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Put in laymen’s terms: those people were already crap people [emphasis added] without the pot. It would’ve made not too much difference.

Thanks, Mark. For your balanced assessment. [You are most welcome!]

On a side note, SSPX priests classify the use of CBD, Delta 8 and THC all in one. With a doctor’s prescription it is licit. Otherwise, all are potentially mortally sinful.

Interestingly, the exhaustive list given earlier in this thread could be equally applied in the same fashion to the witchbox (Internet).

Clarity! Since Meg and Tradman were invoking their "pothead" relatives, I tried to be a bit more oblique, but, yes, you nailed it.

Part of psychiatric diagnosis involves assessing what drugs (licit or illicit) the patient prefers and avoids. For example, schizophrenics typically avoid MJ after they have tried it once, because it tends to disorganize their already muddled thinking and emoting. Schizophrenics tend to abuse alcohol and sedatives because, at higher doses, "downers" quiet them down. Manic patients prefer sedatives and avoid cocaine and  "speed." Depressed patients like "speed" and cocaine, and vary in their response to the different strains of MJ (some of which are activating and some of which are calming).

Certainly there are dysfunctional "potheads," but, as you say, most of them didn't start out quite right emotionally, mentally, or spiritually.

The way that Meg and Tradman have approached this subject is analogous to this—They see a guy road-raging in his Ford truck and conclude that Fords make people road rage.

When I entered this thread the first thing I noted "the risk of walking into the “beaten zone”*** of someone else's firefight…" fully knowing that there is no shortage anywhere of opinionated people who tendentiously hold to opinions no matter how much solid evidence weighs against their pre-judgment.

As you note, some lump the "monotherapies" (CBD alone, THC alone, etc.) with whole plant products and potent extracts. Such lumped generalizations are flawed. I will return to that subject when I answer Lad's questions.

Touché regarding the witchbox!  Tradman and Meg are rabid in attacking the dangers of MJ and are in foolish denial and/or diminution of the analogous risks of alcohol—and the internet that they are using.

They are like the priests who rail against the use of the internet—meanwhile even the SSPX has websites.

I have not read any of the studies, nor do I care one iota about any studies that say MJ is Ok to use, morally or physically. I am now in my late 60's and have seen first hand what marijuana does to people, and today the stuff is 10x more potent. Marijuana makes people lazy, they lose all drive. I would not defend its use because then my children will interpret that as that I am OK with it. Marijuana is excellent for one thing, and that is for seducing young women, a lot quicker than alcohol. Those of you defending MJ will likely have your daughters seduced with it and it will be your fault for not seeing your own stupidity.

The same applies to alcohol, it just takes a little more work to use it to seduce.

I consider both useless, and do not have the time to waste using them for any reason. MJ and alcohol make one an old man in their 30's. I got married at 47 with a girl that was 25, I could NEVER have done that if I had not been a young man.

But that's just me. To each his own.

i am(was) a distance runner who has run close to 70,000 in my life & I'm still at it. So much for the argument that MJ makes one lazy.

And btw-- I have been smoking MJ as long as I have been running. Has anyone in this forum run even 1 mile in the last 10 years??

A person who never does any excersize(sp?) is PLAIN LAZY.