, a puff there, even little old ladies. And, even among the Rasta dudes, all were mellow and convivial.
Not once did I ever witness the kind of aggression that one regularly sees at parties with alcohol.
So because people CAN get drunk on wine, we're supposed to say, like the Prots, that it's sinful to drink any alcohol at all? (I have not said one word about whether it is sinful to smoke marijuana. I don't go into moral theology, I could care less about all the minute details of why and how something can be a venial or mortal sin like you do. We think differently. I live in the real world where actions have repercussions.) My point is that if the principles apply to alcohol, the same principles apply to MJ. Your argument pertains to the application. Indeed, you can make the case that it's mortal sin to take hits from some unknown strain of MJ with unknown potency, without sufficient reason, because it's possible and even likely that it'll impair your faculties (There you go again off into moral theology, are you still capable of thinking without looking at actions according to their degree of sinfulness? ). But if someone were to ask whether medical MJ is permissible or micro-dosing due to issues with anxiety, etc. ... (You are going off topic. Everything I have posted is about what Mark79 said that he believes that recreational use of marijuana is the same as alcohol use. I have not said one word about medicinal use. Please stick to the subject I wrote about to which you are responding to). I have I would have to answer correctly, and not make an unsubstantiated and false statement that all use of MJ is a mortal sin, just to scare people away from it. That's actually Bishop McKenna's take on EENS, that it was just the Church's way to scare people into becoming Catholic, a hyperbole, but otherwise doesn't mean much.My answers in red or bold
I have to agree with Mark. I'm not all the way through this thread yet, but I can see the age old MJ vs. alcohol debate is going to the usual places. In my opinion, they both have costs to individuals, families, and communities. There are important differences between the two, but both are vices. One has been largely socially acceptable in most of the world for centuries. One is not as socially acceptable but is now legal in many states. Both can destroy your life if not used in moderation. MJ tends to make over-indulgers less productive, more passive citizens. The damage done is largely to themselves but lazy irresponsibility can negatively impact family and friends.
Alcohol has a much more terrible impact on the larger society. Over-indulgers kill people on the road, are far more prone to violence & conflict, and result in far more police incidents than MJ. Just ask any cop. Everyone knows how an alcoholic can destroy a family and damage children. The people around an alcoholic tend to suffer far more than those around a pothead.
One major difference between the 2 is that a person who has had 2 or 3 drinks can make a mistake on the road that kills someone. The 'pothead driver' problem exists, but the effects on human motor skills of each drug are vastly different.
My point here is that one is not morally superior to the other. They are both vices. Both can be addicting. Having a few drinks to relax is 'getting high' and so is smoking a bit of pot, in my opinion. In my own life, I've seen friends and family mess up their lives with both.
As for CBD, if it doesn't get you high (has zero THC), and the vast majority of commercial products do not, then it is just an over-the-counter drug same as any other. It's a plant. Almost all medicines come from plants. Doesn't seem like a bit deal.
Thanks to everyone for a lively debate!
My answers in red or bold
…(You are going off topic. Everything I have posted is about what Mark79 said that he believes that recreational use of marijuana is the same as alcohol use. I have not said one word about medicinal use. Please stick to the subject I wrote about to which you are responding to)…
Comparing casual use of alcohol, like drinking wine with a meal, compared with smoking today's marijuana, is like comparing an Olympic dive pool with a home or hotel pool. In the home/hotel pool a small child could play on the steps, a non-swimmer can stand in the shallow end, and a swimmier can swim across the deep end. In an Olympic diving pool, you only have a deep end 17 foot deep, you either swim, or don't jump in. With marijuana you either get wasted out of your mind or you do not smoke it.
Mark 79 respondedBy his own admittance Mark79 has said he have never tried marijuana, let alone todays MJ, so how would he know to what degree it trashes one. Reading articles? How would he know what to believe? He has no personal experience, apparently, he has no friends or relatives that smoke pot.
You make ever more absurd comparisons.
My answers in red or bold
…(I have not said one word about whether it is sinful to smoke marijuana. I don't go into moral theology, I could care less about all the minute details of why and how something can be a venial or mortal sin like you do. We think differently. I live in the real world where actions have repercussions.) My point is that if the principles apply to alcohol, the same principles apply to MJ. Your argument pertains to the application. Indeed, you can make the case that it's mortal sin to take hits from some unknown strain of MJ with unknown potency, without sufficient reason, because it's possible and even likely that it'll impair your faculties (There you go again off into moral theology, are you still capable of thinking without looking at actions according to their degree of sinfulness? ).
I can just imagine a smart priest, fresh out of a Rome Novus Ordo seminary, reciting the above as a sermon about pre-marital relations, and then all the girls will conclude that it is OK to go on dates by themselves to "just make out and get fondled, BUT no more!"
They'll all end up pregnant (unless they use birth control).
Sorry for the large lettering, I timed out before I could fix it, here it is again:
By his own admittance Mark79 has said he have never tried marijuana, let alone todays MJ, so how would he know to what degree it trashes one. Reading articles? How would he know what to believe? He has no personal experience, apparently, he has no friends or relatives that smoke pot.
The biggest problem with these internet discussions is that the people can't be seen, so I am here debating with someone that if I was face to face, I would know how they really live and would likely not bother with. Does he have any children that listen to his advice? How old is he? I remember reading that close to 60% of Americans are on some kind of mind-altering substance, whether prescription drugs, alcohol, MJ, other illegal drugs. Does he have physical or mental problems that require his use of mind-altering medications? Why so much interest in MJ, that he feels compelled to defend its recreational use here? Who knows? One thing is a certain, Mark79 has a dog in this race.
"They who are enlightened to walk in the way of perfection, and through lukewarmness wish to tread the ordinary paths, shall be abandoned". (Bl. Angela of Foligno)
"They who are to be saved as Saints, and wish to be saved as imperfect souls, shall not be saved". (Pope St. Gregory the Great)
In 2020 recreational use and cultivation was approved by the voters. (so is abortion, sodomy, fornication, Peℓσѕι, Biden, covid lockdowns and vaccines, pro- Zionism ....and everything else un-Catholic. This MJ thing just happens to be something you like, that's all.)
Do you think that attacking me or my children persuades a single person of the "dangers" of marijuana (I don't know if you have any children or anything about you, they were all questions. I don't need to convince any real trad on CI of the dangers of recreational MJ, I actually just stepped in because you were browbeating Meg, I do not care much for such activity on the part of men. As far as recreational use of MJ by trads here on CI, all I have to do is shine a light on it and those that have the faith will recognize it, the reason why we have nothing to do with it:
It is all about mediocrity
"They who are enlightened to walk in the way of perfection, and through lukewarmness wish to tread the ordinary paths, shall be abandoned". (Bl. Angela of Foligno)
"They who are to be saved as Saints, and wish to be saved as imperfect souls, shall not be saved". (Pope St. Gregory the Great)
Well, hi kids, y'all playing nice in the sandbox tonight? Nice bunch of references there, Mark. Happy New Year everyone, btw. :-) If I were still doing research and writing papers, I would say you covered a lot of bases here (and I sure don't miss that stinking APA format, lol). I might peruse a few at my leisure, way down the road a bit.
An outside observer would say:
Gee, Mark 7:9 posted dozens medical references on a medical subject and Meg and Last Tradhican have only responded with unsubstantiated opinions and attacks on Mark and Mark's children.
Hmmm who has evidence and who is like a damn Jєω character assassin?
Tough question, eh?
Here are the references a third time. See also the NIH ink on alcohol:
Important reviews
University of California Center for Medical Cannabis Research—2010 Report to the Legislature
http://www.cmcr.ucsd.edu/images/pdfs/CMCR_REPORT_FEB17.pdf
Review on clinical studies with cannabis and cannabinoids 2005-2009. Hazecamp A and Grotenhermen F. Cannabinoids 2010;5(special issue):1-21.
www.cannabis-med.org/data/pdf/en_2010_01_special.pdf
Cannabinoids in medicine: A review of their therapeutic potential. Amar MB. Journal of Ethnopharmacology 105 (2006) 1–25.
http://www.ucla.edu.ve/dmedicin/departamentos/fisiologia/cannabinoidsRevPatologias.pdf
Emerging Clinical Applications for Cannabis and Cannabinoids: A Review of the Recent Scientific Literature, 2000 – 2010. Armentano P. NORML Foundation, Washington DC 2010.
http://norml.org/pdf_files/NORML_Clinical_Applications_for_Cannabis_and_Cannabinoids.pdf
Marijuana and Medicine: Assessing the Science Base. National Academy of Science Institute of Medicine, 1999
http://www.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=6376
popularized in: Marijuana As Medicine? – The Science Behind the Controversy. Mack A and Joy J. National Academy of Science. National Academy Press, Washington DC 2000.
http://books.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=9586&page=R1
AIDS/HIV
University of California Center for Medical Cannabis Research—2010 Report to the Legislature
http://www.cmcr.ucsd.edu/images/pdfs/CMCR_REPORT_FEB17.pdf
Human Immunodeficiency Virus (HIV)
http://www.norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=7485
“Marijuana and AIDS” in Marijuana As Medicine? – The Science Behind the Controversy. Mack A and Joy J. National Academy of Science. National Academy Press, Washington DC 2000.
http://books.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=9586&page=86
ALS (Amyotrophic Lateral Sclerosis, Lou Gehrig's Disease)
Amyotrophic Lateral Sclerosis (ALS)
http://www.norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=7004
Alzheimer's Disease
Alzheimer's Disease
http://norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=7003
Cachexia. Wasting syndrome
See sections 3.1 and 3.2 of Cannabinoids in medicine: A review of their therapeutic potential. Amar MB. Journal of Ethnopharmacology 105 (2006) 1–25.
http://www.ucla.edu.ve/dmedicin/departamentos/fisiologia/cannabinoidsRevPatologias.pdf
Cancer
Gliomas/Cancer
http://www.norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=7008
“Marijuana and Cancer” in Marijuana As Medicine? – The Science Behind the Controversy. Mack A and Joy J. National Academy of Science. National Academy Press, Washington DC 2000.
http://books.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=9586&page=95
Cannabis and Cannabinoids (PDQ®). National Cancer Institute. 2011.
http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/pdq/cam/cannabis/healthprofessional/page1
Cardiovascular disease
The Potential for Clinical Use of Cannabinoids in Treatment
of Cardiovascular Diseases. Durst R and Lotan C. Cardiovascular Therapeutics 2011 Feb;29(1):17-22. doi: 10.1111/j.1755-5922.2010.00233.x. Epub 2010 Oct 14.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20946323
The emerging role of the endocannabinoid system in cardiovascular disease. Pacher P, Steffens S. Semin Immunopathol. 2009 Jun;31(1):63-77. Epub 2009 Apr 9.
http://www.springerlink.com/content/a04103g160h16450/fulltext.pdf
Cannabinoid receptors in atherosclerosis. Steffens S, Mach F. Curr Opin Lipidol. 2006 Oct;17(5):519-26.
http://journals.lww.com/co-lipidology/Abstract/2006/10000/Cannabinoid_receptors_in_atherosclerosis.5.aspx
Cannabinoid receptors in acute and chronic complications of atherosclerosis. Mach F, Montecucco F, Steffens S. Br J Pharmacol. 2008 January; 153(2): 290–298.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2219535/pdf/0707517a.pdf
Endocannabinoids and cannabinoid receptors in ischaemia-reperfusion injury and preconditioning. Pacher P, Haskó G. Br J Pharmacol. 2008 Jan;153(2):252-62. Epub 2007 Nov 19.
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1038/sj.bjp.0707582/pdf
The role of the endocannabinoid system in atherosclerosis. Mach F, Steffens S. J Neuroendocrinol. 2008 May;20 Suppl 1:53-7.
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1365-2826.2008.01685.x/pdf
Cardiovascular Effects of Cannabis | Medicinal Cannabis Information. Independent Drug Monitoring Unit, United Kingdom, undated
http://www.idmu.co.uk/canncardio.htm
Crohns Disease
Gastrointestinal Disorders
http://www.norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=7009
Endocannabinoid sysytem
The Endocannabinoid System as an Emerging Target of Pharmacotherapy. National Institute of Health: Pacher P, Bátkai S, Kunos G. Pharmacol Rev. 2006 Sep;58(3):389-462.
http://pharmrev.aspetjournals.org/content/58/3/389.full.pdf
Endocrine disease, diabetes
The emerging role of the endocannabinoid system in endocrine regulation and energy balance. Pagotto U, Marsicano G, Cota D, Lutz B, Pasquali R. Endocr Rev. 2006 Feb;27(1):73-100. Epub 2005 Nov 23.
http://fk.uwks.ac.id/elib/Arsip/Departemen/Biokimia/The%20Emerging%20Role%20of%20the%20Endocannabinoid%20System.pdf
Fibromyalgia
Nabilone for the Treatment of Pain in Fibromyalgia. Skrabek RQ, Galimova L, Ethans K, Perry D. J Pain. 2008 Feb;9(2):164-73. Epub 2007 Nov 5.
http://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:9gDyCVhqJSMJ:files.meetup.com/404848/2008_Nabilone-for-the-Treatment-of-Pain-in-Fibromyalgia.pdf+Nabilone+for+the+Treatment+of+Pain+in+Fibromyalgia&hl=en&gl=us&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEESjFGavzxEJkBjsOj_YyWPHuo5PRG034PLna8X6n3sXGT696PVuaEH15HF07xVpfV10wLPfon8-nZoD0RcJfU6LInnuqHOGpKDECN4oQ6OWBgGgwXWckH2QB31FTn1BZn0KX9U7A&sig=AHIEtbQlDN8uMzxJIm6KKL0POTJdhmbsvg
Delta-9-THC based monotherapy in fibromyalgia patients on experimentally induced pain, axon reflex flare, and pain relief. Schley M, Legler A, Skopp G, Schmelz M, Konrad C, Rukwied R. Curr Med Res Opin. 2006 Jul;22(7):1269-76.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16834825
Fibromyalgia
http://norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=7007
Glaucoma
American Glaucoma Society position statement: Marijuana and the treatment of glaucoma. American Glaucoma Society, Prepared by Henry Jampel, M.D., M.H.S., August 10, 2009
http://www.americanglaucomasociety.net/associations/5224/files/Marijuana%20and%20Glaucoma%20august%2030_BOD%20Approved%2010.23.09.pdf
Marijuana and Glaucoma” in Marijuana As Medicine? – The Science Behind the Controversy. Mack A and Joy J. National Academy of Science. National Academy Press, Washington DC 2000.
http://books.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=9586&page=124
Hepatitis C
Hepatitis C
http://www.norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=7010
Marijuana effects, drug levels, DUI
Marijuana effect and delta9-tetrahydrocannabinol plasma level. Chiang CWN and Barnett G. Clinical Pharmacology and Therapeutics 1984 Aug;36(2):234-8.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/6086207
Contact highs and urinary cannabinoids excretion after passive exposure to marijuana smoke. Cone EJ and Johnson RE. Clinical Pharmacology and Therapeutics 1986 Sep;40(3):247-56.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3017628
Do delta9-tetrahydrocannabinol concentrations indicate recent use in chronic cannabis users? Karschner EL, Schwilke EW, Lowe RH, Darwin WD, Pope HG, Herning R, Cadet JL, Huestis MA. Addiction. 2009 Dec;104(12):2041-8. Epub 2009 Oct 5.
http://www.clinchem.org/cgi/reprint/49/7/1114
Developing limits for driving under cannabis. Grotenhermen F, Leson G, Berghaus G, Drummer OH, Krüger HP, Longo M, Moskowitz H, Perrine B, Ramaekers JG, Smiley A, Tunbridge R. Addiction 2007 Dec;102(12):1910-7. Epub 2007 Oct 4.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17916224
Urinary cannabinoid detection times after controlled oral administration of delta9-tetrahydrocannabinol to humans. Gustafson RA, Levine B, Stout PR, Klette KL, George MP, Moolchan ET, Huestis MA. Clin Chem. 2003 Jul;49(7):1114-24.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12816908
Editorial: Practical Challenges to Positive Drug Tests for Marijuana. ElSohly MA. Clin Chem. 2003 Jul;49(7):1037-8.
http://www.clinchem.org/cgi/reprint/49/7/1037
Dose related risk of motor vehicle crashes after cannabis use. Ramaekers JG, Berghaus G, van Laar M, Drummer OH. Drug Alcohol Depend. 2004 Feb 7;73(2):109-19.
http://www.ukcia.org/research/DoseRelatedRiskOfCrashes.pdf
Tolerance and cross-tolerance to neurocognitive effects of THC and alcohol in heavy cannabis users. Ramaekers JG, Theunissen EL, de Brouwer M, Toennes SW, Moeller MR, Kauert G. Psychopharmacology (Berl). 2011 Mar;214(2):391-401. Epub 2010 Oct 30.
http://www.cannabistherapyinstitute.com/bills/dui/raemakers.etal.pdf
Cannabis and Driving: A Scientific and Rational Review. Armentano P. NORML Foundation, Washington DC 2010
http://norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=7459
Sex differences in the effects of marijuana on simulated driving performance. Anderson BM, Rizzo M, Block RI, Pearlson GD, O'Leary DS. J Psychoactive Drugs. 2010 Mar;42(1):19-30.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3033009/
Effects of THC on driving performance, physiological state and subjective feelings relative to alcohol. Ronen A, Gershon P, Drobiner H, Rabinovich A, Bar-Hamburger R, Mechoulam R, Cassuto Y, Shinar D. Accid Anal Prev. 2008 May;40(3):926-34. Epub 2007 Nov 26.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18460360
Muscle Spasms
Dystonia
http://www.norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=7006
“Marijuana and Muscle Spasticity” in Marijuana As Medicine? – The Science Behind the Controversy. Mack A and Joy J. National Academy of Science. National Academy Press, Washington DC 2000.
http://books.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=9586&page=106
Nausea
See sections 3.1 of Cannabinoids in medicine: A review of their therapeutic potential. Amar MB. Journal of Ethnopharmacology 105 (2006) 1–25.
http://www.ucla.edu.ve/dmedicin/departamentos/fisiologia/cannabinoidsRevPatologias.pdf
Pain
University of California Center for Medical Cannabis Research—2010 Report to the Legislature
http://www.cmcr.ucsd.edu/images/pdfs/CMCR_REPORT_FEB17.pdf
Chronic Pain
http://www.norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=7786
“Marijuana and Pain” in Marijuana As Medicine? – The Science Behind the Controversy. Mack A and Joy J. National Academy of Science. National Academy Press, Washington DC 2000.
http://books.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=9586&page=77#
Post traumatic Stress Disorder
Cannabinoid receptor activation in the basolateral amygdala blocks the effects of stress on the conditioning and extinction of inhibitory avoidance. Ganon-Elazar E, Akirav I. J Neurosci. 2009 Sep 9;29(36):11078-88.
http://www.jneurosci.org/content/29/36/11078.full.pdf+html
[Extinction of emotional response as a novel approach of pharmacotherapy of anxiety disorders]. Lehner M, Wisłowska-Stanek A, Płaznik A. Psychiatr Pol. 2009 Nov-Dec;43(6):639-53.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20209877
The Use of a Synthetic Cannabinoid in the Management of Treatment‐Resistant Nightmares in Posttraumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD). Fraser GA. CNS Neurosci Ther. 2009 Winter;15(1):84-8.
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1755-5949.2008.00071.x/pdf
Public policy
Harm reduction-the cannabis paradox. Melamede R. Harm Reduct J. 2005 Sep 22;2:17.
http://www.harmreductionjournal.com/content/pdf/1477-7517-2-17.pdf
Seizures
See sections 3.7 of Cannabinoids in medicine: A review of their therapeutic potential. Amar MB. Journal of Ethnopharmacology 105 (2006) 1–25.
http://www.ucla.edu.ve/dmedicin/departamentos/fisiologia/cannabinoidsRevPatologias.pdf
“Marijuana and Neurological Disorders” in Marijuana As Medicine? – The Science Behind the Controversy. Mack A and Joy J. National Academy of Science. National Academy Press, Washington DC 2000.
http://books.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=9586&page=115
Well, hi kids, y'all playing nice in the sandbox tonight? Nice bunch of references there, Mark. Happy New Year everyone, btw. :-) If I were still doing research and writing papers, I would say you covered a lot of bases here (and I sure don't miss that stinking APA format, lol). I might peruse a few at my leisure, way down the road a bit.Funny that you mention the APA format. I had another peer-reviewed paper published recently. I had written the paper using the APA format, but had to convert about 50 endnotes to follow the journal's unique endnote format. In the course of polishing the paper, I discovered that there are several new competing formats. What a headache.
Interesting how this thread generated 13+ pages of comments since Dec. 28! Mary Jane must be a thing for traditional Catholics. Who knew?!!
Here’s a question. Drinking a beer or glass of wine, having one mixed drink does not result in drunkenness for most people. Does smoking one joint get most people high?
IOW, can marijuana be “used in moderation” by most adults?
If it can, and occasional use does not result in an altered mental state, bodily harm, or progression to other, harder drugs, as was said in the 60’s and 70’s, then why should its moderate use be a sin? Wouldn’t it be on par with the moderate use of alcohol?
The reason I’m asking is NOT because I’m a marijuana user and want to defend it! I’m asking because I don’t know the answer.
I tried it once back in the 1970’s as a college student, and didn’t like how it made me feel, a bad case of brain fog after a few tokes. I can have a drink without mental effects. Every now and then, I like a glass of wine with dinner and don’t get drunk or even “buzzed.”
"They who are enlightened to walk in the way of perfection, and through lukewarmness wish to tread the ordinary paths, shall be abandoned". (Bl. Angela of Foligno)
"They who are to be saved as Saints, and wish to be saved as imperfect souls, shall not be saved". (Pope St. Gregory the Great)
It is not a sin to take a toke off of a potent MJ.
…You could ignore distinctions and pretend that all use of MJ is grave sin, and then create a false dilemma for someone at the hospital about whether they're allowed to take morphine for a broken arm. It's important to get it right and not to make meaningless generalizations.…
You added the "potent" part in there as a strawan. Clearly the principle is that it IS a grave sin to lose control of your reason without grave justification, and that it's a venial sin to slightly lose control without proportionate justification.What I wrote I thought could not be any clearer, but, I'll highlight the principle for you and any others that that did not completely understand the principle. I will add in red to explain the examples :
It is not about at what point some action first turns into a minor venial sin, or a medium venial sin, or a bad venial sin approaching a minor mortal sin, or a minor mortal sin..... It is about seeking perfection.
Those two quotes above should be sufficient to answer the question of whether a Catholic can use marijuana for recreational use and all the secular docuмents to the contrary are as nothing. That is why I do not waste my time studying error, it is legion, while the truth is one.
It is not a sin to not do the rosary every day (But a Catholic (BAC ) should strive towards doing at least one Mystery a day)
It is not a sin not to go to mass on weekdays (BAC should strive to go every day)
It is not a sin to arrive late to mass and leave after the Ite. (BAC should strive arrive early to do the rosary &pre-mass prayers, and stay after mass for thanksgiving prayers)
It is not a sin to not wear a suit and tie to mass (BAC should strive to wear a suit and a tie)
It is not a sin to wear jeans, t-shirts, flip flops, tank tops, sneakers, to dress bummy to (BAC should strive to wear a suit and a tie)
It is not a sin to wear a dress that is a few inches above the knee (BAC lady should strive to wear the clothes that Our Lady would approve of. )
It is not a sin to use NFP to have two children (BAC should strive to have the children God sends them or practice celibacy)
It is not a sin to have a few drinks every day after work. (BAC should forgo the drinks for other healthier and holier means of using their time)
It is not a sin to take a toke off of a potent MJ. [ A potency equivalent to having a few drinks every day after work, which is what I assume Mark79 is advocating, he'll have to clear that up. Good luck finding such a person! - (BAC should forgo the tokes for other healthier and holier means of using their time)]
It is not a sin to send one's children to a public school - (BAC should strive to send their children to a good Catholic school or homeschool.)
It is not a sin to go to the Novus Ordo (BAC should strive to go to the traditional mass and holy priests.)
Living the faith goes way beyond the base avoidance of venial sin, it is about seeking perfection. Recreational smoking of marijuana is plebian, trite, vulgar, and uninspired.
I remember once receiving two American interviewers on the same afternoon; there was a box of cigars in front of me and I offered one to each in turn. Their reaction (as they would probably call it) was very curious to watch. The first journalist stiffened suddenly and silently and declined in a very cold voice. He could not have conveyed more plainly that I had attempted to corrupt an honorable man with a foul and infamous indulgence; as if I were the Old Man of the Mountain offering him hashish that would turn him into an assassin. The second reaction was even more remarkable. The second journalist first looked doubtful; then looked sly; then seemed to glance about him nervously, as if wondering whether we were alone, and then said with a sort of crestfallen and covert smile: "Well, Mr. Chesterton, I'm afraid I have the habit."more (https://www.fisheaters.com/onamericanmorals.html)
As I also have the habit, and have never been able to imagine how it could be connected with morality or immorality, I confess that I plunged with him deeply into an immoral life. [...]
[...]
I would therefore venture to say to Miss Avis Carlson that the quarrel in question does not arise from the Yankee Puritans having too much morality, but from their having too little. It does not arise from their drawing too hard and fast a line of distinction between right and wrong, but from their being much to loose and indistinct. They go by associations and not by abstractions. Therefore they classify smoking with vamping or a flask in the pocket with sin in the soul. I hope at least that some of the Fundamentalists will succeed in being a little more fundamental than this. [...]
What I wrote I thought could not be any clearer, but, ...
I have said it all along, … [blah, blah, blah] … No Catholic … [blah, blah, blah] … The reason why Catholics who really live the faith … [blah, blah, blah] … Catholics… [blah, blah, blah] … … [blah, blah, blah] … a Catholic… [blah, blah, blah] … It is not a sin … [blah, blah, blah] …
Yeah, you (plural) are paragons of catholicity.Wow! I am flattered that you would take all that time to put together all that for me. I would never bother losing time like that. Of course it is all just your "convenient" view.
- Lie about what I have written and done....
- Complain about anonymity while being anonymous yourselves
https://www.cathinfo.com/fighting-errors-in-the-modern-world/marijuana-use-sinful-for-catholics/msg797698/#msg797698
More like quintessential Pharisees.
Wow! I am flattered that you would take all that time to put together all that for me. I would never bother losing time like that. Of course it is all just your "convenient" view.
Fr. Carl Pulvermacher told us once that one can never lie, even to save the world. I live by that priniciple, and to prove someone right or wrong on a forum by lying, is really puerile. I never think that someone is lying in a discussion, because the subjects are of no importance that I would have to lie, so I assume the person is just mistaken or I misunderstood them.
And what I wrote was clear as well, that perfection (the evangelical counsel, etc.) are not binding under pain of sin (that's what the examples I gave were for. It is not sin....). To conflate this as an unnecessary distinction is contrary to everything the Church has ever taught (my posting was very clear there is nothing to conflate. Moreover I added to it later in red to make it clearer for you) . Nor is it an imperfection, for instance, to drink a little wine (no kidding? Is that an epiphany?). Nor only did Our Lord do it, but He made it the matter for the Holy Mass. Of course, the Prots claim that it was really grape juice. (Why do you feel the need to defend occcasional wine drinking? Perhaps because you drink a little wine every so often and feel like I am stepping on your foot? Who cares?)What you wrote was not clear to me. If what you wrote was the above then I agree, with the distinctions above in red.
What you wrote was not clear to me. If what you wrote was the above then I agree, with the distinctions above in red.
Yeah, you (plural) are paragons of catholicity.
- Lie about what I have written and done
https://www.cathinfo.com/fighting-errors-in-the-modern-world/marijuana-use-sinful-for-catholics/msg797741/#msg797741
https://www.cathinfo.com/fighting-errors-in-the-modern-world/marijuana-use-sinful-for-catholics/msg797587/#msg797587
https://www.cathinfo.com/the-earth-god-made-flat-earth-geocentrism/marijuana-use-sinful-for-catholics/msg797402/#msg797402
https://www.cathinfo.com/fighting-errors-in-the-modern-world/marijuana-use-sinful-for-catholics/msg797792/#msg797792
https://www.cathinfo.com/fighting-errors-in-the-modern-world/marijuana-use-sinful-for-catholics/msg797996/#msg797996- Claim you don’t care about the morality and then pontificate on morality https://www.cathinfo.com/fighting-errors-in-the-modern-world/marijuana-use-sinful-for-catholics/msg797746/#msg797746
- Drag my children into the argument
https://www.cathinfo.com/fighting-errors-in-the-modern-world/marijuana-use-sinful-for-catholics/msg797825/#msg797825
https://www.cathinfo.com/fighting-errors-in-the-modern-world/marijuana-use-sinful-for-catholics/msg797830/#msg797830- Claim there is “no comparison” between MJ and EtOH and then proceed to make your evidence-free and flawed comparisons
https://www.cathinfo.com/fighting-errors-in-the-modern-world/marijuana-use-sinful-for-catholics/msg797698/#msg797698
https://www.cathinfo.com/fighting-errors-in-the-modern-world/marijuana-use-sinful-for-catholics/msg797726/#msg797726- Complain about straw men when the only straw men are the ones you (plural) have introduced
https://www.cathinfo.com/fighting-errors-in-the-modern-world/marijuana-use-sinful-for-catholics/msg797343/#msg797343- Ask for evidence
https://www.cathinfo.com/fighting-errors-in-the-modern-world/marijuana-use-sinful-for-catholics/msg797149/#msg797149
then boast about not using logic and not evaluating evidence presented https://www.cathinfo.com/fighting-errors-in-the-modern-world/marijuana-use-sinful-for-catholics/msg797478/#msg797478
https://www.cathinfo.com/fighting-errors-in-the-modern-world/marijuana-use-sinful-for-catholics/msg797587/#msg797587
https://www.cathinfo.com/fighting-errors-in-the-modern-world/marijuana-use-sinful-for-catholics/msg797478/#msg797478)- Pretend you can divine what is in articles you have not read
https://www.cathinfo.com/fighting-errors-in-the-modern-world/marijuana-use-sinful-for-catholics/msg797189/#msg797189- Hypocritical double-standards
https://www.cathinfo.com/fighting-errors-in-the-modern-world/marijuana-use-sinful-for-catholics/msg797276/#msg797276- Wallow in serial logical fallacies
https://www.cathinfo.com/fighting-errors-in-the-modern-world/marijuana-use-sinful-for-catholics/msg797487/#msg797487
https://www.cathinfo.com/fighting-errors-in-the-modern-world/marijuana-use-sinful-for-catholics/msg797487/#msg797487
https://www.cathinfo.com/fighting-errors-in-the-modern-world/marijuana-use-sinful-for-catholics/msg797746/#msg797746- Complain about personal attacks while engaging in personal attacks and innuendo https://www.cathinfo.com/fighting-errors-in-the-modern-world/marijuana-use-sinful-for-catholics/msg797736/#msg797736
https://www.cathinfo.com/the-earth-god-made-flat-earth-geocentrism/marijuana-use-sinful-for-catholics/msg797402/#msg797402
https://www.cathinfo.com/fighting-errors-in-the-modern-world/marijuana-use-sinful-for-catholics/msg797727/#msg797727
https://www.cathinfo.com/fighting-errors-in-the-modern-world/marijuana-use-sinful-for-catholics/msg797736/#msg797736
https://www.cathinfo.com/fighting-errors-in-the-modern-world/marijuana-use-sinful-for-catholics/msg797740/#msg797740
https://www.cathinfo.com/fighting-errors-in-the-modern-world/marijuana-use-sinful-for-catholics/msg797996/#msg797996
https://www.cathinfo.com/fighting-errors-in-the-modern-world/marijuana-use-sinful-for-catholics/msg797830/#msg797830- Gratuitous evidence-free [raving lunatic] assertions
https://www.cathinfo.com/the-earth-god-made-flat-earth-geocentrism/marijuana-use-sinful-for-catholics/msg797087/#msg797087- Rely on anecdotes while presenting no evidence [except for 1 anonymous lay article that is contradicted by the dozens of peer-reviewed articles in my bibliography]
https://www.cathinfo.com/fighting-errors-in-the-modern-world/marijuana-use-sinful-for-catholics/msg797093/#msg797093
https://www.cathinfo.com/fighting-errors-in-the-modern-world/marijuana-use-sinful-for-catholics/msg797096/#msg797096- Pretend you can accurately read the interior dispositions of others
https://www.cathinfo.com/fighting-errors-in-the-modern-world/marijuana-use-sinful-for-catholics/msg797123/#msg797123
https://www.cathinfo.com/the-earth-god-made-flat-earth-geocentrism/marijuana-use-sinful-for-catholics/msg797087/#msg797087
https://www.cathinfo.com/fighting-errors-in-the-modern-world/marijuana-use-sinful-for-catholics/msg797266/#msg797266
https://www.cathinfo.com/fighting-errors-in-the-modern-world/marijuana-use-sinful-for-catholics/msg797359/#msg797359- Pretend that anecdotes are equal to research
https://www.cathinfo.com/fighting-errors-in-the-modern-world/marijuana-use-sinful-for-catholics/msg797359/#msg797359
meanwhile telling a poster that your “research” is better than his experience https://www.cathinfo.com/fighting-errors-in-the-modern-world/marijuana-use-sinful-for-catholics/msg797366/#msg797366- Play the victim
https://www.cathinfo.com/fighting-errors-in-the-modern-world/marijuana-use-sinful-for-catholics/msg797569/#msg797569- Complain about anonymity while being anonymous yourselves
https://www.cathinfo.com/fighting-errors-in-the-modern-world/marijuana-use-sinful-for-catholics/msg797698/#msg797698
More like quintessential Pharisees.
In the long run, it is a time-saver to consolidate all your B.S. in one place for later reference.Yes, it is good that you did it, so you can go back and read it from my perspective, that there is no reason to lie about something that means absolutely nothing to me.
You Pharisees would do better to correct your own transgressions than to spend so much time scrutinizing, pontificating, and imagining faults in others.Ad-hominems are a good sign to me that something got through.
Yes, it is good that you did it, so you can go back and read it from my perspective, that there is no reason to lie about something that means absolutely nothing to me.Hilarious!
Now, if you came to my house to kill my family and threatened to kill me if I didn't tell you where I hid them, THATS a different story.
Ad-hominems are a good sign to me that something got through.Yes, I conclude you are a Pharisaical hypocrite.
Yes, I conclude you are a Pharisaical hypocrite.
You lied, then proudly proclaimed your impeccable honesty, cited your priestly inspiration for your "honesty," then rationalized your lie because you don't consider the matter important (but have spent a few days arguing about this supposedly unimportant-to-you subject).
You are morally and cognitively disordered, Rabbi.
Call it ad hominem if you wish. You and your Rebbetzin have earned the appellation, Rabbi.
You have earned the appellation, Rabbi.Christ was called Rabbi, don't make the mistake of giving that name someone that tells you what you do not want to hear, call them Hypocritical Sanctimonious Rabbi.
