Oh by the way your praying for Christ to end my racial hatred means nothing to me since your view of religion is a species of Marxism that promotes racial and social equality while my view is that Christ was a revolutionary who was the greatest enemy of the Jews and Jєωιѕн capitalism, therefore his foes are my foes.

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When I said that Traditional Guy 20's comments were borderline psychotic, I was focusing on the following:

"Closet Jew means you are a useful Goy who wishes to see the white race bastardised by Negro blood."

Along with a few other quotes of similar caliber, such as this:

"Just as a liger in nature will be sterile along with sick and weak in the wild and a mule will also be sterile and sick and weak in the wild, mixed races such as a mulatto will be inferior to the higher race."

The Mulatto Blessed Martin de Porres (d. 1639)

Blessed Martin de Porres was born in 1579 in Lima, the illegitimate son of a Spanish nobleman; his mother, of Negro and Indian blood, was a freed slave. He became a lay brother in the Dominican Order and was assigned as infirmarian. Fray Martin was raised to the highest state of union with God. He was often seen levitating, had frequent visions, raised a dead man to life, cured the sick, bi-located, and conversed with animals. He was known for his heroic charity. He and his holy sister founded a hospice for the sick/poor. It is also related that a light constantly shone round about him. He died in 1639 at the age of seventy.

"The startling miracles, which caused Martin to be called a saint in his own lifetime, continue today at his intercession. He lived a life of almost constant prayer, and practiced remarkable austerities. He worked at hard and menial tasks without ever losing a moment of union with God. His charity, humility, and obedience were extraordinary--even for a saint. Such was the veneration for Martin that the canonical inquiry into his cause was begun in 1660 (Attwater, Cavallini, Delaney, Dorcy, Farmer, Walsh, White)."

Prayers/Commemorations

First Vespers:Ant. Strengthen by holy intercession, O Martin, confessor of the Lord, those here present, have we who are burdened with the weight of our offenses may be relieved by the glory of thy blessedness, and may by thy guidance attain eternal rewards.
V. Pray for us, Blessed Martin.
R. That we may be made worthy of the promises of Christ.
 
Lauds:
Ant. Well done, good and faithful servant, because Thou hast been faithful in a few things, I will set thee over many, sayeth the Lord.
V. The just man shall blossom like the lily.
R. And shall flourish forever before the Lord.
 
Second Vespers:
Ant. I will liken him unto a wise man, who built his house upon a rock..
V. Pray for us. Blessed Martin.
R. That we may be made worthy of the promises of Christ.
Prayer:
Let us Pray: O God, who exaltest the humble, and midst make Blessed Martin Thy Confessor, pass to the heavenly kingdom, grant through his merits and intercession that we may so imitate his humility on earth as to deserve to be exalted with him in heaven. Through Christ our Lord. Amen.

Prayer to Blessed Martin de Porres

To you Blessed Martin de Porres we prayerfully lift up our hearts filled with serene confidence and devotion. Mindful of your unbounded and helpful charity to all levels of society and also of your meekness and humility of heart, we offer our petitions to you. Pour out upon our families the precious gifts of your solicitous and generous intercession; show to the people of every race and every color the paths of unity and of justice; implore from our Father in heaven the coming of his kingdom, so that through mutual benevolence in God men may increase the fruits of grace and merit the rewards of eternal life. Amen.

The Litany of Blessed Martin de Porres

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Lord, have mercy,
Christ have mercy on us.
Lord, have mercy. Christ, here us.
Christ, graciously hear us,
God the Father of Heaven,
have mercy on us.
God the Son, Redeemer of the world,
have mercy on us.
God, the Holy Ghost,
have mercy on us.
Holy Trinity, One God,
have mercy on us.

