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Re: Flat Earth-curious
« Reply #120 on: January 08, 2022, 11:13:22 PM »
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  • Well, here's the thing about the side view you describe.  It puts the person on the top of the curve.  I was assuming the person would be on one side of the curve and the sun on the opposite side of the curve like the hill in your drawing.  That way the sun is getting "hidden behind the curve" like supposedly what happens at sunset.


     
    There is a bump between the person and the sun on ball earth.

    No bump, no hidden sun behind the curve.

    So the guy can't be standing on the top of the curve.

    I see what you are saying with the recessed ceiling light now.  Thanks!

    But the light is all around like the sunlight in the sky. 

    We are talking specifically about the "reflection" or sun glint...that shiny narrow line of light that extends across the water.

    It's a reflection that demonstrates the angle of the sun hitting the water.

    When the candle or flashlight is this high behind the paper towel the light will extend to the person on the other side of the hill/bump/curve.






    When the candle/flashlight is lower it looks very much like this.






    Except with the paper towel roll in the dark room the light does not reach to the other side of the curve.  It doesn't go over the bump.

    I don't know how to load photos or I would show it.

    The paper towel with the light behind it in a dark room looks just like this photo actually...it's a really good replication

    except the sunglint wouldn't reach over the curve to the feet of the photographer.  The photographer would be standing with total darkness at his feet.

    If the photographer stood on top of the curve he would still see the sun and it wouldn't be setting or "hiding behind the curve." Where is the horizon line?

    It wouldn't be "sinking down below the horizon line".

    For the sun to hide behind the curve,  there has to be a bump between the viewer and the sun on the ball earth.
    Miser, in the rotating GE model explanation for sunsets, you are at the "top" of the bump. Essentially, the earth rotating to the point where you can no longer see the sun itself is what creates the "bump" if that makes sense. If you can still see the sun, the sun can still cast light onto the water in front of you. Behind you could be obstructed by the bump though :)






    Mind you, these pictures are definitely not perfect. The sun is too close. The line of sight isn't exactly straight. Instead of showing the earth rotating, it looks like the sun is actually going down. This is a very rough interpretation of what is happening, but I believe it still gets the point across. As long as you have a visual on the sun, it can cast light on the water at your feet. When you can no longer see the sun, the "bump" is in the way.

    Paper towels do not reflect light in nice shiny rays like water does. A flashlight does not light up the surrounding area like the sun does. Looking directly into a flashlight just prevents you from being able to see exactly where the light is traveling. You kind of need the side view perspective in order to have a real idea of how the light is traveling. Actually from my experiments earlier, the light traveled further than I expected it to. Even when the flashlight was well below the onion/paper towel tube, it was still illuminating the top!

    Given that even a small flashlight can illuminate a significant percentage of the surface of the objects in question ABOVE where the beam is shining, I would imagine even a very tall person would have trouble seeing the sun after the light on the ground has disappeared. It seems to me that the sun throws light slightly past the bump. Probably you could observe this by viewing the sunlight as it illuminates the tops of mountains but not the valleys, or perhaps by watching the sun on a beach side building (a tall one lol).

    I may be wrong, but I would imagine that if you had a tall enough building at beach side, you might be able to watch as the bottom is slowly swallowed by darkness slightly before the rest. I have seen before how lower elevations get dark a lot sooner. This seems like a plausible extension of that.

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    Re: Flat Earth-curious
    « Reply #121 on: January 08, 2022, 11:15:45 PM »
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  • I've also studied physics and advanced math at University, bud.
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    You can find hours of footage proving without a doubt that NASA is one massive fraud.  What are they hiding?  Big Tech is ruthlessly censoring Flat Earth.  What are THEY hiding?

    High energy theories indeed fail to describe the universe but in the world "near us" all calculations are so damn precise. This is not a secret.

    Is NASA hiding stuff? You bet. But they do not lie about everything. Is the mixture of the truth and their fantasies.

