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Re: Marijuana use sinful for Catholics?
« Reply #270 on: March 12, 2022, 06:43:13 PM »
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  • This thread.

    "Be not therefore solicitous for tomorrow; for the morrow will be solicitous for itself. Sufficient for the day is the evil thereof." [Matt. 6:34]

    "In all thy works remember thy last end, and thou shalt never sin." [Ecclus. 7:40]

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    Re: Marijuana use sinful for Catholics?
    « Reply #271 on: March 12, 2022, 06:53:32 PM »
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  • it's very typical cathinfo, along with those threads that are:

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    Re: Marijuana use sinful for Catholics?
    « Reply #272 on: March 12, 2022, 06:58:10 PM »
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  • What an arrogant B.S.-er.

    Unable to muster any serious evidence, you offer only innuendo.

    You talk like you will be sitting in the Judgment Seat.
    Just asking you two simple questions over and over which apparently you are afraid of answering, instead you take out your frustrations by attacking Meg, a lady, not very noble.  Man up, what are you afraid of?

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    I figured I was talking to a man with conviction that practices what he preaches. Or are you just all talk? Where the rubber meets the road how has what you preach worked with your children? Or are you recommending other parents do something you do not practice on your children?

    What I just wrote is as clear as day, but I'll even spell it out for you:  your saying you tolerate "responsible" recreational use of marijuana is bad advice for young people, it is akin to saying that you tolerate touching, fondling, French kissing, but you are against pre-marital sex.

    Do you have children or grandchildren using marijuana "recreationally" M79?

    How do you know that they are using it "appropriately" and that they are not prone to "substance abuse"?



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    Re: Marijuana use sinful for Catholics?
    « Reply #273 on: March 12, 2022, 06:59:31 PM »
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  • Using personal attacks to complain about personal attacks?
    I have known Mark 79 personally for many years.  I can and do hereby attest to his upright moral integrity as a devoutly traditional Roman Catholic and a dedicated family man.  I believe that God has blessed him with a keen intellect which he has not let go to waste.  Moreover, I can personally attest to his being a man with strong and godly convictions -- one who is not afraid out of human respect, or otherwise, to hide them under the proverbial bushel basket.  Indeed, he has a godly fighting spirit!

    God uses us mere humans in diverse ways to bring forth the truth/light out of darkness, knowing all the while that it will very often be rejected -- sometimes even out of hand -- by those that should know better.

    It is my well considered belief that Mark 79 has by the grace of God been called in a special way to expose the Sуηαgσgυє of Satan (SS), that exceedingly evil collective entity that bows down before the Prince of this World as it takes their marching orders/directives from Satan and his wicked angelic agents.  In the process of exposing the SS -- sometimes with much erudition and sometimes with a simple straight forward bluntness -- by laying bare their non-stop subterfuges and hellish machinations he has inevitably taken a lot of heat/abuse.  Aside from everything else, his godly righteous motivations are often questioned and or distorted/mischaracterized.  Such is his fate which over the course of time  appears to have actually helped to only make him stronger in his Christian resolve.

    As for the above comment by Last Tradhican, the clear implication of which is to undermine one of Mark 79's manners of responding to criticism, it should be obvious that every man has a right to defend his reputation, that right being subservient to his right to know, love, and serve God.  Even the God-Man himself (who always acted in a virtuous way and who we as Christians are supposed to strive to imitate) did so on more than one occasion.  Consult the various times in the life of Christ where He stood His ground and counter-attacked with great force those who sought to besmirch his reputation.  And yes, He did not shy away from administering very strong verbal personal attacks.)

    Know, that I will not be drawn into any counter-responses.  All that I have stated above has been in a spirit of truth and equanimity.