The nearer Christ, the Light, comes to a heart, the more it becomes conscious of its faults its imperfections; it will then either turn towards the truth and find peace, or else it will turn against it, because it is not yet ready to give up its loves.Repent of your promotion of recreational use of MJ on the internet, it will confuse people to use it and destroy their lives, just as it has been doing through all of history.
Repent of your promotion of recreational use of MJ on the internet…
Repent of your promotion of recreational use of MJ on the internet, ...
You have him confused for me. :laugh1: Mark was referring to medical uses.
Recreationally, I'd rather see someone smoke MJ than drink alcohol. In no rational world is that a call for anyone lay around smoking weed all day and then spend all night at an orgy.
Lying again, Rabbi.Is it just an oversight that you didn't post my entire quote?:
I advocate ("promote") appropriate and judicious medical use of marijuana.
I do NOT advocate ("promote") recreational use of marijuana (or alcohol). I TOLERATE such recreational use in NORMAL people.
Repent your Pharisaism.
Repent of your promotion of recreational use of MJ on the internet, it will confuse people to use it and destroy their lives, just as it has been doing through all of history.
"Those who fail to heed the lessons of history, are doomed to repeat it".
Since morphine, opium, chloroform and similar
drugs can also deprive one of the use of his reason temporarily,
that which was said of intoxicating drinks holds
also for narcotics (Cf. 165, 4).
To use narcotics in small quantities and only
occasionally, is a venial sin if done without a sufficient
reason. Any proportionately good reason justifies their
use, e.g., to calm the nerves, dispel insomnia, etc.
Such use becomes gravely sinful if it creates an habitual craving
for "dope" which is more difficult to overcome than dipsomania
and more injurious to health.
To use drugs in greater quantities so as to lose
the use of one's reason is in itself a mortal sin; but for
a good reason it is permissible.
Such a good reason is had in case of operations, i.e., that the
patient be rendered insensible to intense pain, or that one might
remain calm under the knife. In like manner one may administer
opiates to one who is suffering greatly in order to alleviate his pain.
Is it just an oversight that you didn't post my entire quote?:Nothing in your rationalization mitigates your lie.
As I said, morally AND cognitively disordered.You are promoting recreational use right on this post, but you do not see it? Here is a comparison between what I wrote and what I read above that you wrote about drinking:
I have clearly stated and provided evidence that alcohol is more toxic than MJ.
Why wouldn't I "rather" a less toxic over a more toxic alternative.
None of that is "promoting" recreational use, only more willing to tolerate a less toxic choice than a toxic choice.
LT wrote: It is not a sin to have a few drinks every day after work. (But a catholic should strive to forgo the drinks for other healthier and holier means of using their time)
Mark79 wrote: Alcohol is more toxic than MJ. Why would anyone not choose a less toxic over a more toxic alternative?
You are promoting recreational use right on this post, but you do not see it? Here is a comparison between what I wrote and what I read above that you wrote about drinking:
I am telling people to strive for that perfection, you are telling them to switch to pot. You are promoting recreational use of marijuana as a healthy replacement for liquor.
Yeah, you (plural) are paragons of catholicity.
- Lie about what I have written and done
https://www.cathinfo.com/fighting-errors-in-the-modern-world/marijuana-use-sinful-for-catholics/msg797741/#msg797741
https://www.cathinfo.com/fighting-errors-in-the-modern-world/marijuana-use-sinful-for-catholics/msg797587/#msg797587
https://www.cathinfo.com/the-earth-god-made-flat-earth-geocentrism/marijuana-use-sinful-for-catholics/msg797402/#msg797402
https://www.cathinfo.com/fighting-errors-in-the-modern-world/marijuana-use-sinful-for-catholics/msg797792/#msg797792
https://www.cathinfo.com/fighting-errors-in-the-modern-world/marijuana-use-sinful-for-catholics/msg797996/#msg797996- Claim you don’t care about the morality and then pontificate on morality https://www.cathinfo.com/fighting-errors-in-the-modern-world/marijuana-use-sinful-for-catholics/msg797746/#msg797746
- Drag my children into the argument
https://www.cathinfo.com/fighting-errors-in-the-modern-world/marijuana-use-sinful-for-catholics/msg797825/#msg797825
https://www.cathinfo.com/fighting-errors-in-the-modern-world/marijuana-use-sinful-for-catholics/msg797830/#msg797830- Claim there is “no comparison” between MJ and EtOH and then proceed to make your evidence-free and flawed comparisons
https://www.cathinfo.com/fighting-errors-in-the-modern-world/marijuana-use-sinful-for-catholics/msg797698/#msg797698
https://www.cathinfo.com/fighting-errors-in-the-modern-world/marijuana-use-sinful-for-catholics/msg797726/#msg797726- Complain about straw men when the only straw men are the ones you (plural) have introduced
https://www.cathinfo.com/fighting-errors-in-the-modern-world/marijuana-use-sinful-for-catholics/msg797343/#msg797343- Ask for evidence
https://www.cathinfo.com/fighting-errors-in-the-modern-world/marijuana-use-sinful-for-catholics/msg797149/#msg797149
then boast about not using logic and not evaluating evidence presented https://www.cathinfo.com/fighting-errors-in-the-modern-world/marijuana-use-sinful-for-catholics/msg797478/#msg797478
https://www.cathinfo.com/fighting-errors-in-the-modern-world/marijuana-use-sinful-for-catholics/msg797587/#msg797587
https://www.cathinfo.com/fighting-errors-in-the-modern-world/marijuana-use-sinful-for-catholics/msg797478/#msg797478)- Pretend you can divine what is in articles you have not read
https://www.cathinfo.com/fighting-errors-in-the-modern-world/marijuana-use-sinful-for-catholics/msg797189/#msg797189- Hypocritical double-standards
https://www.cathinfo.com/fighting-errors-in-the-modern-world/marijuana-use-sinful-for-catholics/msg797276/#msg797276- Wallow in serial logical fallacies
https://www.cathinfo.com/fighting-errors-in-the-modern-world/marijuana-use-sinful-for-catholics/msg797487/#msg797487
https://www.cathinfo.com/fighting-errors-in-the-modern-world/marijuana-use-sinful-for-catholics/msg797487/#msg797487
https://www.cathinfo.com/fighting-errors-in-the-modern-world/marijuana-use-sinful-for-catholics/msg797746/#msg797746- Complain about personal attacks while engaging in personal attacks and innuendo https://www.cathinfo.com/fighting-errors-in-the-modern-world/marijuana-use-sinful-for-catholics/msg797736/#msg797736
https://www.cathinfo.com/the-earth-god-made-flat-earth-geocentrism/marijuana-use-sinful-for-catholics/msg797402/#msg797402
https://www.cathinfo.com/fighting-errors-in-the-modern-world/marijuana-use-sinful-for-catholics/msg797727/#msg797727
https://www.cathinfo.com/fighting-errors-in-the-modern-world/marijuana-use-sinful-for-catholics/msg797736/#msg797736
https://www.cathinfo.com/fighting-errors-in-the-modern-world/marijuana-use-sinful-for-catholics/msg797740/#msg797740
https://www.cathinfo.com/fighting-errors-in-the-modern-world/marijuana-use-sinful-for-catholics/msg797996/#msg797996
https://www.cathinfo.com/fighting-errors-in-the-modern-world/marijuana-use-sinful-for-catholics/msg797830/#msg797830- Gratuitous evidence-free [raving lunatic] assertions
https://www.cathinfo.com/the-earth-god-made-flat-earth-geocentrism/marijuana-use-sinful-for-catholics/msg797087/#msg797087- Rely on anecdotes while presenting no evidence [except for 1 anonymous lay article that is contradicted by the dozens of peer-reviewed articles in my bibliography]
https://www.cathinfo.com/fighting-errors-in-the-modern-world/marijuana-use-sinful-for-catholics/msg797093/#msg797093
https://www.cathinfo.com/fighting-errors-in-the-modern-world/marijuana-use-sinful-for-catholics/msg797096/#msg797096- Pretend you can accurately read the interior dispositions of others
https://www.cathinfo.com/fighting-errors-in-the-modern-world/marijuana-use-sinful-for-catholics/msg797123/#msg797123
https://www.cathinfo.com/the-earth-god-made-flat-earth-geocentrism/marijuana-use-sinful-for-catholics/msg797087/#msg797087
https://www.cathinfo.com/fighting-errors-in-the-modern-world/marijuana-use-sinful-for-catholics/msg797266/#msg797266
https://www.cathinfo.com/fighting-errors-in-the-modern-world/marijuana-use-sinful-for-catholics/msg797359/#msg797359- Pretend that anecdotes are equal to research
https://www.cathinfo.com/fighting-errors-in-the-modern-world/marijuana-use-sinful-for-catholics/msg797359/#msg797359
meanwhile telling a poster that your “research” is better than his experience https://www.cathinfo.com/fighting-errors-in-the-modern-world/marijuana-use-sinful-for-catholics/msg797366/#msg797366- Play the victim
https://www.cathinfo.com/fighting-errors-in-the-modern-world/marijuana-use-sinful-for-catholics/msg797569/#msg797569- Complain about anonymity while being anonymous yourselves
https://www.cathinfo.com/fighting-errors-in-the-modern-world/marijuana-use-sinful-for-catholics/msg797698/#msg797698
More like quintessential Pharisees.
Was Jesus' first public miracle performed purely for medicinal purposes? Asking for a friend. :cowboy:That was the miracle of Our Lord turning vases of water into the finest wine at the wedding feast. People have been drinking wine since the time of Adam and Eve, that's like 7200+ years. On the other hand, according to the "gospel" of your friend, he knows better today, and they were wrong, they should have been smoking marijuana instead for it is less toxic.
Mark79 wrote: Alcohol is more toxic than MJ. Why would anyone not choose a less toxic over a more toxic alternative?
The above represents NO CHURCH AUTHORITY & is only an opinion. I would like to remind everyone that Charles Manson & OJ Simpson DID NOT SMOKE MARY JUANITA... :popcorn:LOL. Yeah, but did the glove fit? :laugh1:
Are you unable to move MJ talk to the dead horse MJ thread?
Mark 79, here is your proof. Your own quotes below! Maybe you should ask your job why they test for pot users and show them your PEER REVIEWED EVEIDENCE. Typical crypto Jєω, always using studies to contradict reality and push their agenda.:laugh1::fryingpan:
I have put my MJ evidence "on the table" in the relevant thread. If you think you can provide peer-reviewed evidence to support your gratuitous opinion, put yours on the table in the relevant thread. Quickly, because I am holding my breath. (https://www.cathinfo.com/Smileys/classic/laugh2.gif)
If I didn't have a job that requires testing, I would probably try MJ occasionally. :laugh1:Pathetic.
If you can think your way out of a paper bag…
On September 11, 1973, Chile ridded itself of the Communist Allende regime.
16 years later, the man who got rid of the Godless communists in Chile, Gen. Augusto Pinochet, freely handed over power to a "democratically elected" leftist.
Fast forward 32 years.
Yesterday, the first so-called same-sex marriages occurred in Chile (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-60690266).
Today, a "democratically elected" Marxist millennial becomes president of the country (https://www.trtworld.com/americas/millennial-president-takes-charge-in-chile-with-plans-for-big-reforms-55453).
At this point, this formerly 95%+ Catholic country is anything but.
:facepalm:
:'(
Start here, my bibliography for a series of 8 articles I wrote about medical marijuana in 2010-2011 when it was an issue in our state:
Important reviews
University of California Center for Medical Cannabis Research—2010 Report to the Legislature
http://www.cmcr.ucsd.edu/images/pdfs/CMCR_REPORT_FEB17.pdf
Review on clinical studies with cannabis and cannabinoids 2005-2009. Hazecamp A and Grotenhermen F. Cannabinoids 2010;5(special issue):1-21.
www.cannabis-med.org/data/pdf/en_2010_01_special.pdf
Cannabinoids in medicine: A review of their therapeutic potential. Amar MB. Journal of Ethnopharmacology 105 (2006) 1–25.
http://www.ucla.edu.ve/dmedicin/departamentos/fisiologia/cannabinoidsRevPatologias.pdf
Emerging Clinical Applications for Cannabis and Cannabinoids: A Review of the Recent Scientific Literature, 2000 – 2010. Armentano P. NORML Foundation, Washington DC 2010.
http://norml.org/pdf_files/NORML_Clinical_Applications_for_Cannabis_and_Cannabinoids.pdf
Marijuana and Medicine: Assessing the Science Base. National Academy of Science Institute of Medicine, 1999
http://www.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=6376
popularized in: Marijuana As Medicine? – The Science Behind the Controversy. Mack A and Joy J. National Academy of Science. National Academy Press, Washington DC 2000.
http://books.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=9586&page=R1
AIDS/HIV
University of California Center for Medical Cannabis Research—2010 Report to the Legislature
http://www.cmcr.ucsd.edu/images/pdfs/CMCR_REPORT_FEB17.pdf
Human Immunodeficiency Virus (HIV)
http://www.norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=7485
“Marijuana and AIDS” in Marijuana As Medicine? – The Science Behind the Controversy. Mack A and Joy J. National Academy of Science. National Academy Press, Washington DC 2000.
http://books.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=9586&page=86
ALS (Amyotrophic Lateral Sclerosis, Lou Gehrig's Disease)
Amyotrophic Lateral Sclerosis (ALS)
http://www.norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=7004
Alzheimer's Disease
Alzheimer's Disease
http://norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=7003
Cachexia. Wasting syndrome
See sections 3.1 and 3.2 of Cannabinoids in medicine: A review of their therapeutic potential. Amar MB. Journal of Ethnopharmacology 105 (2006) 1–25.
http://www.ucla.edu.ve/dmedicin/departamentos/fisiologia/cannabinoidsRevPatologias.pdf
Cancer
Gliomas/Cancer
http://www.norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=7008
“Marijuana and Cancer” in Marijuana As Medicine? – The Science Behind the Controversy. Mack A and Joy J. National Academy of Science. National Academy Press, Washington DC 2000.
http://books.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=9586&page=95
Cannabis and Cannabinoids (PDQ®). National Cancer Institute. 2011.
http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/pdq/cam/cannabis/healthprofessional/page1
Cardiovascular disease
The Potential for Clinical Use of Cannabinoids in Treatment
of Cardiovascular Diseases. Durst R and Lotan C. Cardiovascular Therapeutics 2011 Feb;29(1):17-22. doi: 10.1111/j.1755-5922.2010.00233.x. Epub 2010 Oct 14.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20946323
The emerging role of the endocannabinoid system in cardiovascular disease. Pacher P, Steffens S. Semin Immunopathol. 2009 Jun;31(1):63-77. Epub 2009 Apr 9.
http://www.springerlink.com/content/a04103g160h16450/fulltext.pdf
Cannabinoid receptors in atherosclerosis. Steffens S, Mach F. Curr Opin Lipidol. 2006 Oct;17(5):519-26.
http://journals.lww.com/co-lipidology/Abstract/2006/10000/Cannabinoid_receptors_in_atherosclerosis.5.aspx
Cannabinoid receptors in acute and chronic complications of atherosclerosis. Mach F, Montecucco F, Steffens S. Br J Pharmacol. 2008 January; 153(2): 290–298.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2219535/pdf/0707517a.pdf
Endocannabinoids and cannabinoid receptors in ischaemia-reperfusion injury and preconditioning. Pacher P, Haskó G. Br J Pharmacol. 2008 Jan;153(2):252-62. Epub 2007 Nov 19.
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1038/sj.bjp.0707582/pdf
The role of the endocannabinoid system in atherosclerosis. Mach F, Steffens S. J Neuroendocrinol. 2008 May;20 Suppl 1:53-7.
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1365-2826.2008.01685.x/pdf
Cardiovascular Effects of Cannabis | Medicinal Cannabis Information. Independent Drug Monitoring Unit, United Kingdom, undated
http://www.idmu.co.uk/canncardio.htm
Crohns Disease
Gastrointestinal Disorders
http://www.norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=7009
Endocannabinoid sysytem
The Endocannabinoid System as an Emerging Target of Pharmacotherapy. National Institute of Health: Pacher P, Bátkai S, Kunos G. Pharmacol Rev. 2006 Sep;58(3):389-462.
http://pharmrev.aspetjournals.org/content/58/3/389.full.pdf
Endocrine disease, diabetes
The emerging role of the endocannabinoid system in endocrine regulation and energy balance. Pagotto U, Marsicano G, Cota D, Lutz B, Pasquali R. Endocr Rev. 2006 Feb;27(1):73-100. Epub 2005 Nov 23.
http://fk.uwks.ac.id/elib/Arsip/Departemen/Biokimia/The%20Emerging%20Role%20of%20the%20Endocannabinoid%20System.pdf
Fibromyalgia
Nabilone for the Treatment of Pain in Fibromyalgia. Skrabek RQ, Galimova L, Ethans K, Perry D. J Pain. 2008 Feb;9(2):164-73. Epub 2007 Nov 5.
http://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:9gDyCVhqJSMJ:files.meetup.com/404848/2008_Nabilone-for-the-Treatment-of-Pain-in-Fibromyalgia.pdf+Nabilone+for+the+Treatment+of+Pain+in+Fibromyalgia&hl=en&gl=us&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEESjFGavzxEJkBjsOj_YyWPHuo5PRG034PLna8X6n3sXGT696PVuaEH15HF07xVpfV10wLPfon8-nZoD0RcJfU6LInnuqHOGpKDECN4oQ6OWBgGgwXWckH2QB31FTn1BZn0KX9U7A&sig=AHIEtbQlDN8uMzxJIm6KKL0POTJdhmbsvg
Delta-9-THC based monotherapy in fibromyalgia patients on experimentally induced pain, axon reflex flare, and pain relief. Schley M, Legler A, Skopp G, Schmelz M, Konrad C, Rukwied R. Curr Med Res Opin. 2006 Jul;22(7):1269-76.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16834825
Fibromyalgia
http://norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=7007
Glaucoma
American Glaucoma Society position statement: Marijuana and the treatment of glaucoma. American Glaucoma Society, Prepared by Henry Jampel, M.D., M.H.S., August 10, 2009
http://www.americanglaucomasociety.net/associations/5224/files/Marijuana%20and%20Glaucoma%20august%2030_BOD%20Approved%2010.23.09.pdf
Marijuana and Glaucoma” in Marijuana As Medicine? – The Science Behind the Controversy. Mack A and Joy J. National Academy of Science. National Academy Press, Washington DC 2000.
http://books.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=9586&page=124
Hepatitis C
Hepatitis C
http://www.norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=7010
Marijuana effects, drug levels, DUI
Marijuana effect and delta9-tetrahydrocannabinol plasma level. Chiang CWN and Barnett G. Clinical Pharmacology and Therapeutics 1984 Aug;36(2):234-8.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/6086207
Contact highs and urinary cannabinoids excretion after passive exposure to marijuana smoke. Cone EJ and Johnson RE. Clinical Pharmacology and Therapeutics 1986 Sep;40(3):247-56.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3017628
Do delta9-tetrahydrocannabinol concentrations indicate recent use in chronic cannabis users? Karschner EL, Schwilke EW, Lowe RH, Darwin WD, Pope HG, Herning R, Cadet JL, Huestis MA. Addiction. 2009 Dec;104(12):2041-8. Epub 2009 Oct 5.
http://www.clinchem.org/cgi/reprint/49/7/1114
Developing limits for driving under cannabis. Grotenhermen F, Leson G, Berghaus G, Drummer OH, Krüger HP, Longo M, Moskowitz H, Perrine B, Ramaekers JG, Smiley A, Tunbridge R. Addiction 2007 Dec;102(12):1910-7. Epub 2007 Oct 4.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17916224
Urinary cannabinoid detection times after controlled oral administration of delta9-tetrahydrocannabinol to humans. Gustafson RA, Levine B, Stout PR, Klette KL, George MP, Moolchan ET, Huestis MA. Clin Chem. 2003 Jul;49(7):1114-24.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12816908
Editorial: Practical Challenges to Positive Drug Tests for Marijuana. ElSohly MA. Clin Chem. 2003 Jul;49(7):1037-8.
http://www.clinchem.org/cgi/reprint/49/7/1037
Dose related risk of motor vehicle crashes after cannabis use. Ramaekers JG, Berghaus G, van Laar M, Drummer OH. Drug Alcohol Depend. 2004 Feb 7;73(2):109-19.
http://www.ukcia.org/research/DoseRelatedRiskOfCrashes.pdf
Tolerance and cross-tolerance to neurocognitive effects of THC and alcohol in heavy cannabis users. Ramaekers JG, Theunissen EL, de Brouwer M, Toennes SW, Moeller MR, Kauert G. Psychopharmacology (Berl). 2011 Mar;214(2):391-401. Epub 2010 Oct 30.
http://www.cannabistherapyinstitute.com/bills/dui/raemakers.etal.pdf
Cannabis and Driving: A Scientific and Rational Review. Armentano P. NORML Foundation, Washington DC 2010
http://norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=7459
Sex differences in the effects of marijuana on simulated driving performance. Anderson BM, Rizzo M, Block RI, Pearlson GD, O'Leary DS. J Psychoactive Drugs. 2010 Mar;42(1):19-30.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3033009/
Effects of THC on driving performance, physiological state and subjective feelings relative to alcohol. Ronen A, Gershon P, Drobiner H, Rabinovich A, Bar-Hamburger R, Mechoulam R, Cassuto Y, Shinar D. Accid Anal Prev. 2008 May;40(3):926-34. Epub 2007 Nov 26.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18460360
Muscle Spasms
Dystonia
http://www.norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=7006
“Marijuana and Muscle Spasticity” in Marijuana As Medicine? – The Science Behind the Controversy. Mack A and Joy J. National Academy of Science. National Academy Press, Washington DC 2000.
http://books.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=9586&page=106
Nausea
See sections 3.1 of Cannabinoids in medicine: A review of their therapeutic potential. Amar MB. Journal of Ethnopharmacology 105 (2006) 1–25.
http://www.ucla.edu.ve/dmedicin/departamentos/fisiologia/cannabinoidsRevPatologias.pdf
Pain
University of California Center for Medical Cannabis Research—2010 Report to the Legislature
http://www.cmcr.ucsd.edu/images/pdfs/CMCR_REPORT_FEB17.pdf
Chronic Pain
http://www.norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=7786
“Marijuana and Pain” in Marijuana As Medicine? – The Science Behind the Controversy. Mack A and Joy J. National Academy of Science. National Academy Press, Washington DC 2000.
http://books.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=9586&page=77#
Post traumatic Stress Disorder
Cannabinoid receptor activation in the basolateral amygdala blocks the effects of stress on the conditioning and extinction of inhibitory avoidance. Ganon-Elazar E, Akirav I. J Neurosci. 2009 Sep 9;29(36):11078-88.
http://www.jneurosci.org/content/29/36/11078.full.pdf+html
[Extinction of emotional response as a novel approach of pharmacotherapy of anxiety disorders]. Lehner M, Wisłowska-Stanek A, Płaznik A. Psychiatr Pol. 2009 Nov-Dec;43(6):639-53.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20209877
The Use of a Synthetic Cannabinoid in the Management of Treatment‐Resistant Nightmares in Posttraumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD). Fraser GA. CNS Neurosci Ther. 2009 Winter;15(1):84-8.
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1755-5949.2008.00071.x/pdf
Public policy
Harm reduction-the cannabis paradox. Melamede R. Harm Reduct J. 2005 Sep 22;2:17.
http://www.harmreductionjournal.com/content/pdf/1477-7517-2-17.pdf
Seizures
See sections 3.7 of Cannabinoids in medicine: A review of their therapeutic potential. Amar MB. Journal of Ethnopharmacology 105 (2006) 1–25.
http://www.ucla.edu.ve/dmedicin/departamentos/fisiologia/cannabinoidsRevPatologias.pdf
“Marijuana and Neurological Disorders” in Marijuana As Medicine? – The Science Behind the Controversy. Mack A and Joy J. National Academy of Science. National Academy Press, Washington DC 2000.
http://books.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=9586&page=115
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Are you unable to move MJ talk to the dead horse MJ thread?The docuмentary I posted is from Russia.
In other words, you have no peer-reviewed evidence.
Will you also justify the laws from the same nation that gave you sodomite marriage and perpetual war and mandates for deadly gene therapy mandates?
The docuмentary I posted is from Russia.As I said, interviews with anti-MJ activists.
As I said, interviews with anti-MJ activists.Retard didn't even watch it. Pot has gotten to ya
Infomercials have more objective information that that so-called "docuмentary."
Retard didn't even watch it. Pot has gotten to yaThe number of people who think they can read hearts, minds, and souls is increasing.
Retard didn't even watch it. Pot has gotten to ya
But I say to you, that whosoever is angry with his brother, shall be in danger of the judgment. And whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council. And whosoever shall say, Thou Fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.
Matthew 5:22
The number of people who think they can read hearts, minds, and souls is increasing.
I gave the hour long video an honest chance, reviewed each section until the end. I already mentioned the interviews of anti-MJ activists. I had not mentioned the even more laughable content, cherry-picked clips of teenagers. Truly it's a 2022 version of the Reefer Madness movie (Yeah, I watched that one too).
On the matter of retards—who is the retard?
(a) The guy who spent a few months reading dozens of peer-reviewed articles (every one of those posted above) including the reviews by the Institute of Medicine, National Academy of Science, and the University of California Center for Medical Cannabis Research?
or
(b) The guy who has nothing but name-calling, lying accusations of MJ use, and a farcical polemic with anti-MJ advocates and purple-hair, nose-ring teens?
I was quite clear that I do NOT use MJ. I endorse its appropriate medical use and I tolerate its appropriate recreational use, as with alcohol. Some people (e.g., mentally unstable people, people with substance abuse problems) should not use either MJ or alcohol. So, it isn't "pot" that has "gotten to me"; it is people who cannot back up their opinions that have "gotten to me."
Pulling the "I'm smarter than everyone else in the room" thing doesn't really make as good a case as you might think.
Pulling the "I know what is in your heart, mind, and soul" thing doesn't really make as good a case as you might think.
Pulling the "offering farcical videos" thing doesn't really make as good a case as you might think.
Pulling the "because Meg says so" thing doesn't really make as good a case as you might think.
Overcome your ill-will and dyslexia. I never claimed to be smarter, only that I put in the work and I consulted better evidence than activists and purple-haired/nose-ringed teens.
If you cared to read and comprehend, you see in this thread that doing the work to find better evidence overcame my initial opinion.
You do not overtly claim to be smarter. But you claim that your studies put an end to all debate. No one is more intelligent than you are on the subject, isn't that correct?Are you dyslexic? Or a habitual liar? Importantly those are not "my" studies, they are studies in which several hundred physicians and researchers participated—the work of hundreds over decades. If you want to impugn the dozens of studies I have cited, impugning me does not undercut even one of those studies. To make your case, you need to offer counter-evidence.
Are you dyslexic? Or a habitual liar? Importantly those are not "my" studies, they are studies in which several hundred physicians and researchers participated—the work of hundreds over decades. If you want to impugn the dozens of studies I have cited, impugning me does not undercut even one of those studies. To make your case, you need to offer counter-evidence.
Quote verbatim and link precisely where I "claim that ['my'] studies put an end to all debate."
I have repeatedly called for substantive counter-evidence from you and the other anti-MJ zealots.
If the "debate was over," I wouldn't ask for counter-evidence. Evidence made me change my opinion the first time. Stronger counter-evidence could prompt me once again to revise my opinion.
So far, that counter-evidence ( :laugh2: 'scuuze me for laughing again :laugh2: ) consists of gratuitous assertions, a farcical video, and…[drum roll]… you, Meg, professing that you know the true intent of medical patients. You cannot read their minds, hearts, and souls. You are an ill-willed fraud.
Your "not overtly" dodge infers that you imagine that you can read my "covert" purpose. In other words, you persist in imagining that you can read my heart, mind, and soul. Your presumption of such a charism is laughable and likely damaging in your home.
If you insist on making personal attacks, don't expect that I will not make such honest observations.
What's a "Behar?"
I will read some of them. Why did you have to post so many? I will consider the evidence.
Some of us have had personal experience with potheads. I recall seeing a bumper sticker when I was a teen in the '70's. It said...."Are you stoned, or just stupid?"
I don't think that pot is as benign and wonderful as you make it out to be. It still takes one away from reality. So does alcohol. If someone needs that, then fine. But they shouldn't pretend that it's just for "medical" reasons.
Are you dyslexic? Or a habitual liar? .....You are an ill-willed fraud.... You are wicked ...Using personal attacks to complain about personal attacks?
If you insist on making personal attacks.
Yes, I do believe that the intent, for most who smoke pot, is to get high. And....there can be serious side effects.
Using personal attacks to complain about personal attacks?Read your own early posts in this thread, hypocrite.
I tolerate its appropriate recreational use, as with alcohol. Some people (e.g., mentally unstable people, people with substance abuse problems) should not use either MJ or alcohol.How does one know that their children are mentally unstable or prone to substance abuse?
Don't evade the fact, jerk, You are the jerk that brought my children into this discussion:LOL, I believe in that case too, I came into the conversation because you were picking on Meg.
https://www.cathinfo.com/fighting-errors-in-the-modern-world/marijuana-use-sinful-for-catholics/msg797830/#msg797830 (https://www.cathinfo.com/fighting-errors-in-the-modern-world/marijuana-use-sinful-for-catholics/msg797830/#msg797830)
We are 17 pages into this subject. If you had serious counter-evidence, you'd already have posted it.Not one word from me in those 17 pages, I just came in and asked two questions and you can't even answer that.
Yes, I do believe that the intent, for most who smoke pot, is to get high. And....there can be serious side effects.A verbatim quote. Nothing added, nothing "twisted."
A verbatim quote. Nothing added, nothing "twisted."
You are a liar.
Mark 79,
You must have been bothered by my question regarding who it is that has paid you to interview hundreds of MJ users.
Really? "Not one word"?I didn't even notice this is the same thread as before from like 4 months ago, it seems like years ago to me, long forgotten. Anyhow serves me right for letting you change the subject. Till you answer my clear questions, there's no point in writing anything else but my observation and questions:
Several words from you about my children:
https://www.cathinfo.com/fighting-errors-in-the-modern-world/marijuana-use-sinful-for-catholics/msg797830/#msg797830 (https://www.cathinfo.com/fighting-errors-in-the-modern-world/marijuana-use-sinful-for-catholics/msg797830/#msg797830)
and then again several more words about my children: https://www.cathinfo.com/fighting-errors-in-the-modern-world/marijuana-use-sinful-for-catholics/msg812609/#msg812609 (https://www.cathinfo.com/fighting-errors-in-the-modern-world/marijuana-use-sinful-for-catholics/msg812609/#msg812609)
and still nothing from you but B.S.
What I just wrote is as clear as day, but I'll even spell it out for you: your saying you tolerate "responsible" recreational use of marijuana is bad advice for young people, it is akin to saying that you tolerate touching, fondling, French kissing, but you are against pre-marital sex.
Do you have children or grandchildren using marijuana "recreationally" M79?
How do you know that they are using it "appropriately" and that they are not prone to "substance abuse"?
I didn't even notice this is the same thread as before. Anyhow serves me right for letting you change the subject. You are not going to answer my clear questions, so no point in saying anything other than my observation and questions:
What makes you think you can interrogate meI figured I was talking to a man with conviction that practices what he preaches. Or are you just all talk? Where the rubber meets the road how has what you preach worked with your children? Or are you recommending other parents do something you do not practice on your children?
What I just wrote is as clear as day, but I'll even spell it out for you: your saying you tolerate "responsible" recreational use of marijuana is bad advice for young people, it is akin to saying that you tolerate touching, fondling, French kissing, but you are against pre-marital sex.
Do you have children or grandchildren using marijuana "recreationally" M79?
How do you know that they are using it "appropriately" and that they are not prone to "substance abuse"?
You must be bothered that you can cite NO SERIOUS EVIDENCE to support your anti-MJ frothing.
Further ill-will from you. I described speaking with hundreds of people during my medical MJ activism. I never described those interactions as "interviews." People simply thanked me for my activism and shared
their problems that were benefitted by their medical use of MJ. I certainly have not been paid for any of my activism… not for my antiwar activism… not for my anti-sodomite pedo priest activism… not for pro-life activism… not for my gun rights activism… not for my medical MJ activism… not for running for state senate. Decades of activism, not paid ever. Shove your innuendo.
You make it ever more clear why your [Behar]ness creates problems at home that you act out here.
No, I cannot cite anything other than my personal experience with potheads (plural, not singular). I'm just a simple housewife, not anyone special, unlike yourself.
Yes, you did say that you interviewed hundreds of Mj users. So...you were not paid for your "ACTIVISM." Activism is not really a good term to use on a Catholic forum. It brings up all kinds of images of liberal notions. Why would you be so dedicated in MJ activism? How bizarre. For a supposed Catholic, that is.
In all of the years that I've participated on trad Catholic forums, I've never seen anyone use the word "behar." I assume that this is from some sort of Zionist background that you have.
I figured I was talking to a man with conviction that practices what he preaches. Or are you just all talk? Where the rubber meets the road how has what you preach worked with your children? Or are you recommending other parents do something you do not practice on your children?What an arrogant B.S.-er.
Still no serious evidence.
At least I've not been a serious activist, as you have, for potheads.
At least I have a happy and Catholic home life.
Then why spend so much of your time in pot activism, and exposing the Jєωs?
Then why are you such a Behar?
You have a penchant for using Zionist terminology.The personality you act out here is likely why you have problems at home.
The personality you act out here is likely why you have problems at home.
How do you support your family, when you spend so much time on this forum....?
Says she with more than 4500 posts!
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What an arrogant B.S.-er.Just asking you two simple questions over and over which apparently you are afraid of answering, instead you take out your frustrations by attacking Meg, a lady, not very noble. Man up, what are you afraid of?
Unable to muster any serious evidence, you offer only innuendo.
You talk like you will be sitting in the Judgment Seat.
I figured I was talking to a man with conviction that practices what he preaches. Or are you just all talk? Where the rubber meets the road how has what you preach worked with your children? Or are you recommending other parents do something you do not practice on your children?
What I just wrote is as clear as day, but I'll even spell it out for you: your saying you tolerate "responsible" recreational use of marijuana is bad advice for young people, it is akin to saying that you tolerate touching, fondling, French kissing, but you are against pre-marital sex.
Do you have children or grandchildren using marijuana "recreationally" M79?
How do you know that they are using it "appropriately" and that they are not prone to "substance abuse"?
Using personal attacks to complain about personal attacks?I have known Mark 79 personally for many years. I can and do hereby attest to his upright moral integrity as a devoutly traditional Roman Catholic and a dedicated family man. I believe that God has blessed him with a keen intellect which he has not let go to waste. Moreover, I can personally attest to his being a man with strong and godly convictions -- one who is not afraid out of human respect, or otherwise, to hide them under the proverbial bushel basket. Indeed, he has a godly fighting spirit!
Charity- I don't know you or Mark 79. Everyone here is operating from behind an electronic curtain, so- to speak. However, if what you say is true about Mark 79, then I do apologize for accusing him of being phony and a crypto Jєω. In spite of that, the steady, consistent diet of what the SS is up to is really(my opinion) in a sense a diversion of time and energy best spent on prayer and reparation. To know what the SS is up to and wants for every catholic individually and for the church as a whole, study the crucifix and passion Christ. Thats all that is necessary. If Catholics pray like they mean it and were praying like they mean it, the SS would have very little success against the church.