    There is a simple homework for you. The Apollo 13 weighted ~50 tons. Plus it was carrying ~20 tons of propellant. (this is from official NASA website). Is it possible that it can reach moons orbit then leave it and come back to earth. Use the law of conservation of momentum as basis of calculations. Also lookup details about rocket engines. Can you do that?




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    Re: Flat Earth-curious
    « Reply #122 on: January 09, 2022, 12:46:17 AM »
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    If you stay the same speed, don't you mostly just feel the wobble of unlevel ground under your wheels +wind in your face?
    Lots of stuff to cover here but I'll do my best. 

    I'd rather talk about this than the other current events going on right now!  :D

    And you keep it fun and not contentious, so thank you for that!


    So if we spin at 1000mph why don't we feel 1000mph winds?


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    Water sticks to a ball the same way rocks and dust stick to other planets. We can see that other planets are definitely round. We can see that they have the same "gravity" mechanism that RE theories present for here on earth. We can see that the moon is covered with dust and rocks. 


    How do we know planets and the moon have rocks and dust?

    Here is a photo of a moon rock:


     


    Moon Rock Is Really Just Petrified Wood


    "A prize possession in the Dutch national museum is not what the curators thought. In 1969, three Apollo 11 astronauts visited the Netherlands. And the U.S. ambassador gave the Dutch prime minister what he said was a moon rock. When an expert saw the rock in the museum, he didn't think it was real. Geologists have identified the moon rock as petrified wood."
     
    https://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=112324216#:~:text=the%20curators%20thought.-,In%201969%2C%20three%20Apollo%2011%20astronauts%20visited%20the%20Netherlands.,moon%20rock%20as%20petrified%20wood.

    Ooops.  They pulled a fast one 'em!  LOL 


    It's no surprise because I don't know if you've looked into it but we never went to the moon.  NASA even says we can't send a man to Mars because they can't go past the Van Allen Belt so how did they get to the moon?  LOL :P

    Here are some of NASA's artists creating planet pictures for us.  They hire a lot of artists.  All of the "photos" of the earth and the planets are made by artists.  There's one thing they are honest about!

    https://www.bitchute.com/video/tEC2vxmkNIsb/

    Have you seen the video of planets amateurs are getting with their Nikon P1000 cameras?  They don't look at all like what NASA said.

    Here is one but there are many people doing this and finding amazing things:

    https://www.bitchute.com/video/ZwAv1OMrkAVt/

    We can see the moon is round but can we verify it's a ball?  Why has nobody seen the back side, especially if it's spinning?

    I think the terms round earth and globe earth can also describe the flat earth.  Flat earth models are round and with the firmament can create a globe.  I think Ball Earth is probably a better term for globe.

    Gravity works for large and small objects right?  So why can't we take a large ball and carve out a lake and a few ponds and fill them with water and spin it around?  


     
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    Supposedly a 6' tall human can see for about 3 miles on flat ground, but over 200 miles on top of Mount Everest (assuming no clouds get in the way). If I am wrong, feel free to let me know because I actually haven't been to Mt Everest to verify :laugh2:


    Lol.  Me neither. :)

    So how far out does a boat need to go to go over the curve?


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    Level vs curved is hard for me to explain lol. If you put 10 different levels, at say 100 miles apart, they would all show that they were level, despite the fact that they would be at slightly different angles when you compared them to each other.
    Hmmm...okay, is there any proof for this?  


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    As far as the constellations changing goes, my understanding is that we are going in a big rotation every year, and that we return to about the same place we started in at the end of the year. The constellations DO change throughout the year (look up stellar parallax) but it's very slight and probably not really noticable unless you have a way to measure it. We also do see different constellations depending on the time of the year! There are some that appear only in winter, some in summer, and I believe a few that are year round depending on your location!

    See to me, the "Wheel In The Sky" over flat earth explains this motion of the stars in the Heavens much better than this:

    2:08



    So not only is the earth spinning at 1000 mph but it's also:

    "moving about our sun in a very nearly circular orbit. covers this route at a speed of nearly 30 kilometers per second, or 67,000 miles per hour. In addition, our solar system--Earth and all--whirls around the center of our galaxy at some 220 kilometers per second, or 490,000 miles per hour."