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    Re: Marijuana use sinful for Catholics?
    « Reply #274 on: March 12, 2022, 08:27:56 PM »
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  • Charity- I don't know you or Mark 79. Everyone here is operating from behind an electronic curtain, so- to speak. However, if what you say is true about Mark 79, then I do apologize for accusing him of being phony and a crypto jew. In spite of that, the steady, consistent diet of what the SS is up to is really(my opinion) in a  sense a diversion of time and energy best spent on prayer and reparation. To know what the SS is up to and wants for every catholic individually and for the church as a whole, study the crucifix and passion Christ. Thats all that is necessary.   If Catholics pray like they mean it and were praying like they mean it, the SS would have very little success against the church.
     Also, in spite of your testimony to the upright moral integrity of Mark 79, I would never associate with him because of his reckless position on smoking pot. There is nothing upright about the destruction caused by smoking pot. Studies don't change reality. By the way, how many of those peer reviewed  studies on pot were done by members of the tribe? The military, civil service jobs and Mark 79's own job prohibit pot use because it is not harmless.  I don't see how someone can "tolerate" this destructive vice connected with loose morals and souls existing out side the state of grace and call themselves catholic.  


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    Re: Marijuana use sinful for Catholics?
    « Reply #275 on: March 12, 2022, 09:14:24 PM »
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  • Charity- I don't know you or Mark 79. Everyone here is operating from behind an electronic curtain, so- to speak. However, if what you say is true about Mark 79, then I do apologize for accusing him of being phony and a crypto Jєω. In spite of that, the steady, consistent diet of what the SS is up to is really(my opinion) in a  sense a diversion of time and energy best spent on prayer and reparation. To know what the SS is up to and wants for every catholic individually and for the church as a whole, study the crucifix and passion Christ. Thats all that is necessary.  If Catholics pray like they mean it and were praying like they mean it, the SS would have very little success against the church.
    Also, in spite of your testimony to the upright moral integrity of Mark 79, I would never associate with him because of his reckless position on smoking pot. There is nothing upright about the destruction caused by smoking pot. Studies don't change reality. By the way, how many of those peer reviewed  studies on pot were done by members of the tribe? The military, civil service jobs and Mark 79's own job prohibit pot use because it is not harmless.  I don't see how someone can "tolerate" this destructive vice connected with loose morals and souls existing out side the state of grace and call themselves catholic. 

    My friend, Charity, is more generous in his praise than I deserve. 'nuff said.

    @GTD I put no demand or expectation on what you choose to do. If you want to live on your knees, that is your choice and perhaps what God wants for you.  Just as you don't have to be a clone of me, I do not—and am not—a clone of you.

    For Meg, "activism" evokes leftism. Remarkably stupid for someone who should know the meaning of CATHOLIC ACTION.

    After already having answered her question "why?" she asked it again.  In every case of activism I mentioned previously, the answer has been "circuмstances" and "If I don't, who will?"

    An example. A 12-year-old altar boy that I knew well was so brutally sodomized by our pastor, a priest who ate at our dinner table, that the boy needed emergency rectal surgery. My friends, the parents, reported the priest. The Bishop paid the boy's medical bills and promised that the priest would never be around children again. 6 months later the patents discovered that the priest was teaching at a Catholic grammar school. THAT was when the parents told me about it. That priest has not spent a nano-second in a police station. He is living comofrtably with his catamite in his Hawaiian beach condo. THAT is when I became an anti-sodomite activist and joined shoulder-to-shoulder with one of my other friends here at CI to fight the pederast plague in the Dioceses of Oakland and San Jose. The cops were called on us plenty of times. Two dioceses stationed security guards to prevent us from picketing and leafleting, but they could never quite predict which parish we'd choose Sunday after Sunday/ If not me, who? If not him, who? Why not YOU?

    Similarly, the pain of others awoke me about MJ. You call me reckless. I call you CRUEL. You are so damn high and mighty that you place your rabid prejudices about MJ before the needs of others. You, Meg, and the jerk who laughs ("LOL") about dragging our children into his rabies find all manner of excuses to rationalize your denial of the medical benefits of MJ.