Also, in spite of your testimony to the upright moral integrity of Mark 79, I would never associate with him because of his reckless position on smoking pot. There is nothing upright about the destruction caused by smoking pot. Studies don't change reality. By the way, how many of those peer reviewed studies on pot were done by members of the tribe? The military, civil service jobs and Mark 79's own job prohibit pot use because it is not harmless. I don't see how someone can "tolerate" this destructive vice connected with loose morals and souls existing out side the state of grace and call themselves catholic.
Your pompous ignorant cruelty makes you a shame to Catholics.I see the writer is still going after lady Meg, he writes volumes against her, but not man enough to answer 2 simple questions:
What I just wrote is as clear as day, but I'll even spell it out for you: your saying you tolerate "responsible" recreational use of marijuana is bad advice for young people, it is akin to saying that you tolerate young single girls allowing themselves to be touched, hugged, fondled, French kissed, but you are against them fornicating.
Do you have children or grandchildren using marijuana "recreationally" M79?
How do you know that they are using it "appropriately" and that they are not prone to "substance abuse"?
MJ is a plant, an herb, a God-created thing. It's not inherently evil, as some of you are implying. There are *certain* reasons why it can be used and this is well within Catholic moral theology.So are Peyote, Hashish, Cocaine, and licking Cane toads. Notice I am only talking about recreational use of today's marijuana, which is not really a "God created thing", just like GMO corn and cocaine are not really a "God-created thing". One could say that there is nothing that at it's base is not God created, so the fact that it is God created means nothing. The devils were God created.
(Meg you are) Remarkably stupid .... I call you CRUEL. You are so damn high and mighty that you place your rabid prejudices about MJ before the needs of others. ... asinine ... you are the enemy of every practicing Catholic.... Your pompous ignorant cruelty makes you a shame to Catholics.I have just been asking M79 two simple questions over and over which he apparently is afraid of answering, instead he chooses to take out his frustrations by attacking Meg, a lady. Not very noble. It is obvious that he is just going for the easy batting practice pitches being thrown at him.
I have just been asking M79 two simple questions over and over which he apparently is afraid of answering, instead he chooses to take out his frustrations by attacking Meg, a lady. Not very noble. It is obvious that he is just going for the easy batting practice pitches being thrown at him.
I figured I was talking to a man with conviction that practices what he preaches. Or is he just all talk? Where the rubber meets the road how has what he preaches about recreational use of marijuana worked with his children? Or is he recommending other parents do something he does not practice on his own children?
Simple questions, from a concerned parent.
Stop already, Mark 79. Your "side" is using the "medical benefit" of pot to justify legalizing recreational pot use. …
I TOLERATE and do NOT PROMOTE the recreational use of alcohol and MJ.What does that mean where the rubber meets the road, in one's own children? And how did it play out in that real world? M79 has not answered. Where the rubber meets the road how has what he preaches about recreational use of marijuana worked with his children? Or is he recommending other parents do something he does not practice on his own children? Simple questions, from a concerned parent.
M79 saying that he tolerates "responsible" recreational use of marijuana is bad advice for young people, it is akin to saying that one tolerates young single girls allowing themselves to be touched, hugged, fondled, French kissed, but they are against them fornicating.
Do you have children or grandchildren using marijuana "recreationally" M79?
How do you know that they are using it "appropriately" and that they are not prone to "substance abuse"?
You people can attack Mark’s explanations of the issue all you want, if it makes you feel better. The fact is, the Church makes allowances for its use. End of story. It seems the underlying cause of your emotional angst is you cannot accept this reality. Very immature.
You people can attack Mark’s explanations of the issue all you want, if it makes you feel better. The fact is, the Church makes allowances for its use. End of story. It seems the underlying cause of your emotional angst is you cannot accept this reality. Very immature.Who is "you people"?, quote something someone said when you write a response or else no one knows who or what you are talking about.
Notice I am only talking about recreational use of today's marijuana, which is not really a "God created thing"1. How many times does Mark have to define “recreational”? You keep redefining the word then projecting sin because Mark uses a different definition. It’s silly and obsessive.
1. How many times does Mark have to define “recreational”? (Again, you provided no quote. He for instance has not provided any details of how his "toleration" plays out or THC levels that he "tolerates" or anything that would give a detailed definition of what his limits are.) You keep redefining the word then projecting sin because Mark uses a different definition. (Again, no quote where I "keep redefining the word then projecting sin".)
2. Not all MJ is created equal and not all is modified. Again, you project your own definition about the type of plant Mark is talking about and then chastising him. (once again, no quotes where I said such a thing) It’s apparent you have neither the ability nor the desire to have a fair, abstract debate based on facts (apparently only apparent to you because you have not provided one quote from me in your whole posting. Moreover the quote that you used has nothing to do with anything you wrote!).
What I just wrote is as clear as day, but I'll even spell it out for you: your saying you tolerate "responsible" recreational use of marijuana is bad advice for young people, it is akin to saying that you tolerate touching, fondling, French kissing, but you are against pre-marital sex.
Do you have children or grandchildren using marijuana "recreationally" M79?
How do you know that they are using it "appropriately" and that they are not prone to "substance abuse"?
I TOLERATE and do NOT PROMOTE the recreational use of alcohol and MJ.
Marks reply #210 spells out his views which are consistent with moral theology. Either 1) y’all don’t understand theological distinctions, 2) you are purposefully ignoring them or 3) you don’t have the reading comprehension to understand what Mark was saying.Below is Mark 79's #210 again, it spelled out absolutely nothing about what "recreational use" means to him, what "tolerates" entails, or what "normal people" are. He never spells out what that means in the real world, how he LIVES it in the real world in his children and family. If you think that quote says it all, then kindly explain to us how you apply it to your own children, answer my two questions. The subject is recreational use of marijuana TODAY. Not whether it is a sin or not so don't go bringing sin into the conversation. You like M79 seem to be like greased pigs, very difficult to get to give a straight answer, to a straight question, like LOT of BOD. Answer my two questions and quit beating around the bush like M79, I've only asked him like 12 times already in the last 30 hours. Spare me a repeat of it.
It’s all there. There’s nothing more to say.
Lying again, Rabbi.
I advocate ("promote") appropriate and judicious medical use of marijuana.
I do NOT advocate ("promote") recreational use of marijuana (or alcohol). I TOLERATE such recreational use in NORMAL people.
Repent your Pharisaism.
It’s all there. There’s nothing more to say.Oh-ho! But the proud will carry on anyway!
Marks reply #210 spells out his views which are consistent with moral theology. Either 1) y’all don’t understand theological distinctions, 2) you are purposefully ignoring them or 3) you don’t have the reading comprehension to understand what Mark was saying.
It’s all there. There’s nothing more to say.
Then, in a couple cases, I did admit that the activity was sinful, but that it was a "only" venial sin (based on theological sources). After which I was accused of claiming that venial sin is permissible or OK, and so I had to answer that charge as well. To which the retort was that "it doesn't matter," that sin is sin. Not sure then why the moral theologians spend most of their works explaining what is mortal and what is venial. Well, 1) it clarifies the principles inolved in the sin and is incredibly helpful toward that end, and 2) it's necessary to know for the purposes of Confession, and 3) it's simply the truth.....Perhaps you were writing that long dissertation on the sin and never read my posting?
Last Tradhican told Pax Vobis: The subject is recreational use of marijuana TODAY. Not whether it is a sin or not so don't go bringing sin into the conversation.
Oh-ho! But the proud will carry on anyway!-2.
I’m sorry you’re unable to apply abstract Church teachings to real life scenarios.It's the other way around my friend, it is you who makes real world everyday happenings into abstract questions because you do not see them in your world. There's a real world out there where our children will be confronted with drug use and the promiscuity which it brings with it, and your "moral theology explanations" will answer nothing to them and be like water off a duck to them, as they are to me. I lived that promiscuous life myself for 40+ years and since I came back to the Church, I see it all the time in the children of the SSPXers and the friends that they are permitted to keep. You and I have lived and still live in two different worlds.
I see it all the time in the children of the SSPXers and the friends that they are permitted to keep.and it is only a matter of at most two years from the start of the drug and alcohol use (partying) till they are not seen again at mass.
The "moral theology explanations" is what got us where we are today. ALL the Catholic school girls I knew from the 1960's are now on their 3rd or 4th husband or living by themselves and going out on "dates" some in the 70's.In the 1960's they had the Latin Mass on every corner and priest were well formed and your "moral theology explanations" did nothing for them. There was a real world out there but the priests were trained in the abstract and they and their followers all fell.
Mark, are any of your children teenagers or young adults, or soon to be?
Would you be fine with any one of them ‘recreationally’ smoking a joint during a family get-together, and in front of their younger siblings? What about your wife?
Like drinking a glass of wine or smoking a cigarette, are you as indifferent to MJ being enjoyed by your immediate family as alcohol or nicotine?
In your mind, are the methods for using MJ neutral? Edibles vs. smoking? Joint vs. pipe?
I am wondering myself how someone would go about finding a trusted source for purchasing MJ safely? Some of it has stronger THC levels than others, some is even laced with Fentanyl which is deadly in small amounts. I don’t know of alcohol or cigarettes having these issues, so these are important questions for people to ask.In states where dispensaries are legal, it is generally the case that every batch of MJ is tested for potency, contaminants, and pathogens and displayed at the point of sale. That is as good as it gets.
I think these are some good examples of ‘where the rubber meets the road’ that Tradican is asking about.
Just trying to understand better where you are coming from…
I disagree. I think (1) LT is ill-willed and wants ammo to insult me and my family and (2) he dpoesn;t know his ass from a hole in the ground.If I was ill willed I would not have said one thing, for what would I care what happens to you or anyone that follows your advice? You have now finally explained yourself clearly about recreational use of marijuana and the situation is as I thought it would be, judging from everything you had wriiten before you finally came out. You are very naive, you think that you "cracked the code" of "safe recreational" use of drugs. Recreational? Something to do for fun. That's speaks for itself.
There's a real world out there where our children will be confronted with drug use and the promiscuity which it brings with it, and your "moral theology explanations" will answer nothing to them and be like water off a duck to them, as they are to meYeah, drugs have been around for decades. Moral theologists have written about alcohol, drugs, etc for CENTURIES. If one understands the principles then you apply them to your daily life. It's not that hard.
Blah, blah, blah…
I live in the real world, not the textbook, where using pot has consequences.And in the real world, you *should* know that getting illegal MJ is not hard and not expensive. Keeping MJ illegal actually increases crime and creates a blackmarket where criminals are incentivized to grow dangerous strands (which cause medical harm and most addictions) in order to make more profit.
No, Mark 79, I do not support medical pot. …Well then—you are metaphorically spitting in the face of people who suffer greatly.
Mark 79, you are truly rotten. Let the vaccination start with you. No justification for your response to LT-except that you don't like the response.:facepalm: Cursing people eh? Not real Catholic of you.
In your case, I support mandatory vaccination.
And in the real world, you *should* know that getting illegal MJ is not hard and not expensive. Keeping MJ illegal actually increases crime and creates a blackmarket where criminals are incentivized to grow dangerous strands (which cause medical harm and most addictions) in order to make more profit.Nailed it.
If MJ is legal, (and i'm not talking about govt run shops but straight legal to grow a plant on your back porch) then the dangers of MJ will crumble like a house of cards. You won't have drug dealers running around with gang wars (same as what happened in the 20s with Al Capone and bootleggers). Just like when alcohol was made legal again, crime plummeted because the crime aspect is cut out of the equation. And if some hippy dude wants to grow some plants in his back yard, guess what? He's going to grow safe, natural stuff (not the synthetic stuff out on the streets) because he doesn't want to die, he just wants to relax and have fun.
In your case (Last Tradhican), I support mandatory vaccination.
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And in the real world, you *should* know that getting illegal MJ is not hard and not expensive. Keeping MJ illegal actually increases crime and creates a blackmarket where criminals are incentivized to grow dangerous strands (which cause medical harm and most addictions) in order to make more profit.That is what they said about abortion and now they have killed just in the USA over 60 million since they made it legal.
What is the purpose of smoking marijuana, confusing the mind?For one, it can help settle the mind of those with anxiety disorders (and I mean neurological, not those who experience the "feeling" once in a while) who live in a constant state of "confusion" already.
Nailed it.And you don't have to go that far to see the effects of the cartels as an Arizonan. Just cross the border into Sonora or most of Northern Mexico. Highest homicide rate in the world.
You are right to oppose the government controlled shops. When I was an active advocate of MMJ too many people tried to seduce legislators with, "Well you can tax it." Sure enough, the greedy political whores have taxed MJ so highly that the cartel's black market is still running full speed ahead because the criminals' MJ is cheaper than .gov/.zog MJ. There has also been extensive corruption in the award of dispensary licenses to the non-Latino (((cartel))).
In that vein, Humboldt County, part of California's Emerald Triangle, is a salient example. when MJ was illegal in California, the county embraced the illegal growers because they brought LOTS of spending into the county economy. Once California legalized recreational MJ the county's prosti-ticians got greedy. They enacted licensing fees, minimum $250,000 per year. The growers showed them their middle finger, refused licensing, armed up, and violence is at an all time high [pun intended].
Tradrabid admitted his licentious life. Now he is projecting his past on others. In that regard, he is like a reformed alcoholic who insists that non-alcoholics be tee-totallers. He'd rather see people suffer than admit that not everyone has his past problem. Too, he deludes himself that he sees reality though he is blind to the deadly failures of alcohol, drug, and gun prohibition. The guy couldn't do a risk/benfit analysis even if you donated a programmer and a super-computer.
That is what they said about abortion and now they have killed just in the USA over 60 million since they made it legal.Morally speaking, abortion cannot be compared to MJ. Abortion is always wrong, MJ is not. Apples-oranges.
MJ laws don't stop anyone from getting it, just like guns laws don't stop criminals. MJ isn't inherently evil, just like guns aren't.There's the irony. Owning something that's only purpose is to kill is completely moral, or, at worst amoral. But using a substance that is less harmful than tobacco is inherently immoral. :clown:
Open your eyes, think Catholic. "Those who do not heed the lessons of history, are doomed to repeat it."
What is the purpose of smoking marijuana, confusing the mind?Your problem is you see sin under every stone. You always assume the worst case.
Your problem is you see sin under every stone. You always assume the worst case.It's kind of bleeding into manichean territory where some things in God's creation can be inherently evil...
In your case, I support mandatory vaccination.Come on, Mark, lighten up. This is uncalled for. You're having a disagreement on the internet with a fellow catholic, LastTrad, who is a good guy. If you can't have a passionate debate without giving into sins of hatred/anger, then you should stop posting.
Come on, Mark, lighten up. This is uncalled for. You're having a disagreement on the internet with a fellow catholic, LastTrad, who is a good guy. If you can't have a passionate debate without giving into sins of hatred/anger, then you should stop posting.I thought it was an apt and funny jibe. Since he repeatedly tried to bring my children into his rabid rage, I think he remains a fair target and not at all "a good guy."
I thought it was an apt and funny jibe. Since he repeatedly tried to bring my children into his rabid rage, I think he remains a fair target and not at all "a good guy."
As for Meg, it is she who first publicly provided the information about her husband. I noticed her family life proclamation and her shrew personality, so merely note that 2+2=4.
Our Lord called Pharisees "swine" and worse. I think I am in good company to insult the Pharisees who tout their alleged Catholicity with beams in their eyes
No is allowed to disagree with you. You are a bully. And, I suspect, a liberal.Meg, don't play that card. You play the same one in sede threads when your arguments fail to hold water.
No is allowed to disagree with you. You are a bully. And, I suspect, a liberal.You are welcome to disagree with me and anyone else. That does not insulate you from due criticism.
That is what they said about abortion and now they have killed just in the USA over 60 million since they made it legal.
They create the problem, created a drug mafia which they control and give the appearance of fighting, so they can implant their solution, have everybody high and happy so they can be controlled.
Open your eyes, think Catholic. "Those who do not heed the lessons of history, are doomed to repeat it."
Meg, don't play that card. You play the same one in sede threads when your arguments fail to hold water.
Mark has provided a solid argument for his position which has been met with scorn and strawmen. He hasn't advocated for degenerate usage, and attacks (from both sides) on one's state in life and character are uncharitable and anti-Christ.
No, Mark 79, I do not support medical pot. I do not support recreational pot. If church teaching states that using pot in itself isn't sinful, that does not mean I have to support legalizing pot. I live in the real world, not the textbook, where using pot has consequences. Immorality, loose morals and social problems accompany pot use. Your own job prohibits it. The military, civil service jobs prohibit pot use. I don't need studies to confirm experience. LT is on the money. At best, you are naive about the harm pot use does to society one soul at a time.
Mark 79, you are truly rotten. Let the vaccination start with you. No justification for your response to LT-except that you don't like the response.
In your case, I support mandatory vaccination.
I agree. Sad that your post got five downvotes, but I suspect that it's from Mark 79's fellow sedes. They don't want their boy to be 'dissed.
Right. MJ is actually a sede issue.
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Mark has provided a solid argument for his position which has been met with scorn and strawmen. He hasn't advocated for degenerate usage, and attacks (from both sides) on one's state in life and character are uncharitable and anti-Christ.Mark 79 has been met with "scorn and attacks", Mark79 who wrote:
In your case (Last Tradhican), I support mandatory vaccination.With a rabies infested dog to depict LT and saying he supports government killing of LT because he is a rabies infested dog. Yeah, the writer DigitalLogos is going to follow his "expert advice".
LT wrote: "What is the purpose of smoking marijuana, confusing the mind?"Sorry about that everybody, I meant to write: What is the purpose of smoking marijuana for recreation, confusing the mind? For I have not said one word about medicinal usage one way or the other.
For one, it can help settle the mind of those with anxiety disorders (and I mean neurological, not those who experience the "feeling" once in a while) who live in a constant state of "confusion" already.
Mark 79 has been met with "scorn and attacks", Mark79 who wrote:Poor baby. Your idiotic inference and failure to appreciate the apt humor is not me "supporting government killing," but I'll give it some thought—mandatory rabies vaccines for frothing Pharisees and obsessive sede bashers?… hmmm… maybe you are on to something.
With a rabies infested dog to depict LT and saying he supports government killing of LT because he is a rabies infested dog. Yeah, the writer DigitalLogos is going to follow his "expert advice".
Those that have eyes to see, let them see.
It's sad that Meg's paranoia about sedevacantism is so debilitating that one might say it causes in her some cognitive impairment. Meg gets triggered by the mere mention of "sede".Big let down there, you should know better than to you jump in with a gang of cowards who gain their courage from the group to attack Meg. I jumped into this thread precisely because of that ganging up on Meg.
Big let down there, you should know better than to you jump in with a gang of cowards who gain their courage from the group to attack Meg. I jumped into this thread precisely because of that ganging up on Meg.
Unclear why you'd use NBC News as your serious evidence.Just a reminder.
I found the relevant article. No surprise that NBC News sensationalizes a rather weak article.
I'll do a deeper review, but my preliminary read finds that the "meta-analysis" makes a great show talking about THC as a CB1 agonist, but both pure THC and whole plant MJ stimulate all the endocannabinoid receptors (though in greatly varying degrees), some of which counterbalance CB1 effects. Then throughout the paper the authors mention "CB1 agonist," but do not make clear whether they used a pharmaceutical or the plant or both. I have already mentioned that MJ patients consistently report inferior benefit from pharmaceutical monotherapies.
The study also confesses the "heterogeneity" of the subjects involved, so admit that the subjects and their dosages were so diverse that numerous confounding factors (race, age of use, concurrent alcohol or other substances, etc.) undercut their admittedly "low" Confidence Intervals.
It's interesting, but weak. I'll do a deeper review.
Big let down there, you should know better than to you jump in with a gang of cowards who gain their courage from the group to attack Meg. I jumped into this thread because of that ganging up on Meg.
1) I don't jump in and takes sides of an issue to act like a "White Knight" when someone is being ganged up on. I call each issue as I see it, regardless of the person making the point. In fact, I look at each issue in isolation and don't try to turn even something like this topic in to an SV vs. R&R debate. I've agreed and disagreed with both sedevacantists and R&R, depending on the issue.
2) It was Meg who decided to turn this into another smear against SVs.
3) I've called her out before for her irrational contempt toward and paranoia about sedevacantism. EVERY SINGLE TIME she disagrees with someone on any issue who happens to also be a sedevacantist, she attributes the disagreement to sedevacantism.
4) My post was a combination of #3 above here and also a joke in that she made a post about cognitive impairment from marijuana.
No need for you to "jump in" and play "White Knight" to rescue the damsel in distress.
Poor baby. Your idiotic inference and failure to appreciate the apt humor is not me "supporting government killing," but I'll give it some thought—mandatory rabies vaccines for frothing Pharisees and obsessive sede bashers?… hmmm… maybe you are on to something.:jester:The more people like M79 write, the more others will know what they are dealing with. Very few people will say anything that disagrees with M79's because they are afraid to fall into the same wrath and ridicule that Meg has stepped into. It is best to just leave them alone. Anyone that listens to him after seeing this thread will learn from their mistake sooner or later.
I'll see your "eyes that see" and raise you three "blind guides" (Meg, Tradrabies, GTD).
Unclear why you'd use NBC News as your serious evidence.I should also mention that:
I found the relevant article. No surprise that NBC News sensationalizes a rather weak article.
I'll do a deeper review, but my preliminary read finds that the "meta-analysis" makes a great show talking about THC as a CB1 agonist, but both pure THC and whole plant MJ stimulate all the endocannabinoid receptors (though in greatly varying degrees), some of which counterbalance CB1 effects. Then throughout the paper the authors mention "CB1 agonist," but do not make clear whether they used a pharmaceutical or the plant or both. I have already mentioned that MJ patients consistently report inferior benefit from pharmaceutical monotherapies.
The study also confesses the "heterogeneity" of the subjects involved, so admit that the subjects and their dosages were so diverse that numerous confounding factors (race, age of use, concurrent alcohol or other substances, etc.) undercut their admittedly "low" Confidence Intervals.
It's interesting, but weak. I'll do a deeper review.
Thank you, LT. You are indeed a gentleman.You are welcome, but know that I would do the same for a man and even for an enemy. Only cowards gang up on others, they get their courage from the group. A real man does not need a gang to fight others.
…Poor Mark79 is being criticized. We can't have that.I have not objected to being criticized.
No need for you to "jump in" and play "White Knight" to rescue the damsel in distress.B.S. - you should have kept quiet.
Unclear why you'd use NBC News as your serious evidence.
I found the relevant article. No surprise that NBC News sensationalizes a rather weak article.
I'll do a deeper review, but my preliminary read finds that the "meta-analysis" makes a great show talking about THC as a CB1 agonist, but both pure THC and whole plant MJ stimulate all the endocannabinoid receptors (though in greatly varying degrees), some of which counterbalance CB1 effects. Then throughout the paper the authors mention "CB1 agonist," but do not make clear whether they used a pharmaceutical or the plant or both. I have already mentioned that MJ patients consistently report inferior benefit from pharmaceutical monotherapies.
The study also confesses the "heterogeneity" of the subjects involved, so admit that the subjects and their dosages were so diverse that numerous confounding factors (race, age of use, concurrent alcohol or other substances, etc.) undercut their admittedly "low" Confidence Intervals.
It's interesting, but weak. I'll do a deeper review.
I should also mention that:
• people die from aspirin, but that doesn't stop us from using it medically
• the meta-analysis confined itself to chronic use
So,
• even if (BIG "if") the article is on target, "low" risk with chronic use may be overcome by huge benefit
• even if (BIG "if") chronic use has low risk, acute ("recreational") use may even be risk-free.
I'll add this—MJ is more studied than any drug in the pharmacy and still questions remain, so we have a choice:
make practices in accord with the preponderance of the best available evidence
OR
as the rabies faction here, completely ignore the evidence.
It's kind of bleeding into manichean territory where some things in God's creation can be inherently evil...
It's not inherently evil, any more than arsensic or digitalis are inherently evil. Both are natural substances, and poisonous. But they can be used for good, in the right situation. But who can doubt that arsenic, a natural substance, has been used for ill-purposes? Just because something is natural, it doesn't mean it's always good.That comparison is just straight up stupid. Pot is not at all comparable to arsenic, not even in the same class. Stop being ridiculous.
Pot can cause serious side-effects, which will be downplayed or denied by pothead activists. Oh well.
What is the purpose of smoking marijuana for recreation, confusing the mind?1. Define recreation.
Your problem is you see sin under every stone. You always assume the worst case.I see an occasion of sin, a big difference my friend. Like I said, we are from two different worlds, different places, having lived totally different lives.
1. Define recreation.You answered a question with questions. I asked first. Think about it more and take a real response to the new thread that I started on the same question/subject.
2. Define the type of MJ you're talking about.
What's the purpose of ice cream, getting fat?
What's the purpose of a living room couch, slothfulness?
What's the purpose of a birthday cake, prideful celebrations?
What's the purpose of a dishwashing machine, laziness?
What's the purpose of a nice wristwatch, vanity?
Etc
Etc
Etc
LT, if you stick to one topic, we might get somewhere.You said about me : "Your problem is you see sin under every stone, you always assume the worst case." Also your defense of recreational usage of MJ to me has all been about whether it is a sin or not. So I am just responding to the topic that you brought up and I even responded with examples. It is you that made the subject and I responded. Recreational marijuana usage is even in one of my examples. It is all related:
All of these examples are dangerous occasions of sin or physical harm. Whether something is a sin or not isn't the sole determinant of whether it is wise to do. Nature never forgives, we have a fallen nature.
A dangerous/proximate occasion to sin = a sin. Smoking MJ could be a proximate occasion to sin, or not, just like alcohol. Depends on the person/circuмstance.Your idea of idea of "it depends, which is the basis for moral theology", is good for nothing in all of those real world examples I gave you, sooner or later all of those people will fall if they keep tempting nature. To be blunt, the daughters of all the parents who tempt fate with those occasions I posted, will sooner or later be seduced. Specially if MJ and alcohol is involved. That's my personal experience.
Your problem is you can't accept the idea of "it depends", which is the basis for moral theology. You're looking for a 'yes or no'. That's not reality.
Mark 79, you are truly rotten. Let the vaccination start with you. No justification for your response to LT-except that you don't like the response.
In your case, I support mandatory vaccination.
I see an occasion of sin.…
Your illogic demands that we return to doctors examining and treating only fully clothed patients, never undressing them even for surgery. After all, seeing even an ankle definitely leads to fornication. Even clothed patients are problematic because a pretty face can be attractive, so let's demand that doctors only examine and treat from afar only patients veiled and in hijabs.Illogic alert!
:facepalm:
(https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/11416/production/_93887607_72e7131e-5504-42d2-9d54-f5e87d717646.jpg)
Uh oh! Never mind. Those eyes are looking pretty sexy.
Best that nobody sees anyone ever.
You see, there is a place for absolutism, but you have misplaced your hysterical rabid absolutism.
Important reviewsData alert!
University of California Center for Medical Cannabis Research—2010 Report to the Legislature
http://www.cmcr.ucsd.edu/images/pdfs/CMCR_REPORT_FEB17.pdf
Review on clinical studies with cannabis and cannabinoids 2005-2009. Hazecamp A and Grotenhermen F. Cannabinoids 2010;5(special issue):1-21.
www.cannabis-med.org/data/pdf/en_2010_01_special.pdf
Cannabinoids in medicine: A review of their therapeutic potential. Amar MB. Journal of Ethnopharmacology 105 (2006) 1–25.
http://www.ucla.edu.ve/dmedicin/departamentos/fisiologia/cannabinoidsRevPatologias.pdf
Emerging Clinical Applications for Cannabis and Cannabinoids: A Review of the Recent Scientific Literature, 2000 – 2010. Armentano P. NORML Foundation, Washington DC 2010.
http://norml.org/pdf_files/NORML_Clinical_Applications_for_Cannabis_and_Cannabinoids.pdf
Marijuana and Medicine: Assessing the Science Base. National Academy of Science Institute of Medicine, 1999
http://www.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=6376
popularized in: Marijuana As Medicine? – The Science Behind the Controversy. Mack A and Joy J. National Academy of Science. National Academy Press, Washington DC 2000.
http://books.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=9586&page=R1
AIDS/HIV
University of California Center for Medical Cannabis Research—2010 Report to the Legislature
http://www.cmcr.ucsd.edu/images/pdfs/CMCR_REPORT_FEB17.pdf
Human Immunodeficiency Virus (HIV)
http://www.norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=7485
“Marijuana and AIDS” in Marijuana As Medicine? – The Science Behind the Controversy. Mack A and Joy J. National Academy of Science. National Academy Press, Washington DC 2000.
http://books.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=9586&page=86
ALS (Amyotrophic Lateral Sclerosis, Lou Gehrig's Disease)
Amyotrophic Lateral Sclerosis (ALS)
http://www.norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=7004
Alzheimer's Disease
Alzheimer's Disease
http://norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=7003
Cachexia. Wasting syndrome
See sections 3.1 and 3.2 of Cannabinoids in medicine: A review of their therapeutic potential. Amar MB. Journal of Ethnopharmacology 105 (2006) 1–25.
http://www.ucla.edu.ve/dmedicin/departamentos/fisiologia/cannabinoidsRevPatologias.pdf
Cancer
Gliomas/Cancer
http://www.norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=7008
“Marijuana and Cancer” in Marijuana As Medicine? – The Science Behind the Controversy. Mack A and Joy J. National Academy of Science. National Academy Press, Washington DC 2000.
http://books.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=9586&page=95
Cannabis and Cannabinoids (PDQ®). National Cancer Institute. 2011.
http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/pdq/cam/cannabis/healthprofessional/page1
Cardiovascular disease
The Potential for Clinical Use of Cannabinoids in Treatment
of Cardiovascular Diseases. Durst R and Lotan C. Cardiovascular Therapeutics 2011 Feb;29(1):17-22. doi: 10.1111/j.1755-5922.2010.00233.x. Epub 2010 Oct 14.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20946323
The emerging role of the endocannabinoid system in cardiovascular disease. Pacher P, Steffens S. Semin Immunopathol. 2009 Jun;31(1):63-77. Epub 2009 Apr 9.
http://www.springerlink.com/content/a04103g160h16450/fulltext.pdf
Cannabinoid receptors in atherosclerosis. Steffens S, Mach F. Curr Opin Lipidol. 2006 Oct;17(5):519-26.
http://journals.lww.com/co-lipidology/Abstract/2006/10000/Cannabinoid_receptors_in_atherosclerosis.5.aspx
Cannabinoid receptors in acute and chronic complications of atherosclerosis. Mach F, Montecucco F, Steffens S. Br J Pharmacol. 2008 January; 153(2): 290–298.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2219535/pdf/0707517a.pdf
Endocannabinoids and cannabinoid receptors in ischaemia-reperfusion injury and preconditioning. Pacher P, Haskó G. Br J Pharmacol. 2008 Jan;153(2):252-62. Epub 2007 Nov 19.
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1038/sj.bjp.0707582/pdf
The role of the endocannabinoid system in atherosclerosis. Mach F, Steffens S. J Neuroendocrinol. 2008 May;20 Suppl 1:53-7.
