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« on: September 02, 2015, 09:13:01 AM »
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  • Amarillo, TX — Jacob Herrera, 14, was going to his middle school’s Wednesday night football game, when he was arrested for wearing a rosary.

    When Herrera arrived at the game he was approached by Corporal Wilson of the Amarillo Police Department, who asked him to remove his rosary.

    Allegedly Herrera refused to remove the rosary at which point, according to witness, Marivell Chavez, he was brought to the ground. During the struggle on the ground Herrera was apparently yelling out, “Call my mom” and “I can’t breathe”!

    “You know he handcuffed him and then crossed him across the street right there and slammed him again and he repeatedly slammed the child on the floor,” Chavez tells Channel 10 News.

    The APD says that this is not how the incident happened. They say that 14-year-old Herrera refused to comply with the officer’s commands and resisted arrest.

    “He was fighting with the officer, he wouldn’t comply with the commands, he wouldn’t put his arms behind his back. The officer used a couple of different compliance holds to try and get him to put his hands behind his back, he did not deploy his taser, he just tried to get him under control they rolled around on the ground for several minutes,” says Cpl Jerry Neufeld.

    Apparently kids wearing rosaries is a sign of being involved in a gang.

    “We are not indicating that this is the case in this particular incident but that sometimes our youth are using rosary beads as a sign of gang affiliation or some gang apparel again we are not saying that’s what it is, but we have seen it with others here in the United States,” says Cpl Neufeld.

    According to Herrera’s mother, Lori Martinez, her son was wearing the rosary as a tribute to his deceased brother and has nothing to do with being a gang member.

    “My son passed away two years ago, in 2012 and he was teaching Jacob, you know about god and how you know, he should wear the rosary to protect him, so Jacob believes that that rosary protects him and it’s in remembrance of his brother,” said Martinez.

    As of Friday, Herrera is still in police custody for his alleged “criminal activity.” He is being held at the Youth Center of High Plains. Thursday parent witnesses and students wore rosaries as a symbol for the release of Herrera.

    “I just want justice for my son and for them to let him go,” says Martinez.

     


    Read more at http://thefreethoughtproject.com/middle-school-student-assaulted-arrested-jail-wearing-rosary-football-game/#mVcGP5XUoxeepBDm.99
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    « Reply #1 on: September 02, 2015, 09:27:26 AM »
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  • It is an unfortunate fact that the article is correct in that some criminal gangs have been wearing rosaries as a sign of gang affiliation.  

    If this is an area where gang activity is high, the officer had reason to suspect criminal activity, especially if the boy really did resist.  This is a sad reality of the day.


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    « Reply #2 on: September 02, 2015, 10:21:23 AM »
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    It is an unfortunate fact that the article is correct in that some criminal gangs have been wearing rosaries as a sign of gang affiliation.  

    If this is an area where gang activity is high, the officer had reason to suspect criminal activity, especially if the boy really did resist.  This is a sad reality of the day.



    Maybe I'm incorrect, but I doubt the gang affiliation attributed with wearing a Rosary.  I heard this rumor when I was in San Salvador, but I wore my Rosary anyways.  There is some sort of a trend associated with it, but I wore it so I wouldn't lose it.  I eventually did lose it on my way to Mass for the very reason that it wasn't around my neck (and it was a nice wooden one of the Virgin of Guadalupe that I haven't been able to find since).  Even if underneath my shirt not to be sporting it as a fad, but to know always where it was...my Mom taught me since a kid not to wear the Rosary, that it wasn't for that, but anybody who has read the Secret of the Rosary remembers the story of the king who wore the Rosary but never prayed it and was given a second chance by Our Lady....

    It's only a trend that is not associeted with any gang that I know of...bloods, crips, vice lords, GDs, Latin Kings, MS 13, sureños, 18th street...none of them have wearing the Rosary as an indicator of affiliation.  I'm no expert, but that's my opinion based on what I've seen, which is unfortunately probably more than some...