    Zooming through the universe like a comet, always progressing forward (which is a Kabbalah belief--the solar system is a Kabbalah system), forward, but our zodiacs remain in the same rotation visible from earth for thousands of years? 

    Are the zodiacs zooming through space like comets too?  Always forward in the same exact trajectory as earth? 

    btw:  Know what else is based on Kabbalah?  Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ :O

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    Now if you tried to turn an Aussie plane to fly at the same angle as say... A plane in Canada... I don't think it would go very well. This is because it would no longer be flying parallel to the center of the earth.

    I've never heard of flying parallel to the center of the earth.

    I was a flight attendant and I asked pilots if the plane makes adjustments nose downward as we go over the curve and they told me no. 

    You would feel it if the plane was tilting nose downward. It would feel strange while you try to eat or watch a movie.  You can feel when a plane leans back during takeoff and you could also feel when a plane heads nose down but they never do the entire flight (unless something goes wrong!) .  They lean back but never forward.  Even while landing it's leaning back not forward.

    Planes fly straight across over the plane of the earth.   They "level out" at cruising altitude and fly a comfortable level path.  When you go to the bathroom you don't walk downward or back upward during the flight.  You don't lean forward in your seat during flight.  The plane is nice and flat---level.  The captain announces we are "leveling out". 

    And the nose down wouldn't be a subtle adjustment either.  Ships don't have to travel very far to "go over the curve" so the plane would be adjusting down the entire trip.  If you didn't, it would miss the curve and fly straight out into space wouldn't it?

    Also, how fast does the plane need to go to catch up with the 1000mph spin? 

    In the other direction can it just hover and let the earth spin below until it gets to it's destination?


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    I have seen some interpretations that say the firmament is an expanse, rather than a literal, physical, fish bowl style dome. My personal best guess is just that the firmament encloses basically everything we can possibly see or reach, and that heaven is on the other side of that.
    I can only make sense of this using the flat earth model.  The same one all the ancient civilizations used.  Have you seen those pictures Digital Logos posted?

    Douay-Rheims Bible  Gen 1:6

    And God said: Let there be a firmament made amidst the waters: and let it divide the waters from the waters.

    I can't see how the firmament would work with the solar system shooting like a comet through an ever expanding space like the video I posted above. ??

    So they want to make Christians look crazy because modern science trumps the Bible and Christians need to get with the times?

    Haven't we heard that one before?

    I mentioned this somewhere but when I asked one of the pilots why I couldn't see the curve from the cockpit view over the ocean and why we were flying over the arctic and other questions he told me I'd have to be a Freemason to know about that.   Hmm???

    I know they don't like their special "knowledge" getting out to the "profane" (loosers like us). :P












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    Re: Flat Earth-curious
    « Reply #123 on: January 09, 2022, 01:37:52 AM »
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  • If this is true and not a fake video, ask yourself why don’t people observe this on a daily basis? Why isn’t the internet rife with videos showing this?
    Here is one:

    FLAT EARTH - SUN ZOOM ELIMINATES CURVATURE

    1min 17sec
    https://www.bitchute.com/video/otFs7OM3SUet/


    So how many miles does a boat need to go to go over the curve of the earth?

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    Re: Flat Earth-curious
    « Reply #124 on: January 09, 2022, 08:15:10 AM »
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    Re: Flat Earth-curious
    « Reply #125 on: January 09, 2022, 10:23:49 AM »
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  • Here is one:

    FLAT EARTH - SUN ZOOM ELIMINATES CURVATURE

    1min 17sec
    https://www.bitchute.com/video/otFs7OM3SUet/


    So how many miles does a boat need to go to go over the curve of the earth?