Holy Mary, Queen of the Most Holy Rosary,
Pray for us.
Blessed Martin, ever in the presence of God,
Pray for us.
Blessed Martin, faithful servant of Christ, etc.
Blessed Martin, lover of the Holy Eucharist,
Blessed Martin, devoted to our Blessed Mother,
Blessed Martin, spiritual patron of Americans,
Blessed Martin, raised from the depths to a heavenly mansion,
Blessed Martin, honored son of Saint Dominic,
Blessed Martin, lover of the Most Holy Rosary,
Blessed Martin, apostle of mercy,
Blessed Martin, winged minister of charity,
Blessed Martin, miraculously conveyed to far-distant lands,
Blessed Martin, freed from the barriers of time and space,
Blessed Martin, seeking the conversion of sinners,
Blessed Martin, protector of the tempted and repentant,
Blessed Martin, helper of souls in doubt and darkness,
Blessed Martin, compassionate to the sorrowful and afflicted,
Blessed Martin, consoler of the discouraged and unfortunate,
Blessed Martin, peacemaker in all discords,
Blessed Martin, touched by all suffering,
Blessed Martin, comforter of the sick and dying,
Blessed Martin, angel to hospitals and prisons,
Blessed Martin, worker of miraculous cures,
Blessed Martin, guardian of the homeless child,
Blessed Martin, humbly hiding God-given powers,
Blessed Martin, devoted to holy poverty,
Blessed Martin, model of obedience,
Blessed Martin, lover of heroic penance,
Blessed Martin, strong in self-denial,
Blessed Martin, performing menial tasks with holy ardor,
Blessed Martin, gifted with prophecy,
Blessed Martin, symbol of interracial brotherhood,
 

Lamb of God, Who takest away the sins of the world,
Spare us, O Lord.
Lamb of God, Who takest away the sins of the world,
Graciously hear us, O Lord.
Lamb of God, Who takest away the sins of the world,
Have mercy on us.
 

V. Pray for us, Blessed Martin,
R. That we may be made worthy of the promises of Christ.

Let Us Pray.
O God, the exalter of the humble, Who didst make Blessed Martin, Thy confessor, to enter the heavenly Kingdom, grant through his merits and intercession that we may so follow the example of his humility on earth as to deserve to be exalted with him in Heaven, through Christ Our Lord. R. Amen.

Thank you for this. It will be my reading material and prayer guide for the day.

No problem. You have posted some very good insights on this thread. Your user name sounds like you may have Spanish ancestry? Thanks to those holy souls, Ferdinand & Isabella, Columbus, etc., pagan America was brought the light of faith.

I really hope CI can clamp down/delete these race baiting threads.

Blessed Martin de Porres, C.O.P. 1579-1639 A.D.

 "Martin's close friends included Saint Rose of Lima and Blessed John Massias... his community called him the "father of charity." They came to respect him so much that they accepted his spiritual direction, even though he was but a lay brother."

   "The Spanish viceroy, the count of Chinchón, came to kneel at his deathbed and ask his blessing. Martin was carried to his grave by prelates and noblemen."

Life of Blessed Martin de Porres:

  Martin was the illegitimate child of Juan de Porres, a Spanish knight (hidalgo) from Alcantara, and Anna Velasquez, a free Panamanian mullato. Martin inherited his mother's features and dark skin, which upset his father, but John acknowledged his paternity of Martin and his sister while neglecting them. He was left to the care of his mother, and at 12 he was apprenticed to a barber-surgeon, who taught him the healing arts.

    Martin's prayer life was rich even in his youth. He had a deep devotion to the Passion of Our Lord, and continually prayed to know what he could do in gratitude for the immense blessings of redemption.

    Deciding upon the religious life, at the age of 15, Martin received the habit of the Third Order of Saint Dominic and was admitted to the Dominican Rosary Convent at Lima as a servant. He gave himself the lowliest duties of the house. Finally, his superiors commanded him to accept the habit of a lay brother-- something Martin felt was too great an honor for him--and he was professed.

    He served in several offices in the convent--barber, infirmarian, wardrobe keeper--as well as in the garden and as a counsellor. Soon Martin's reputation as a healer spread abroad. He nursed the sick of the city, including plague victims, regardless of race, and helped to found an orphanage and foundling hospital with other charities attached to them. He distributed the convent's alms of food (which he is said sometimes to have increased miraculously) to the poor. Martin especially ministered to the slaves that had been brought from Africa.

    He cured as much through prayer as through his knowledge of the medical arts. Among the countless many whose cures were attributed to Martin were a priest dying from a badly infected leg and a young student whose fingers were so damaged in an accident that his hopes for ordination to the priesthood were nearly quenched.