    On the good side, the fact that this kid is being detained and punished for the mere fact of wearing his Rosary, may actually serve to make him more devoted to the Rosary...at least that is what I have seen in the past.
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    « Reply #3 on: September 02, 2015, 02:11:18 PM »
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  • Here in Phoenix the gangs use all sorts of Catholic symbols, not just items they wear but in their tattoos also. :barf: :barf: :barf:

    But I doubt such force was necessary in the above mentioned incident.

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    « Reply #4 on: September 02, 2015, 03:11:32 PM »
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    Maybe I'm incorrect, but I doubt the gang affiliation attributed with wearing a Rosary.


    Yes.  You are incorrect.  There are gangs in America who have adopted the wearing of rosaries as a symbol of affiliation.  


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    « Reply #5 on: September 02, 2015, 03:23:04 PM »
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    Maybe I'm incorrect, but I doubt the gang affiliation attributed with wearing a Rosary.


    Yes.  You are incorrect.  There are gangs in America who have adopted the wearing of rosaries as a symbol of affiliation.  



    Ok, well name them.  Usually when you tell somebody they are wrong you offer some sort of reason.  I know members of all those groups I just put up there and a few more.  I have seen and studied their secret documents and the meaning of their symbols.  The gangster disciples use the star of David and pitch forks, the bloods use 5 point stars, the vice lords and black p stones use the pyramid and crescent moon and star, the Latin Kings are opposed to many Catholic customs and use the 5 point star also, the cobras use the diamond, 18th street uses the 18, etc and etc.  Who uses the Rosary?

    You can't just say that someone is incorrect without showing why?  Who are the gangs using explicit Catholic symbols like the Rosary.  Name one.  And masons don't count.
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    « Reply #6 on: September 02, 2015, 03:25:17 PM »
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    Here in Phoenix the gangs use all sorts of Catholic symbols, not just items they wear but in their tattoos also. :barf: :barf: :barf:

    But I doubt such force was necessary in the above mentioned incident.



    Just because someone has a tatoo of the Virgin of Guadalupe doesn't mean that their tatoo is gang related, even if the person is gang related.

    Have you ever asked them?  I have.


    Take for example the prayer hands clasping a Rosary, popular among gang members, but not associated in any way with their gang symbols.  
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    « Reply #7 on: September 02, 2015, 03:50:08 PM »
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  • I noticed a few years ago that many young people including many blacks were wearing rosaries around their necks for some reason.
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    « Reply #8 on: September 02, 2015, 05:17:42 PM »
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    Maybe I'm incorrect, but I doubt the gang affiliation attributed with wearing a Rosary.


    Yes.  You are incorrect.  There are gangs in America who have adopted the wearing of rosaries as a symbol of affiliation.  


    I was a volunteer at the local juvenile hall for several years, during which time I saw the transition in L.A. from giving out rosaries to the prisoners and praying the Rosary with them, to no more praying the Rosary allowed and instead we were supposed to LISTEN to them, to no more rosaries being distributed at all.  

    The reason for stopping the distribution was that it had become commonplace in all of the penal detention system in California for prisoners to use the wearing of a rosary as some kind of silent message or gang affiliation or act of aggression or violation of territorial rights or whatever.  The point is, fighting was breaking out over someone wearing a rosary in a place where someone else interpreted it as a sign of effrontery or insult or disrespect (they say "dis" like, "he dissed me").  

    So here in the Southwest (and apparently that now includes Texas!) there indeed is a connotation of gang affiliation with the wearing of a rosary as a necklace.

    You can go online and find extremely expensive rosaries with beads made of gemstones, such as diamonds, and connecting chain, centerpiece and crucifix made of solid precious metal, such as sterling silver or 14 kt. gold.   Some of them are up to and/or over $100,000.   These are available because criminals who had become accustomed to having POWER in prison by wearing the rosary, once they get OUT, and resume their drug lord activity, finding themselves in financial position to afford more expensive accessories, have given over to lavish jewels in commemoration of their days in prison.  Many of these costume-designer 'rosaries' do not have the correct number of beads, or are missing one decade so that the crucifix hangs higher and the spacing and lay of the NECKLACE looks more attractive.  When I endeavored to ask about this they responded that it's not being used for prayers, only for wearing as a necklace, and that's why they look this way.