    Miser, I appreciate your sincerity, but that video is *almost* worthless since it is so grainy and blurry. Is there anything out there that is clear and demonstrates what you and Ladislaus contend? There are many clear videos of the setting Sun that show it disappearing over the purported curve of the Earth.
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    Re: Flat Earth-curious
    « Reply #126 on: January 09, 2022, 10:29:32 AM »
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  • Well, the endless sun in both the arctic and Antarctic in summer is always in sunset mode, wouldn't that be correct? It's never full sun there, even in summer. I can see how that would lend itself to the idea of a ball earth, but it could work on a flat earth too, since on a flat earth, the sun still moves above and around the entirety of the earth in 24 hours, and could show a sunset mode in both the arctic and Antarctic, even though the Antarctic surrounds the earth.
    No, you'd need to have insane light propagation models for a local Sun to light the entire surrounding Antractican ring plus the day half of the known Earth while not lighting the night half. It's pretty much impossible, 24h Sun at the South Polar circle is impossible on a flat Earth.

    This is explained here: https://youtu.be/3WiHly5J6mM?t=408

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    Re: Flat Earth-curious
    « Reply #127 on: January 09, 2022, 10:37:12 AM »
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  • No, you'd need to have insane light propagation models for a local Sun to light the entire surrounding Antractican ring plus the day half of the known Earth while not lighting the night half. It's pretty much impossible, 24h Sun at the South Polar circle is impossible on a flat Earth.

    This is explained here: https://youtu.be/3WiHly5J6mM?t=408

    It might seem to have to be insane, yes, I understand that. But not impossible. We don't really know how it works exactly. And it will be difficult to provide you with an absolute working model for how it works, because it doesn't exist as yet. And it may not ever exist, unless NASA 'fesses up and tells the truth.

    Sorry, I didn't watch the video in the link. Unless it addresses the specific issue of how the sun cannot work on a flat earth (and provide sunset light for both the north and south pole), I'd rather not go to the trouble of viewing it. I already know that there is a sunset sun 24 hours a day in Antarctica. I don't dispute that.
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    Re: Flat Earth-curious
    « Reply #128 on: January 09, 2022, 10:50:35 AM »
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  • No, you'd need to have insane light propagation models for a local Sun to light the entire surrounding Antractican ring plus the day half of the known Earth while not lighting the night half. It's pretty much impossible, 24h Sun at the South Polar circle is impossible on a flat Earth.

    This is explained here: https://youtu.be/3WiHly5J6mM?t=408

    In thinking about it again, I have to wonder how it is that there could be enough sunlight to light up both the north and south pole on a ball earth model. After all, if you view the sunset sun in antarctica in summer, the sun doesn't look as if it's over the equator, but it would have to be, in order for the ball model to work, wouldn't that be right? It doesn't look like the sun is that far away. 
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    Re: Flat Earth-curious
    « Reply #129 on: January 09, 2022, 12:35:57 PM »
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    Re: Flat Earth-curious
    « Reply #130 on: January 09, 2022, 03:57:33 PM »
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  • I mentioned this somewhere but when I asked one of the pilots why I couldn't see the curve from the cockpit view over the ocean and why we were flying over the arctic and other questions he told me I'd have to be a Freemason to know about that.  Hmm???

    He's clearly just messing with you.
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    Re: Flat Earth-curious
    « Reply #131 on: January 09, 2022, 05:02:48 PM »
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  • Miser, I appreciate your sincerity, but that video is *almost* worthless since it is so grainy and blurry. Is there anything out there that is clear and demonstrates what you and Ladislaus contend? There are many clear videos of the setting Sun that show it disappearing over the purported curve of the Earth.

    I had a feeling you would say that. :)

    I don't know but I'll keep my eye out for one.

    There are many that show ships and oil rigs but I would need to know the answer to my question:

    How far out does a ship need to go to go over the curve and disappear?

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    Re: Flat Earth-curious
    « Reply #132 on: January 10, 2022, 01:14:51 AM »
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  • He's clearly just messing with you.


    Okay.

    If you say so.

    I'll go back to my couch, watch tv, and drool...




    But before I go...