    Martin spent his nights in prayer and penance, and he experienced visions and ecstasies. In addition to these gifts, he was endowed with the gift of bi-location; he was seen in Mexico, Central America, and even Japan, by people who knew him well, whereas he had never physically been outside of Lima after entering the order. One time Martin was on a picnic with the novices and they lost track of time. Suddenly realizing that they would be late for their prayers, Martin had them join hands. Before they knew what happened, they found themselves standing in the monastery yard, unable to explain how they traveled several miles in a few seconds.

    He passed through locked doors by some means known only to himself and God. In this way he appeared at the bedside of the sick without being asked and always soothed the sick even when he did not completely heal them.

    Even sick animals came to Martin for healing. He demonstrated a great control of and care for animals--a care that apparently was inexplicable to the Spaniards--extending his love even to rats and mice, whose scavenging he excused on the grounds that they were hungry. He kept cats and dogs at his sister's house.

    Great as his healing faculty was, Martin is probably best remembered for the legend of the rats. It is said that the prior, a reasonable man, objected to the rodents. He ordered Martin to set out poison for them. Martin obeyed, but was very sorry for the rats. He went out into the garden and called softly--and out came the rats. He reprimanded them for their bad habits, telling them about the poison. He further assured them that he would feed them every day in the garden, if they would refrain from annoying the prior. This they agreed upon. He dismissed the rodents and forever after, they never troubled the monastery.

    His protege, Juan Vasquez Parra, reveals him to have been a practical and capable man, attending to details ranging from raising his sister's dowry in three days, to teaching Juan how to sow chamomile in the manured hoofprints of cattle. He was eminently practical in his charities, using carefully and methodically the money and goods he collected. He was consulted on delicate matters by persons of consequence in Lima.

    Martin's close friends included Saint Rose of Lima and Blessed John Massias, who was a lay-brother at the Dominican priory of Saint Mary Magdalene in Lima... his community called him the "father of charity." They came to respect him so much that they accepted his spiritual direction, even though he was but a lay brother.

    He died of quatrain fever at Rosary Convent on November 3. The Spanish viceroy, the count of Chinchón, came to kneel at his deathbed and ask his blessing. Martin was carried to his grave by prelates and noblemen.

Born: December 9, 1579 at Lima, Peru
Died: November 3, 1639 of fever
Beatified: In 1837 he was solemnly beatified by Gregory XVI

Blessed Martin, peacemaker in all discords, Pray for us!

I was stating in general...over time, French Catholics have made significant advances to civilization, compared to bigoted white *refuse like you.

*As a noun, refuse (pronounced REF-yooss)  

You do realise of course that France was home to the whorish fashion of the 1920's; the flapper fashion. Also today and since France had a colonial empire in Africa it is home to a Negro culture and the peoples are also becoming more that way too. Also I am nervous to include the word "white" in regards to Europe because there are obvious racial differences between France, Italy, Germany, etc.

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I was stating in general...over time, French Catholics have made significant advances to civilization, compared to bigoted white *refuse like you.

*As a noun, refuse (pronounced REF-yooss)  

You do realise of course that France was home to the whorish fashion of the 1920's; the flapper fashion. Also today and since France had a colonial empire in Africa it is home to a Negro culture and the peoples are also becoming more that way too. Also I am nervous to include the word "white" in regards to Europe because there are obvious racial differences between France, Italy, Germany, etc.

It is preferable to use the term "ethnic", as the genetic differences are actually not as large as you make them out to be. There is one human race. Do not compare the feline family to the human species. That is a false comparison, as the human species is a subcategory of the genus homo, which is a subcategory of the family hominidae.

There is no such thing as a superior "race". It doesn't exist. Scripture does not support the concept of a superior " race", nor does Scripture support the separation of "races", or the concept that combined ethnic backgrounds constitutes an inferior " race".

Flapper fashion was also popular in the United States. It was not an exclusively French notion.

Jazz is an American invention, one that is based off the musical culture of many ethnicities. It is not from Africa exclusively or even primarily. One of the infliluences of Jazz is the music of the Church. Another is the folk music of various nations. Jazz is a cross-cultural genre, enjoyed by people the world over, with Japan and France being two, notable markets.

Most of our culture is not the result of the Germanic "white" people, but from the Greeks, the Italians, the middle East and from an empire based on the African continent: Egypt.

All men of all ethnicities are created by God. He commanded that we spread the Gospel to the four corners of the earth. He never made any claim of racial superiority, not did He instruct His followers to segregate one ethnicity from another.