    40 grand for a rosary with the wrong layout of beads so you can't pray with it or even get it blessed?  Some crosses have no INRI on them so they're not even a crucifix!  


    EVEN  SO, this fact does not diminish the power of the Rosary to convert.  St. Louis Marie Grignon de Montfort used his rosary as a kind of lasso, such that by placing it over the head of a subject and around his neck, and by gently pulling the rosary toward himself, he could literally 'drag' the person out of the clutches of the devil and bring him to repentance.  He did this numerous times.  And it would not at all surprise me if it can be done as well today -- just make sure you're in the state of grace when you attempt to do it, and provide for the near access to a good priest in due course.

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    « Reply #9 on: September 02, 2015, 05:27:53 PM »
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    Here in Phoenix the gangs use all sorts of Catholic symbols, not just items they wear but in their tattoos also. :barf: :barf: :barf:

    But I doubt such force was necessary in the above mentioned incident.



    Just because someone has a tatoo of the Virgin of Guadalupe doesn't mean that their tatoo is gang related, even if the person is gang related.

    Have you ever asked them?  I have.


    Take for example the prayer hands clasping a Rosary, popular among gang members, but not associated in any way with their gang symbols.  

    I know a man who has a rosary prominently tattooed on his left upper arm as if it is strung around above the elbow.  He is not Catholic, doesn't have any idea how to pray the Rosary, never has prayed it, and has no desire to learn how to pray it.

    The only reason he wears this tattoo is because it was a popular thing to do and he thought it looked cool, and so he got one.  Period.  No gang affiliation, no hidden meaning, no desire to learn anything about anything.  

    So now, if he goes to Texas, will he have a problem with the local Sheriff's Deputy standing guard at some silly gate somewhere?  What's he going to do, require that the tattoo be removed before he can enter the venue he's already paid for?

    When officials try to make rules to circumvent gang activity, they're fighting a losing battle because the gang members can always switch to some other thing to show their affiliation.  How they walk, what words they use, the color of their shirt or pants, THE WAY THEY TIE THEIR SHOELACES, there is no end to the things they come up with, and you can't go around making rules against all of them.  

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    « Reply #10 on: September 02, 2015, 05:33:21 PM »
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    I noticed a few years ago that many young people including many blacks were wearing rosaries around their necks for some reason.


    This kind of thing might be a fad that eventually wears off, but in the long run, I don't see it incredible that rosaries might become quite socially acceptable as an accessory to wear as a necklace in polite company.  

    Perhaps after the conversion of Russia and during the period of peace?

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    « Reply #11 on: September 02, 2015, 11:12:47 PM »
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    I noticed a few years ago that many young people including many blacks were wearing rosaries around their necks for some reason.


    I think a really good trernd would be for them to start praying the rosary.

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    « Reply #12 on: September 02, 2015, 11:15:57 PM »
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    Maybe I'm incorrect, but I doubt the gang affiliation attributed with wearing a Rosary.


    Yes.  You are incorrect.  There are gangs in America who have adopted the wearing of rosaries as a symbol of affiliation.  


    I was a volunteer at the local juvenile hall for several years, during which time I saw the transition in L.A. from giving out rosaries to the prisoners and praying the Rosary with them, to no more praying the Rosary allowed and instead we were supposed to LISTEN to them, to no more rosaries being distributed at all.  

    The reason for stopping the distribution was that it had become commonplace in all of the penal detention system in California for prisoners to use the wearing of a rosary as some kind of silent message or gang affiliation or act of aggression or violation of territorial rights or whatever.  The point is, fighting was breaking out over someone wearing a rosary in a place where someone else interpreted it as a sign of effrontery or insult or disrespect (they say "dis" like, "he dissed me").  