    You pretend I am hoisted on my own petard because I mention that I can be drug tested at any moment.  You pretend that the law proves the risk.  By such asinine and anti-Catholic illogic, the law then justifies abortion, sodomite marriage, and genetic bioweapon mandates, as also slavery was the law of the land.

    If you really believe that .gov/.zog "malum prohibitum" law defines what is right and wrong, you are the enemy of every practicing Catholic.

    "Studies don't change reality"??? Neither do your faction's rabid delusions change the reality of medical benefit for the long list of diseases I have mentioned–and backed up with serious evidence since my first post in this thread.  If a man tells you his seizures are gone, his rectal bleeding has stopped, he is no longer vomiting, he has been able to stop Fentanyl patches and Oxycontin, yet you and Meg can spit in his face saying that his "intent is just to get high," you are CRUEL and WICKED MONSTERS. As my year of hospitalization and rehab have well demonstrated, there is no shortage of pain in this world.  Who the hell are you to deny relief to anyone?

    I throw your insult back in your face.  Your pompous ignorant cruelty makes you a shame to Catholics.

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    Re: Marijuana use sinful for Catholics?
    « Reply #276 on: March 12, 2022, 09:35:21 PM »
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    Re: Marijuana use sinful for Catholics?
    « Reply #277 on: March 12, 2022, 10:50:53 PM »
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  • MJ is a plant, an herb, a God-created thing.  It's not inherently evil, as some of you are implying.  There are *certain* reasons why it can be used and this is well within Catholic moral theology.  Catholics distinguish and examine; protestants over-react and prohibit (see the disaster of prohibition laws).  We have to examine the subject rationally, but if you cannot, then abstain from the conversation.


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    Re: Marijuana use sinful for Catholics?
    « Reply #278 on: March 13, 2022, 03:44:31 AM »
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  • Your pompous ignorant cruelty makes you a shame to Catholics.
    I see the writer is still going after lady Meg, he writes volumes against her, but not man enough to answer 2 simple questions:

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    What I just wrote is as clear as day, but I'll even spell it out for you:  your saying you tolerate "responsible" recreational use of marijuana is bad advice for young people, it is akin to saying that you tolerate young single girls allowing themselves to be touched, hugged, fondled, French kissed, but you are against them fornicating.

    Do you have children or grandchildren using marijuana "recreationally" M79?

    How do you know that they are using it "appropriately" and that they are not prone to "substance abuse"?






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    Re: Marijuana use sinful for Catholics?
    « Reply #279 on: March 13, 2022, 04:09:18 AM »
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  • MJ is a plant, an herb, a God-created thing.  It's not inherently evil, as some of you are implying.  There are *certain* reasons why it can be used and this is well within Catholic moral theology. 
    So are Peyote, Hashish, Cocaine, and licking Cane toads. Notice I am only talking about recreational use of today's marijuana, which is not really a "God created thing", just like GMO corn and cocaine are not really a "God-created thing". One could say that there is nothing that at it's base is not God created, so the fact that it is God created means nothing. The devils were God created.

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    Re: Marijuana use sinful for Catholics?
    « Reply #280 on: March 13, 2022, 04:31:20 AM »
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  • (Meg you are) Remarkably stupid .... I call you CRUEL. You are so damn high and mighty that you place your rabid prejudices about MJ before the needs of others. ... asinine ... you are the enemy of every practicing Catholic....  Your pompous ignorant cruelty makes you a shame to Catholics.
    I have just been asking M79 two simple questions over and over which he apparently is afraid of answering, instead he chooses to take out his frustrations by attacking Meg, a lady. Not very noble.  It is obvious that he is just going for the easy batting practice pitches being thrown at him.

    I figured I was talking to a man with conviction that practices what he preaches. Or is he just all talk? Where the rubber meets the road how has what he preaches about recreational use of marijuana worked with his children? Or is he recommending other parents do something he does not practice on his own children?


    Simple questions, from a concerned parent.  