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1365-2826.2008.01685.x/pdf
Cardiovascular Effects of Cannabis | Medicinal Cannabis Information. Independent Drug Monitoring Unit, United Kingdom, undated
http://www.idmu.co.uk/canncardio.htm
Crohns Disease
Gastrointestinal Disorders
http://www.norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=7009
Endocannabinoid sysytem
The Endocannabinoid System as an Emerging Target of Pharmacotherapy. National Institute of Health: Pacher P, Bátkai S, Kunos G. Pharmacol Rev. 2006 Sep;58(3):389-462.
http://pharmrev.aspetjournals.org/content/58/3/389.full.pdf
Endocrine disease, diabetes
The emerging role of the endocannabinoid system in endocrine regulation and energy balance. Pagotto U, Marsicano G, Cota D, Lutz B, Pasquali R. Endocr Rev. 2006 Feb;27(1):73-100. Epub 2005 Nov 23.
http://fk.uwks.ac.id/elib/Arsip/Departemen/Biokimia/The%20Emerging%20Role%20of%20the%20Endocannabinoid%20System.pdf
Fibromyalgia
Nabilone for the Treatment of Pain in Fibromyalgia. Skrabek RQ, Galimova L, Ethans K, Perry D. J Pain. 2008 Feb;9(2):164-73. Epub 2007 Nov 5.
http://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:9gDyCVhqJSMJ:files.meetup.com/404848/2008_Nabilone-for-the-Treatment-of-Pain-in-Fibromyalgia.pdf+Nabilone+for+the+Treatment+of+Pain+in+Fibromyalgia&hl=en&gl=us&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEESjFGavzxEJkBjsOj_YyWPHuo5PRG034PLna8X6n3sXGT696PVuaEH15HF07xVpfV10wLPfon8-nZoD0RcJfU6LInnuqHOGpKDECN4oQ6OWBgGgwXWckH2QB31FTn1BZn0KX9U7A&sig=AHIEtbQlDN8uMzxJIm6KKL0POTJdhmbsvg
Delta-9-THC based monotherapy in fibromyalgia patients on experimentally induced pain, axon reflex flare, and pain relief. Schley M, Legler A, Skopp G, Schmelz M, Konrad C, Rukwied R. Curr Med Res Opin. 2006 Jul;22(7):1269-76.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16834825
Fibromyalgia
http://norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=7007
Glaucoma
American Glaucoma Society position statement: Marijuana and the treatment of glaucoma. American Glaucoma Society, Prepared by Henry Jampel, M.D., M.H.S., August 10, 2009
http://www.americanglaucomasociety.net/associations/5224/files/Marijuana%20and%20Glaucoma%20august%2030_BOD%20Approved%2010.23.09.pdf
Marijuana and Glaucoma” in Marijuana As Medicine? – The Science Behind the Controversy. Mack A and Joy J. National Academy of Science. National Academy Press, Washington DC 2000.
http://books.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=9586&page=124
Hepatitis C
Hepatitis C
http://www.norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=7010
Marijuana effects, drug levels, DUI
Marijuana effect and delta9-tetrahydrocannabinol plasma level. Chiang CWN and Barnett G. Clinical Pharmacology and Therapeutics 1984 Aug;36(2):234-8.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/6086207
Contact highs and urinary cannabinoids excretion after passive exposure to marijuana smoke. Cone EJ and Johnson RE. Clinical Pharmacology and Therapeutics 1986 Sep;40(3):247-56.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3017628
Do delta9-tetrahydrocannabinol concentrations indicate recent use in chronic cannabis users? Karschner EL, Schwilke EW, Lowe RH, Darwin WD, Pope HG, Herning R, Cadet JL, Huestis MA. Addiction. 2009 Dec;104(12):2041-8. Epub 2009 Oct 5.
http://www.clinchem.org/cgi/reprint/49/7/1114
Developing limits for driving under cannabis. Grotenhermen F, Leson G, Berghaus G, Drummer OH, Krüger HP, Longo M, Moskowitz H, Perrine B, Ramaekers JG, Smiley A, Tunbridge R. Addiction 2007 Dec;102(12):1910-7. Epub 2007 Oct 4.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17916224
Urinary cannabinoid detection times after controlled oral administration of delta9-tetrahydrocannabinol to humans. Gustafson RA, Levine B, Stout PR, Klette KL, George MP, Moolchan ET, Huestis MA. Clin Chem. 2003 Jul;49(7):1114-24.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12816908
Editorial: Practical Challenges to Positive Drug Tests for Marijuana. ElSohly MA. Clin Chem. 2003 Jul;49(7):1037-8.
http://www.clinchem.org/cgi/reprint/49/7/1037
Dose related risk of motor vehicle crashes after cannabis use. Ramaekers JG, Berghaus G, van Laar M, Drummer OH. Drug Alcohol Depend. 2004 Feb 7;73(2):109-19.
http://www.ukcia.org/research/DoseRelatedRiskOfCrashes.pdf
Tolerance and cross-tolerance to neurocognitive effects of THC and alcohol in heavy cannabis users. Ramaekers JG, Theunissen EL, de Brouwer M, Toennes SW, Moeller MR, Kauert G. Psychopharmacology (Berl). 2011 Mar;214(2):391-401. Epub 2010 Oct 30.
http://www.cannabistherapyinstitute.com/bills/dui/raemakers.etal.pdf
Cannabis and Driving: A Scientific and Rational Review. Armentano P. NORML Foundation, Washington DC 2010
http://norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=7459
Sex differences in the effects of marijuana on simulated driving performance. Anderson BM, Rizzo M, Block RI, Pearlson GD, O'Leary DS. J Psychoactive Drugs. 2010 Mar;42(1):19-30.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3033009/
Effects of THC on driving performance, physiological state and subjective feelings relative to alcohol. Ronen A, Gershon P, Drobiner H, Rabinovich A, Bar-Hamburger R, Mechoulam R, Cassuto Y, Shinar D. Accid Anal Prev. 2008 May;40(3):926-34. Epub 2007 Nov 26.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18460360
Muscle Spasms
Dystonia
http://www.norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=7006
“Marijuana and Muscle Spasticity” in Marijuana As Medicine? – The Science Behind the Controversy. Mack A and Joy J. National Academy of Science. National Academy Press, Washington DC 2000.
http://books.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=9586&page=106
Nausea
See sections 3.1 of Cannabinoids in medicine: A review of their therapeutic potential. Amar MB. Journal of Ethnopharmacology 105 (2006) 1–25.
http://www.ucla.edu.ve/dmedicin/departamentos/fisiologia/cannabinoidsRevPatologias.pdf
Pain
University of California Center for Medical Cannabis Research—2010 Report to the Legislature
http://www.cmcr.ucsd.edu/images/pdfs/CMCR_REPORT_FEB17.pdf
Chronic Pain
http://www.norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=7786
“Marijuana and Pain” in Marijuana As Medicine? – The Science Behind the Controversy. Mack A and Joy J. National Academy of Science. National Academy Press, Washington DC 2000.
http://books.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=9586&page=77#
Post traumatic Stress Disorder
Cannabinoid receptor activation in the basolateral amygdala blocks the effects of stress on the conditioning and extinction of inhibitory avoidance. Ganon-Elazar E, Akirav I. J Neurosci. 2009 Sep 9;29(36):11078-88.
http://www.jneurosci.org/content/29/36/11078.full.pdf+html
[Extinction of emotional response as a novel approach of pharmacotherapy of anxiety disorders]. Lehner M, Wisłowska-Stanek A, Płaznik A. Psychiatr Pol. 2009 Nov-Dec;43(6):639-53.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20209877
The Use of a Synthetic Cannabinoid in the Management of Treatment‐Resistant Nightmares in Posttraumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD). Fraser GA. CNS Neurosci Ther. 2009 Winter;15(1):84-8.
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1755-5949.2008.00071.x/pdf
Public policy
Harm reduction-the cannabis paradox. Melamede R. Harm Reduct J. 2005 Sep 22;2:17.
http://www.harmreductionjournal.com/content/pdf/1477-7517-2-17.pdf
Seizures
See sections 3.7 of Cannabinoids in medicine: A review of their therapeutic potential. Amar MB. Journal of Ethnopharmacology 105 (2006) 1–25.
http://www.ucla.edu.ve/dmedicin/departamentos/fisiologia/cannabinoidsRevPatologias.pdf
“Marijuana and Neurological Disorders” in Marijuana As Medicine? – The Science Behind the Controversy. Mack A and Joy J. National Academy of Science. National Academy Press, Washington DC 2000.
http://books.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=9586&page=115
It's sad that Meg's paranoia about sedevacantism is so debilitating that one might say it causes in her some cognitive impairment. Meg gets triggered by the mere mention of "sede".I never met a sedevacantist "pothead" though I've met a few ("pot heads") in my lifetime.
So, when DL thought I was out of line and chastised me even to the point of using the word "asshole," that doesn't count because your rules (as the new owner of CathInfo) require that fraternal corrections be "on the same page"?New owner? Did I miss something.?
:jester:
New owner? Did I miss something.?
Did Matthew sell?
He's implying that the poster has put himself in charge of CathInfo (i.e. assumed ownership or control).To put a fine point on it, I was insulting him for his presumptuous diktats.
- …maybe you can find a peer reviewed study…
…No. I cannot point to "a" single study, but to dozens, even hundreds of studies. Glad you asked. :jester:
Start here, my bibliography for a series of 8 articles I wrote about medical marijuana in 2010-2011 when it was an issue in our state:
Important reviews
University of California Center for Medical Cannabis Research—2010 Report to the Legislature
http://www.cmcr.ucsd.edu/images/pdfs/CMCR_REPORT_FEB17.pdf
Review on clinical studies with cannabis and cannabinoids 2005-2009. Hazecamp A and Grotenhermen F. Cannabinoids 2010;5(special issue):1-21.
www.cannabis-med.org/data/pdf/en_2010_01_special.pdf
Cannabinoids in medicine: A review of their therapeutic potential. Amar MB. Journal of Ethnopharmacology 105 (2006) 1–25.
http://www.ucla.edu.ve/dmedicin/departamentos/fisiologia/cannabinoidsRevPatologias.pdf
Emerging Clinical Applications for Cannabis and Cannabinoids: A Review of the Recent Scientific Literature, 2000 – 2010. Armentano P. NORML Foundation, Washington DC 2010.
http://norml.org/pdf_files/NORML_Clinical_Applications_for_Cannabis_and_Cannabinoids.pdf
Marijuana and Medicine: Assessing the Science Base. National Academy of Science Institute of Medicine, 1999
http://www.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=6376
popularized in: Marijuana As Medicine? – The Science Behind the Controversy. Mack A and Joy J. National Academy of Science. National Academy Press, Washington DC 2000.
http://books.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=9586&page=R1
AIDS/HIV
University of California Center for Medical Cannabis Research—2010 Report to the Legislature
http://www.cmcr.ucsd.edu/images/pdfs/CMCR_REPORT_FEB17.pdf
Human Immunodeficiency Virus (HIV)
http://www.norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=7485
“Marijuana and AIDS” in Marijuana As Medicine? – The Science Behind the Controversy. Mack A and Joy J. National Academy of Science. National Academy Press, Washington DC 2000.
http://books.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=9586&page=86
ALS (Amyotrophic Lateral Sclerosis, Lou Gehrig's Disease)
Amyotrophic Lateral Sclerosis (ALS)
http://www.norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=7004
Alzheimer's Disease
Alzheimer's Disease
http://norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=7003
Cachexia. Wasting syndrome
See sections 3.1 and 3.2 of Cannabinoids in medicine: A review of their therapeutic potential. Amar MB. Journal of Ethnopharmacology 105 (2006) 1–25.
http://www.ucla.edu.ve/dmedicin/departamentos/fisiologia/cannabinoidsRevPatologias.pdf
Cancer
Gliomas/Cancer
http://www.norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=7008
“Marijuana and Cancer” in Marijuana As Medicine? – The Science Behind the Controversy. Mack A and Joy J. National Academy of Science. National Academy Press, Washington DC 2000.
http://books.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=9586&page=95
Cannabis and Cannabinoids (PDQ®). National Cancer Institute. 2011.
http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/pdq/cam/cannabis/healthprofessional/page1
Cardiovascular disease
The Potential for Clinical Use of Cannabinoids in Treatment
of Cardiovascular Diseases. Durst R and Lotan C. Cardiovascular Therapeutics 2011 Feb;29(1):17-22. doi: 10.1111/j.1755-5922.2010.00233.x. Epub 2010 Oct 14.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20946323
The emerging role of the endocannabinoid system in cardiovascular disease. Pacher P, Steffens S. Semin Immunopathol. 2009 Jun;31(1):63-77. Epub 2009 Apr 9.
http://www.springerlink.com/content/a04103g160h16450/fulltext.pdf
Cannabinoid receptors in atherosclerosis. Steffens S, Mach F. Curr Opin Lipidol. 2006 Oct;17(5):519-26.
http://journals.lww.com/co-lipidology/Abstract/2006/10000/Cannabinoid_receptors_in_atherosclerosis.5.aspx
Cannabinoid receptors in acute and chronic complications of atherosclerosis. Mach F, Montecucco F, Steffens S. Br J Pharmacol. 2008 January; 153(2): 290–298.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2219535/pdf/0707517a.pdf
Endocannabinoids and cannabinoid receptors in ischaemia-reperfusion injury and preconditioning. Pacher P, Haskó G. Br J Pharmacol. 2008 Jan;153(2):252-62. Epub 2007 Nov 19.
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1038/sj.bjp.0707582/pdf
The role of the endocannabinoid system in atherosclerosis. Mach F, Steffens S. J Neuroendocrinol. 2008 May;20 Suppl 1:53-7.
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1365-2826.2008.01685.x/pdf
Cardiovascular Effects of Cannabis | Medicinal Cannabis Information. Independent Drug Monitoring Unit, United Kingdom, undated
http://www.idmu.co.uk/canncardio.htm
Crohns Disease
Gastrointestinal Disorders
http://www.norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=7009
Endocannabinoid sysytem
The Endocannabinoid System as an Emerging Target of Pharmacotherapy. National Institute of Health: Pacher P, Bátkai S, Kunos G. Pharmacol Rev. 2006 Sep;58(3):389-462.
http://pharmrev.aspetjournals.org/content/58/3/389.full.pdf
Endocrine disease, diabetes
The emerging role of the endocannabinoid system in endocrine regulation and energy balance. Pagotto U, Marsicano G, Cota D, Lutz B, Pasquali R. Endocr Rev. 2006 Feb;27(1):73-100. Epub 2005 Nov 23.
http://fk.uwks.ac.id/elib/Arsip/Departemen/Biokimia/The%20Emerging%20Role%20of%20the%20Endocannabinoid%20System.pdf
Fibromyalgia
Nabilone for the Treatment of Pain in Fibromyalgia. Skrabek RQ, Galimova L, Ethans K, Perry D. J Pain. 2008 Feb;9(2):164-73. Epub 2007 Nov 5.
http://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:9gDyCVhqJSMJ:files.meetup.com/404848/2008_Nabilone-for-the-Treatment-of-Pain-in-Fibromyalgia.pdf+Nabilone+for+the+Treatment+of+Pain+in+Fibromyalgia&hl=en&gl=us&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEESjFGavzxEJkBjsOj_YyWPHuo5PRG034PLna8X6n3sXGT696PVuaEH15HF07xVpfV10wLPfon8-nZoD0RcJfU6LInnuqHOGpKDECN4oQ6OWBgGgwXWckH2QB31FTn1BZn0KX9U7A&sig=AHIEtbQlDN8uMzxJIm6KKL0POTJdhmbsvg
Delta-9-THC based monotherapy in fibromyalgia patients on experimentally induced pain, axon reflex flare, and pain relief. Schley M, Legler A, Skopp G, Schmelz M, Konrad C, Rukwied R. Curr Med Res Opin. 2006 Jul;22(7):1269-76.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16834825
Fibromyalgia
http://norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=7007
Glaucoma
American Glaucoma Society position statement: Marijuana and the treatment of glaucoma. American Glaucoma Society, Prepared by Henry Jampel, M.D., M.H.S., August 10, 2009
http://www.americanglaucomasociety.net/associations/5224/files/Marijuana%20and%20Glaucoma%20august%2030_BOD%20Approved%2010.23.09.pdf
Marijuana and Glaucoma” in Marijuana As Medicine? – The Science Behind the Controversy. Mack A and Joy J. National Academy of Science. National Academy Press, Washington DC 2000.
http://books.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=9586&page=124
Hepatitis C
Hepatitis C
http://www.norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=7010
Marijuana effects, drug levels, DUI
Marijuana effect and delta9-tetrahydrocannabinol plasma level. Chiang CWN and Barnett G. Clinical Pharmacology and Therapeutics 1984 Aug;36(2):234-8.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/6086207
Contact highs and urinary cannabinoids excretion after passive exposure to marijuana smoke. Cone EJ and Johnson RE. Clinical Pharmacology and Therapeutics 1986 Sep;40(3):247-56.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3017628
Do delta9-tetrahydrocannabinol concentrations indicate recent use in chronic cannabis users? Karschner EL, Schwilke EW, Lowe RH, Darwin WD, Pope HG, Herning R, Cadet JL, Huestis MA. Addiction. 2009 Dec;104(12):2041-8. Epub 2009 Oct 5.
http://www.clinchem.org/cgi/reprint/49/7/1114
Developing limits for driving under cannabis. Grotenhermen F, Leson G, Berghaus G, Drummer OH, Krüger HP, Longo M, Moskowitz H, Perrine B, Ramaekers JG, Smiley A, Tunbridge R. Addiction 2007 Dec;102(12):1910-7. Epub 2007 Oct 4.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17916224
Urinary cannabinoid detection times after controlled oral administration of delta9-tetrahydrocannabinol to humans. Gustafson RA, Levine B, Stout PR, Klette KL, George MP, Moolchan ET, Huestis MA. Clin Chem. 2003 Jul;49(7):1114-24.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12816908
Editorial: Practical Challenges to Positive Drug Tests for Marijuana. ElSohly MA. Clin Chem. 2003 Jul;49(7):1037-8.
http://www.clinchem.org/cgi/reprint/49/7/1037
Dose related risk of motor vehicle crashes after cannabis use. Ramaekers JG, Berghaus G, van Laar M, Drummer OH. Drug Alcohol Depend. 2004 Feb 7;73(2):109-19.
http://www.ukcia.org/research/DoseRelatedRiskOfCrashes.pdf
Tolerance and cross-tolerance to neurocognitive effects of THC and alcohol in heavy cannabis users. Ramaekers JG, Theunissen EL, de Brouwer M, Toennes SW, Moeller MR, Kauert G. Psychopharmacology (Berl). 2011 Mar;214(2):391-401. Epub 2010 Oct 30.
http://www.cannabistherapyinstitute.com/bills/dui/raemakers.etal.pdf
Cannabis and Driving: A Scientific and Rational Review. Armentano P. NORML Foundation, Washington DC 2010
http://norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=7459
Sex differences in the effects of marijuana on simulated driving performance. Anderson BM, Rizzo M, Block RI, Pearlson GD, O'Leary DS. J Psychoactive Drugs. 2010 Mar;42(1):19-30.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3033009/
Effects of THC on driving performance, physiological state and subjective feelings relative to alcohol. Ronen A, Gershon P, Drobiner H, Rabinovich A, Bar-Hamburger R, Mechoulam R, Cassuto Y, Shinar D. Accid Anal Prev. 2008 May;40(3):926-34. Epub 2007 Nov 26.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18460360
Muscle Spasms
Dystonia
http://www.norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=7006
“Marijuana and Muscle Spasticity” in Marijuana As Medicine? – The Science Behind the Controversy. Mack A and Joy J. National Academy of Science. National Academy Press, Washington DC 2000.
http://books.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=9586&page=106
Nausea
See sections 3.1 of Cannabinoids in medicine: A review of their therapeutic potential. Amar MB. Journal of Ethnopharmacology 105 (2006) 1–25.
http://www.ucla.edu.ve/dmedicin/departamentos/fisiologia/cannabinoidsRevPatologias.pdf
Pain
University of California Center for Medical Cannabis Research—2010 Report to the Legislature
http://www.cmcr.ucsd.edu/images/pdfs/CMCR_REPORT_FEB17.pdf
Chronic Pain
http://www.norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=7786
“Marijuana and Pain” in Marijuana As Medicine? – The Science Behind the Controversy. Mack A and Joy J. National Academy of Science. National Academy Press, Washington DC 2000.
http://books.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=9586&page=77#
Post traumatic Stress Disorder
Cannabinoid receptor activation in the basolateral amygdala blocks the effects of stress on the conditioning and extinction of inhibitory avoidance. Ganon-Elazar E, Akirav I. J Neurosci. 2009 Sep 9;29(36):11078-88.
http://www.jneurosci.org/content/29/36/11078.full.pdf+html
[Extinction of emotional response as a novel approach of pharmacotherapy of anxiety disorders]. Lehner M, Wisłowska-Stanek A, Płaznik A. Psychiatr Pol. 2009 Nov-Dec;43(6):639-53.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20209877
The Use of a Synthetic Cannabinoid in the Management of Treatment‐Resistant Nightmares in Posttraumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD). Fraser GA. CNS Neurosci Ther. 2009 Winter;15(1):84-8.
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1755-5949.2008.00071.x/pdf
Public policy
Harm reduction-the cannabis paradox. Melamede R. Harm Reduct J. 2005 Sep 22;2:17.
http://www.harmreductionjournal.com/content/pdf/1477-7517-2-17.pdf
Seizures
See sections 3.7 of Cannabinoids in medicine: A review of their therapeutic potential. Amar MB. Journal of Ethnopharmacology 105 (2006) 1–25.
http://www.ucla.edu.ve/dmedicin/departamentos/fisiologia/cannabinoidsRevPatologias.pdf
“Marijuana and Neurological Disorders” in Marijuana As Medicine? – The Science Behind the Controversy. Mack A and Joy J. National Academy of Science. National Academy Press, Washington DC 2000.
http://books.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=9586&page=115
- Right Mark 79. I resent your attempt to associate me with this garbage. You are malicious. But maybe you can find a peer reviewed study, or your buddies can find somewhere in their theology manuals something to justify this rotten garbage, you know, just for recreation. Now Nadir, you applaud the next verbal assault by Mark 79, the key board bully, and Charity you say something nice about Mark 79 and DL, the key board cop, you threaten me with hell. Oh, and don't forget to give the thumbs down. The DeFacto government of CathInfo.
It's not inherently evil, any more than arsensic or digitalis are inherently evil. Both are natural substances, and poisonous. But they can be used for good, in the right situation. But who can doubt that arsenic, a natural substance, has been used for ill-purposes? Just because something is natural, it doesn't mean it's always good.There are fewer side effects of MJ than of alcohol.
Pot can cause serious side-effects, which will be downplayed or denied by pothead activists. Oh well.
Your illogic demands that we return to doctors examining and treating only fully clothed patients, never undressing them even for surgery. After all, seeing even an ankle definitely leads to fornication. Even clothed patients are problematic because a pretty face can be attractive, so let's demand that doctors only examine and treat from afar only patients veiled and in hijabs.:laugh2:
:facepalm:
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Uh oh! Never mind. Those eyes are looking pretty sexy.
Best that nobody sees anyone ever.
You see, there is a place for absolutism, but you have misplaced your hysterical rabid absolutism.
Actually I quoted him. Revisit the relevant post and notice the quotation marks. DL understood the jibe and we are still friends. Friendship can withstand fraternal correction. Men can withstand fraternal correction.My mistake. Thank you for the correction.
Notice how Meg pre-emptively "downplayed" any truthful recognition of that fact.MJ has been illegal far too long and anti-MJ propaganda has brainwashed far too many people.
MJ has been illegal far too long and anti-MJ propaganda has brainwashed far too many people.Yes. It's been about 5 years since I last saw numbers, but at that time the US had the highest per capita incarceration rate of any nation, bar none. About 70% were for non-violent malum prohibitum marijuana "crimes."
You made this very revealing statement.
In my experience very few if any SSPX priests (that's where I go) can guide young people in matters of MJ, alcohol, self-abuse, pornography and pre-marital relations, because they have no personal experience whatsoever. That is why I see the young people leave and go into the world as soon as they are able. That is what happened in the 1960's when 80% of Americans went to mass and the Novus Ordo did not exist. The priest didn't have a clue how to deal with it. I see women counselors who never had any children, giving lectures about how to raise children, and college professors who have never had to use their theories in the real world, teaching students . They are only good for teaching those that know little, like children. "In the country of blind men, the one eyed man is a king".
If you have not smoked pot you can't know anything but what you read. If you have friends who smoke pot, that is one way to learn about the effects by seeing them and how they live. Do you have any experience with relatives and friends who smoke pot?
Bonaventure, when you grow up, you might want to consider being your own man and not a DeFacto sidekick.:fryingpan:
Such language is inappropriate for ALL Catholics. We are to be the example by which others are to follow.
I'm appalled how many grown adults are "offended" by non-blasphemous, 4 letter words. Ever heard of "sticks and stones..."? I guess the snowflake culture has affected many Trads...
Mark79, calm down, pray the rosary and have a good day.Thank you.
I'm appalled how many grown adults are "offended" by non-blasphemous, 4 letter words. Ever heard of "sticks and stones..."? I guess the snowflake culture has affected many Trads...Indeed, the breathless concern about downthumbs and non-blasphemous words does not portend sufficient strength to weather the serious chastisements ahead.
Boise Pedophile Priest: Wanted to Kidnap, Rape and Kill Children"It wasn't his fault he shot the guy! It was the gun's fault"
(https://www.catholicsarenotchristians.com/author/admin/)By Jon Watkins
Father Faucher talked in the chat about his “desires to rape and kill children,”
Had 100s of child porn images – LSD and Ecstasy!”
Idaho Statesman – “Hundreds of images of child pornography and drugs including MARIJUANA, ecstasy and LSD were found in the home of a retired Boise priest, a prosecutor said at a Monday court hearing.”
I'm appalled how many grown adults are "offended" by non-blasphemous, 4 letter words. Ever heard of "sticks and stones..."? I guess the snowflake culture has affected many Trads...Gutter language is not an example by which others should follow.
Gutter language is not an example by which others should follow.:facepalm: Another example of poor logic.
Matthew wrote: You must be new here, son. Let me clue you in: roscoe totally owned it (smoking marijuana), admitted to it, and totally defended the smoking of pot by Catholics. There is no "alleged".and
Not just new here, but lazy as well: a casual perusal of roscoe's past posts show a strong promotion/defense of Marijuana use....
I advertised this particular truth about "roscoe" because it was common knowledge on this forum 10 years ago. The posts are all still there. We even had a "smilie" for pot smoking. You might see some old posts that have text such as *smoke-pot* but it no longer renders into a graphic, because a lot of the old smilies have been removed. And yes, most people will take the philosophical and metaphysical musings of a habitual pot smoker with a grain of salt -- as they should. Do a CathInfo search for "mary juanita" by user "roscoe" and you'll see his long history.
Matthew wrote: I'm not particularly strong on the pot issue, either direction. I've heard all the "pros" and I certainly can't shoot any of them down.and
My only point was: look at the public posting history of "roscoe", who rather controversially promotes this particular herb.
As the last several posts PROVE, it is still QUITE controversial in Catholic circles, to say the least.
We had a member on here a year ago post something against a priest. Turns out, the member in question was literally committed to a mental hospital. I think that's pretty relevant information when weighing "could it be true?" or "is that priest to be avoided or not"? Turns out, he later recanted and was relieved when I posted a followup to the thread. He asked for the thread to be taken down, but I couldn't, as the pillow full of feathers had already been burst asunder on a high windy hill, and now I needed to keep the thread up so people could quench ALL nagging doubts about said priest, because the allegations were unfounded, ravings of a mental patient, later retracted, etc.
But let's be honest -- if it came out that a prominent Traditional priest or bishop regularly "partook" of "the herb" there would be a ****storm on the interwebz, and you know it.
Recreational use of Marijuana
1. Opens the soul to demonic influence.
2. Weakens moral judgement
3. Promotes immorality
4. Fosters narcissism
5. Leads to moral pessimism
6. Is socially and morally divisive
7. Promotes laziness toward Catholic works
8. Promotes disobedience to priests and the Church
9. Promotes disobedience to secular authority
10. Is a safety issue for children who's parents use.
11. Causes neglect, and abuse of children by parents who use
12. Dulls sense of guilt and is counter to Sacrament of Confession
13. Profanes the reception of the Eucharist
14. Is falsely equated with moderate use of alcohol
15. Often leads to use of other drugs
16. Promotes secrecy and leads to animosity
17. Promotes other crime
18. Often destroys relationships
19. Impedes the desire to attain heaven
20. Leads to a liberal and worldly mindset
21. Retards emotions
22. Wastes opportunities for good
23 Impedes Christ's mandate to evangelize
24 Denies Scripture's command to stay sober
25 Denies the modest conduct of Our Lady
26 Leads to the unforgivable sin of despair
27 Is often its own object of worship
28. Causes certain kinds of brain damage
29. Often leads to other addictions
30. Inhibits holiness
31. Is well founded in paganism, abhorred in Christendom
32. Is proven by all the above to be a "sacrament" of the diabolic
This list is by no means exhaustive, barely even scratches the surface. After it exceeded 21, I figured this was enough to get the picture. If anyone disagrees, present your argument. Whatever you do, don't smoke weed, rather, do penance for the salvation of souls.
You made this very revealing statement.
You claimed that your "experience" (your exact word) allowed you to know the advice of multiple priests (you used the plural) and were in a position to know the results of that advice regarding five concerns. So, unless 1 penitent had sins related to all five topics, you are claiming you have knowledge of the sins of multiple penitents before and after the advice of multiple priests.
You cannot know the advice of multiple priests unless you were told by the priests and penitents or listened at the confessional. Which is it? Did multiple priests break the seal of the confessional? Or did you listen to the confessions of others? Or did multiple people decide that they also needed to confess their sins to you? Which is it?
You cannot know the outcome of that advice unless you can compare the sins before and after the advice. To make that comparison you must have knowledge of the sɛҳuąƖ activities of multiple people. How did you get that knowledge? Did all those penitents give you a tally of their porn use, masturbation, and fornication? Were you doing occult paranormal "remote viewing"? Or were you a serial Peeping Tom?
Of course, there is another possibility… You lied that you have "experience," simply did the Meg thing, presumed you know the interior forum and project acts about which you could only perversely know or imagine, and are just what we know you to be—a rabid blowhard perverted bullsh*tter.
Your own statement reveals that you are a seriously disordered person—sɛҳuąƖly and spiritually—who foams and perversely ruminates about and projects the sɛҳuąƖ sins of others. It seems that your stated sɛҳuąƖ past is reflected in your present disorder.
Totally disgusting.
What diverted this thread away from sins of the flesh associated with recreational use of Marijuana (that Tradman detailed), and what Matthew was referring to with regard to Roscoe?This debate has panned out just like a debate on EENS & "Salvation of all by Implicit Faith" in that Mark79 has duped the indifferent by doing an end run around the 32 points above without answering any of them, which are all facts from the real world, that anyone can observe about recreational use of marijuana by young people. It is the same with EENS, they just do an end run around all the dogmas to convince today 99% of Catholics that nice people are somehow saved.
Answer: It was turned by Mark79 into a medical use of marijuana and its benefits thread.
Matthew was not talking about Roscoe's medical use.
Therefore, I return the subject of this thread to what it was originally, it is about recreational use of MJ. And because of the experience in other threads, I specifically request from Matthew that the subject be further restricted to use among young girls and boys and what we teach them and the example that we should set. THE reality today of what our children will be confronted.
Let's shine a light on the real issue, for it is not medical use or two old hippies with no children smoking "to relax" in their trailer in Arizona.
This debate has panned out just like a debate on EENS & "Salvation of all by Implicit Faith" in that Mark79 has duped the indifferent by doing an end run around the 32 points above without answering any of them, which are all facts from the real world, that anyone can observe about recreational use of marijuana by young people. .......Concerning the end run #2 around the 32 points, which is saying that "according to moral theology "marijuana use is neutral, that it depends of how it is used", not a one supporter of that end run has posted Jone Moral Theology that they keep "interpretating". God does not teach the children through moral theologians, his children, the common man in Africa, South America, Indian, China, and the whole world .... ("But Jesus said to them: Suffer the little children, and forbid them not to come to me: for the kingdom of heaven is for such".) so there must be something wrong with these "interpretations" because they make no sense. Any illiterate Catholic of good will ( a barefoot Juan Diego in Mexico ) knows that MJ should not be used recreationally, because it is a bad example to the children and non-Catholics, it is a scandal. So there must be something wrong with these "interpretations". It is always that way, God's voice is for the simple and humble, those not attached to things of this world. And so, I took out my Jone and read the passage that is being used by the "interpreters" that never posted Jone, just their "interpretations". And there it is "It may be a mortal sin because of scandal, injury to health, harm to one’s family, etc." Exactly what the Catholic "children" here knew all along, the list of 32 reasons.
The end runs are 1) switching to medical use and sentimentalism for the sick , which is not what we are discussing here, and 2) saying that according to moral theology "marijuana use is neutral, that it depends of how it is used". Those are just end runs that do not answer the real issues with recreational MJ use among the young.
JONE Moral Theology #110 (TAN books, Imprimatur 1961)Intemperance in drinking which has as its immediate effect the loss of the use of reason is a graver sin than immoderation in eating.Intoxication that results in a partial loss of reason is only a venial sin.It may be a mortal sin because of scandal, injury to health, harm to one’s family, etc.Intoxication that ends in complete loss of reason is a mortal sin if brought on without a sufficient reason.Complete loss of reason is presumed in him who can no longer distinguish good from bad, or if, after the drunkenness has passed, he cannot remember what he said or did while under the influence of drink, or if one does a thing which he never would have done when sober.A sufficient reason to deprive oneself temporally of his use of reason would be to cure a disease or to counteract blood poisoning and the like. Merely to drive away the blues is not adequate reason.To make another person completely drunk is also a grave sin, unless there is a sufficient excuse, e.g., to prevent him from committing a great crime. It is more readily permissible to be the occasion of another’s intoxication, e.g., at a banquet.Since morphine, opium, chloroform and similar drugs can also deprive one of the use of his reason temporarily, that which was said of intoxicating drinks holds also for narcotics (Cf. 165, 4).To use narcotics in small quantities and only occasionally, is a venial sin if done without a sufficient reason. Any proportionately good reason justifies their use, e.g., to calm the nerves, dispel insomnia, etc.Such use becomes gravely sinful if it creates an habitual craving for “dope” which is more difficult to overcome than dipsomania and more injurious to health.To use drugs in greater quantities so as to lose the use of one’s reason is in itself a mortal sin; but for a good reason it is permissible.Such a good reason is had in case of operations, i.e., that the patient be rendered insensible to intense pain, or that one might remain calm under the knife. In like manner one may administer opiates to one who is suffering greatly in order to alleviate his pain.In general it is forbidden to make a patient unconscious by the use of drugs in non-lethal doses in order that he may have a painless death (therapeutic euthanasia 211).Such action is lawful if the sick person is well prepared for death and there is danger that he might otherwise fall into sin. Some authors allow such a procedure if the dying person is thus spared unusually great suffering and if one has reason to presume his consent. — According to the general opinion such a practice is not allowed merely to remove the ordinary anxieties that accompany the death agony. If the patient asks for such drugs in good faith and if there is no hope of teaching him otherwise, he should be left in good faith.
Such a practice is never allowed if the sick person is not prepared for death, and hope remains that he might eventually prepare for it. In such a case one must oppose as far as he can the doctors and relatives who desire to effect his dying while unconscious.
You (plural) point to the Church teaching about being "sober." THAT is based on the risks of abuse. I see no mention in 1 Thessalonians 5:7-9 of exceptions, so how exactly does the Church justify ANY use of alcohol? Return to first principles: avoid undue risk of self-harm (whether physically or spiritually).
Since you claim MJ use is different from alcohol use, the burden is on YOU to make the case for the moral or medical difference—on something more substantial than your half-baked [pun-intended] "opinion."
No. I cannot point to "a" single study, but to dozens, even hundreds of studies. Glad you asked. :jester:
Start here, my bibliography for a series of 8 articles I wrote about medical marijuana in 2010-2011 when it was an issue in our state:
Important reviews
University of California Center for Medical Cannabis Research—2010 Report to the Legislature
http://www.cmcr.ucsd.edu/images/pdfs/CMCR_REPORT_FEB17.pdf
Review on clinical studies with cannabis and cannabinoids 2005-2009. Hazecamp A and Grotenhermen F. Cannabinoids 2010;5(special issue):1-21.
www.cannabis-med.org/data/pdf/en_2010_01_special.pdf
Cannabinoids in medicine: A review of their therapeutic potential. Amar MB. Journal of Ethnopharmacology 105 (2006) 1–25.
http://www.ucla.edu.ve/dmedicin/departamentos/fisiologia/cannabinoidsRevPatologias.pdf
Emerging Clinical Applications for Cannabis and Cannabinoids: A Review of the Recent Scientific Literature, 2000 – 2010. Armentano P. NORML Foundation, Washington DC 2010.
http://norml.org/pdf_files/NORML_Clinical_Applications_for_Cannabis_and_Cannabinoids.pdf
Marijuana and Medicine: Assessing the Science Base. National Academy of Science Institute of Medicine, 1999
http://www.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=6376
popularized in: Marijuana As Medicine? – The Science Behind the Controversy. Mack A and Joy J. National Academy of Science. National Academy Press, Washington DC 2000.
http://books.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=9586&page=R1
AIDS/HIV
University of California Center for Medical Cannabis Research—2010 Report to the Legislature
http://www.cmcr.ucsd.edu/images/pdfs/CMCR_REPORT_FEB17.pdf
Human Immunodeficiency Virus (HIV)
http://www.norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=7485
“Marijuana and AIDS” in Marijuana As Medicine? – The Science Behind the Controversy. Mack A and Joy J. National Academy of Science. National Academy Press, Washington DC 2000.
http://books.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=9586&page=86
ALS (Amyotrophic Lateral Sclerosis, Lou Gehrig's Disease)
Amyotrophic Lateral Sclerosis (ALS)
http://www.norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=7004
Alzheimer's Disease
Alzheimer's Disease
http://norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=7003
Cachexia. Wasting syndrome
See sections 3.1 and 3.2 of Cannabinoids in medicine: A review of their therapeutic potential. Amar MB. Journal of Ethnopharmacology 105 (2006) 1–25.
http://www.ucla.edu.ve/dmedicin/departamentos/fisiologia/cannabinoidsRevPatologias.pdf
Cancer
Gliomas/Cancer
http://www.norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=7008
“Marijuana and Cancer” in Marijuana As Medicine? – The Science Behind the Controversy. Mack A and Joy J. National Academy of Science. National Academy Press, Washington DC 2000.
http://books.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=9586&page=95
Cannabis and Cannabinoids (PDQ®). National Cancer Institute. 2011.
http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/pdq/cam/cannabis/healthprofessional/page1
Cardiovascular disease
The Potential for Clinical Use of Cannabinoids in Treatment
of Cardiovascular Diseases. Durst R and Lotan C. Cardiovascular Therapeutics 2011 Feb;29(1):17-22. doi: 10.1111/j.1755-5922.2010.00233.x. Epub 2010 Oct 14.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20946323
The emerging role of the endocannabinoid system in cardiovascular disease. Pacher P, Steffens S. Semin Immunopathol. 2009 Jun;31(1):63-77. Epub 2009 Apr 9.
http://www.springerlink.com/content/a04103g160h16450/fulltext.pdf
Cannabinoid receptors in atherosclerosis. Steffens S, Mach F. Curr Opin Lipidol. 2006 Oct;17(5):519-26.
http://journals.lww.com/co-lipidology/Abstract/2006/10000/Cannabinoid_receptors_in_atherosclerosis.5.aspx
Cannabinoid receptors in acute and chronic complications of atherosclerosis. Mach F, Montecucco F, Steffens S. Br J Pharmacol. 2008 January; 153(2): 290–298.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2219535/pdf/0707517a.pdf
Endocannabinoids and cannabinoid receptors in ischaemia-reperfusion injury and preconditioning. Pacher P, Haskó G. Br J Pharmacol. 2008 Jan;153(2):252-62. Epub 2007 Nov 19.