Those who claim to be superior should look at the parable of the Pharisee and the publican very carefully.

You sure don't hide your biases very well.  Just as the bias of your brother being at Pfeifferville overrode everything else in that discussion, your own impure blood overrides all discussion of race.  Something about you comes off as very whiny and effeminate.

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I was stating in general...over time, French Catholics have made significant advances to civilization, compared to bigoted white *refuse like you.

*As a noun, refuse (pronounced REF-yooss)  

You do realise of course that France was home to the whorish fashion of the 1920's; the flapper fashion. Also today and since France had a colonial empire in Africa it is home to a Negro culture and the peoples are also becoming more that way too. Also I am nervous to include the word "white" in regards to Europe because there are obvious racial differences between France, Italy, Germany, etc.

It is preferable to use the term "ethnic", as the genetic differences are actually not as large as you make them out to be. There is one human race. Do not compare the feline family to the human species. That is a false comparison, as the human species is a subcategory of the genus homo, which is a subcategory of the family hominidae.

There is no such thing as a superior "race". It doesn't exist. Scripture does not support the concept of a superior " race", nor does Scripture support the separation of "races", or the concept that combined ethnic backgrounds constitutes an inferior " race".

Flapper fashion was also popular in the United States. It was not an exclusively French notion.

Jazz is an American invention, one that is based off the musical culture of many ethnicities. It is not from Africa exclusively or even primarily. One of the infliluences of Jazz is the music of the Church. Another is the folk music of various nations. Jazz is a cross-cultural genre, enjoyed by people the world over, with Japan and France being two, notable markets.

Most of our culture is not the result of the Germanic "white" people, but from the Greeks, the Italians, the middle East and from an empire based on the African continent: Egypt.

All men of all ethnicities are created by God. He commanded that we spread the Gospel to the four corners of the earth. He never made any claim of racial superiority, not did He instruct His followers to segregate one ethnicity from another.

Those who claim to be superior should look at the parable of the Pharisee and the publican very carefully.

You sure don't hide your biases very well.  Just as the bias of your brother being at Pfeifferville overrode everything else in that discussion, your own impure blood overrides all discussion of race.

The Anti-Catholic OHCA is marching right in line with the Zionist's #1 20th Century Invention [Adolf].

"All who are not of good race in this world are chaff. And all occurrences in world history are only expression of the races’ instinct for self-preservation. What we must fight for is to safeguard the existence and reproduction of our race and our people, the sustenance of our children and the purity of our blood...so that our people may mature for the fulfilment of the mission... . Those who are physically and mentally unhealthy and unworthy must not perpetuate their suffering in the body of their children.” (Adolf Hitler in ‘Mein Kampf’)  

"Traditional Guy 20", just violated the 2nd Commandment in this thread. Please pass this on to the moderator.

First time I have seen this on a chatboard.

"May the most holy, most sacred most adorable, most mysterious and unutterable Name of God, be praised, blessed, loved, adored and glorified in heaven, and on earth by the Sacred Heart our Lord and Saviour, Jesus Christ, in the most Holy Sacrament of the altar, and by all God's creatures. Amen."

"Traditional Guy 20", just violated the 2nd Commandment in this thread. Please pass this on to the moderator.

First time I have seen this on a chatboard.

"May the most holy, most sacred most adorable, most mysterious and unutterable Name of God, be praised, blessed, loved, adored and glorified in heaven, and on earth by the Sacred Heart our Lord and Saviour, Jesus Christ, in the most Holy Sacrament of the altar, and by all God's creatures. Amen."

How do you know what I said is blasphemy? I think His name is "Jesus." Jeez and you sure are pathetic stooping to something this low to get me banned and gone. That sure smells of desperation to shut me up on your part.

ManuelChavez said:
It is preferable to use the term "ethnic", as the genetic differences are actually not as large as you make them out to be. There is one human race. Do not compare the feline family to the human species. That is a false comparison, as the human species is a subcategory of the genus homo, which is a subcategory of the family hominidae.

From Traditional Guy 20: God you're like a broken record. There is NOT one human race. There are different races based on intelligence, cultural ability, etc. I don't think anyone except a retard would say that Mozart or Beethoven's music is of similar cultural ability to sub-Saharan Africans. 