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    Re: Marijuana use sinful for Catholics?
    « Reply #281 on: March 13, 2022, 10:21:43 AM »
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  • Stop already, Mark 79. Your "side" is using the "medical benefit" of pot to justify legalizing recreational pot use. Deny smoking pot is most always connected with loose morals and name one holy and virtuous catholic on Earth now or ever that smoked pot for recreation. 



     As for CRUEL and WICKED MONSTERS, who mentioned spitting in anyone's face?  Only you. 

    As for your indirect insult about prayer, no I don't think catholic action is picketing and protesting. It's first and foremost what Jesus told Martha about her sister, Mary. Maybe you should try that activism, since you can't tell that a raunchy video is raunchy and doesn't deserve to be circulated. By the way, if I caught someone around my kid who circulated that kind of raunch, I would be highly suspicious about the individual and he  would know it immediately, very well. So keep your self righteous activism and have mercy on all the rest who are not so holy as your high and mighty self. 


    "Who the hell are you to deny relief to anyone?" I didn't say or imply that. You made a fake accusation that I implied or said that. You're dishonest. Are there all of a sudden no other natural ways to manage pain or treat disease?  Stop it. Your purpose is to use the medicinal benefit of pot  as a back door to legalizing pot.

      
    "Studies don't change reality"??? In other words, reality is different than what your studies say since you admit they don't change reality.  Neither do your faction's rabid delusions change the reality of medical benefit for the long list of diseases I have mentioned–and backed up with serious evidence since my first post in this thread.  If a man tells you his seizures are gone, his rectal bleeding has stopped, he is no longer vomiting, he has been able to stop Fentanyl patches and Oxycontin, yet you and Meg can spit in his face saying that his "intent is just to get high," you are CRUEL and WICKED MONSTERS. As my year of hospitalization and rehab have well demonstrated, there is no shortage of pain in this world.  CRUEL and WICKED MONSTERS

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    Re: Marijuana use sinful for Catholics?
    « Reply #282 on: March 13, 2022, 10:28:18 AM »
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  • I have just been asking M79 two simple questions over and over which he apparently is afraid of answering, instead he chooses to take out his frustrations by attacking Meg, a lady. Not very noble.  It is obvious that he is just going for the easy batting practice pitches being thrown at him.

    I figured I was talking to a man with conviction that practices what he preaches. Or is he just all talk? Where the rubber meets the road how has what he preaches about recreational use of marijuana worked with his children? Or is he recommending other parents do something he does not practice on his own children?


    Simple questions, from a concerned parent. 

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    Re: Marijuana use sinful for Catholics?
    « Reply #283 on: March 13, 2022, 12:25:10 PM »
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  • Stop already, Mark 79. Your "side" is using the "medical benefit" of pot to justify legalizing recreational pot use.  …

    A lie. I have been quite clear—and repeatedly so. Consistent with the relevant moral theology provided early in this thread, I TOLERATE and do NOT PROMOTE the recreational use of alcohol and MJ.

    Are you now accepting the appropriate and legitimate medical use of MJ?

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    Re: Marijuana use sinful for Catholics?
    « Reply #284 on: March 13, 2022, 01:00:45 PM »
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  • I TOLERATE and do NOT PROMOTE the recreational use of alcohol and MJ.
    What does that mean where the rubber meets the road, in one's own children? And how did it play out in that real world? M79 has not answered. Where the rubber meets the road how has what he preaches about recreational use of marijuana worked with his children? Or is he recommending other parents do something he does not practice on his own children? Simple questions, from a concerned parent


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    M79 saying that he tolerates "responsible" recreational use of marijuana is bad advice for young people, it is akin to saying that one tolerates young single girls allowing themselves to be touched, hugged, fondled, French kissed, but they are against them fornicating.


    Do you have children or grandchildren using marijuana "recreationally" M79?

    How do you know that they are using it "appropriately" and that they are not prone to "substance abuse"?