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1038/sj.bjp.0707582/pdf
The role of the endocannabinoid system in atherosclerosis. Mach F, Steffens S. J Neuroendocrinol. 2008 May;20 Suppl 1:53-7.
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1365-2826.2008.01685.x/pdf
Cardiovascular Effects of Cannabis | Medicinal Cannabis Information. Independent Drug Monitoring Unit, United Kingdom, undated
http://www.idmu.co.uk/canncardio.htm
Crohns Disease
Gastrointestinal Disorders
http://www.norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=7009
Endocannabinoid sysytem
The Endocannabinoid System as an Emerging Target of Pharmacotherapy. National Institute of Health: Pacher P, Bátkai S, Kunos G. Pharmacol Rev. 2006 Sep;58(3):389-462.
http://pharmrev.aspetjournals.org/content/58/3/389.full.pdf
Endocrine disease, diabetes
The emerging role of the endocannabinoid system in endocrine regulation and energy balance. Pagotto U, Marsicano G, Cota D, Lutz B, Pasquali R. Endocr Rev. 2006 Feb;27(1):73-100. Epub 2005 Nov 23.
http://fk.uwks.ac.id/elib/Arsip/Departemen/Biokimia/The%20Emerging%20Role%20of%20the%20Endocannabinoid%20System.pdf
Fibromyalgia
Nabilone for the Treatment of Pain in Fibromyalgia. Skrabek RQ, Galimova L, Ethans K, Perry D. J Pain. 2008 Feb;9(2):164-73. Epub 2007 Nov 5.
http://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:9gDyCVhqJSMJ:files.meetup.com/404848/2008_Nabilone-for-the-Treatment-of-Pain-in-Fibromyalgia.pdf+Nabilone+for+the+Treatment+of+Pain+in+Fibromyalgia&hl=en&gl=us&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEESjFGavzxEJkBjsOj_YyWPHuo5PRG034PLna8X6n3sXGT696PVuaEH15HF07xVpfV10wLPfon8-nZoD0RcJfU6LInnuqHOGpKDECN4oQ6OWBgGgwXWckH2QB31FTn1BZn0KX9U7A&sig=AHIEtbQlDN8uMzxJIm6KKL0POTJdhmbsvg
Delta-9-THC based monotherapy in fibromyalgia patients on experimentally induced pain, axon reflex flare, and pain relief. Schley M, Legler A, Skopp G, Schmelz M, Konrad C, Rukwied R. Curr Med Res Opin. 2006 Jul;22(7):1269-76.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16834825
Fibromyalgia
http://norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=7007
Glaucoma
American Glaucoma Society position statement: Marijuana and the treatment of glaucoma. American Glaucoma Society, Prepared by Henry Jampel, M.D., M.H.S., August 10, 2009
http://www.americanglaucomasociety.net/associations/5224/files/Marijuana%20and%20Glaucoma%20august%2030_BOD%20Approved%2010.23.09.pdf
Marijuana and Glaucoma” in Marijuana As Medicine? – The Science Behind the Controversy. Mack A and Joy J. National Academy of Science. National Academy Press, Washington DC 2000.
http://books.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=9586&page=124
Hepatitis C
Hepatitis C
http://www.norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=7010
Marijuana effects, drug levels, DUI
Marijuana effect and delta9-tetrahydrocannabinol plasma level. Chiang CWN and Barnett G. Clinical Pharmacology and Therapeutics 1984 Aug;36(2):234-8.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/6086207
Contact highs and urinary cannabinoids excretion after passive exposure to marijuana smoke. Cone EJ and Johnson RE. Clinical Pharmacology and Therapeutics 1986 Sep;40(3):247-56.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3017628
Do delta9-tetrahydrocannabinol concentrations indicate recent use in chronic cannabis users? Karschner EL, Schwilke EW, Lowe RH, Darwin WD, Pope HG, Herning R, Cadet JL, Huestis MA. Addiction. 2009 Dec;104(12):2041-8. Epub 2009 Oct 5.
http://www.clinchem.org/cgi/reprint/49/7/1114
Developing limits for driving under cannabis. Grotenhermen F, Leson G, Berghaus G, Drummer OH, Krüger HP, Longo M, Moskowitz H, Perrine B, Ramaekers JG, Smiley A, Tunbridge R. Addiction 2007 Dec;102(12):1910-7. Epub 2007 Oct 4.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17916224
Urinary cannabinoid detection times after controlled oral administration of delta9-tetrahydrocannabinol to humans. Gustafson RA, Levine B, Stout PR, Klette KL, George MP, Moolchan ET, Huestis MA. Clin Chem. 2003 Jul;49(7):1114-24.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12816908
Editorial: Practical Challenges to Positive Drug Tests for Marijuana. ElSohly MA. Clin Chem. 2003 Jul;49(7):1037-8.
http://www.clinchem.org/cgi/reprint/49/7/1037
Dose related risk of motor vehicle crashes after cannabis use. Ramaekers JG, Berghaus G, van Laar M, Drummer OH. Drug Alcohol Depend. 2004 Feb 7;73(2):109-19.
http://www.ukcia.org/research/DoseRelatedRiskOfCrashes.pdf
Tolerance and cross-tolerance to neurocognitive effects of THC and alcohol in heavy cannabis users. Ramaekers JG, Theunissen EL, de Brouwer M, Toennes SW, Moeller MR, Kauert G. Psychopharmacology (Berl). 2011 Mar;214(2):391-401. Epub 2010 Oct 30.
http://www.cannabistherapyinstitute.com/bills/dui/raemakers.etal.pdf
Cannabis and Driving: A Scientific and Rational Review. Armentano P. NORML Foundation, Washington DC 2010
http://norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=7459
Sex differences in the effects of marijuana on simulated driving performance. Anderson BM, Rizzo M, Block RI, Pearlson GD, O'Leary DS. J Psychoactive Drugs. 2010 Mar;42(1):19-30.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3033009/
Effects of THC on driving performance, physiological state and subjective feelings relative to alcohol. Ronen A, Gershon P, Drobiner H, Rabinovich A, Bar-Hamburger R, Mechoulam R, Cassuto Y, Shinar D. Accid Anal Prev. 2008 May;40(3):926-34. Epub 2007 Nov 26.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18460360
Muscle Spasms
Dystonia
http://www.norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=7006
“Marijuana and Muscle Spasticity” in Marijuana As Medicine? – The Science Behind the Controversy. Mack A and Joy J. National Academy of Science. National Academy Press, Washington DC 2000.
http://books.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=9586&page=106
Nausea
See sections 3.1 of Cannabinoids in medicine: A review of their therapeutic potential. Amar MB. Journal of Ethnopharmacology 105 (2006) 1–25.
http://www.ucla.edu.ve/dmedicin/departamentos/fisiologia/cannabinoidsRevPatologias.pdf
Pain
University of California Center for Medical Cannabis Research—2010 Report to the Legislature
http://www.cmcr.ucsd.edu/images/pdfs/CMCR_REPORT_FEB17.pdf
Chronic Pain
http://www.norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=7786
“Marijuana and Pain” in Marijuana As Medicine? – The Science Behind the Controversy. Mack A and Joy J. National Academy of Science. National Academy Press, Washington DC 2000.
http://books.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=9586&page=77#
Post traumatic Stress Disorder
Cannabinoid receptor activation in the basolateral amygdala blocks the effects of stress on the conditioning and extinction of inhibitory avoidance. Ganon-Elazar E, Akirav I. J Neurosci. 2009 Sep 9;29(36):11078-88.
http://www.jneurosci.org/content/29/36/11078.full.pdf+html
[Extinction of emotional response as a novel approach of pharmacotherapy of anxiety disorders]. Lehner M, Wisłowska-Stanek A, Płaznik A. Psychiatr Pol. 2009 Nov-Dec;43(6):639-53.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20209877
The Use of a Synthetic Cannabinoid in the Management of Treatment‐Resistant Nightmares in Posttraumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD). Fraser GA. CNS Neurosci Ther. 2009 Winter;15(1):84-8.
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1755-5949.2008.00071.x/pdf
Public policy
Harm reduction-the cannabis paradox. Melamede R. Harm Reduct J. 2005 Sep 22;2:17.
http://www.harmreductionjournal.com/content/pdf/1477-7517-2-17.pdf
Seizures
See sections 3.7 of Cannabinoids in medicine: A review of their therapeutic potential. Amar MB. Journal of Ethnopharmacology 105 (2006) 1–25.
http://www.ucla.edu.ve/dmedicin/departamentos/fisiologia/cannabinoidsRevPatologias.pdf
“Marijuana and Neurological Disorders” in Marijuana As Medicine? – The Science Behind the Controversy. Mack A and Joy J. National Academy of Science. National Academy Press, Washington DC 2000.
http://books.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=9586&page=115
The title of this thread is "…MARIJUANA USE…," not restricted to recreational use.That's the end run at work again, that I am shining a light on. The writer above is once again attempting to switch the discussion to "medical use and sentimentalism for the sick" mode. Matthew was not talking about medical use when he started this thread about Roscoe. The writer of the quote above, Mark79, was the one that conveniently switched this thread to "medical use and sentimentalism for the sick" mode.
That's the end run at work again, that I am shining a light on. The writer above is once again attempting to switch the discussion to "medical use and sentimentalism for the sick" mode. Matthew was not talking about medical use when he started this thread about Roscoe. The writer of the quote above, Mark79, was the one that conveniently switched this thread to "medical use and sentimentalism for the sick" mode.Matthew wrote at the very beginning of this thread:
Everyone notice how he starts in with his spam to obscure, the gigantic horn and more to come.
But let's be honest -- if it came out that a prominent Traditional priest or bishop regularly "partook" of "the herb" there would be a ****storm on the interwebz, and you know it.There is a great example of the sin of scandal that I highlighted above, anyone can understand this. Now watch Matrk79 switch that to medical use by a bishop.
JONE Moral Theology #110 (TAN books, Imprimatur 1961)Intemperance in drinking which has as its immediate effect the loss of the use of reason is a graver sin than immoderation in eating.Intoxication that results in a partial loss of reason is only a venial sin.It may be a mortal sin because of scandal, injury to health, harm to one’s family, etc.
With regard to drunkenness we reply that it is a mortal sin by reason of its genus: for that a man, without necessity, and through the mere lust of wine, makes himself unable to use his reason, whereby he is directed to God and avoids committing many sins, is expressly contrary to virtue. That it be a venial sin is due to some sort of ignorance or weakness, as when a man is ignorant of the strength of the wine, or of his own unfitness, so that he has no thought of getting drunk, for in that case the drunkenness is not imputed to him as a sin, but only the excessive drink…." (Summa Theologica, I-II, q. 88, art. 5, ad1)
The use of drugs inflicts very grave damage on human health and life. Their use, except on strictly therapeutic grounds, is a grave offense. Clandestine production of and trafficking in drugs are scandalous practices. They constitute direct co-operation in evil, since they encourage people to practices gravely contrary to the moral law." (§2291)
We are traditionalist Catholics so where are all the writings showing clear approval of recreational usage of MJ, writings from time proven saints, doctors, popes, priests, learned respected Catholic laymen?The Bible good enough for you?
Bringing forth grass for cattle, and herb for the service of men. That thou mayst bring bread out of the earth:" [Psalms 103:14 (http://www.drbo.org/cgi-bin/d?b=drb&bk=21&ch=103&l=14#x)] |
The Bible good enough for you?Totally Protestant, self-interpretation, "bible only".
[Psalms 103:14 (http://www.drbo.org/cgi-bin/d?b=drb&bk=21&ch=103&l=14#x)]
And God said: Behold I have given you every herb bearing seed upon the earth, and all trees that have in themselves seed of their own kind, to be your meat: (http://www.drbo.org/cgi-bin/d?b=drb&bk=1&ch=1&l=29-29&q=1#x)
Genesis 1:29
Totally Protestant, self-interpretation, "bible only".
One has to have a long line of Doctors, Saints, Popes, time approved teachings. With scripture, one can justify just about anything, that is why there are as many Protestant sects as there are Protestants.
LT, you quoted Jone and missed the most important phrase - LOSS OF THE USE OF REASON. This is the factor which determines sinfulness.I am purposely discussing specifically MJ use among young girls and boys, and the 32 points, real world experience with MJ use. The writer above is once again just attempting an end run by changing the discussion to two adults with no children taking one or two tokes in their home, totally hidden from everybody and never revealed to anyone. It is a scandal and harmful to the family for parents to smoke marijuana openly in the world:
Both alcohol and MJ can be used without loss of reason. You continue to ignore this reality.
Some people can’t just have 1-2 drinks (they can’t control this impulse and get drunk), others can.
If alcohol and MJ were the proximate occasions to sin that you say they are (ie any use ALWAYS leads to sin) then the Church would’ve condemned them long ago. But she hasn’t because people are different and some situations are a BIG temptation for 1 person and not a temptation at all for another.
As the Greeks wisely said: “Know thyself”. Personal responsibility is the key to salvation.
Moral Theology #110 (TAN books, Imprimatur 1961)The writer is doing an end run around Fr. Scotts article. Parents smoking MJ around their children and any Catholics, is a scandal. We are not talking about two adults with no children taking one or two toking in their home totally hidden from everybody and never reveled to anyone.Intoxication that results in a partial loss of reason is only a venial sin.It may be a mortal sin because of scandal, injury to health, harm to one’s family, etc.
From first time poster on CI rochefrocauld, one of the 99% of trad Catholics who disapproves of recreational use of MJ:
Is smoking marijuana a sin? by Fr. Peter Scott.
I am purposely discussing specifically MJ use among young girls and boys, and the 32 points, real world experience with MJ use.
You (plural) point to the Church teaching about being "sober." THAT is based on the risks of abuse. I see no mention in 1 Thessalonians 5:7-9 of exceptions, so how exactly does the Church justify ANY use of alcohol? Return to first principles: avoid undue risk of self-harm (whether physically or spiritually).
Since you claim MJ use is different from alcohol use, the burden is on YOU to make the case for the moral or medical difference—on something more substantial than your half-baked [pun-intended] "opinion."
No. I cannot point to "a" single study, but to dozens, even hundreds of studies. Glad you asked. :jester:
Start here, my bibliography for a series of 8 articles I wrote about medical marijuana in 2010-2011 when it was an issue in our state:
Important reviews
University of California Center for Medical Cannabis Research—2010 Report to the Legislature
http://www.cmcr.ucsd.edu/images/pdfs/CMCR_REPORT_FEB17.pdf
Review on clinical studies with cannabis and cannabinoids 2005-2009. Hazecamp A and Grotenhermen F. Cannabinoids 2010;5(special issue):1-21.
www.cannabis-med.org/data/pdf/en_2010_01_special.pdf
Cannabinoids in medicine: A review of their therapeutic potential. Amar MB. Journal of Ethnopharmacology 105 (2006) 1–25.
http://www.ucla.edu.ve/dmedicin/departamentos/fisiologia/cannabinoidsRevPatologias.pdf
Emerging Clinical Applications for Cannabis and Cannabinoids: A Review of the Recent Scientific Literature, 2000 – 2010. Armentano P. NORML Foundation, Washington DC 2010.
http://norml.org/pdf_files/NORML_Clinical_Applications_for_Cannabis_and_Cannabinoids.pdf
Marijuana and Medicine: Assessing the Science Base. National Academy of Science Institute of Medicine, 1999
http://www.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=6376
popularized in: Marijuana As Medicine? – The Science Behind the Controversy. Mack A and Joy J. National Academy of Science. National Academy Press, Washington DC 2000.
http://books.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=9586&page=R1
AIDS/HIV
University of California Center for Medical Cannabis Research—2010 Report to the Legislature
http://www.cmcr.ucsd.edu/images/pdfs/CMCR_REPORT_FEB17.pdf
Human Immunodeficiency Virus (HIV)
http://www.norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=7485
“Marijuana and AIDS” in Marijuana As Medicine? – The Science Behind the Controversy. Mack A and Joy J. National Academy of Science. National Academy Press, Washington DC 2000.
http://books.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=9586&page=86
ALS (Amyotrophic Lateral Sclerosis, Lou Gehrig's Disease)
Amyotrophic Lateral Sclerosis (ALS)
http://www.norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=7004
Alzheimer's Disease
Alzheimer's Disease
http://norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=7003
Cachexia. Wasting syndrome
See sections 3.1 and 3.2 of Cannabinoids in medicine: A review of their therapeutic potential. Amar MB. Journal of Ethnopharmacology 105 (2006) 1–25.
http://www.ucla.edu.ve/dmedicin/departamentos/fisiologia/cannabinoidsRevPatologias.pdf
Cancer
Gliomas/Cancer
http://www.norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=7008
“Marijuana and Cancer” in Marijuana As Medicine? – The Science Behind the Controversy. Mack A and Joy J. National Academy of Science. National Academy Press, Washington DC 2000.
http://books.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=9586&page=95
Cannabis and Cannabinoids (PDQ®). National Cancer Institute. 2011.
http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/pdq/cam/cannabis/healthprofessional/page1
Cardiovascular disease
The Potential for Clinical Use of Cannabinoids in Treatment
of Cardiovascular Diseases. Durst R and Lotan C. Cardiovascular Therapeutics 2011 Feb;29(1):17-22. doi: 10.1111/j.1755-5922.2010.00233.x. Epub 2010 Oct 14.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20946323
The emerging role of the endocannabinoid system in cardiovascular disease. Pacher P, Steffens S. Semin Immunopathol. 2009 Jun;31(1):63-77. Epub 2009 Apr 9.
http://www.springerlink.com/content/a04103g160h16450/fulltext.pdf
Cannabinoid receptors in atherosclerosis. Steffens S, Mach F. Curr Opin Lipidol. 2006 Oct;17(5):519-26.
http://journals.lww.com/co-lipidology/Abstract/2006/10000/Cannabinoid_receptors_in_atherosclerosis.5.aspx
Cannabinoid receptors in acute and chronic complications of atherosclerosis. Mach F, Montecucco F, Steffens S. Br J Pharmacol. 2008 January; 153(2): 290–298.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2219535/pdf/0707517a.pdf
Endocannabinoids and cannabinoid receptors in ischaemia-reperfusion injury and preconditioning. Pacher P, Haskó G. Br J Pharmacol. 2008 Jan;153(2):252-62. Epub 2007 Nov 19.
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1038/sj.bjp.0707582/pdf
The role of the endocannabinoid system in atherosclerosis. Mach F, Steffens S. J Neuroendocrinol. 2008 May;20 Suppl 1:53-7.
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1365-2826.2008.01685.x/pdf
Cardiovascular Effects of Cannabis | Medicinal Cannabis Information. Independent Drug Monitoring Unit, United Kingdom, undated
http://www.idmu.co.uk/canncardio.htm
Crohns Disease
Gastrointestinal Disorders
http://www.norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=7009
Endocannabinoid sysytem
The Endocannabinoid System as an Emerging Target of Pharmacotherapy. National Institute of Health: Pacher P, Bátkai S, Kunos G. Pharmacol Rev. 2006 Sep;58(3):389-462.
http://pharmrev.aspetjournals.org/content/58/3/389.full.pdf
Endocrine disease, diabetes
The emerging role of the endocannabinoid system in endocrine regulation and energy balance. Pagotto U, Marsicano G, Cota D, Lutz B, Pasquali R. Endocr Rev. 2006 Feb;27(1):73-100. Epub 2005 Nov 23.
http://fk.uwks.ac.id/elib/Arsip/Departemen/Biokimia/The%20Emerging%20Role%20of%20the%20Endocannabinoid%20System.pdf
Fibromyalgia
Nabilone for the Treatment of Pain in Fibromyalgia. Skrabek RQ, Galimova L, Ethans K, Perry D. J Pain. 2008 Feb;9(2):164-73. Epub 2007 Nov 5.
http://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:9gDyCVhqJSMJ:files.meetup.com/404848/2008_Nabilone-for-the-Treatment-of-Pain-in-Fibromyalgia.pdf+Nabilone+for+the+Treatment+of+Pain+in+Fibromyalgia&hl=en&gl=us&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEESjFGavzxEJkBjsOj_YyWPHuo5PRG034PLna8X6n3sXGT696PVuaEH15HF07xVpfV10wLPfon8-nZoD0RcJfU6LInnuqHOGpKDECN4oQ6OWBgGgwXWckH2QB31FTn1BZn0KX9U7A&sig=AHIEtbQlDN8uMzxJIm6KKL0POTJdhmbsvg
Delta-9-THC based monotherapy in fibromyalgia patients on experimentally induced pain, axon reflex flare, and pain relief. Schley M, Legler A, Skopp G, Schmelz M, Konrad C, Rukwied R. Curr Med Res Opin. 2006 Jul;22(7):1269-76.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16834825
Fibromyalgia
http://norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=7007
Glaucoma
American Glaucoma Society position statement: Marijuana and the treatment of glaucoma. American Glaucoma Society, Prepared by Henry Jampel, M.D., M.H.S., August 10, 2009
http://www.americanglaucomasociety.net/associations/5224/files/Marijuana%20and%20Glaucoma%20august%2030_BOD%20Approved%2010.23.09.pdf
Marijuana and Glaucoma” in Marijuana As Medicine? – The Science Behind the Controversy. Mack A and Joy J. National Academy of Science. National Academy Press, Washington DC 2000.
http://books.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=9586&page=124
Hepatitis C
Hepatitis C
http://www.norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=7010
Marijuana effects, drug levels, DUI
Marijuana effect and delta9-tetrahydrocannabinol plasma level. Chiang CWN and Barnett G. Clinical Pharmacology and Therapeutics 1984 Aug;36(2):234-8.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/6086207
Contact highs and urinary cannabinoids excretion after passive exposure to marijuana smoke. Cone EJ and Johnson RE. Clinical Pharmacology and Therapeutics 1986 Sep;40(3):247-56.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3017628
Do delta9-tetrahydrocannabinol concentrations indicate recent use in chronic cannabis users? Karschner EL, Schwilke EW, Lowe RH, Darwin WD, Pope HG, Herning R, Cadet JL, Huestis MA. Addiction. 2009 Dec;104(12):2041-8. Epub 2009 Oct 5.
http://www.clinchem.org/cgi/reprint/49/7/1114
Developing limits for driving under cannabis. Grotenhermen F, Leson G, Berghaus G, Drummer OH, Krüger HP, Longo M, Moskowitz H, Perrine B, Ramaekers JG, Smiley A, Tunbridge R. Addiction 2007 Dec;102(12):1910-7. Epub 2007 Oct 4.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17916224
Urinary cannabinoid detection times after controlled oral administration of delta9-tetrahydrocannabinol to humans. Gustafson RA, Levine B, Stout PR, Klette KL, George MP, Moolchan ET, Huestis MA. Clin Chem. 2003 Jul;49(7):1114-24.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12816908
Editorial: Practical Challenges to Positive Drug Tests for Marijuana. ElSohly MA. Clin Chem. 2003 Jul;49(7):1037-8.
http://www.clinchem.org/cgi/reprint/49/7/1037
Dose related risk of motor vehicle crashes after cannabis use. Ramaekers JG, Berghaus G, van Laar M, Drummer OH. Drug Alcohol Depend. 2004 Feb 7;73(2):109-19.
http://www.ukcia.org/research/DoseRelatedRiskOfCrashes.pdf
Tolerance and cross-tolerance to neurocognitive effects of THC and alcohol in heavy cannabis users. Ramaekers JG, Theunissen EL, de Brouwer M, Toennes SW, Moeller MR, Kauert G. Psychopharmacology (Berl). 2011 Mar;214(2):391-401. Epub 2010 Oct 30.
http://www.cannabistherapyinstitute.com/bills/dui/raemakers.etal.pdf
Cannabis and Driving: A Scientific and Rational Review. Armentano P. NORML Foundation, Washington DC 2010
http://norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=7459
Sex differences in the effects of marijuana on simulated driving performance. Anderson BM, Rizzo M, Block RI, Pearlson GD, O'Leary DS. J Psychoactive Drugs. 2010 Mar;42(1):19-30.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3033009/
Effects of THC on driving performance, physiological state and subjective feelings relative to alcohol. Ronen A, Gershon P, Drobiner H, Rabinovich A, Bar-Hamburger R, Mechoulam R, Cassuto Y, Shinar D. Accid Anal Prev. 2008 May;40(3):926-34. Epub 2007 Nov 26.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18460360
Muscle Spasms
Dystonia
http://www.norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=7006
“Marijuana and Muscle Spasticity” in Marijuana As Medicine? – The Science Behind the Controversy. Mack A and Joy J. National Academy of Science. National Academy Press, Washington DC 2000.
http://books.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=9586&page=106
Nausea
See sections 3.1 of Cannabinoids in medicine: A review of their therapeutic potential. Amar MB. Journal of Ethnopharmacology 105 (2006) 1–25.
http://www.ucla.edu.ve/dmedicin/departamentos/fisiologia/cannabinoidsRevPatologias.pdf
Pain
University of California Center for Medical Cannabis Research—2010 Report to the Legislature
http://www.cmcr.ucsd.edu/images/pdfs/CMCR_REPORT_FEB17.pdf
Chronic Pain
http://www.norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=7786
“Marijuana and Pain” in Marijuana As Medicine? – The Science Behind the Controversy. Mack A and Joy J. National Academy of Science. National Academy Press, Washington DC 2000.
http://books.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=9586&page=77#
Post traumatic Stress Disorder
Cannabinoid receptor activation in the basolateral amygdala blocks the effects of stress on the conditioning and extinction of inhibitory avoidance. Ganon-Elazar E, Akirav I. J Neurosci. 2009 Sep 9;29(36):11078-88.
http://www.jneurosci.org/content/29/36/11078.full.pdf+html
[Extinction of emotional response as a novel approach of pharmacotherapy of anxiety disorders]. Lehner M, Wisłowska-Stanek A, Płaznik A. Psychiatr Pol. 2009 Nov-Dec;43(6):639-53.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20209877
The Use of a Synthetic Cannabinoid in the Management of Treatment‐Resistant Nightmares in Posttraumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD). Fraser GA. CNS Neurosci Ther. 2009 Winter;15(1):84-8.
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1755-5949.2008.00071.x/pdf
Public policy
Harm reduction-the cannabis paradox. Melamede R. Harm Reduct J. 2005 Sep 22;2:17.
http://www.harmreductionjournal.com/content/pdf/1477-7517-2-17.pdf
Seizures
See sections 3.7 of Cannabinoids in medicine: A review of their therapeutic potential. Amar MB. Journal of Ethnopharmacology 105 (2006) 1–25.
http://www.ucla.edu.ve/dmedicin/departamentos/fisiologia/cannabinoidsRevPatologias.pdf
“Marijuana and Neurological Disorders” in Marijuana As Medicine? – The Science Behind the Controversy. Mack A and Joy J. National Academy of Science. National Academy Press, Washington DC 2000.
http://books.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=9586&page=115
I see no mention in 1 Thessalonians 5:7-9 of exceptions, so how exactly does the Church justify ANY use of alcohol?LT has been implying this position for the last week but he finally spelled it all out. He’s a puritan extremist. It all makes sense now.
LT has been implying this position for the last week but he finally spelled it all out. He’s a puritan extremist. It all makes sense now.I'd argue that it is his disordered pea brain that refuses to comprehend the difference between "drunk" and "partaking."
I am purposely discussing specifically MJ use among young girls and boys, and the 32 points, real world experience with MJ use. The writer above is once again just attempting an end run by changing the discussion to two adults with no children taking one or two tokes in their home, totally hidden from everybody and never revealed to anyone. It is a scandal and harmful to the family for parents to smoke marijuana openly in the world:The writer is doing an end run around Fr. Scotts article. Parents smoking MJ around their children and any Catholics, is a scandal. We are not talking about two adults with no children taking one or two toking in their home totally hidden from everybody and never reveled to anyone.You need a new thread!!
The writer is also ignoring my question, to show me from tradition that it is OK to smoke marijuana around everybody. And I don't want to hear the end run that it is the same as alcohol. One can say the same about Cocaine. It is not a scandal, or a harm to one's family to have a beer at dinner. There are no 32 points against drinking a beer. It is not a scandal to know that one's bishop drank a cup of wine.
The writer has mountains to overcome, telling us that we do not know what we are talking about won't cut it. He is up against 99% of trad Catholic parents.The burden of proof is on the writer above.
I’m sure LT also thinks the following are sinful: cigarettes, gambling, coca-cola, video games and kite flying.He did already try to condemn such lesser hobbies a while back:
He did already try to condemn such lesser hobbies a while back:That second one from LT:
https://www.cathinfo.com/the-catholic-bunker/do-we-spend-too-much-time-on-leisure/msg801903/#msg801903 (https://www.cathinfo.com/the-catholic-bunker/do-we-spend-too-much-time-on-leisure/msg801903/#msg801903)
https://www.cathinfo.com/the-catholic-bunker/do-we-spend-too-much-time-on-leisure/msg801959/#msg801959 (https://www.cathinfo.com/the-catholic-bunker/do-we-spend-too-much-time-on-leisure/msg801959/#msg801959)
When compared to learning piano, being outdoors, learning French or Italian, learning bookkeeping, carpentry, learning to repair things around the house, learning a new business and so on, posting nothings and arguing with people about nothing of importance here on CI is a waste of time.
assumption on top of assumption, on top of assumption, on top of assumption...... They assume … They assume … They assume … They assume …assumption on top of assumption, on top of assumption, on top of assumption......Nope. Not assumptions, but based on medical research on MJ showing its safety and benefits. That research informs rational opinions on social use of MJ.
Important reviews
University of California Center for Medical Cannabis Research—2010 Report to the Legislature
http://www.cmcr.ucsd.edu/images/pdfs/CMCR_REPORT_FEB17.pdf
Review on clinical studies with cannabis and cannabinoids 2005-2009. Hazecamp A and Grotenhermen F. Cannabinoids 2010;5(special issue):1-21.
www.cannabis-med.org/data/pdf/en_2010_01_special.pdf
Cannabinoids in medicine: A review of their therapeutic potential. Amar MB. Journal of Ethnopharmacology 105 (2006) 1–25.
http://www.ucla.edu.ve/dmedicin/departamentos/fisiologia/cannabinoidsRevPatologias.pdf
Emerging Clinical Applications for Cannabis and Cannabinoids: A Review of the Recent Scientific Literature, 2000 – 2010. Armentano P. NORML Foundation, Washington DC 2010.
http://norml.org/pdf_files/NORML_Clinical_Applications_for_Cannabis_and_Cannabinoids.pdf
Marijuana and Medicine: Assessing the Science Base. National Academy of Science Institute of Medicine, 1999
http://www.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=6376
popularized in: Marijuana As Medicine? – The Science Behind the Controversy. Mack A and Joy J. National Academy of Science. National Academy Press, Washington DC 2000.
http://books.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=9586&page=R1
AIDS/HIV
University of California Center for Medical Cannabis Research—2010 Report to the Legislature
http://www.cmcr.ucsd.edu/images/pdfs/CMCR_REPORT_FEB17.pdf
Human Immunodeficiency Virus (HIV)
http://www.norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=7485
“Marijuana and AIDS” in Marijuana As Medicine? – The Science Behind the Controversy. Mack A and Joy J. National Academy of Science. National Academy Press, Washington DC 2000.
http://books.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=9586&page=86
ALS (Amyotrophic Lateral Sclerosis, Lou Gehrig's Disease)
Amyotrophic Lateral Sclerosis (ALS)
http://www.norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=7004
Alzheimer's Disease
Alzheimer's Disease
http://norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=7003
Cachexia. Wasting syndrome
See sections 3.1 and 3.2 of Cannabinoids in medicine: A review of their therapeutic potential. Amar MB. Journal of Ethnopharmacology 105 (2006) 1–25.
http://www.ucla.edu.ve/dmedicin/departamentos/fisiologia/cannabinoidsRevPatologias.pdf
Cancer
Gliomas/Cancer
http://www.norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=7008
“Marijuana and Cancer” in Marijuana As Medicine? – The Science Behind the Controversy. Mack A and Joy J. National Academy of Science. National Academy Press, Washington DC 2000.
http://books.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=9586&page=95
Cannabis and Cannabinoids (PDQ®). National Cancer Institute. 2011.
http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/pdq/cam/cannabis/healthprofessional/page1
Cardiovascular disease
The Potential for Clinical Use of Cannabinoids in Treatment
of Cardiovascular Diseases. Durst R and Lotan C. Cardiovascular Therapeutics 2011 Feb;29(1):17-22. doi: 10.1111/j.1755-5922.2010.00233.x. Epub 2010 Oct 14.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20946323
The emerging role of the endocannabinoid system in cardiovascular disease. Pacher P, Steffens S. Semin Immunopathol. 2009 Jun;31(1):63-77. Epub 2009 Apr 9.
http://www.springerlink.com/content/a04103g160h16450/fulltext.pdf
Cannabinoid receptors in atherosclerosis. Steffens S, Mach F. Curr Opin Lipidol. 2006 Oct;17(5):519-26.
http://journals.lww.com/co-lipidology/Abstract/2006/10000/Cannabinoid_receptors_in_atherosclerosis.5.aspx
Cannabinoid receptors in acute and chronic complications of atherosclerosis. Mach F, Montecucco F, Steffens S. Br J Pharmacol. 2008 January; 153(2): 290–298.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2219535/pdf/0707517a.pdf
Endocannabinoids and cannabinoid receptors in ischaemia-reperfusion injury and preconditioning. Pacher P, Haskó G. Br J Pharmacol. 2008 Jan;153(2):252-62. Epub 2007 Nov 19.