    How many miles out does a ship need to get in order to go over the curve?

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    Re: Flat Earth-curious
    « Reply #133 on: January 10, 2022, 02:44:33 AM »
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  • I have read bits and pieces of these threads and most involve math or physics, so I tune out. But a flat earth makes no sense to me whatsoever. And it has been decades since I have even thought about this stuff, so take it for what you will.

    We have hills and valleys that are not "flat." The earth orbits around the sun in a period of 365 1/4 days, approx. We have the longest night of the year on the Winter Solstice, after which the days get longer. We have the shortest night on the Summer Solstice.

    The earth rotates around the sun and thus we have night and day and 4 seasons. Australia has its seasons opposite of Canada's, etc. The earth is tilted on its axis at 23.5 degrees and the moon orbits the earth like a satellite if you will. The moon follows around the curvature of the earth and doesn't crash into it because of the forces that are exuded by the earth (gravitational pull, if I remember correctly). 

    You can see the sun disappear below the horizon if you look across the ocean. If you happen to see a ship in the distance coming toward you, you will see the mast of the ship first, and then the ship will get bigger as it comes closer to you. If you read liquids in a measuring cup, you read them at the meniscus.

    I kind of think we are not meant to explore space, but that it obviously does exist. You might be able to travel a certain distance above the surface of the earth, but I think God has some way of restraining us from going beyond a certain point by a force, "glass ceiling" or a glass bubble around the entire earth. A bubble within a bubble if you will. So I don't think humans can get lost in space, but I would not want to go into space in the first place, in case I didn't return! Besides that, the G-forces to get there would be awful.

    I don't think humans have been to the moon, but it is very interesting to look at it if you have a telescope, or zoom in with your cellphone even. The moon contributes to the tides of the oceans. I don't think we are meant to go to the moon, and I don't think anyone is going to be living on mars. But I would love to send a few people to mars if we could! Line up a whole bunch of poliiticans, for starters...

    I don't think it is any sort of sin to believe the earth goes around the sun, nor to think the earth is a globe (round, an orb).

    I believe that Jesus Christ is King of the Universe. He has dominion over the earth. Canada's National Holiday on July 1, used to be called Dominion Day before it was renamed Canada Day. Every single picture of Jesus as King shows at least 1 item to identify He is a King. Those items of note are a Crown, (representing a King or Queen) a scepter, and an orb, which represents the earth. Our Lady is sometimes shown with a crown because she is Queen of Heaven and earth and is crowned in May, etc.

    Almost always the orb will have a simple gold crown around it that has a simple circular headpiece horizontally (which nicely represents the equator), and a vertical part of the crown that is in an arch and one half the radius of a circle. On top of that would be a cross, which represents Jesus died on a cross.

    The scepters I have seen, almost all, without exception, have a tiny orb and cross combo on top of it. 

    If Jesus Christ is King, then to deny otherwise is an error. If He is a King, then it is suitable he have a crown. It is also suitable that He has symbols to reflect His reign, the scepter to represent rule, ruling, or leadership, and the orb to represent His territory, or domain. What He has dominion over.

    So if the earth is flat, then why wouldn't He be shown holding a flat map of the earth? Flat earth sounds hokey to me and something someone came up with to deny the existence of God, not accept His Dominion, and to reject that Jesus Christ died on the cross. It sounds very much like a means to keep people from accepting basic things about God's creation, and to exude pride in wanting to know everything we may not be meant to know. I believe it is fine to use tools like satellites and telescopes, etc., but forget trying to "go into space."

    And I bet if someone took a poll, most people here would believe the earth is a globe, or round, an orb. Curious to know. And don't do some anonymous poll. I would want to see who thinks what, because it may help to understand where certain people are coming from.

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    Re: Flat Earth-curious
    « Reply #134 on: January 10, 2022, 03:07:07 AM »
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  •  If you happen to see a ship in the distance coming toward you, you will see the mast of the ship first, and then the ship will get bigger as it comes closer to you.

    At what distance?

    How many miles out?