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Centroamerica · « **Reply #5 on:** September 02, 2015, 03:23:04 PM »

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Maybe I'm incorrect, but I doubt the gang affiliation attributed with wearing a Rosary.

Yes. You are incorrect. There are gangs in America who have adopted the wearing of rosaries as a symbol of affiliation.

Ok, well name them. Usually when you tell somebody they are wrong you offer some sort of reason. I know members of all those groups I just put up there and a few more. I have seen and studied their secret docuмents and the meaning of their symbols. The gangster disciples use the star of David and pitch forks, the bloods use 5 point stars, the vice lords and black p stones use the pyramid and crescent moon and star, the Latin Kings are opposed to many Catholic customs and use the 5 point star also, the cobras use the diamond, 18th street uses the 18, etc and etc. Who uses the Rosary?

You can't just say that someone is incorrect without showing why? Who are the gangs using explicit Catholic symbols like the Rosary. Name one. And masons don't count.

Centroamerica · « **Reply #6 on:** September 02, 2015, 03:25:17 PM »

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Here in Phoenix the gangs use all sorts of Catholic symbols, not just items they wear but in their tattoos also. :barf: :barf: :barf:

But I doubt such force was necessary in the above mentioned incident.

Just because someone has a tatoo of the Virgin of Guadalupe doesn't mean that their tatoo is gang related, even if the person is gang related.

Have you ever asked them? I have.

Take for example the prayer hands clasping a Rosary, popular among gang members, but not associated in any way with their gang symbols.

Matto · « **Reply #7 on:** September 02, 2015, 03:50:08 PM »

I noticed a few years ago that many young people including many blacks were wearing rosaries around their necks for some reason.

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #8 on:** September 02, 2015, 05:17:42 PM »

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Maybe I'm incorrect, but I doubt the gang affiliation attributed with wearing a Rosary.

Yes. You are incorrect. There are gangs in America who have adopted the wearing of rosaries as a symbol of affiliation.

I was a volunteer at the local juvenile hall for several years, during which time I saw the transition in L.A. from giving out rosaries to the prisoners and praying the Rosary with them, to no more praying the Rosary allowed and instead we were supposed to LISTEN to them, to no more rosaries being distributed at all.

The reason for stopping the distribution was that it had become commonplace in all of the penal detention system in California for prisoners to use the wearing of a rosary as some kind of silent message or gang affiliation or act of aggression or violation of territorial rights or whatever. The point is, fighting was breaking out over someone wearing a rosary in a place where someone else interpreted it as a sign of effrontery or insult or disrespect (they say "dis" like, "he dissed me").

So here in the Southwest (and apparently that now includes Texas!) there indeed is a connotation of gang affiliation with the wearing of a rosary as a necklace.

You can go online and find extremely expensive rosaries with beads made of gemstones, such as diamonds, and connecting chain, centerpiece and crucifix made of solid precious metal, such as sterling silver or 14 kt. gold. Some of them are up to and/or over $100,000. These are available because criminals who had become accustomed to having POWER in prison by wearing the rosary, once they get OUT, and resume their drug lord activity, finding themselves in financial position to afford more expensive accessories, have given over to lavish jewels in commemoration of their days in prison. Many of these costume-designer 'rosaries' do not have the correct number of beads, or are missing one decade so that the crucifix hangs higher and the spacing and lay of the NECKLACE looks more attractive. When I endeavored to ask about this they responded that it's not being used for prayers, only for wearing as a necklace, and that's why they look this way.

40 grand for a rosary with the wrong layout of beads so you can't pray with it or even get it blessed? Some crosses have no INRI on them so they're not even a crucifix!

EVEN SO, this fact does not diminish the power of the Rosary to convert. St. Louis Marie Grignon de Montfort used his rosary as a kind of lasso, such that by placing it over the head of a subject and around his neck, and by gently pulling the rosary toward himself, he could literally 'drag' the person out of the clutches of the devil and bring him to repentance. He did this numerous times. And it would not at all surprise me if it can be done as well today -- just make sure you're in the state of grace when you attempt to do it, and provide for the near access to a good priest in due course.

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Neil Obstat · « **Reply #9 on:** September 02, 2015, 05:27:53 PM »

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Quote from: Marlelar
Here in Phoenix the gangs use all sorts of Catholic symbols, not just items they wear but in their tattoos also. :barf: :barf: :barf:

But I doubt such force was necessary in the above mentioned incident.

Just because someone has a tatoo of the Virgin of Guadalupe doesn't mean that their tatoo is gang related, even if the person is gang related.

Have you ever asked them? I have.

Take for example the prayer hands clasping a Rosary, popular among gang members, but not associated in any way with their gang symbols.

I know a man who has a rosary prominently tattooed on his left upper arm as if it is strung around above the elbow. He is not Catholic, doesn't have any idea how to pray the Rosary, never has prayed it, and has no desire to learn how to pray it.

The only reason he wears this tattoo is because it was a popular thing to do and he thought it looked cool, and so he got one. Period. No gang affiliation, no hidden meaning, no desire to learn anything about anything.

So now, if he goes to Texas, will he have a problem with the local Sheriff's Deputy standing guard at some silly gate somewhere? What's he going to do, require that the tattoo be removed before he can enter the venue he's already paid for?

When officials try to make rules to circuмvent gang activity, they're fighting a losing battle because the gang members can always switch to some other thing to show their affiliation. How they walk, what words they use, the color of their shirt or pants, THE WAY THEY TIE THEIR SHOELACES, there is no end to the things they come up with, and you can't go around making rules against all of them.

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