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1038/sj.bjp.0707582/pdf
The role of the endocannabinoid system in atherosclerosis. Mach F, Steffens S. J Neuroendocrinol. 2008 May;20 Suppl 1:53-7.
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1365-2826.2008.01685.x/pdf
Cardiovascular Effects of Cannabis | Medicinal Cannabis Information. Independent Drug Monitoring Unit, United Kingdom, undated
http://www.idmu.co.uk/canncardio.htm
Crohns Disease
Gastrointestinal Disorders
http://www.norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=7009
Endocannabinoid sysytem
The Endocannabinoid System as an Emerging Target of Pharmacotherapy. National Institute of Health: Pacher P, Bátkai S, Kunos G. Pharmacol Rev. 2006 Sep;58(3):389-462.
http://pharmrev.aspetjournals.org/content/58/3/389.full.pdf
Endocrine disease, diabetes
The emerging role of the endocannabinoid system in endocrine regulation and energy balance. Pagotto U, Marsicano G, Cota D, Lutz B, Pasquali R. Endocr Rev. 2006 Feb;27(1):73-100. Epub 2005 Nov 23.
http://fk.uwks.ac.id/elib/Arsip/Departemen/Biokimia/The%20Emerging%20Role%20of%20the%20Endocannabinoid%20System.pdf
Fibromyalgia
Nabilone for the Treatment of Pain in Fibromyalgia. Skrabek RQ, Galimova L, Ethans K, Perry D. J Pain. 2008 Feb;9(2):164-73. Epub 2007 Nov 5.
http://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:9gDyCVhqJSMJ:files.meetup.com/404848/2008_Nabilone-for-the-Treatment-of-Pain-in-Fibromyalgia.pdf+Nabilone+for+the+Treatment+of+Pain+in+Fibromyalgia&hl=en&gl=us&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEESjFGavzxEJkBjsOj_YyWPHuo5PRG034PLna8X6n3sXGT696PVuaEH15HF07xVpfV10wLPfon8-nZoD0RcJfU6LInnuqHOGpKDECN4oQ6OWBgGgwXWckH2QB31FTn1BZn0KX9U7A&sig=AHIEtbQlDN8uMzxJIm6KKL0POTJdhmbsvg
Delta-9-THC based monotherapy in fibromyalgia patients on experimentally induced pain, axon reflex flare, and pain relief. Schley M, Legler A, Skopp G, Schmelz M, Konrad C, Rukwied R. Curr Med Res Opin. 2006 Jul;22(7):1269-76.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16834825
Fibromyalgia
http://norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=7007
Glaucoma
American Glaucoma Society position statement: Marijuana and the treatment of glaucoma. American Glaucoma Society, Prepared by Henry Jampel, M.D., M.H.S., August 10, 2009
http://www.americanglaucomasociety.net/associations/5224/files/Marijuana%20and%20Glaucoma%20august%2030_BOD%20Approved%2010.23.09.pdf
Marijuana and Glaucoma” in Marijuana As Medicine? – The Science Behind the Controversy. Mack A and Joy J. National Academy of Science. National Academy Press, Washington DC 2000.
http://books.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=9586&page=124
Hepatitis C
Hepatitis C
http://www.norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=7010
Marijuana effects, drug levels, DUI
Marijuana effect and delta9-tetrahydrocannabinol plasma level. Chiang CWN and Barnett G. Clinical Pharmacology and Therapeutics 1984 Aug;36(2):234-8.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/6086207
Contact highs and urinary cannabinoids excretion after passive exposure to marijuana smoke. Cone EJ and Johnson RE. Clinical Pharmacology and Therapeutics 1986 Sep;40(3):247-56.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3017628
Do delta9-tetrahydrocannabinol concentrations indicate recent use in chronic cannabis users? Karschner EL, Schwilke EW, Lowe RH, Darwin WD, Pope HG, Herning R, Cadet JL, Huestis MA. Addiction. 2009 Dec;104(12):2041-8. Epub 2009 Oct 5.
http://www.clinchem.org/cgi/reprint/49/7/1114
Developing limits for driving under cannabis. Grotenhermen F, Leson G, Berghaus G, Drummer OH, Krüger HP, Longo M, Moskowitz H, Perrine B, Ramaekers JG, Smiley A, Tunbridge R. Addiction 2007 Dec;102(12):1910-7. Epub 2007 Oct 4.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17916224
Urinary cannabinoid detection times after controlled oral administration of delta9-tetrahydrocannabinol to humans. Gustafson RA, Levine B, Stout PR, Klette KL, George MP, Moolchan ET, Huestis MA. Clin Chem. 2003 Jul;49(7):1114-24.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12816908
Editorial: Practical Challenges to Positive Drug Tests for Marijuana. ElSohly MA. Clin Chem. 2003 Jul;49(7):1037-8.
http://www.clinchem.org/cgi/reprint/49/7/1037
Dose related risk of motor vehicle crashes after cannabis use. Ramaekers JG, Berghaus G, van Laar M, Drummer OH. Drug Alcohol Depend. 2004 Feb 7;73(2):109-19.
http://www.ukcia.org/research/DoseRelatedRiskOfCrashes.pdf
Tolerance and cross-tolerance to neurocognitive effects of THC and alcohol in heavy cannabis users. Ramaekers JG, Theunissen EL, de Brouwer M, Toennes SW, Moeller MR, Kauert G. Psychopharmacology (Berl). 2011 Mar;214(2):391-401. Epub 2010 Oct 30.
http://www.cannabistherapyinstitute.com/bills/dui/raemakers.etal.pdf
Cannabis and Driving: A Scientific and Rational Review. Armentano P. NORML Foundation, Washington DC 2010
http://norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=7459
Sex differences in the effects of marijuana on simulated driving performance. Anderson BM, Rizzo M, Block RI, Pearlson GD, O'Leary DS. J Psychoactive Drugs. 2010 Mar;42(1):19-30.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3033009/
Effects of THC on driving performance, physiological state and subjective feelings relative to alcohol. Ronen A, Gershon P, Drobiner H, Rabinovich A, Bar-Hamburger R, Mechoulam R, Cassuto Y, Shinar D. Accid Anal Prev. 2008 May;40(3):926-34. Epub 2007 Nov 26.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18460360
Muscle Spasms
Dystonia
http://www.norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=7006
“Marijuana and Muscle Spasticity” in Marijuana As Medicine? – The Science Behind the Controversy. Mack A and Joy J. National Academy of Science. National Academy Press, Washington DC 2000.
http://books.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=9586&page=106
Nausea
See sections 3.1 of Cannabinoids in medicine: A review of their therapeutic potential. Amar MB. Journal of Ethnopharmacology 105 (2006) 1–25.
http://www.ucla.edu.ve/dmedicin/departamentos/fisiologia/cannabinoidsRevPatologias.pdf
Pain
University of California Center for Medical Cannabis Research—2010 Report to the Legislature
http://www.cmcr.ucsd.edu/images/pdfs/CMCR_REPORT_FEB17.pdf
Chronic Pain
http://www.norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=7786
“Marijuana and Pain” in Marijuana As Medicine? – The Science Behind the Controversy. Mack A and Joy J. National Academy of Science. National Academy Press, Washington DC 2000.
http://books.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=9586&page=77#
Post traumatic Stress Disorder
Cannabinoid receptor activation in the basolateral amygdala blocks the effects of stress on the conditioning and extinction of inhibitory avoidance. Ganon-Elazar E, Akirav I. J Neurosci. 2009 Sep 9;29(36):11078-88.
http://www.jneurosci.org/content/29/36/11078.full.pdf+html
[Extinction of emotional response as a novel approach of pharmacotherapy of anxiety disorders]. Lehner M, Wisłowska-Stanek A, Płaznik A. Psychiatr Pol. 2009 Nov-Dec;43(6):639-53.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20209877
The Use of a Synthetic Cannabinoid in the Management of Treatment‐Resistant Nightmares in Posttraumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD). Fraser GA. CNS Neurosci Ther. 2009 Winter;15(1):84-8.
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1755-5949.2008.00071.x/pdf
Public policy
Harm reduction-the cannabis paradox. Melamede R. Harm Reduct J. 2005 Sep 22;2:17.
http://www.harmreductionjournal.com/content/pdf/1477-7517-2-17.pdf
Seizures
See sections 3.7 of Cannabinoids in medicine: A review of their therapeutic potential. Amar MB. Journal of Ethnopharmacology 105 (2006) 1–25.
http://www.ucla.edu.ve/dmedicin/departamentos/fisiologia/cannabinoidsRevPatologias.pdf
“Marijuana and Neurological Disorders” in Marijuana As Medicine? – The Science Behind the Controversy. Mack A and Joy J. National Academy of Science. National Academy Press, Washington DC 2000.
http://books.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=9586&page=115
I’m sure LT also thinks the following are sinful: cigarettes, gambling, coca-cola, video games and kite flying.Yes. Novus Ordo churches has Bingo now on Fridays during Lent. Most of people who attend this Bingo are foul mouthed lazy people who have gambling addictions who are on tax payer funded welfare. Then the church is most likely serving meatball sandwiches or meat to sell. More people at bingo than Eucharistic adoration. Den of thieves. Cigarettes are a sin because it is addictive and many spend $30 a day instead of paying their bills. Coca Cola for the longest Is a processed food that causing health problems and obesity which is sin. Video game addiction is a problem because it contains violence, graphic sex scenes. It too is often an addiction that leads to sin of sloth. It is not being puritanical. What is the state of the Catholic Church today? There is a Pope who worships a false Idol. Bingo, cigarettes, an altars today Coca Cola, food addiction, Video games instead of praying etc. are all distractions and are false idols
Important reviews
University of California Center for Medical Cannabis Research—2010 Report to the Legislature
http://www.cmcr.ucsd.edu/images/pdfs/CMCR_REPORT_FEB17.pdf
Review on clinical studies with cannabis and cannabinoids 2005-2009. Hazecamp A and Grotenhermen F. Cannabinoids 2010;5(special issue):1-21.
www.cannabis-med.org/data/pdf/en_2010_01_special.pdf
Cannabinoids in medicine: A review of their therapeutic potential. Amar MB. Journal of Ethnopharmacology 105 (2006) 1–25.
http://www.ucla.edu.ve/dmedicin/departamentos/fisiologia/cannabinoidsRevPatologias.pdf
Emerging Clinical Applications for Cannabis and Cannabinoids: A Review of the Recent Scientific Literature, 2000 – 2010. Armentano P. NORML Foundation, Washington DC 2010.
http://norml.org/pdf_files/NORML_Clinical_Applications_for_Cannabis_and_Cannabinoids.pdf
Marijuana and Medicine: Assessing the Science Base. National Academy of Science Institute of Medicine, 1999
http://www.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=6376
popularized in: Marijuana As Medicine? – The Science Behind the Controversy. Mack A and Joy J. National Academy of Science. National Academy Press, Washington DC 2000.
http://books.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=9586&page=R1
AIDS/HIV
University of California Center for Medical Cannabis Research—2010 Report to the Legislature
http://www.cmcr.ucsd.edu/images/pdfs/CMCR_REPORT_FEB17.pdf
Human Immunodeficiency Virus (HIV)
http://www.norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=7485
“Marijuana and AIDS” in Marijuana As Medicine? – The Science Behind the Controversy. Mack A and Joy J. National Academy of Science. National Academy Press, Washington DC 2000.
http://books.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=9586&page=86
ALS (Amyotrophic Lateral Sclerosis, Lou Gehrig's Disease)
Amyotrophic Lateral Sclerosis (ALS)
http://www.norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=7004
Alzheimer's Disease
Alzheimer's Disease
http://norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=7003
Cachexia. Wasting syndrome
See sections 3.1 and 3.2 of Cannabinoids in medicine: A review of their therapeutic potential. Amar MB. Journal of Ethnopharmacology 105 (2006) 1–25.
http://www.ucla.edu.ve/dmedicin/departamentos/fisiologia/cannabinoidsRevPatologias.pdf
Cancer
Gliomas/Cancer
http://www.norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=7008
“Marijuana and Cancer” in Marijuana As Medicine? – The Science Behind the Controversy. Mack A and Joy J. National Academy of Science. National Academy Press, Washington DC 2000.
http://books.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=9586&page=95
Cannabis and Cannabinoids (PDQ®). National Cancer Institute. 2011.
http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/pdq/cam/cannabis/healthprofessional/page1
Cardiovascular disease
The Potential for Clinical Use of Cannabinoids in Treatment
of Cardiovascular Diseases. Durst R and Lotan C. Cardiovascular Therapeutics 2011 Feb;29(1):17-22. doi: 10.1111/j.1755-5922.2010.00233.x. Epub 2010 Oct 14.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20946323
The emerging role of the endocannabinoid system in cardiovascular disease. Pacher P, Steffens S. Semin Immunopathol. 2009 Jun;31(1):63-77. Epub 2009 Apr 9.
http://www.springerlink.com/content/a04103g160h16450/fulltext.pdf
Cannabinoid receptors in atherosclerosis. Steffens S, Mach F. Curr Opin Lipidol. 2006 Oct;17(5):519-26.
http://journals.lww.com/co-lipidology/Abstract/2006/10000/Cannabinoid_receptors_in_atherosclerosis.5.aspx
Cannabinoid receptors in acute and chronic complications of atherosclerosis. Mach F, Montecucco F, Steffens S. Br J Pharmacol. 2008 January; 153(2): 290–298.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2219535/pdf/0707517a.pdf
Endocannabinoids and cannabinoid receptors in ischaemia-reperfusion injury and preconditioning. Pacher P, Haskó G. Br J Pharmacol. 2008 Jan;153(2):252-62. Epub 2007 Nov 19.
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1038/sj.bjp.0707582/pdf
The role of the endocannabinoid system in atherosclerosis. Mach F, Steffens S. J Neuroendocrinol. 2008 May;20 Suppl 1:53-7.
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1365-2826.2008.01685.x/pdf
Cardiovascular Effects of Cannabis | Medicinal Cannabis Information. Independent Drug Monitoring Unit, United Kingdom, undated
http://www.idmu.co.uk/canncardio.htm
Crohns Disease
Gastrointestinal Disorders
http://www.norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=7009
Endocannabinoid sysytem
The Endocannabinoid System as an Emerging Target of Pharmacotherapy. National Institute of Health: Pacher P, Bátkai S, Kunos G. Pharmacol Rev. 2006 Sep;58(3):389-462.
http://pharmrev.aspetjournals.org/content/58/3/389.full.pdf
Endocrine disease, diabetes
The emerging role of the endocannabinoid system in endocrine regulation and energy balance. Pagotto U, Marsicano G, Cota D, Lutz B, Pasquali R. Endocr Rev. 2006 Feb;27(1):73-100. Epub 2005 Nov 23.
http://fk.uwks.ac.id/elib/Arsip/Departemen/Biokimia/The%20Emerging%20Role%20of%20the%20Endocannabinoid%20System.pdf
Fibromyalgia
Nabilone for the Treatment of Pain in Fibromyalgia. Skrabek RQ, Galimova L, Ethans K, Perry D. J Pain. 2008 Feb;9(2):164-73. Epub 2007 Nov 5.
http://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:9gDyCVhqJSMJ:files.meetup.com/404848/2008_Nabilone-for-the-Treatment-of-Pain-in-Fibromyalgia.pdf+Nabilone+for+the+Treatment+of+Pain+in+Fibromyalgia&hl=en&gl=us&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEESjFGavzxEJkBjsOj_YyWPHuo5PRG034PLna8X6n3sXGT696PVuaEH15HF07xVpfV10wLPfon8-nZoD0RcJfU6LInnuqHOGpKDECN4oQ6OWBgGgwXWckH2QB31FTn1BZn0KX9U7A&sig=AHIEtbQlDN8uMzxJIm6KKL0POTJdhmbsvg
Delta-9-THC based monotherapy in fibromyalgia patients on experimentally induced pain, axon reflex flare, and pain relief. Schley M, Legler A, Skopp G, Schmelz M, Konrad C, Rukwied R. Curr Med Res Opin. 2006 Jul;22(7):1269-76.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16834825
Fibromyalgia
http://norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=7007
Glaucoma
American Glaucoma Society position statement: Marijuana and the treatment of glaucoma. American Glaucoma Society, Prepared by Henry Jampel, M.D., M.H.S., August 10, 2009
http://www.americanglaucomasociety.net/associations/5224/files/Marijuana%20and%20Glaucoma%20august%2030_BOD%20Approved%2010.23.09.pdf
Marijuana and Glaucoma” in Marijuana As Medicine? – The Science Behind the Controversy. Mack A and Joy J. National Academy of Science. National Academy Press, Washington DC 2000.
http://books.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=9586&page=124
Hepatitis C
Hepatitis C
http://www.norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=7010
Marijuana effects, drug levels, DUI
Marijuana effect and delta9-tetrahydrocannabinol plasma level. Chiang CWN and Barnett G. Clinical Pharmacology and Therapeutics 1984 Aug;36(2):234-8.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/6086207
Contact highs and urinary cannabinoids excretion after passive exposure to marijuana smoke. Cone EJ and Johnson RE. Clinical Pharmacology and Therapeutics 1986 Sep;40(3):247-56.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3017628
Do delta9-tetrahydrocannabinol concentrations indicate recent use in chronic cannabis users? Karschner EL, Schwilke EW, Lowe RH, Darwin WD, Pope HG, Herning R, Cadet JL, Huestis MA. Addiction. 2009 Dec;104(12):2041-8. Epub 2009 Oct 5.
http://www.clinchem.org/cgi/reprint/49/7/1114
Developing limits for driving under cannabis. Grotenhermen F, Leson G, Berghaus G, Drummer OH, Krüger HP, Longo M, Moskowitz H, Perrine B, Ramaekers JG, Smiley A, Tunbridge R. Addiction 2007 Dec;102(12):1910-7. Epub 2007 Oct 4.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17916224
Urinary cannabinoid detection times after controlled oral administration of delta9-tetrahydrocannabinol to humans. Gustafson RA, Levine B, Stout PR, Klette KL, George MP, Moolchan ET, Huestis MA. Clin Chem. 2003 Jul;49(7):1114-24.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12816908
Editorial: Practical Challenges to Positive Drug Tests for Marijuana. ElSohly MA. Clin Chem. 2003 Jul;49(7):1037-8.
http://www.clinchem.org/cgi/reprint/49/7/1037
Dose related risk of motor vehicle crashes after cannabis use. Ramaekers JG, Berghaus G, van Laar M, Drummer OH. Drug Alcohol Depend. 2004 Feb 7;73(2):109-19.
http://www.ukcia.org/research/DoseRelatedRiskOfCrashes.pdf
Tolerance and cross-tolerance to neurocognitive effects of THC and alcohol in heavy cannabis users. Ramaekers JG, Theunissen EL, de Brouwer M, Toennes SW, Moeller MR, Kauert G. Psychopharmacology (Berl). 2011 Mar;214(2):391-401. Epub 2010 Oct 30.
http://www.cannabistherapyinstitute.com/bills/dui/raemakers.etal.pdf
Cannabis and Driving: A Scientific and Rational Review. Armentano P. NORML Foundation, Washington DC 2010
http://norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=7459
Sex differences in the effects of marijuana on simulated driving performance. Anderson BM, Rizzo M, Block RI, Pearlson GD, O'Leary DS. J Psychoactive Drugs. 2010 Mar;42(1):19-30.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3033009/
Effects of THC on driving performance, physiological state and subjective feelings relative to alcohol. Ronen A, Gershon P, Drobiner H, Rabinovich A, Bar-Hamburger R, Mechoulam R, Cassuto Y, Shinar D. Accid Anal Prev. 2008 May;40(3):926-34. Epub 2007 Nov 26.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18460360
Muscle Spasms
Dystonia
http://www.norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=7006
“Marijuana and Muscle Spasticity” in Marijuana As Medicine? – The Science Behind the Controversy. Mack A and Joy J. National Academy of Science. National Academy Press, Washington DC 2000.
http://books.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=9586&page=106
Nausea
See sections 3.1 of Cannabinoids in medicine: A review of their therapeutic potential. Amar MB. Journal of Ethnopharmacology 105 (2006) 1–25.
http://www.ucla.edu.ve/dmedicin/departamentos/fisiologia/cannabinoidsRevPatologias.pdf
Pain
University of California Center for Medical Cannabis Research—2010 Report to the Legislature
http://www.cmcr.ucsd.edu/images/pdfs/CMCR_REPORT_FEB17.pdf
Chronic Pain
http://www.norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=7786
“Marijuana and Pain” in Marijuana As Medicine? – The Science Behind the Controversy. Mack A and Joy J. National Academy of Science. National Academy Press, Washington DC 2000.
http://books.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=9586&page=77#
Post traumatic Stress Disorder
Cannabinoid receptor activation in the basolateral amygdala blocks the effects of stress on the conditioning and extinction of inhibitory avoidance. Ganon-Elazar E, Akirav I. J Neurosci. 2009 Sep 9;29(36):11078-88.
http://www.jneurosci.org/content/29/36/11078.full.pdf+html
[Extinction of emotional response as a novel approach of pharmacotherapy of anxiety disorders]. Lehner M, Wisłowska-Stanek A, Płaznik A. Psychiatr Pol. 2009 Nov-Dec;43(6):639-53.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20209877
The Use of a Synthetic Cannabinoid in the Management of Treatment‐Resistant Nightmares in Posttraumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD). Fraser GA. CNS Neurosci Ther. 2009 Winter;15(1):84-8.
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1755-5949.2008.00071.x/pdf
Public policy
Harm reduction-the cannabis paradox. Melamede R. Harm Reduct J. 2005 Sep 22;2:17.
http://www.harmreductionjournal.com/content/pdf/1477-7517-2-17.pdf
Seizures
See sections 3.7 of Cannabinoids in medicine: A review of their therapeutic potential. Amar MB. Journal of Ethnopharmacology 105 (2006) 1–25.
http://www.ucla.edu.ve/dmedicin/departamentos/fisiologia/cannabinoidsRevPatologias.pdf
“Marijuana and Neurological Disorders” in Marijuana As Medicine? – The Science Behind the Controversy. Mack A and Joy J. National Academy of Science. National Academy Press, Washington DC 2000.
http://books.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=9586&page=115
Yes. Novus Ordo churches has Bingo now on Fridays during Lent. Most of people who attend this Bingo are foul mouthed lazy people who have gambling addictions who are on tax payer funded welfare. Then the church is most likely serving meatball sandwiches or meat to sell. More people at bingo than Eucharistic adoration. Den of thieves. Cigarettes are a sin because it is addictive and many spend $30 a day instead of paying their bills. Coca Cola for the longest Is a processed food that causing health problems and obesity which is sin. Video game addiction is a problem because it contains violence, graphic sex scenes. It too is often an addiction that leads to sin of sloth. It is not being puritanical. What is the state of the Catholic Church today? There is a Pope who worships a false Idol. Bingo, cigarettes, an altars today Coca Cola, food addiction, Video games instead of praying etc. are all distractions and are false idolsmuch of what you wrote is presumptuous at best.
This was an excellent post by Tradman:
Recreational use of Marijuana
1. Opens the soul to demonic influence.
2. Weakens moral judgement
3. Promotes immorality
4. Fosters narcissism
5. Leads to moral pessimism
6. Is socially and morally divisive
7. Promotes laziness toward Catholic works
8. Promotes disobedience to priests and the Church
9. Promotes disobedience to secular authority
10. Is a safety issue for children who's parents use.
11. Causes neglect, and abuse of children by parents who use
12. Dulls sense of guilt and is counter to Sacrament of Confession
13. Profanes the reception of the Eucharist
14. Is falsely equated with moderate use of alcohol
15. Often leads to use of other drugs
16. Promotes secrecy and leads to animosity
17. Promotes other crime
18. Often destroys relationships
19. Impedes the desire to attain heaven
20. Leads to a liberal and worldly mindset
21. Retards emotions
22. Wastes opportunities for good
23 Impedes Christ's mandate to evangelize
24 Denies Scripture's command to stay sober
25 Denies the modest conduct of Our Lady
26 Leads to the unforgivable sin of despair
27 Is often its own object of worship
28. Causes certain kinds of brain damage
29. Often leads to other addictions
30. Inhibits holiness
31. Is well founded in paganism, abhorred in Christendom
32. Is proven by all the above to be a "sacrament" of the diabolic
This list is by no means exhaustive, barely even scratches the surface. After it exceeded 21, I figured this was enough to get the picture. If anyone disagrees, present your argument. Whatever you do, don't smoke weed, rather, do penance for the salvation of souls.
This was an excellent post by Tradman:
Recreational use of Marijuana
Most of this is utter BS. Same things could be said about alcohol. None of it addresses whether it's a sin. Don't smoke pot and mind your own business.One can also say "smoke pot and mind your own business" to the defenders of recreational use of marijuana, but that isn't going to stop them from advertising here. So, the 99% of Trads who are against recreational use of MJ are going to come forward, as Viva has.
The endocannabinoid system—whazzat?
Your body makes, uses, and needs marijuana-like chemicals called “endocannabinoids.” Your physical and mental health require these endocannabinoids. Members of the Animal Kingdom, from sponges to men, have nerve and other organ receptors that respond to endocannabinoids. A basic understanding of the nervous system illustrates how these endocannabinoids work.
The basics
The nervous system works using the movement of chemicals and electricity. In its most simplified fashion, electrochemical activity usually proceeds along the “wires” (axons) of nerve cells (“neurons”) to the tip where special chemicals (“neurotransmitters”) are released into a space between neighboring neurons. The space is called a “synapse”. The neurotransmitter is released from a “presynaptic” neuron, and then diffuses across the synapse to bind to receptors in the neighboring “postsynaptic” neuron.
Neurotransmitters fit specific receptors to activate (or block) those receptors, sort of like a key in a lock. Our own bodies make endocannabinoids that fit our endocannabinoid receptors. Marijuana works because many of marijuana’s chemicals are like “keys” that fit and activate our different endocannabinoid “locks.” Marijuana’s chemicals are “phytocannabinoids,” plant cannabinoids.
(https://www.essentiapura.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/05/endoneuron.jpg)
Endocannabinoids are unique in a few respects. Most neurotransmitters are synthesized in advance by the presynaptic neurons to be stored in tiny packets (“vesicles”) in the cells to be available when needed. Endocannabinoids are not synthesized in advance and stored, but are synthesized on demand for immediate release. Also, it is not the presynaptic neurons but the postsynaptic neurons that synthesize the endocannabinoids. This means that the endocannabinoids are released into the synapse and then diffuse backwards to affect the presynaptic neuron. In a sense, the chemicals go against the flow of “electricity” to modulate the flow of “electricity,” hence endocannabinoids are sometimes classed as “neuromodulators.” Similar chemical interactions also occur in the organs outside of the nervous system.
The chemicals
Endocannabinoids are fats (“lipids”), so are able to diffuse quickly through lipid-laden tissues and membranes. In 1992 Anandamide, also known as N-arachidonylethanolamine or “AEA”, was the first endocannabinoid identified and was named from the Sanskrit word “ananda” (“bliss”) joined with “amide,” the name of its general chemical class. So far, other identified endocannabinoids include 2-arachidonylyglycerol (“2-AG”), 2-arachidonyl glyceryl ether (noladin ether), O-arachidonyl ethanolamine (“OAE” or virodhamine), and N-arachidonyl dopamine (NADA). While “your” government tells you there is no medical use for marijuana, Big Pharma has been developing proprietary variations of endocannabinoids and marijuana’s chemicals to sell you.
The receptor subtypes
In man the endocannabinoids bind to endocannabinoid receptors of different subtypes distributed throughout our many organ systems. The best characterized of these receptor subtypes are the CB1 and CB2 receptors, however there are likely at least three additional subtypes that are temporarily and not very cleverly named “non-CB1/non-CB2” receptors.
CB1 receptors
CB1 receptors are most widely found in the brain, but are not found in the brainstem, the medulla, where our important respiratory and heart control centers are located. It is thought that the absence of cannabinoids receptors in the brainstem accounts for the enormous safety of marijuana. Cannabinoids, unlike opiates, cannot depress the brainstem’s control centers of respiratory and heart function. CB1 receptors are not limited to the brain, but are also widely distributed in the pituitary, thyroid, adrenals, liver, lung, kidney, gut, pain receptors, and even our reproductive systems. Endocannabinoids are suspected to play a role in regulating the implantation of newly conceived babies. There appears to be an optimum level of endocannabinoids for fertility. If levels are too high or too low the baby will not implant properly or grow in the mother’s womb.
A strain of laboratory mice without CB1 receptors, known as “CB1 knockout mice,” suffer from severe memory problems and die early from stroke and heart attack. These observations in mice correlate with research in humans showing the importance of cannabinoids in modulating memory, cardiovascular function, and nerve-protecting effects.
It is well known that cannabis affects appetite, gives you “the munchies,” and also makes you happy. Research aimed at the role of cannabis in appetite led to the development of very potent appetite suppressants. A drug that blocks CB1 receptors, Rimonabant, was a very effective and widely prescribed appetite suppressant in Europe. Despite its effectiveness in dieting, Rimonabant was pulled from the market. Why? Big Pharma’s drug so completely blocked patients’ natural endocannabinoids that patients were deprived of not only their craving for food, but also deprived of their mental health. Because Rimonabant blocked the mood stabilizing effects of natural endocannabinoids, Rimonabant users were committing ѕυιcιdє in significant numbers.
What do we learn from these observations? Endocannabinoids maintain our physical health and mental stability. Yes, Divine Providence at work—happy minds and healthy bodies require marijuana-like chemicals!
CB2 receptors
CB2 receptors are also widely distributed, most notably throughout the immune system (T-cells, B-cells, macrophages, monocytes, etc.) and hematopoietic (blood-making) system of the spleen, liver, tonsils, thymus, and bone marrow. CB2 receptors are found in the brain, but unlike CB1 receptors that are mostly observed on neurons, the nerve cells, CB2 receptors are found primarily on microglia, the support and immune cells of the brain and spinal cord. CB2 receptors are also prevalent in the gastrointestinal tract and bone. Stimulation of CB2 receptors by endocannabinoids and by marijuana’s phytocannabinoids, especially cannabidiol (“CBD”), appears to down-regulate both the immune system and pain receptors. Endocannabinoids also help to maintain bone mass, preventing osteoporosis.
It is likely that such down-regulated CB2 receptor activity in pain receptors, the immune system, and the gut explains the observed effectiveness of marijuana in reducing inflammation and pain, especially in inflammatory bowel diseases like Crohn’s Disease and ulcerative colitis, and in neuropathic pain, pain due to disorders of pain receptors. Effects on microglial cells may explain not just the palliative (symptom reduction) effects of marijuana, but also the curative effects observed by some researchers in Alzheimer’s Disease, multiple sclerosis, and a particularly aggressive type of brain cancer, glioblastoma multiforme. Researchers have observed that cannabinoids reduce the hallmark amyloid deposition and neurofibrillatory tangles of Alzheimer’s Disease, the demyelination of multiple sclerosis, and numerous types of cancers.
Future developments
As the term “non-CB1/non-CB2 receptors” implies, there are a variety of other receptors that remain to be characterized and their roles elucidated. And so there are…
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Although this is off topic, it seems there are contradictory views for many reasons:
Recreational use of Marijuana1. Opens the soul to demonic influence.
2. Weakens moral judgement
3. Promotes immorality
4. Fosters narcissism
5. Leads to moral pessimism
6. Is socially and morally divisive
7. Promotes laziness toward Catholic works
8. Promotes disobedience to priests and the Church
9. Promotes disobedience to secular authority
10. Is a safety issue for children who's parents use.
11. Causes neglect, and abuse of children by parents who use
12. Dulls sense of guilt and is counter to Sacrament of Confession
13. Profanes the reception of the Eucharist
14. Is falsely equated with moderate use of alcohol
15. Often leads to use of other drugs
16. Promotes secrecy and leads to animosity
17. Promotes other crime
18. Often destroys relationships
19. Impedes the desire to attain heaven
20. Leads to a liberal and worldly mindset
21. Retards emotions
22. Wastes opportunities for good
23 Impedes Christ's mandate to evangelize
24 Denies Scripture's command to stay sober
25 Denies the modest conduct of Our Lady
26 Leads to the unforgivable sin of despair
27 Is often its own object of worship
28. Causes certain kinds of brain damage
29. Often leads to other addictions
30. Inhibits holiness
31. Is well founded in paganism, abhorred in Christendom
32. Is proven by all the above to be a "sacrament" of the diabolic
This list is by no means exhaustive, barely even scratches the surface. After it exceeded 21, I figured this was enough to get the picture. If anyone disagrees, present your argument. Whatever you do, don't smoke weed, rather, do penance for the salvation of souls.
Are you growing it yourself or are you buying from a drug dealer who sells to children or sex traffic young girls??Have you stopped abusing your children?
The endocannabinoid system—whazzat?
Your body makes, uses, and needs marijuana-like chemicals called “endocannabinoids.” Your physical and mental health require these endocannabinoids. Members of the Animal Kingdom, from sponges to men, have nerve and other organ receptors that respond to endocannabinoids. A basic understanding of the nervous system illustrates how these endocannabinoids work.
The basics
The nervous system works using the movement of chemicals and electricity. In its most simplified fashion, electrochemical activity usually proceeds along the “wires” (axons) of nerve cells (“neurons”) to the tip where special chemicals (“neurotransmitters”) are released into a space between neighboring neurons. The space is called a “synapse”. The neurotransmitter is released from a “presynaptic” neuron, and then diffuses across the synapse to bind to receptors in the neighboring “postsynaptic” neuron.
Neurotransmitters fit specific receptors to activate (or block) those receptors, sort of like a key in a lock. Our own bodies make endocannabinoids that fit our endocannabinoid receptors. Marijuana works because many of marijuana’s chemicals are like “keys” that fit and activate our different endocannabinoid “locks.” Marijuana’s chemicals are “phytocannabinoids,” plant cannabinoids.
(https://www.essentiapura.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/05/endoneuron.jpg)
Endocannabinoids are unique in a few respects. Most neurotransmitters are synthesized in advance by the presynaptic neurons to be stored in tiny packets (“vesicles”) in the cells to be available when needed. Endocannabinoids are not synthesized in advance and stored, but are synthesized on demand for immediate release. Also, it is not the presynaptic neurons but the postsynaptic neurons that synthesize the endocannabinoids. This means that the endocannabinoids are released into the synapse and then diffuse backwards to affect the presynaptic neuron. In a sense, the chemicals go against the flow of “electricity” to modulate the flow of “electricity,” hence endocannabinoids are sometimes classed as “neuromodulators.” Similar chemical interactions also occur in the organs outside of the nervous system.
The chemicals
Endocannabinoids are fats (“lipids”), so are able to diffuse quickly through lipid-laden tissues and membranes. In 1992 Anandamide, also known as N-arachidonylethanolamine or “AEA”, was the first endocannabinoid identified and was named from the Sanskrit word “ananda” (“bliss”) joined with “amide,” the name of its general chemical class. So far, other identified endocannabinoids include 2-arachidonylyglycerol (“2-AG”), 2-arachidonyl glyceryl ether (noladin ether), O-arachidonyl ethanolamine (“OAE” or virodhamine), and N-arachidonyl dopamine (NADA). While “your” government tells you there is no medical use for marijuana, Big Pharma has been developing proprietary variations of endocannabinoids and marijuana’s chemicals to sell you.
