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Offline HeidtXtreme

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Communion with Rome
« on: May 23, 2025, 08:56:54 AM »
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    • One of my friends who is coming to True Faith was in a discussion with their NO family member and that family member said “No Saint has ever been made out of communion with Rome”. How would one respond to this claim given the current Crisis?
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    Offline DecemRationis

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    Re: Communion with Rome
    « Reply #1 on: May 23, 2025, 10:13:05 AM »
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    • I think there's a Bergolio quote out there about non-Catholic "martyrs" for the faith, etc. I'm not wasting my time to look it up, but that would be a good rejoinder worth looking into to respond to one who considers those who were in communion with Bergolio as in communion with Rome. 
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    Rom. 3:25 Whom God hath proposed to be a propitiation, through faith in his blood, to the shewing of his justice, for the remission of former sins" 

    Apoc 17:17 For God hath given into their hearts to do that which pleaseth him: that they give their kingdom to the beast, till the words of God be fulfilled.

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    Re: Communion with Rome
    « Reply #2 on: May 23, 2025, 10:24:32 AM »
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    • Quote from: DecemRationis on May 23, 2025, 10:13:05 AM
    I think there's a Bergolio quote out there about non-Catholic "martyrs" for the faith, etc. I'm not wasting my time to look it up, but that would be a good rejoinder worth looking into to respond to one who considers those who were in communion with Bergolio as in communion with Rome.
    It was the 21 Coptic Orthodox, executed by Jihadists. Bergoglio added them to the Roman Martyrology.
     
    The Council of Florence could not be more explicit in condemning the notion that they are Catholic saints

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    It firmly believes, professes and preaches that all those who are outside the catholic church, not only pagans but also Jews or heretics and schismatics, cannot share in eternal life and will go into the everlasting fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels, unless they are joined to the catholic church before the end of their lives; that the unity of the ecclesiastical body is of such importance that only for those who abide in it do the church’s sacraments contribute to salvation and do fasts, almsgiving and other works of piety and practices of the Christian militia produce eternal rewards; and that nobody can be saved, no matter how much he has given away in alms and even if he has shed his blood in the name of Christ, unless he has persevered in the bosom and the unity of the catholic church.

    Bergoglio also said:
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    These martyrs were baptized not only with water and the Spirit, but also in blood, in a blood that is the seed of unity for all followers of Christ
    Wow! They received not one, but two baptisms
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    Re: Communion with Rome
    « Reply #3 on: May 23, 2025, 11:01:20 AM »
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    • Quote from: HeidtXtreme on May 23, 2025, 08:56:54 AM
    One of my friends who is coming to True Faith was in a discussion with their NO family member and that family member said “No Saint has ever been made out of communion with Rome”. How would one respond to this claim given the current Crisis?
    Your friend is off a bit.....your friend means to say "no saint has ever been made outside of the Church," which is of course the truth because that, after all, is the dogma. So I would say that first, you have to explain the difference. 
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    Re: Communion with Rome
    « Reply #4 on: May 23, 2025, 11:21:33 AM »
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    • Communion with which Rome?  Catholic Rome or Conciliar Rome?       
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