    So here in the Southwest (and apparently that now includes Texas!) there indeed is a connotation of gang affiliation with the wearing of a rosary as a necklace.

    You can go online and find extremely expensive rosaries with beads made of gemstones, such as diamonds, and connecting chain, centerpiece and crucifix made of solid precious metal, such as sterling silver or 14 kt. gold.   Some of them are up to and/or over $100,000.   These are available because criminals who had become accustomed to having POWER in prison by wearing the rosary, once they get OUT, and resume their drug lord activity, finding themselves in financial position to afford more expensive accessories, have given over to lavish jewels in commemoration of their days in prison.  Many of these costume-designer 'rosaries' do not have the correct number of beads, or are missing one decade so that the crucifix hangs higher and the spacing and lay of the NECKLACE looks more attractive.  When I endeavored to ask about this they responded that it's not being used for prayers, only for wearing as a necklace, and that's why they look this way.

    40 grand for a rosary with the wrong layout of beads so you can't pray with it or even get it blessed?  Some crosses have no INRI on them so they're not even a crucifix!  


    EVEN  SO, this fact does not diminish the power of the Rosary to convert.  St. Louis Marie Grignon de Montfort used his rosary as a kind of lasso, such that by placing it over the head of a subject and around his neck, and by gently pulling the rosary toward himself, he could literally 'drag' the person out of the clutches of the devil and bring him to repentance.  He did this numerous times.  And it would not at all surprise me if it can be done as well today -- just make sure you're in the state of grace when you attempt to do it, and provide for the near access to a good priest in due course.

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    St Dominic did something similar. He used to place the rosary around someone's neck in order to exorcise them.  

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    « Reply #13 on: September 07, 2015, 02:54:25 AM »
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    I haven't heard the particulars of this technique of the saints, but I suppose it might entail getting the permission of the subject to let you place the rosary over his head, otherwise you'd be risking a fight breaking out.  Like if you tried to do that with any of the growing number of publicly professing satanists these days, it would probably come to no good.

    Even a protestant so-called evangelical would likely fume and scoff at such an idea, forbidding you to come near with your rosary.

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    « Reply #14 on: September 07, 2015, 12:10:08 PM »
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    It is an unfortunate fact that the article is correct in that some criminal gangs have been wearing rosaries as a sign of gang affiliation.  

    If this is an area where gang activity is high, the officer had reason to suspect criminal activity, especially if the boy really did resist.  This is a sad reality of the day.



    Maybe I'm incorrect, but I doubt the gang affiliation attributed with wearing a Rosary.  I heard this rumor when I was in San Salvador, but I wore my Rosary anyways.  There is some sort of a trend associated with it, but I wore it so I wouldn't lose it.  I eventually did lose it on my way to Mass for the very reason that it wasn't around my neck (and it was a nice wooden one of the Virgin of Guadalupe that I haven't been able to find since).  Even if underneath my shirt not to be sporting it as a fad, but to know always where it was...my Mom taught me since a kid not to wear the Rosary, that it wasn't for that, but anybody who has read the Secret of the Rosary remembers the story of the king who wore the Rosary but never prayed it and was given a second chance by Our Lady....

    It's only a trend that is not associeted with any gang that I know of...bloods, crips, vice lords, GDs, Latin Kings, MS 13, sureños, 18th street...none of them have wearing the Rosary as an indicator of affiliation.  I'm no expert, but that's my opinion based on what I've seen, which is unfortunately probably more than some...


    On the good side, the fact that this kid is being detained and punished for the mere fact of wearing his Rosary, may actually serve to make him more devoted to the Rosary...at least that is what I have seen in the past.


    Are you in Texas?

    Years ago I was in Southern California and I saw numerous young men wearing a rosary or a large ornate cross but walking and carrying themselves in a menacing manner.  I thought to myself that they were far removed from Our Lord.



     

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