The receptor subtypes
In man the endocannabinoids bind to endocannabinoid receptors of different subtypes distributed throughout our many organ systems. The best characterized of these receptor subtypes are the CB1 and CB2 receptors, however there are likely at least three additional subtypes that are temporarily and not very cleverly named “non-CB1/non-CB2” receptors.
CB1 receptors
CB1 receptors are most widely found in the brain, but are not found in the brainstem, the medulla, where our important respiratory and heart control centers are located. It is thought that the absence of cannabinoids receptors in the brainstem accounts for the enormous safety of marijuana. Cannabinoids, unlike opiates, cannot depress the brainstem’s control centers of respiratory and heart function. CB1 receptors are not limited to the brain, but are also widely distributed in the pituitary, thyroid, adrenals, liver, lung, kidney, gut, pain receptors, and even our reproductive systems. Endocannabinoids are suspected to play a role in regulating the implantation of newly conceived babies. There appears to be an optimum level of endocannabinoids for fertility. If levels are too high or too low the baby will not implant properly or grow in the mother’s womb.
A strain of laboratory mice without CB1 receptors, known as “CB1 knockout mice,” suffer from severe memory problems and die early from stroke and heart attack. These observations in mice correlate with research in humans showing the importance of cannabinoids in modulating memory, cardiovascular function, and nerve-protecting effects.
It is well known that cannabis affects appetite, gives you “the munchies,” and also makes you happy. Research aimed at the role of cannabis in appetite led to the development of very potent appetite suppressants. A drug that blocks CB1 receptors, Rimonabant, was a very effective and widely prescribed appetite suppressant in Europe. Despite its effectiveness in dieting, Rimonabant was pulled from the market. Why? Big Pharma’s drug so completely blocked patients’ natural endocannabinoids that patients were deprived of not only their craving for food, but also deprived of their mental health. Because Rimonabant blocked the mood stabilizing effects of natural endocannabinoids, Rimonabant users were committing ѕυιcιdє in significant numbers.
What do we learn from these observations? Endocannabinoids maintain our physical health and mental stability. Yes, Divine Providence at work—happy minds and healthy bodies require marijuana-like chemicals!
CB2 receptors
CB2 receptors are also widely distributed, most notably throughout the immune system (T-cells, B-cells, macrophages, monocytes, etc.) and hematopoietic (blood-making) system of the spleen, liver, tonsils, thymus, and bone marrow. CB2 receptors are found in the brain, but unlike CB1 receptors that are mostly observed on neurons, the nerve cells, CB2 receptors are found primarily on microglia, the support and immune cells of the brain and spinal cord. CB2 receptors are also prevalent in the gastrointestinal tract and bone. Stimulation of CB2 receptors by endocannabinoids and by marijuana’s phytocannabinoids, especially cannabidiol (“CBD”), appears to down-regulate both the immune system and pain receptors. Endocannabinoids also help to maintain bone mass, preventing osteoporosis.
It is likely that such down-regulated CB2 receptor activity in pain receptors, the immune system, and the gut explains the observed effectiveness of marijuana in reducing inflammation and pain, especially in inflammatory bowel diseases like Crohn’s Disease and ulcerative colitis, and in neuropathic pain, pain due to disorders of pain receptors. Effects on microglial cells may explain not just the palliative (symptom reduction) effects of marijuana, but also the curative effects observed by some researchers in Alzheimer’s Disease, multiple sclerosis, and a particularly aggressive type of brain cancer, glioblastoma multiforme. Researchers have observed that cannabinoids reduce the hallmark amyloid deposition and neurofibrillatory tangles of Alzheimer’s Disease, the demyelination of multiple sclerosis, and numerous types of cancers.
Future developments
As the term “non-CB1/non-CB2 receptors” implies, there are a variety of other receptors that remain to be characterized and their roles elucidated. And so there are…
(https://manoxblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/endocannabinoidSystemBanner-final-shrunk.jpg)
Phytocanabinoids•THC and other marijuana chemicals
Our bodies make a variety of marijuana-like chemicals called “endocannabinoids” that activate many brain, pain receptor, and other endocannabinoid receptors distributed throughout the tissues and organs of our bodies. As you would expect, the activation of these endocannabinoid receptors affects and regulates the chemical processes of our bodies—pain, inflammation, immune response, cardiovascular function, gastrointestinal function, etc.
How necessary to our health are these cannabinoid systems? Recall the European diet drug Rimonabant™. Rimonabant blocked endocannabinoid receptors and was a fabulously effective diet drug. Unfortunately, Rimonabant so effectively blocked cannabinoid receptors that it caused such severe depression that patients taking Rimonabant committed ѕυιcιdє and the drug had to be pulled from the market. Activation of cannabinoid receptors is essential to mental health and life itself.
THC and the other unique chemicals of the marijuana plant, cannabis, are categorized as “phytocannabinoids,” namely, “plant cannabinoids.” THC and other phytocannabinoids mimic our own endocannabinoids because, in three dimensions, the phytocannabinoids are shaped like our endocannabinoids. Because of their similar shape, phytocannabinoids activate our endocannabinoid receptors. It is no surprise then that marijuana’s chemicals cause a multiplicity of pleasant and beneficial effects, enhancing physical and mental health. Recall too that, quite unlike the medical and recreational drugs marijuana replaces, marijuana has never caused a fatality. In a 1997 New England Journal of Medicine article “Reefer Madness–The Federal Response to California's Medical-Marijuana Law” (N Engl J Med. 1997 Aug 7; 337(6): 435-9.), George Annas calculated that one would have to smoke “nearly 1500 pounds of marijuana within about fifteen minutes to induce a lethal response,” a death by asphyxiation, not drug toxicity. Unless a 1-ton bale of marijuana falls on your head, marijuana cannot kill you. You cannot say the same for aspirin, oxycodone, or even alcohol.
In 1964 THC was the first of marijuana’s unique chemicals to be isolated, but discovery of CBD and numerous other cannabinoids quickly followed. Marijuana has other unique cannabinoids, “terpenophenolic” chemicals that, besides giving marijuana strains their unique scent and flavor properties, are being discovered to have medical benefits. Let’s focus on the two most-studied cannabinoids, THC and CBD.
THC
THC, short for ∆9-tetrahydrocannabinol, read “delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol,” is marketed commercially as “dronabinol” or Marinol™ and is the most psychoactive of marijuana’s chemicals. THC partially activates CB1 and CB2 receptors about equally (see https://www.cathinfo.com/health-and-nutrition/the-endocannabinoid-systemwhazzat/ (https://www.cathinfo.com/health-and-nutrition/the-endocannabinoid-systemwhazzat/)). THC mimics the endocannabinoid anandamide and so eases pain and is thought to account for the neuroprotective effects of marijuana (e.g., the decreases in the damaging demyelination of multiple sclerosis, amyloid deposition and neurofibrillatory tangles of Alzheimer’s Disease, and even regression of the aggressive “GBM” brain cancer, glioblastoma multiforme).
THC and other cannabinoids dissolve poorly in water, but dissolve well in fats, glycerine, and alcohol. Their relative insolubility in water explains why the cannabinoids resin-making cells of marijuana, the “trichomes,” can be separated by cold-water extraction methods to make bubble hash without the trichomes’ active ingredients simply dissolving into a soupy tea in your hash bags. Because some of the characteristic chemicals of marijuana do dissolve in water, some compounds are washed away by the cold-water method and so connoisseurs do note a blandness of bubble hash in comparison with hash made by traditional methods. On the other hand, the non-traditional methods of extraction do provide the “full melt” characteristic that lends so well to vaporization. Qualified patients who wish to study these methods in depth should consult the 2010 second edition of Robert Connell Clarke’s book Hashish.
Too, THC’s excellent solubility in fats, glycerine, and alcohol explains why butter, oils, glycerine, and liquor make such effective extracts and tinctures.
CBD
CBD, short for “cannabidiol,” acts by influencing endocannabinoids, phytocannabinoids, and serotonin. While there is evidence that CBD directly activates CB1 or CB2 receptors, CBD’s indirect actions chemically competing with THC and other cannabinoids may also be important. CBD has also been shown to activate a certain subset of serotonin receptors, the 5-HT1A receptors (receptors related to commonly prescribed anti-depressants such as Prozac and Zoloft).
It is often, but inaccurately, said that CBD is not psychoactive. CBD does moderate the cerebral “high” of THC. Strains of marijuana high in CBD are less psychoactive than the percentage of THC would otherwise suggest, but CBD does display its own subtle psychoactivity. Paradoxically, some CBD research has shown that CBD can be sedating while other research shows CBD increases alertness. Interest in CBD, however, does not center on its subtle psychoactive properties. Instead CBD is receiving increasing attention for its remarkable anti-epilepsy, anti-inflammatory, anti-anxiety, anti-nausea, and even anti-cancer benefits. CBD inhibits cancer cell growth through a combination of actions (CB2 receptor, TrpV1 capsaicin-receptor, down-regulation of the ID1 oncogene, and induction of oxidative stress) that force “apoptosis,” forcing the programmed cell death from which cancers escape.
To reap these benefits of CBD, breeders have developed high-CBD strains of marijuana. Currently the Society of Cannabis Clinicians defines high-CBD strains as those with greater than 4% CBD by weight or greater than 2.5% CBD if CBD exceeds THC content. Typical medical grade cannabis may have only 0.5-1% CBD, but 14-18% THC. Among the better known high-CBD strains (percentages vary greatly depending on drying, curing and storage, but are reported here as tested by Steep Hill Lab, Oakland CA): Cannatonic 6% CBD/6% THC (Resin Seeds, Barcelona, Spain), Harlequin 8-9% CBD/5.5-6% THC (Cornerstone Research Collective, Los Angeles CA), Women’s Collective Stinky Purple 9.7% CBD/1.2% THC, and the champion, outdoor-grown “True Blueberry x OG Kush” 13.9% CBD/6-7% THC (Full Spectrum Genetics, Yreka CA).
Patient preferences and needs vary. Some prefer and need more THC; others prefer and need more CBD. Besides choice of strains, patients have another method to adjust their relative THC and CBD dosages, vaporizing their medicine. Vaporizing or “vaping” involves heating the medicine to a temperature below the combustion temperature, the temperature at which the marijuana actually burns, approximately 200°C. (392°F.). This allows the inhalation of the vaporized medicine without inhaling actual smoke.
THC and CBD vaporize (turn from a solid into a gas) at different temperatures. THC vaporizes at 157°C. (315°F.) and CBD at 188°C. (370°F.). By adjusting the temperature of a quality vaporizer like the Storz and Bickel Volcano® (http://www.storz-bickel.com), patients may selectively inhale medicine that is THC-rich or CBD-rich.
To obtain THC-rich medicine, simply set the vaporizer for 160°C. and titrate your inhalation of the collected vapor.
To obtain CBD-rich medicine, set the vaporizer for 160°C., allow all the THC to be vaporized without collecting it (or collect it to be used by another patient that prefers the THC-rich fraction). After all the THC has vaporized, turn up the vaporizer temperature to 190°C. and titrate your inhalation of the now CBD-enriched vapor.
For the history and to follow promising developments in the study of CBD, I refer readers to http://www.projectCBD.com (http://www.projectcbd.com/).
“Et cetera, et cetera, et cetera”
This is, of course, a short and simplified overview. Approximately 100 phytocannabinoids have been isolated from marijuana, so stay tuned. Much more remains to be known about other common cannabinoids: CBG (Cannabigerol), CBC (Cannabichromene), CBL (Cannabicyclol), CBV (Cannabivarin), THCV (Tetrahydrocannabivarin), CBDV (Cannabidivarin), CBCV (Cannabichromevarin), CBGV (Cannabigerovarin), and CBGM (Cannabigerol Monoethyl Ether).
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In 2003 the US government awarded itself US patent #6630507 for cannabinoids as antioxidants and neuroprotectants. No, you are not confused; that is the same federal government that classifies marijuana as a Schedule 1 drug because it supposedly has no medical usefulness. Go figure.
Underscoring “our” government’s hypocrisy regarding inexpensive and easily-grown marijuana is the recognition that besides endocannabinoids and phytocannabinoids, there is a third class of cannabinoids, synthetic cannabinoids, the drugs that Big Pharma is patenting to sell you. Wanna bet whether the feds will classify those expensive synthetic drugs as Schedule 1 having “no medical benefit”? Follow the money.
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It is worth mentioning that marijuana is not the only plant with phytocannabinoids.
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Important reviews
University of California Center for Medical Cannabis Research—2010 Report to the Legislature
http://www.cmcr.ucsd.edu/images/pdfs/CMCR_REPORT_FEB17.pdf
Review on clinical studies with cannabis and cannabinoids 2005-2009. Hazecamp A and Grotenhermen F. Cannabinoids 2010;5(special issue):1-21.
www.cannabis-med.org/data/pdf/en_2010_01_special.pdf
Cannabinoids in medicine: A review of their therapeutic potential. Amar MB. Journal of Ethnopharmacology 105 (2006) 1–25.
http://www.ucla.edu.ve/dmedicin/departamentos/fisiologia/cannabinoidsRevPatologias.pdf
Emerging Clinical Applications for Cannabis and Cannabinoids: A Review of the Recent Scientific Literature, 2000 – 2010. Armentano P. NORML Foundation, Washington DC 2010.
http://norml.org/pdf_files/NORML_Clinical_Applications_for_Cannabis_and_Cannabinoids.pdf
Marijuana and Medicine: Assessing the Science Base. National Academy of Science Institute of Medicine, 1999
http://www.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=6376
popularized in: Marijuana As Medicine? – The Science Behind the Controversy. Mack A and Joy J. National Academy of Science. National Academy Press, Washington DC 2000.
http://books.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=9586&page=R1
AIDS/HIV
University of California Center for Medical Cannabis Research—2010 Report to the Legislature
http://www.cmcr.ucsd.edu/images/pdfs/CMCR_REPORT_FEB17.pdf
Human Immunodeficiency Virus (HIV)
http://www.norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=7485
“Marijuana and AIDS” in Marijuana As Medicine? – The Science Behind the Controversy. Mack A and Joy J. National Academy of Science. National Academy Press, Washington DC 2000.
http://books.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=9586&page=86
ALS (Amyotrophic Lateral Sclerosis, Lou Gehrig's Disease)
Amyotrophic Lateral Sclerosis (ALS)
http://www.norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=7004
Alzheimer's Disease
Alzheimer's Disease
http://norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=7003
Cachexia. Wasting syndrome
See sections 3.1 and 3.2 of Cannabinoids in medicine: A review of their therapeutic potential. Amar MB. Journal of Ethnopharmacology 105 (2006) 1–25.
http://www.ucla.edu.ve/dmedicin/departamentos/fisiologia/cannabinoidsRevPatologias.pdf
Cancer
Gliomas/Cancer
http://www.norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=7008
“Marijuana and Cancer” in Marijuana As Medicine? – The Science Behind the Controversy. Mack A and Joy J. National Academy of Science. National Academy Press, Washington DC 2000.
http://books.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=9586&page=95
Cannabis and Cannabinoids (PDQ®). National Cancer Institute. 2011.
http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/pdq/cam/cannabis/healthprofessional/page1
Cardiovascular disease
The Potential for Clinical Use of Cannabinoids in Treatment
of Cardiovascular Diseases. Durst R and Lotan C. Cardiovascular Therapeutics 2011 Feb;29(1):17-22. doi: 10.1111/j.1755-5922.2010.00233.x. Epub 2010 Oct 14.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20946323
The emerging role of the endocannabinoid system in cardiovascular disease. Pacher P, Steffens S. Semin Immunopathol. 2009 Jun;31(1):63-77. Epub 2009 Apr 9.
http://www.springerlink.com/content/a04103g160h16450/fulltext.pdf
Cannabinoid receptors in atherosclerosis. Steffens S, Mach F. Curr Opin Lipidol. 2006 Oct;17(5):519-26.
http://journals.lww.com/co-lipidology/Abstract/2006/10000/Cannabinoid_receptors_in_atherosclerosis.5.aspx
Cannabinoid receptors in acute and chronic complications of atherosclerosis. Mach F, Montecucco F, Steffens S. Br J Pharmacol. 2008 January; 153(2): 290–298.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2219535/pdf/0707517a.pdf
Endocannabinoids and cannabinoid receptors in ischaemia-reperfusion injury and preconditioning. Pacher P, Haskó G. Br J Pharmacol. 2008 Jan;153(2):252-62. Epub 2007 Nov 19.
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1038/sj.bjp.0707582/pdf
The role of the endocannabinoid system in atherosclerosis. Mach F, Steffens S. J Neuroendocrinol. 2008 May;20 Suppl 1:53-7.
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1365-2826.2008.01685.x/pdf
Cardiovascular Effects of Cannabis | Medicinal Cannabis Information. Independent Drug Monitoring Unit, United Kingdom, undated
http://www.idmu.co.uk/canncardio.htm
Crohns Disease
Gastrointestinal Disorders
http://www.norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=7009
Endocannabinoid sysytem
The Endocannabinoid System as an Emerging Target of Pharmacotherapy. National Institute of Health: Pacher P, Bátkai S, Kunos G. Pharmacol Rev. 2006 Sep;58(3):389-462.
http://pharmrev.aspetjournals.org/content/58/3/389.full.pdf
Endocrine disease, diabetes
The emerging role of the endocannabinoid system in endocrine regulation and energy balance. Pagotto U, Marsicano G, Cota D, Lutz B, Pasquali R. Endocr Rev. 2006 Feb;27(1):73-100. Epub 2005 Nov 23.
http://fk.uwks.ac.id/elib/Arsip/Departemen/Biokimia/The%20Emerging%20Role%20of%20the%20Endocannabinoid%20System.pdf
Fibromyalgia
Nabilone for the Treatment of Pain in Fibromyalgia. Skrabek RQ, Galimova L, Ethans K, Perry D. J Pain. 2008 Feb;9(2):164-73. Epub 2007 Nov 5.
http://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:9gDyCVhqJSMJ:files.meetup.com/404848/2008_Nabilone-for-the-Treatment-of-Pain-in-Fibromyalgia.pdf+Nabilone+for+the+Treatment+of+Pain+in+Fibromyalgia&hl=en&gl=us&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEESjFGavzxEJkBjsOj_YyWPHuo5PRG034PLna8X6n3sXGT696PVuaEH15HF07xVpfV10wLPfon8-nZoD0RcJfU6LInnuqHOGpKDECN4oQ6OWBgGgwXWckH2QB31FTn1BZn0KX9U7A&sig=AHIEtbQlDN8uMzxJIm6KKL0POTJdhmbsvg
Delta-9-THC based monotherapy in fibromyalgia patients on experimentally induced pain, axon reflex flare, and pain relief. Schley M, Legler A, Skopp G, Schmelz M, Konrad C, Rukwied R. Curr Med Res Opin. 2006 Jul;22(7):1269-76.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16834825
Fibromyalgia
http://norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=7007
Glaucoma
American Glaucoma Society position statement: Marijuana and the treatment of glaucoma. American Glaucoma Society, Prepared by Henry Jampel, M.D., M.H.S., August 10, 2009
http://www.americanglaucomasociety.net/associations/5224/files/Marijuana%20and%20Glaucoma%20august%2030_BOD%20Approved%2010.23.09.pdf
Marijuana and Glaucoma” in Marijuana As Medicine? – The Science Behind the Controversy. Mack A and Joy J. National Academy of Science. National Academy Press, Washington DC 2000.
http://books.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=9586&page=124
Hepatitis C
Hepatitis C
http://www.norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=7010
Marijuana effects, drug levels, DUI
Marijuana effect and delta9-tetrahydrocannabinol plasma level. Chiang CWN and Barnett G. Clinical Pharmacology and Therapeutics 1984 Aug;36(2):234-8.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/6086207
Contact highs and urinary cannabinoids excretion after passive exposure to marijuana smoke. Cone EJ and Johnson RE. Clinical Pharmacology and Therapeutics 1986 Sep;40(3):247-56.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3017628
Do delta9-tetrahydrocannabinol concentrations indicate recent use in chronic cannabis users? Karschner EL, Schwilke EW, Lowe RH, Darwin WD, Pope HG, Herning R, Cadet JL, Huestis MA. Addiction. 2009 Dec;104(12):2041-8. Epub 2009 Oct 5.
http://www.clinchem.org/cgi/reprint/49/7/1114
Developing limits for driving under cannabis. Grotenhermen F, Leson G, Berghaus G, Drummer OH, Krüger HP, Longo M, Moskowitz H, Perrine B, Ramaekers JG, Smiley A, Tunbridge R. Addiction 2007 Dec;102(12):1910-7. Epub 2007 Oct 4.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17916224
Urinary cannabinoid detection times after controlled oral administration of delta9-tetrahydrocannabinol to humans. Gustafson RA, Levine B, Stout PR, Klette KL, George MP, Moolchan ET, Huestis MA. Clin Chem. 2003 Jul;49(7):1114-24.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12816908
Editorial: Practical Challenges to Positive Drug Tests for Marijuana. ElSohly MA. Clin Chem. 2003 Jul;49(7):1037-8.
http://www.clinchem.org/cgi/reprint/49/7/1037
Dose related risk of motor vehicle crashes after cannabis use. Ramaekers JG, Berghaus G, van Laar M, Drummer OH. Drug Alcohol Depend. 2004 Feb 7;73(2):109-19.
http://www.ukcia.org/research/DoseRelatedRiskOfCrashes.pdf
Tolerance and cross-tolerance to neurocognitive effects of THC and alcohol in heavy cannabis users. Ramaekers JG, Theunissen EL, de Brouwer M, Toennes SW, Moeller MR, Kauert G. Psychopharmacology (Berl). 2011 Mar;214(2):391-401. Epub 2010 Oct 30.
http://www.cannabistherapyinstitute.com/bills/dui/raemakers.etal.pdf
Cannabis and Driving: A Scientific and Rational Review. Armentano P. NORML Foundation, Washington DC 2010
http://norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=7459
Sex differences in the effects of marijuana on simulated driving performance. Anderson BM, Rizzo M, Block RI, Pearlson GD, O'Leary DS. J Psychoactive Drugs. 2010 Mar;42(1):19-30.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3033009/
Effects of THC on driving performance, physiological state and subjective feelings relative to alcohol. Ronen A, Gershon P, Drobiner H, Rabinovich A, Bar-Hamburger R, Mechoulam R, Cassuto Y, Shinar D. Accid Anal Prev. 2008 May;40(3):926-34. Epub 2007 Nov 26.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18460360
Muscle Spasms
Dystonia
http://www.norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=7006
“Marijuana and Muscle Spasticity” in Marijuana As Medicine? – The Science Behind the Controversy. Mack A and Joy J. National Academy of Science. National Academy Press, Washington DC 2000.
http://books.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=9586&page=106
Nausea
See sections 3.1 of Cannabinoids in medicine: A review of their therapeutic potential. Amar MB. Journal of Ethnopharmacology 105 (2006) 1–25.
http://www.ucla.edu.ve/dmedicin/departamentos/fisiologia/cannabinoidsRevPatologias.pdf
Pain
University of California Center for Medical Cannabis Research—2010 Report to the Legislature
http://www.cmcr.ucsd.edu/images/pdfs/CMCR_REPORT_FEB17.pdf
Chronic Pain
http://www.norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=7786
“Marijuana and Pain” in Marijuana As Medicine? – The Science Behind the Controversy. Mack A and Joy J. National Academy of Science. National Academy Press, Washington DC 2000.
http://books.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=9586&page=77#
Post traumatic Stress Disorder
Cannabinoid receptor activation in the basolateral amygdala blocks the effects of stress on the conditioning and extinction of inhibitory avoidance. Ganon-Elazar E, Akirav I. J Neurosci. 2009 Sep 9;29(36):11078-88.
http://www.jneurosci.org/content/29/36/11078.full.pdf+html
[Extinction of emotional response as a novel approach of pharmacotherapy of anxiety disorders]. Lehner M, Wisłowska-Stanek A, Płaznik A. Psychiatr Pol. 2009 Nov-Dec;43(6):639-53.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20209877
The Use of a Synthetic Cannabinoid in the Management of Treatment‐Resistant Nightmares in Posttraumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD). Fraser GA. CNS Neurosci Ther. 2009 Winter;15(1):84-8.
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1755-5949.2008.00071.x/pdf
Public policy
Harm reduction-the cannabis paradox. Melamede R. Harm Reduct J. 2005 Sep 22;2:17.
http://www.harmreductionjournal.com/content/pdf/1477-7517-2-17.pdf
Seizures
See sections 3.7 of Cannabinoids in medicine: A review of their therapeutic potential. Amar MB. Journal of Ethnopharmacology 105 (2006) 1–25.
http://www.ucla.edu.ve/dmedicin/departamentos/fisiologia/cannabinoidsRevPatologias.pdf
“Marijuana and Neurological Disorders” in Marijuana As Medicine? – The Science Behind the Controversy. Mack A and Joy J. National Academy of Science. National Academy Press, Washington DC 2000.
http://books.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=9586&page=115
Have you stopped abusing your children?Where did that come from??
Most of you who smoke pot are probably in your 50s?Why isn’t anyone answering these questions? How can we have a conversation??
What is your diet? Junkfood or do you eat healthy? Just curious.
Where did that come from??
Where did that come from??
Are you growing it yourself or are you buying from a drug dealer who sells to children or sex traffic young girls??
Read the title of the thread. This thread was NOT restricted to recreational use.Mark79 is like a broken record or a parrot, just repeating the same lines. Here is how this thread started, I post it again:
Further, the medical research informs us of the safety and benefits of marijuana, hence completely relevant to rational application of moral theology to the social use of marijuana.
Matthew wrote: You must be new here, son. Let me clue you in: roscoe totally owned it (smoking marijuana), admitted to it, and totally defended the smoking of pot by Catholics. There is no "alleged".
Not just new here, but lazy as well: a casual perusal of roscoe's past posts show a strong promotion/defense of Marijuana use....
I advertised this particular truth about "roscoe" because it was common knowledge on this forum 10 years ago. The posts are all still there. We even had a "smilie" for pot smoking. You might see some old posts that have text such as *smoke-pot* but it no longer renders into a graphic, because a lot of the old smilies have been removed. And yes, most people will take the philosophical and metaphysical musings of a habitual pot smoker with a grain of salt -- as they should. Do a CathInfo search for "mary juanita" by user "roscoe" and you'll see his long history.
Matthew wrote: I'm not particularly strong on the pot issue, either direction. I've heard all the "pros" and I certainly can't shoot any of them down.
My only point was: look at the public posting history of "roscoe", who rather controversially promotes this particular herb.
As the last several posts PROVE, it is still QUITE controversial in Catholic circles, to say the least.
We had a member on here a year ago post something against a priest. Turns out, the member in question was literally committed to a mental hospital. I think that's pretty relevant information when weighing "could it be true?" or "is that priest to be avoided or not"? Turns out, he later recanted and was relieved when I posted a followup to the thread. He asked for the thread to be taken down, but I couldn't, as the pillow full of feathers had already been burst asunder on a high windy hill, and now I needed to keep the thread up so people could quench ALL nagging doubts about said priest, because the allegations were unfounded, ravings of a mental patient, later retracted, etc.
But let's be honest -- if it came out that a prominent Traditional priest or bishop regularly "partook" of "the herb" there would be a ****storm on the interwebz, and you know it.
Are you growing it yourself or are you buying from a drug dealer who sells to children or sex traffic young girls??Do you buy from a dealer?( many do sell ti young people and yes many drug dealers sex traffic. ). Do you grow yourself?? Simple question.
Alzheimer's much? It was prompted by your moronic question:How is that moronic a question? Do you buy your pot or grow it??
Have you stopped abusing your children?
How is that moronic a question? Do you buy your pot or grow it??
I am not nauseated.
I do not use marijuana.
I am not diabetic.
I can walk.
I am back to work.
What does any of that have to do about nausea and marijuana?
Most of you who smoke pot are probably in your 50s?How can no one can answer this question?
What is your diet? Junkfood or do you eat healthy? Just curious.
One can also say "smoke pot and mind your own business" to the defenders of recreational use of marijuana, but that isn't going to stop them from advertising here. So, the 99% of Trads who are against recreational use of MJ are going to come forward, as Viva has.Fr. Scott again?!
Here is the answer to your comment "None of it addresses whether it's a sin":
The short of it:
In conclusion, therefore, the use of marijuana, like any hard or soft drug, must be considered a mortal sin. If on occasion some people might be in ignorance as to the gravity of this sin, it is clearly evident that the matter is objectively serious. Consequently, it must be confessed as a mortal sin, and a person is obliged to confess drug abuse under pain of a bad or sacrilegious confession. If he forgot to confess the sin, he must then confess it at the first possible opportunity that he has. The priest who claimed that this was not a mortal sin has fallen into the trap of laxity.
The entire article:
Is smoking marijuana a sin?
“Neither the effeminate, nor sodomites, nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards...will possess the kingdom of God” (I Cor. 6:10). Drunkenness is a deliberate excess in the use of intoxicating drink or drugs to the point of forcibly depriving oneself of the use of reason for the sake of gratifying an inordinate desire for such drink and not for the sake of promoting health. This is contrary to the virtue of temperance, and specifically sobriety. Sobriety regulates man’s desire and use of intoxicants, and is vitally necessary for an upright moral life.
The evil of intoxication lies in the violence committed against one’s nature by depriving it of the use of reason. He deprives himself of that which makes him specifically human — his ability to think. The drunk, or in this case the drug user, desires this loss of reason because of the feeling of liberation which accompanies it precisely from this lack of control of the will over the reason. It is unnatural, contrary to sleep, which also deprives one of the use of reason but in a natural manner.
Drug use gives an illicit means of escape. Besides being a sin, it also manifests an immaturity on the part of the user. Through an act of violence against himself, he escapes from the responsibility of decision making and control in his life. When this deprivation is complete, e.g., actions totally contrary to normal behavior, incapability of distinguishing between good and evil, etc., it is a grave sin. “In vino veritas,” said the Romans, not without reason. Any state short of complete drunkenness, without sufficient reason, is of itself venially sinful, but even in this case it may be a mortal sin if it causes scandal, injury to health, harm to one’s family, etc. It is important also to note that a man is responsible for all the sinful actions committed while intoxicated which he had, or ought to have, foreseen.
According to Jone-Adelman in Moral Theology, the use of drugs in small quantities and only occasionally is a venial sin if done without sufficient reason. This could be the case, for example, with sleeping pills. Obviously, deprivation of the use of reason through narcotics is to be judged as alcohol. The use of most drugs is complicated by the fact that they are illegal. This also signifies the will of the user to break the law, an offense against social justice. This compounds the sin. The speed with which a drug alters one’s consciousness also aggravates its use. This rapidity risks a greater potential to deprive oneself of the use of reason and thus to pass on to stronger intoxicants for increased effect.
Therefore, adding to the violation of the virtue of justice, the grave scandal caused, the grave danger of addiction, and the stronger consciousness-altering ability of marijuana, it is difficult to excuse one of mortal sin. Moreover, experience tells us that its use is frequently an occasion of mortal sin, especially sins of the flesh and the use of narcotic drugs. But to willingly and knowingly place oneself in an unnecessary proximate occasion of mortal sin is to commit a mortal sin. Fr. James Doran, September 1993
Is it a mortal sin to use drugs?
The old text books [on moral theology] do not speak of this new problem of the modern world. However, the immorality of drug abuse can be clearly deduced from the principles which allow an evaluation of the malice of alcohol abuse. The distinction is made between imperfect drunkenness, the fact of making oneself tipsy deliberately, which can only be a venial sin, and perfect drunkenness, which is drinking until one is drunk. This is a mortal sin because a drunken person loses the use of reason. This is St. Thomas Aquinas’s response to the objection that the quantity of wine drunk is but a circuмstance, which cannot make a venial sin into a mortal sin:
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With regard to drunkenness we reply that it is a mortal sin by reason of its genus: for that a man, without necessity, and through the mere lust of wine, makes himself unable to use his reason, whereby he is directed to God and avoids committing many sins, is expressly contrary to virtue. That it be a venial sin is due to some sort of ignorance or weakness, as when a man is ignorant of the strength of the wine, or of his own unfitness, so that he has no thought of getting drunk, for in that case the drunkenness is not imputed to him as a sin, but only the excessive drink…." (Summa Theologica, I-II, q. 88, art. 5, ad1)
The consumption of illegal drugs, even those called soft drugs, is comparable not to becoming tipsy on a little wine but to perfect drunkenness. For these drugs have their effect by causing a “high,” that is, an emotional experience when a person escapes from the demands of reality. For a brief period he lives in an unreal, euphoric world. All the other effects, such as relaxation, come as a consequence of this “high,” or unreal euphoria. If this state does not always prohibit all use of reason, it most certainly does always impede the most important use of reason, which St. Thomas just explained to us “whereby he is directed to God and avoids committing many sins.” All drugs deaden the conscience, and obscure the practical judgment as to right and wrong and what we must do. With respect to morality, their effect is consequently equivalent to the removal of the use of reason, and is a practical refusal to direct all of man’s acts to God through reason.
Drug abuse is consequently much worse than the pure seeking of pleasure or relaxation that some claim it to be. It is a denial of the natural and supernatural order, according to which God has created us in His image and likeness that our acts might be ordered to His honor and glory. Moreover, it goes without saying that the abuse of drugs is directly opposed to the Catholic spirit, which spirit of sacrifice, the practical application of the spirit of the cross, is essential to the living of our faith.
As previously mentioned, the principal evil of drug abuse is the destruction of moral conscience. It follows that the atrocious consequences of drug abuse are inseparable from it, and are willed together with the drugs themselves. This includes the breaking of the law in the consumption of drugs; and in the means of obtaining them, such as theft; and in the effort to sell them in turn to others, often minors or children. Other consequences include the incredible self-indulgence which accompanies the almost insatiable desire for always more titillating experiences, sins of blasphemy, the often satanic rock music, and the sins against purity and chastity, which are the consequence of the loss of shame and conscience.
Sins against charity and justice abound, such as disobedience to parents and refusal to do one’s duty at school or work, not to mention the bad company-keeping which is the breeding ground of all vices. Long term results are also willed in their cause, and they include such things as emotional and physical addiction, the passage from soft to hard drugs, the damage done to the body and to general health by prolonged drug use, culminating in the “fried” brains of the person who cannot even reason clearly, let alone make a moral judgment. It is a mortal sin to place one’s physical and spiritual health in such proximate danger, even if a person is to pretend that he is immune from this danger and that “it could not happen to me.”
