Quote from: 2Vermont 2024-11-13, 9:19:21 AM
He's not the only one.  Hewkonian has had at least a couple of comebacks.  His most recent I believe is PapalTiara.

You mean anti-liberal "truth" like calling it a mortal sin to vote for Trump?

PS. Thanks for the "snake" PM too.  You're a peach.

Quote Make every effort to have the Mass of St. Pius V, but if it is impossible to find one within forty kilometers and if there is a pious priest who says the New Mass in as traditional a way as possible, it is good for you to assist at it to fulfill your Sunday obligation."

OK, so now this is you YET AGAIN engaging in false dichotomy.  Could you PLEASE Google it up and stop using this fallacious argument.  It's a form of lying.

Just because +Lefebvre disagreed with the Father Wathen "Sacrilege" view, does not mean that he had the same view as Ripperger (which is your initial allegation).  As with many things, the actual truth is in the middle, but you constantly engage in false dichotomy or false dilemma types of arguments.

I agree with Father Wathen's conclusion, for this reason.  NO removed the Catholic Offertory, the part that Luther hated the most, replacing it with a тαℓмυdic Table Prayer.  That's 100% sacrilege and blasphemy.  I know you just love private apparitions, so I refer you to Our Lord speaking to Marie-Julie Jahenny, telling here that the NOM would contain "words from the abyss".  I have little doubt that He refers to this тαℓмυdic replacement of the Offertory.  Our Lord also said that the ones behind the NOM were those who had crucified Him ... aka the Jєωs.

I've also seen a letter that was allegedly written by Bugnini where he boasted that the offering of the fruits of the field was reminiscent of Cain's offering, the one that was rejected by God.  Whereas Abel offered the first of his flock (likely a lamb), which was pleasing to God, Cain offered the "fruits of the earth" ... which was REJECTED by God.  Interestingly, the Novus Ordo "Offertory" (тαℓмυdic substition) also offers to God the "fruit of the earth" [and work of human hands].  Striking parallel.  Abel's sacrifice of a Lamb was a type for the Lamb of God pleasing to Him, whereas Cain's sacrifice of the fruit of the earth (pre-transubstantiation bread/wheat) is a type for the NOM, and lo and behold, the NOM Offertory pretty much alludes to this.

Abel -> Lamb -> Pleasing to God
Cain -> "fruit of earth" -> Rejected by God

Tridentine Mass -> Lamb of God -> Pleasing to God
NOM -> "fruit of the earth" -> Rejected by God

Striking, no?

Just for a brief rejoinder: that brief snip is out of context - The Merit Of A Mass By Father Chad Ripperger, F.S. S. P. Among the traditional faithful there appears to be a kind of intuitive sense that the old rite of Mass is more efficacious than the new rite. Many believe that they derive more spiritual gain from the old rite of Mass than from the new." https://unavocecanada.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/The-Merit-Of-A-Mass.pdf And: "when we turn to the Mass as a sacrifice of impetration and expiation, the case is different. While we must always regard its intrinsic value as infinite, since it is the sacrifice of the God-Man Himself, its extrinsic value must necessarily be finite in consequence of the limitations of man. The scope of the so-called “fruits of the Mass” is limited.3"

And if the Church can't give inferior rites, how can She give evil rites? The resolution is likely (as even sedes speculate about Pius XII) that something likely happened to Paul VI in such a way that the promulgation of the Mass was not entirely freely from him. Thus, the TLM is superior, but the NOM is still a valid Mass that gives less grace.

Fare well.