My Response: If your response isn't directed to God, then your post could be seen as breaking the second commandment.

There are different ethnicities of our one, Human species, based on genetic markers attributed to certain areas of the world. Ethnicity is not determined by intelligence, cultural ability, etc. Race is a loaded term, and is more societal than scientifically based.

Mozart and Beethoven are not a race; they are two individuals of common ethnic origin whose talents are upheld as exemplary. I have not said that the music of the sub-Saharan regions is at the same level as the music of Mozart or Beethoven.

I doubt that you are very familiar with the musical ability of the sub-Saharan peoples, based off what you have written thus far. Don't mock what you clearly do not understand.  

Manuel Chaves said: There is no such thing as a superior "race". It doesn't exist. Scripture does not support the concept of a superior " race", nor does Scripture support the separation of "races", or the concept that combined ethnic backgrounds constitutes an inferior " race".

From Traditional Guy 20: You know of course that we do not believe in "Sola Scriptura" right and believe in the discoveries of science that is proven.

My response: Science is not a dogma, and is far from set in stone. Each generation or two has a “new” understanding of the various sciences. What I have written on the Church and Scripture stands; there has never been a dogmatic segregation of the “races”.

What we can see from the Scripture and the Church's teachings are quite the opposite. Ethnic differences do not make one superior or inferior, and there is no “superior race.” The Church has never supported the notion of segregating “races”.

Do not elevate temporal, ephemeral science to the level of the teaching of the Church.

This “science” of races is hardly proven. It should not be used to try to justify declaring one group of people superior and another inferior. People of mixed, ethnic backgrounds are not inferior to supposedly “pure” peoples.

Traditional Guy 20: Yes and America is the worst nation on Earth and has the most rotten culture of dancing, drinking alcohol, and listening to Negrified music.

From Traditional Guy 20: Jazz is primarily African and has other influences yes, but just having an ounce of African music makes it an inferior art form. I also consider African indigenous music as horrible music too.

My response: That is your opinion, and you are entitled to it, even if it is odious and disgusting. However, do not dogmatize your errant and unfounded notions.

This is not a battle you're going to win, especially in regards to music theory and musicology. You clearly do not know music, and, once again, you are entitled to dislike Jazz and its variants, or African music (though this is a broad category, as various parts of Africa have their own styles of music). It doesn't make your opinion a fact, but it does exemplify your rigidity in you thought process, and does expose some of the gaps in your knowledge.

Jazz is an American art form, based off the merger of many cultures, including African. Music is comprised of three parts; melody, harmony and rhythm. Two of the key features of Jazz are syncopation and improvisation. These two are also used my many other types of music, including the Organ works of J.S. Bach.
Jazz is American, though it has taken on the folk flavor of many cultures, and has embraced the techniques of the old world.

From Traditional Guy 20: You would be correct had Egypt been an empire of sub-Saharan but they were in fact an empire of Hamites, from North Africa and Hamites and Semites from the Middle East are in the middle ranks in terms of race, higher than Equatorial Negroes. Greeks haven't done anything of importance since the time of the ancient Greeks. I admit Italians do have more of a creative streak than Germanic peoples as can be seen in the fields of art, literature, science, etc. but Germans also have that migratory will to go out and conquer. 

My response: You have an obession with ranking various ethnicities in terms of subjective qualifications.

Each ethnicity has something different to offer. The Catholic Church makes use of all that is good from all cultures and peoples. The Church does not hold any one ethnicity as superior to others. There is only the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church for the one human race, and those within the Church should not waste time arguing about whose culture is “superior”. It will not add one cubit to your stature.

When Christ judges each of us, He will not look at our ethnicity. He will judge our actions. Consider the following story, and rethink your unhealthy obsession with the notions of a “superior race.”

From the Gospel according to Saint Luke: [10] Two men went up into the temple to pray: the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican.

[11] The Pharisee standing, prayed thus with himself: O God, I give thee thanks that I am not as the rest of men, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, as also is this publican. [12] I fast twice in a week: I give tithes of all that I possess. [13] And the publican, standing afar off, would not so much as lift up his eyes towards heaven; but struck his breast, saying: O God, be merciful to me a sinner. [14] I say to you, this man went down into his house justified rather than the other: because every one that exalteth himself, shall be humbled: and he that humbleth himself, shall be exalted.