Even the often liberal and ambiguous Catechism of the Catholic Church (https://sspx.org/en/faq-page/what-are-we-think-of-the-new-catechism-faq14), published in 1994 in application of the principles of Vatican II, acknowledges this:
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The use of drugs inflicts very grave damage on human health and life. Their use, except on strictly therapeutic grounds, is a grave offense. Clandestine production of and trafficking in drugs are scandalous practices. They constitute direct co-operation in evil, since they encourage people to practices gravely contrary to the moral law." (§2291)
This does not, however, exclude the use of narcotic drugs for therapeutic reasons. Their use, under medical supervision, is justified by a sufficiently grave and proportionate reason, even if they do deprive a person temporarily of the use of reason. (Cf. Merkelbach, Summa Theologiae Moralis, II, 925). For it is not the loss of reason which is willed. It is only an indirect consequence, so that there is not necessarily a disorder with respect to the final end of man. The typical example is pain control.
In conclusion, therefore, the use of marijuana, like any hard or soft drug, must be considered a mortal sin. If on occasion some people might be in ignorance as to the gravity of this sin, it is clearly evident that the matter is objectively serious. Consequently, it must be confessed as a mortal sin, and a person is obliged to confess drug abuse under pain of a bad or sacrilegious confession. If he forgot to confess the sin, he must then confess it at the first possible opportunity that he has. The priest who claimed that this was not a mortal sin has fallen into the trap of laxity.
Fr. Peter Scott, January 1999 https://sspx.org/en/news-events/news/smoking-marijuana-sin-3188 (https://sspx.org/en/news-events/news/smoking-marijuana-sin-3188)
One can also say "smoke pot and mind your own business" to the defenders of recreational use of marijuana, but that isn't going to stop them from advertising here. So, the 99% of Trads who are against recreational use of MJ are going to come forward, as Viva has.
Here is the answer to your comment "None of it addresses whether it's a sin":
The short of it:
In conclusion, therefore, the use of marijuana, like any hard or soft drug, must be considered a mortal sin. If on occasion some people might be in ignorance as to the gravity of this sin, it is clearly evident that the matter is objectively serious. Consequently, it must be confessed as a mortal sin, and a person is obliged to confess drug abuse under pain of a bad or sacrilegious confession. If he forgot to confess the sin, he must then confess it at the first possible opportunity that he has. The priest who claimed that this was not a mortal sin has fallen into the trap of laxity.
The entire article:
Is smoking marijuana a sin?
“Neither the effeminate, nor sodomites, nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards...will possess the kingdom of God” (I Cor. 6:10). Drunkenness is a deliberate excess in the use of intoxicating drink or drugs to the point of forcibly depriving oneself of the use of reason for the sake of gratifying an inordinate desire for such drink and not for the sake of promoting health. This is contrary to the virtue of temperance, and specifically sobriety. Sobriety regulates man’s desire and use of intoxicants, and is vitally necessary for an upright moral life.
The evil of intoxication lies in the violence committed against one’s nature by depriving it of the use of reason. He deprives himself of that which makes him specifically human — his ability to think. The drunk, or in this case the drug user, desires this loss of reason because of the feeling of liberation which accompanies it precisely from this lack of control of the will over the reason. It is unnatural, contrary to sleep, which also deprives one of the use of reason but in a natural manner.
Drug use gives an illicit means of escape. Besides being a sin, it also manifests an immaturity on the part of the user. Through an act of violence against himself, he escapes from the responsibility of decision making and control in his life. When this deprivation is complete, e.g., actions totally contrary to normal behavior, incapability of distinguishing between good and evil, etc., it is a grave sin. “In vino veritas,” said the Romans, not without reason. Any state short of complete drunkenness, without sufficient reason, is of itself venially sinful, but even in this case it may be a mortal sin if it causes scandal, injury to health, harm to one’s family, etc. It is important also to note that a man is responsible for all the sinful actions committed while intoxicated which he had, or ought to have, foreseen.
According to Jone-Adelman in Moral Theology, the use of drugs in small quantities and only occasionally is a venial sin if done without sufficient reason. This could be the case, for example, with sleeping pills. Obviously, deprivation of the use of reason through narcotics is to be judged as alcohol. The use of most drugs is complicated by the fact that they are illegal. This also signifies the will of the user to break the law, an offense against social justice. This compounds the sin. The speed with which a drug alters one’s consciousness also aggravates its use. This rapidity risks a greater potential to deprive oneself of the use of reason and thus to pass on to stronger intoxicants for increased effect.
Therefore, adding to the violation of the virtue of justice, the grave scandal caused, the grave danger of addiction, and the stronger consciousness-altering ability of marijuana, it is difficult to excuse one of mortal sin. Moreover, experience tells us that its use is frequently an occasion of mortal sin, especially sins of the flesh and the use of narcotic drugs. But to willingly and knowingly place oneself in an unnecessary proximate occasion of mortal sin is to commit a mortal sin. Fr. James Doran, September 1993
Is it a mortal sin to use drugs?
The old text books [on moral theology] do not speak of this new problem of the modern world. However, the immorality of drug abuse can be clearly deduced from the principles which allow an evaluation of the malice of alcohol abuse. The distinction is made between imperfect drunkenness, the fact of making oneself tipsy deliberately, which can only be a venial sin, and perfect drunkenness, which is drinking until one is drunk. This is a mortal sin because a drunken person loses the use of reason. This is St. Thomas Aquinas’s response to the objection that the quantity of wine drunk is but a circuмstance, which cannot make a venial sin into a mortal sin:
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With regard to drunkenness we reply that it is a mortal sin by reason of its genus: for that a man, without necessity, and through the mere lust of wine, makes himself unable to use his reason, whereby he is directed to God and avoids committing many sins, is expressly contrary to virtue. That it be a venial sin is due to some sort of ignorance or weakness, as when a man is ignorant of the strength of the wine, or of his own unfitness, so that he has no thought of getting drunk, for in that case the drunkenness is not imputed to him as a sin, but only the excessive drink…." (Summa Theologica, I-II, q. 88, art. 5, ad1)
The consumption of illegal drugs, even those called soft drugs, is comparable not to becoming tipsy on a little wine but to perfect drunkenness. For these drugs have their effect by causing a “high,” that is, an emotional experience when a person escapes from the demands of reality. For a brief period he lives in an unreal, euphoric world. All the other effects, such as relaxation, come as a consequence of this “high,” or unreal euphoria. If this state does not always prohibit all use of reason, it most certainly does always impede the most important use of reason, which St. Thomas just explained to us “whereby he is directed to God and avoids committing many sins.” All drugs deaden the conscience, and obscure the practical judgment as to right and wrong and what we must do. With respect to morality, their effect is consequently equivalent to the removal of the use of reason, and is a practical refusal to direct all of man’s acts to God through reason.
Drug abuse is consequently much worse than the pure seeking of pleasure or relaxation that some claim it to be. It is a denial of the natural and supernatural order, according to which God has created us in His image and likeness that our acts might be ordered to His honor and glory. Moreover, it goes without saying that the abuse of drugs is directly opposed to the Catholic spirit, which spirit of sacrifice, the practical application of the spirit of the cross, is essential to the living of our faith.
As previously mentioned, the principal evil of drug abuse is the destruction of moral conscience. It follows that the atrocious consequences of drug abuse are inseparable from it, and are willed together with the drugs themselves. This includes the breaking of the law in the consumption of drugs; and in the means of obtaining them, such as theft; and in the effort to sell them in turn to others, often minors or children. Other consequences include the incredible self-indulgence which accompanies the almost insatiable desire for always more titillating experiences, sins of blasphemy, the often satanic rock music, and the sins against purity and chastity, which are the consequence of the loss of shame and conscience.
Sins against charity and justice abound, such as disobedience to parents and refusal to do one’s duty at school or work, not to mention the bad company-keeping which is the breeding ground of all vices. Long term results are also willed in their cause, and they include such things as emotional and physical addiction, the passage from soft to hard drugs, the damage done to the body and to general health by prolonged drug use, culminating in the “fried” brains of the person who cannot even reason clearly, let alone make a moral judgment. It is a mortal sin to place one’s physical and spiritual health in such proximate danger, even if a person is to pretend that he is immune from this danger and that “it could not happen to me.”
Even the often liberal and ambiguous Catechism of the Catholic Church (https://sspx.org/en/faq-page/what-are-we-think-of-the-new-catechism-faq14), published in 1994 in application of the principles of Vatican II, acknowledges this:
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The use of drugs inflicts very grave damage on human health and life. Their use, except on strictly therapeutic grounds, is a grave offense. Clandestine production of and trafficking in drugs are scandalous practices. They constitute direct co-operation in evil, since they encourage people to practices gravely contrary to the moral law." (§2291)
This does not, however, exclude the use of narcotic drugs for therapeutic reasons. Their use, under medical supervision, is justified by a sufficiently grave and proportionate reason, even if they do deprive a person temporarily of the use of reason. (Cf. Merkelbach, Summa Theologiae Moralis, II, 925). For it is not the loss of reason which is willed. It is only an indirect consequence, so that there is not necessarily a disorder with respect to the final end of man. The typical example is pain control.
In conclusion, therefore, the use of marijuana, like any hard or soft drug, must be considered a mortal sin. If on occasion some people might be in ignorance as to the gravity of this sin, it is clearly evident that the matter is objectively serious. Consequently, it must be confessed as a mortal sin, and a person is obliged to confess drug abuse under pain of a bad or sacrilegious confession. If he forgot to confess the sin, he must then confess it at the first possible opportunity that he has. The priest who claimed that this was not a mortal sin has fallen into the trap of laxity.
Fr. Peter Scott, January 1999 https://sspx.org/en/news-events/news/smoking-marijuana-sin-3188 (https://sspx.org/en/news-events/news/smoking-marijuana-sin-3188)
Bringing forth grass for cattle, and herb for the service of men. That thou mayst bring bread out of the earth:" [Psalms 103:14 (http://www.drbo.org/cgi-bin/d?b=drb&bk=21&ch=103&l=14#x)] |
Catholics promoting the smoking of marijuana for recreation brings to mind a quote from Our Lady to Sister Mary of Agreda "close thy senses to the deceits and fabulations of the world". There is nothing noble about recreational smoking of MJ, it is just another deceit of the world. Catholics, that is real Catholics, should aspire to ennoble their spirit. MJ is debasing, it is a scandal for Catholics to even say they smoke MJ for recreation, especially here on a public forum for all to read for years.
Mystical City of God by Sister Mary of Agreda Volume 3 page 67 & 68:
73. Come then, my daughter, come and follow me. And in order that thou mayest imitate me as I desire and that thy understanding may be properly enlightened, thy spirit sufficiently ennobled and prepared, and thy will inflamed, separate thyself from all earthly things as thy Spouse wishes; withdraw thyself from what is visible, forsake all the creatures, deny thyself, close thy senses to the deceits and fabulations of the world (Ps. 39, 5).
Bringing forth grass for cattle, and herb for the service of men. That thou mayst bring bread out of the earth:" [Psalms 103:14 (http://www.drbo.org/cgi-bin/d?b=drb&bk=21&ch=103&l=14#x)] |
Bringing forth grass for cattle, and herb for the service of men. That thou mayst bring bread out of the earth:" [Psalms 103:14 (http://www.drbo.org/cgi-bin/d?b=drb&bk=21&ch=103&l=14#x)] |
Fr. Scott again?!
A brainwashed exMD who said, from the pulpit, not vaccinating your children was a mortal sin and child protective services should be called.
Is that REALLY who you want to quote?
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Are you growing it yourself or are you buying from a drug dealer who sells to children or sex traffic young girls??I would grow acres of it to help you when you get cancer.
Most of you who smoke pot are probably in your 50s?My uncle was 70 when he ate it to help him die happy. He ate well all his life, but especially near the end!
What is your diet? Junkfood or do you eat healthy? Just curious.
There goes Mark79 with yet another end run, switching to medical use again, which is not the issue or what this thread is about.The Bible trumps brainwashed, anti-family, Fr. Scott and the sspx.
We are still waiting for articles from priests that say it is Ok to smoke MJ recreationally. I posted Fr. Scott and the SSPX saying it is a mortal sin, I could post many more articles from the Vatican II church.
But it is crickets on the question for now 30+ pages of insults, spam, chaff, and end runs from Mark79
Bringing forth grass for cattle, and herb for the service of men. That thou mayst bring bread out of the earth:" [Psalms 103:14 (http://www.drbo.org/cgi-bin/d?b=drb&bk=21&ch=103&l=14#x)] |
Most of you who smoke pot are probably in your 50s?More presumptions.....
What is your diet? Junkfood or do you eat healthy? Just curious.
Mark79 is like a broken record or a parrot, just repeating the same lines. Here is how this thread started, I post it again:Talk about the pot calling the kettle black!
(https://www.cathinfo.com/fighting-errors-in-the-modern-world/)
Do you buy from a dealer?( many do sell ti young people and yes many drug dealers sex traffic. ). Do you grow yourself?? Simple question.Data, please.... otherwise it is presumption
Is it not self evident that asking, "Do you buy your pot or grow it?",(https://i.imgur.com/NIKXbpr.png)
is not the same thing as asking,
"Are you growing it yourself or are you buying from a drug dealer who sells to children or sex traffic young girls??"
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And the other SSPX priest they have used for support is the one who illegally failed to report a serial pederast because he knew the true "intent" of the victim was to avoid summer camp.Who was that? Fr. Angeli?
Birds of a feather.
LT, Viva = puritans = obsessed with controlling others.Seems that way to me, too, based on their words.
Control freaks tend to have a psychological need to be in charge of things and people around them. This often includes circuмstances that cannot be changed or even controlled. The need for control can stem from deeper psychological issues such as obsessive-compulsive disorder (OCD) (https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/diseases/9490-obsessive-compulsive-disorder), anxiety disorders (https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/diseases/9536-anxiety-disorders) or personality disorders (https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/diseases/9636-personality-disorders-overview).
And yet you didn’t know what Spy Wednesday is. Even most novus Ordo Catholics know this. Typical dumb disrespectful punk with sodomite attitude.Seems like other don't know what Spy Wednesday is, either. Is Nadir a dumb disrespectful punk with sodomite attitude, because she doesn't know what it is, either?
Maybe you should study the Baltimore Catechism.
I think your mommy just called you. Time to crawl from the basement. Maybe mommy can bake you a cake.
What do we learn from these observations? Endocannabinoids maintain our physical health and mental stability. Yes, Divine Providence at work—happy minds and healthy bodies require marijuana-like chemicals!
If happy minds and healthy bodies require marijuana-like chemicals, which you say is Divine Providence at work, then surely this will have been stated somewhere in Sacred Scripture or Tradition. Can you point out where in Scripture or Tradition that this is stated?
What Catholic needs explicit approval in a Bible verse to take any medicine? Have you become a Christian Scientist?
If happy minds and healthy bodies require marijuana-like chemicals, which you say is Divine Providence at work, then surely this will have been stated somewhere in Sacred Scripture or Tradition. Can you point out where in Scripture or Tradition that this is stated?
And the earth brought forth the green herb, and such as yieldeth seed according to its kind, and the tree that beareth fruit, having seed each one according to its kind. And God saw that it was good.… And God said: Behold I have given you every herb bearing seed upon the earth, and all trees that have in themselves seed of their own kind, to be your meat Genesis 1:12-29
The prefix "endo" means internal, within. Thus endocannabinoids are intrinsic to our bodies. (Similarly: endorphins (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endorphins) are our internal form of morphine, with the etymological root orph from the soothing effects told of in the Greek fable of Orpheus. Other uses of "endo" appear in endoscopic, endoplasmic, endodontic, etc.)Important distinctions well stated!
Turning to Scripture, one such citation would be from 1 Corinthians 10:13, "And God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that which you are able: but will make also with temptation issue, that you may be able to bear it."
Therefore, at issue is not so much the chemical structures per se but rather the circuмstances that lead a person to seek out external sources to supplement/replace these chemicals: conditions where the body is either prevented by some illness from producing normal maintenance levels or where those normal levels don't serve to alleviate sufficiently the presenting pain. If that pain has a primarily physical source, then the discussion turns to THC, etc. If that pain has a primarily spiritual source, then that's a separate discussion entirely (see: Job).
The crossover cases (whether spiritual pain due to physical pain, or physical pain due to spiritual pain, or worse yet a reciprocal spiral) become a matter of carrying one's cross, or not, as it were. The distinctions matter for clarity of understanding yet can't always be discerned so easily. Sometimes we pray, wait, and leave the rest to God.
What Catholic needs explicit approval in a Bible verse to take any medicine? Have you become a Christian Scientist?
Are you so ignorant of Scripture that you do not know the general principle of using herbs and fermented beverages is in Scripture?
Some argue that the "bud of renown" in Ezekiel 34:29 refers to marijuana, indigenous to the Holy Land and used there for millennia.
I also recall that Jesus turned water into wine at Cana for a wedding feast that lasted for days. Who here can accuse Jesus of abetting drunkenness? who here can accuse Jesus of a puritanical rejection of revelry?
For you, marijuana has become an idol that replaces God. It is marijuana that makes a person happy and healthy - not the Catholic Church, and by extension, love and devotion to our Lord and Redeemer Jesus Christ.
"Blessed be God, who giveth wine to cheer the heart of man."
The fruits of the earth are available for our temperate use for the sake of "cheering the heart."
How does this follow even remotely from his merely having defended the liceity of using the substsance? He now has turned it into "an idol that replaces God"? Are you serious?
If you go back and read what I wrote, you'll have an answer, rather than just reacting. Next you'll be calling me names, because I won't agree with you. Go ahead and do so.Mark79 (my emphasis):
Endocannabinoids maintain our physical health and mental stability. Yes, Divine Providence at work—happy minds and healthy bodies require marijuana-like chemicals!
For you, marijuana has become an idol that replaces God.
If you go back and read what I wrote, you'll have an answer, rather than just reacting. Next you'll be calling me names, because I won't agree with you. Go ahead and do so.
You said that marijuana-like substances are required for a happy mind and healthy body. You haven't actually addressed my concern about this at all.
For you, marijuana has become an idol that replaces God. It is marijuana that makes a person happy and healthy…
Lunar Module is a Meth Heads Tree FortGreat post Miser! I too wondered who was filming them landing on the "moon."
LOL :laugh1:
2min 15sec
https://www.bitchute.com/video/QQgIoNtjQzSH/
I have to say, and this is not to brag because I am a clueless numbscull in so many ways, but I was young enough to not be afraid to ask questions during the 70's about this.
When watching the footage on tv I kept asking my Dad, "Who is filming them while they are landing on the moon?"
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"How do they get enough power to get back to earth when they needed a huge blast to get to the moon?"
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"Why is the rocket taking off from earth curving? How will that get them to the moon. Shouldn't they be going straight up?"
and on and on...
My Dad was suspicious and said that I'm asking all the right questions...
but there was no internet then to do any research into this and meet like minded people who were asking the same questions.
From what I hear, kids these days aren't buying it.
Millennials have grown up with far better CGI!
Great post Miser! I too wondered who was filming them landing on the "moon."It seems… misplaced. :laugh1:
Pot heads are losers. Today's weed is, also, weaponized. It induces temporary schizophrenia in its users.If by "pot head" you mean the stereotypical "Cheech and Chong" kind of MJ user, I agree. I believe the polls showing that a majority of Americans of all ages use MJ. Since the majority of the people I see in public or private do not fit the Cheech and Chong mold, I conclude that most MJ users are not "pot heads," but instead "fit in" and function in American society (a society that is nothing as I would want).
Also, fentanyl is an IQ test. I have no sympathy for those who use it. They deserve to die. No state resources should be expended to help fentanyl addicts.
If by "pot head" you mean the stereotypical "Cheech and Chong" kind of MJ user, I agree. I believe the polls showing that a majority of Americans of all ages use MJ. Since the majority of the people I see in public or private do not fit the Cheech and Chong mold, I conclude that most MJ users are not "pot heads," but instead "fit in" and function in American society (a society that is nothing as I would want).It induces a selfishness and apathy. It impairs judgement and causes loss of memory. It reduces performance and efficiency. All more than ever before, and not only the "Cheech and Chong" users but also the "normies". I've seen it in a lot of people with whom I used to work since it's been legalized.
I agree that MJ has been weaponized.… repeatedly. It was weaponized when it was made illegal. It is now weaponized while it is being made legal. In my opinion, the calming and dissociative effects of some strains of MJ take potential allies "out of the fight" against the ѕуηαgσgυє of Satan. I think that is the main reason that our oppressors are allowing MJ legalization.
MJ induces temporary "schizophrenia" only in those already vulnerable due to their pre-existent mental state. I repeat what I have consistently stated, not everyone is suited to the use of MJ. I freely stipulate that people with certain mental states states (especially schizophrenia, schizoaffective disorder, and bipolar disorder) are not typically among those who should use MJ. As I have so often said on this subject "careful case-by-case assessment" and "judicious use."
Pot heads are losers. Today's weed is, also, weaponized. It induces temporary schizophrenia in its users.Yes. You are right about pot heads. Most watch tv, scroll porn on cellphones while high.
Also, fentanyl is an IQ test. I have no sympathy for those who use it. They deserve to die. No state resources should be expended to help fentanyl addicts.
I have seen numerous people develop some rather serious mental problems after cannabis use. On that basis I will continue to completely avoid.
Yes. You are right about pot heads. Most watch tv, scroll porn on cellphones while high.Hilarious. What percentage of the population has TVs, cell phones, and watches porn?
It induces a selfishness and apathy. It impairs judgement and causes loss of memory. It reduces performance and efficiency. All more than ever before, and not only the "Cheech and Chong" users but also the "normies". I've seen it in a lot of people with whom I used to work since it's been legalized.I think this is mostly another "eat fast food and breath air" observation.
I have seen numerous people develop some rather serious mental problems after cannabis use. On that basis I will continue to completely avoid.
I agree. But of course medical professionals have written peer-reviewed papers on how wonderful pot is, and therefore, we have to accept that it is wonderful. No questions asked, because we all know that medical professionals are always right. We have to accept that a healthy mind and body can only be gained from marijuana or marijuana-like substances, which is a bunch of hooey."Questions have been asked" about MJ and been answered.
"Questions have been asked" about MJ and been answered.
You don't like the answers. So what?
You have not adduced counter-evidence beyond your own subjective projections like your utterly asinine "idol that replaces God" insanity and your "medical professionals are always right" straw man.… because no such credible counter-evidence exists.
You are the one who said that a healthy mind and body can only be gained from marijuana-like substances. That is an idol that replaces God.You are descending deeper, so deep that you now have only lies and distortion at your disposal.
You are descending deeper, so deep that you now have only lies and distortion at your disposal.
I have simply stated that our own natural endocannabinoids must be in balance for a healthy mind and body.
No matter how bitter your animus against me, that fact is not an "idol that replaces God." The fact is actually a recognition of how God created us.
Your bitter rejection of Divine Providence for having given our bodies the endocannabinoid system stinks of Manichaeism.
If you don't like how God created us, take it up with HIm.
I am tempted to make a joke at your expense about why you might know so many people who are nuts… but I won't. :laugh1:
If your personal observation were true, 1 person observing "numerous" mental problems correlating with de novo onset of mental illness, there would be a mountain of corroborating evidence There is no such corroboration.
Either (1) you are exaggerating "numerous" because it fits your already-admitted "avoid" bias or (2) you are truthfully reporting a statistical aberration.
As I have said, such correlations have been claimed, examined and put to rest. Such instances are not causal, but are instead manifestations of pre-existent mental illness unmasked in patients who should not have used MJ in the first place.
You are welcome to avoid MJ.
P.S. It is refreshing to see a newbie troll who wants to spread Reefer Madness instead of heresy… so far. :laugh1: Did you make this new account just so you could double the apparent opposition to licit MJ use???
You said that marijuana-like substances are REQUIRED for a healthy mind and body.The depletion of endocannabinoids resulted in extremely high rates of ѕυιcιdє.
The depletion of endocannabinoids resulted in extremely high rates of ѕυιcιdє.
A rational person would see ѕυιcιdє as the epitome of unhealthy mind and body.
You are the one who said that a healthy mind and body can only be gained from marijuana-like substances. That is an idol that replaces God.
The depletion of endocannabinoids resulted in extremely high rates of ѕυιcιdє.Why is there a depletion of endocannabinoids? Besides cannabis, where else would you get such things. Sorry if you already answered this.
A rational person would see ѕυιcιdє as the epitome of unhealthy mind and body.
Why is there a depletion of endocannabinoids? Besides cannabis, where else would you get such things. Sorry if you already answered this.
…A drug that blocks CB1 receptors, Rimonabant, was a very effective and widely prescribed appetite suppressant in Europe. Despite its effectiveness in dieting, Rimonabant was pulled from the market. Why? Big Pharma’s drug so completely blocked patients’ natural endocannabinoids that patients were deprived of not only their craving for food, but also deprived of their mental health. Because Rimonabant blocked the mood stabilizing effects of natural endocannabinoids, Rimonabant users were committing ѕυιcιdє in significant numbers.…
Mark really clearly explained how our body produces endocannabinoids (i.e., cannabinoids that our own body, by design, without any outside influence, makes by itself) to regulate physical and emotional pain sensors. Soubirous had a good post about this earlier. That prefix "endo" refers to something already happening within our bodies, that our bodies are designed to produce and regulate. In this sense at the very least it is simply true that cannabinoids are indeed required for proper maintenance of bodily and emotional health.
So our minds bodies require the intake of marijuana-like substances in order to be healthy? Doesn't that mean that we have to injest or smoke marijuana in some form in order to be healthy? And what exactly are marijuana-like substances? Cannabinoids can only be found in marijuana, right? There are no other sources that I know of.Our bodies require marijuana like substances to be healthy, which is why a healthy and properly functioning body already makes them even if we don't ingest marijuana.
I'm not in a position to lecture about biology or anything, but some users here could really benefit from just a really basic understanding of some basic biological concepts.Thank you.
Mark really clearly explained how our body produces endocannabinoids (i.e., cannabinoids that our own body, by design, without any outside influence, makes by itself) to regulate physical and emotional pain sensors. Soubirous had a good post about this earlier. That prefix "endo" refers to something already happening within our bodies, that our bodies are designed to produce and regulate. In this sense at the very least it is simply true that cannabinoids are indeed required for proper maintenance of bodily and emotional health.
As with any other endogenously produced chemical, it can be lawful and in some cases even required to exogenously (i.e., from outside the body) supplement for proper bodily/emotional function. Marijuana is the primary example of an exogenous form of cannabinoids. Using marijuana in a proper amount therefore promotes the required cannabinoidal functioning within the human body.
TLDR: it's required in the same way that vitamin supplements are required. Vitamins are indeed required for properly bodily function, even though not everyone needs to supplement them.
Meg you're obviously not reading anything Mark has written.
So our minds bodies require the intake of marijuana-like substances in order to be healthy? Doesn't that mean that we have to injest or smoke marijuana in some form in order to be healthy? And what exactly are marijuana-like substances? Cannabinoids can only be found in marijuana, right? There are no other sources that I know of.Our body creates the substance. Yet as Mark 79 said certain drugs depleted, or all together blocked the natural occurrence in our bodies. If a drug could do this, maybe bad quality food, vaccines, dyes, and other drugs, can reduce it. The quickest way to replenish seems to be THC.
So our minds bodies require the intake of marijuana-like substances in order to be healthy? Doesn't that mean that we have to injest or smoke marijuana in some form in order to be healthy? And what exactly are marijuana-like substances? Cannabinoids can only be found in marijuana, right? There are no other sources that I know of.[sigh]
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Healthy minds and bodies already make their own endocannabinoids("marijuance-like substances").
In numerous conditions repeatedly described to you for 3 years, unhealthy minds and bodies can benefit from exogenous supplements.
For example, if your endogenous thyroid hormone production is inadequate, you become unhealthy. Intake of exogenous thyroid hormone, "medicine," can return the body to health.
By analogy, a deficiency in endocannabinoids can be repaired by intake of exogenous phytocannabinoids.
Okay, so it's fine if people become stoned on a regular basis, and become addicted to pot, because in reality, it's making them healthier in mind and body?Why do you persist in turning simple and carefully circuмscribed observations into a panoply of hysterical straw man arguments and Procrustean distortions?
Our body creates the substance. Yet as Mark 79 said certain drugs depleted, or all together blocked the natural occurrence in our bodies. If a drug could do this, maybe bad quality food, vaccines, dyes, and other drugs, can reduce it. The quickest way to replenish seems to be THC.The point is that THC could be a useful supplement for those who have low Cannabinoids. I guess the next question would be is there a way to measure the levels in a person to know if they need supplements, like you would do for Vitamin D.
This was just my quick summation of the whole thing. I could be wrong.
He defends smoking pot, when some of us have seen the bad effects of this practice. That's not the same thing as what you are saying. Why would someone need to get stoned in order to be healthy? I mean, really?He has clearly, regularly, and consistently maintained that the lawful use of marijuana depends on its temperate use. You're looking for a fight, not for understanding.
Why do you persist in turning simple and carefully circuмscribed observations into a panoply of straw man arguments and Procrustean distortions?
You managed to turn an appreciation of the Creator and His Creation into an accusation of "replacing" Him.
Do you do this because of ill will or because you are truly incapable of honesty and logic?
He has clearly, regularly, and consistently maintained that the lawful use of marijuana depends on its temperate use. You're looking for a fight, not for understanding.
He defends smoking pot, when some of us have seen the bad effects of this practice. That's not the same thing as what you are saying. Why would someone need to get stoned in order to be healthy? I mean, really?
Why??? Asked and answered repeatedly for at least 3 years
Here is a representative fraction of the iderases and synmptoms that are treated successfully using MJ:
AIDS/HIV
ALS (Amyotrophic Lateral Sclerosis, Lou Gehrig's Disease)
Amyotrophic Lateral Sclerosis (ALS)
Alzheimer's Disease
Cachexia. Wasting syndrome
Cancer
Cardiovascular disease
Crohns Disease
Gastrointestinal Disorders
Glaucoma
Muscle Spasms
Dystonia
Pain
Post traumatic Stress Disorder
Nausea/Vomiting
When someone dying of cancer in agonizing pain due to bone metastases do you pejoratively describe their opioid use as "getting stoned."
Are you so traumatized by your personal experiences with marijuana that you have lost all empathy for suffering people? It seems that in large measure, your empathy has been replaced by cruelty and derision.
This thread is about asking if marijuana use is sinful for Catholics. That is, is smoking pot sinful for Catholics. You have turned it into something that it wasn't meant to be.Throughout this thread I have clearly stated that judicious medical and recreational use is licit under Catholic moral theology. Under those explicit conditions marijuana use is NOT sinful for Catholics.
Throughout this thread I have clearly stated that judicious medical and recreational use is licit under Catholic moral theology. Under those explicit conditions marijuana use is NOT sinful for Catholics.
I and others here have rationally and carefully offered both the research and the moral theology in defense of our position.
Your response has been a series of ill-willed and irrational accusations, strawman arguments, and subjective anecdotes.
So most of the potheads in the world who smoke pot and are addicted to it and just want to be stoned are in reality treating one of the above diseases or disorders? That's too funny!Is this your idea of answering if MJ use is sinful for Catholics? :laugh1:
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Go back and look at the OP of this tread from 2021. It is not about judicious or medicinal use of pot. It is about smoking pot as a pothead. You have defended potheadism in the past. I just can't recall where. You have always distracted from the topic of potheadism by going on and on and on about "medicinal" pot, when that's not the problem here.THIS thread asks if MJ use is sinful for Catholics.
THIS thread asks if MJ use is sinful for Catholics.
We have addressed that question. YOU have not.
The 2021 thread began as a rant by Tradman. His raving was rebutted by research. His subjectivity was also rebutted by deconstructing his (and your) "31 points."
Wrong. This thread was started by a guy named Stanley in 2021. He was asking about a former forum member named Roscoe who admitted to smoking pot. Go back and take a look at the OP, okay?Excuse me. The 2021 thread did not escalate until Tradman (and you) began raving.… as today you have again been raving. Also, there is nothing "former" about roscoe. He logged into CathInfo March 02, 2025, 12:31:19 AM https://www.cathinfo.com/profile/roscoe/
Excuse me. The 2021 thread did not escalate until Tradman (and you) began raving.
This thread wasn't about defending the judicial or medicinal use of pot. And yet you always distract away from the real subject by injecting your supposedly professional and authoritative opinion on the medicinal use, as if that's going to address the issue of people smoking pot because they just want to be stoned.That is a lie.
You get all upset and make all kinds of accusations when your amazing professional and authoritative opinions are not taken seriously. But we aren't required to take your opinions seriously.
Correction: When people talk past each other, communication gets complicated. I am sorry I am always making things about men-women interactions (I think just humans in general get attached to their own way of seeing things.)
Since I know Meg has blocked me and can't see this, (And maybe even Mithrandylan and Mark 79 may have blocked me, too.:jester:), I am just going to send this out to the internet.
To answer the "Is Marijuana is sinful for Catholics" question. The answer is, it depends.
If you are using MJ to get high and escape from reality and your duty of state, then yes it is sinful.
If you are using MJ as medicine, then it is not sinful.
If you are using it for recreation, like you would use alcohol, then you have to know yourself well to determine the sinfulness. Maybe the question also depends on the civil laws in play at the time of use.
I just thought of a tangent thread that might be interesting to discuss. Maybe I will start it.:cowboy:
Please do not start another marijuana thread. In 2021 there were at least 4 such threads. Rarely does a multiplicity of threads on the same subject bear more or better fruit.My brain is random. It would be a thread of alcohol use during prohibition and how it affected the Catholic Church? I tried to look and see if there was already a thread, but I couldn't find one.
Please do not start another marijuana thread. In 2021 there were at least 4 such threads. Rarely does a multiplicity of threads on the same subject bear more or better fruit.
Agreed. It's why I barely participated this time. What's frustrating is that the Catholic theology regarding the matter can easily be summarized in two sentences, and it has been summarized early in this thread and so it needn't have continued.How would someone know if they have a sufficient justification for lesser impairment? E.g alcohol use for joy, alcohol to help socialise etc?
Theologians agree that taking a substance to the point of completely losing control of your higher faculties (to where you can no longer engage in moral reasoning) is grave sin ... without a grave justification for it (e.g. surgery, relief of extreme pain, etc.), and that lesser degrees of impairment of those faculties can be justified (i.e. not sinful) for proportionately less grave reasons. If these "incomplete" impairments (their term) are not justified for such proportionate reasons, they'd be venial sins.
Done.
If you want to add a third sentence it's that certain extrinsic considerations can render its use gravely evil, such as if I am risking my job (at a place where randoms are taken), or risking prison, or taking one of those substances that can cause instant addiction to the point where people ruin their lives over it, or even just breaking a just law without (again) proportionately serious reason.
What a waste of time. I submit it's due to a lot of Traditoinal Catholics in the US being somewhat poisoned by Puritanical attitudes, something which we saw also on some other threads. I doubt we'd be having this debate in, say, most of Europe or Latin America.
What a waste of time. I submit it's due to a lot of Traditoinal Catholics in the US being somewhat poisoned by Puritanical attitudes, something which we saw also on some other threads. I doubt we'd be having this debate in, say, most of Europe or Latin America.This is what appears so odd to us in american movies. If someone drinks, he's systematically portrayed as an alcoholic. Having a drinking age set at 21 is very extreme. And having drinking exclusively in places where children aren't allowed means that there is no gradual build up to reasonable adult drinking.