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Offline Cato

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« on: September 16, 2016, 08:46:03 PM »
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  •   Of course if you read what was written by fallen Catholics, heretics, and atheists, the "bad Popes" seem to be condemned because of sexual appetites, bizarre behavior, and lavish spending.  But I imagine all these accounts were written by enemies of the Church who aim to dissuade the faithful.  Now I know Popes are capable of sin.  But heresy?

      Now Pope Francis behaves like he's advocating a new religion.  Every statement has to be twisted into some sort of orthodoxy.

      My question, was there a Pope worse than Francis?

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    « Reply #1 on: September 18, 2016, 12:12:46 AM »
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  • Francis cannot be pope according to Holy Mother Church as stated by the Vatican Council in the 19th century.  So your question is moot.  Have there been wickedly evil popes, in the sense of being humanly and religiously evil?  Yes, there have been some notoriously horrible human beings, validly elected, to the Papal Throne in the past.  Whether the current (past 50 years) claimants are "popes" needs to be settled first and foremost before the judging of their holding the papal office as Catholics needs to come first.  


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    « Reply #2 on: September 18, 2016, 11:57:56 AM »
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  • Here is a video produced by CMRI, awhile back, it explains to the interested who are seeking answers  to sit up and listen.    Check out 57.49 about your pope question.  

    [youtube]www.youtube.com/embed/DJ2QbKSOnKo[youtube]

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    « Reply #3 on: September 18, 2016, 02:32:43 PM »
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  • According to the Prophecies of the Pope's by St Malachy, and it is proven
    correct. Francis is the last Pope elected before the end of time.
    I wish time will hurry up.

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    « Reply #4 on: September 18, 2016, 03:36:59 PM »
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    Here is a video produced by CMRI, awhile back, it explains to the interested who are seeking answers  to sit up and listen.    Check out 57.49 about your pope question.  

    [youtube]www.youtube.com/embed/DJ2QbKSOnKo[youtube]


    There seemed to be a problem with the link above, try again!



    [youtube]https://www.youtube.com/embed/DJ2QbKSOnKo&t=3434s[/youtube]

    Remember if you care not to watch the entire video, however, it is very good!  At least go to the time marker 57.49

    Or just click the link:



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    « Reply #5 on: September 18, 2016, 04:07:14 PM »
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  • Thanks for the link, I will make the time to watch it.

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    « Reply #6 on: September 18, 2016, 04:38:25 PM »
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  • Quote from: Emitte Lucem Tuam
    Francis cannot be pope according to Holy Mother Church as stated by the Vatican Council in the 19th century.  So your question is moot.  Have there been wickedly evil popes, in the sense of being humanly and religiously evil?  Yes, there have been some notoriously horrible human beings, validly elected, to the Papal Throne in the past.  Whether the current (past 50 years) claimants are "popes" needs to be settled first and foremost before the judging of their holding the papal office as Catholics needs to come first.  


    i agree that Frank1 is not the pope but could you give an example of a 'wickedly evil' pope or a 'notoriously horrible human being' who has been validly elected?  :confused1:
    There Is No Such Thing As 'Sede Vacantism'...
    nor is there such thing as a 'Feeneyite' or 'Feeneyism'

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    « Reply #7 on: September 18, 2016, 04:40:12 PM »
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    According to the Prophecies of the Pope's by St Malachy, and it is proven
    correct. Francis is the last Pope elected before the end of time.
    I wish time will hurry up.


    There is nothing dogmatic in the alleged prophesies of St Malachy.....  :detective:
    There Is No Such Thing As 'Sede Vacantism'...
    nor is there such thing as a 'Feeneyite' or 'Feeneyism'


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    « Reply #8 on: September 18, 2016, 04:47:50 PM »
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     Of course if you read what was written by fallen Catholics, heretics, and atheists, the "bad Popes" seem to be condemned because of sexual appetites, bizarre behavior, and lavish spending.  But I imagine all these accounts were written by enemies of the Church who aim to dissuade the faithful.  Now I know Popes are capable of sin.  But heresy?

      Now Pope Francis behaves like he's advocating a new religion.  Every statement has to be twisted into some sort of orthodoxy.

      My question, was there a Pope worse than Francis?

    For Catholics who consider Francis a valid pope, many are prone to say that Pope Paul VI was worse, because he gave approval to Vatican II, which even John XXIII was reluctant to do (he got it started but was shocked to see it take off with a life of its own and wanted it stopped when he was about to die but his power brokers made sure his desires were not fulfilled at the time before they saw him die of stomach cancer).  

    It was Paul VI who stepped in and let the rotten council continue, and it was then Paul VI who rubber stamped its notorious innovations, and it was Paul VI who for the first time in Church history fenegled a twisted scheme to make it appear that the Mass of Tradition was abrogated (even though it in fact could never be abrogated, nor was it in fact abrogated, but he allowed it to APPEAR as though it had been abrogated), then forced the Novus Ordo Saeclorum (New World Order) mass down everyone's throats by FIAT, not by rule of law or proper authority.  He ruled with an iron fist (not unlike Communism which Vat.II ignored completely by prior arrangement - the Balamand Agreement or Pact of Metz) and ushered in the great crisis of the Church which endures today, half a century later.  

    Francis is just running on fumes, and would have none of this chaos in progress had it not been for Paul VI, and the future will see how they compare, but for now, Paul VI was far worse than Francis because of the traditions that he abolished:

    - The Traditional Mass everywhere and always
    - Various Papal traditions such as the beautiful crosier, Papal tiara and the sedia gestatoria
    - The practice and safeguard of traditional Catholic music at Mass
    - The traditional ordination form for priests and consecration form for bishops
    - The traditional form for Extreme Unction
    - The traditional practice of Papal blessings by way of Agnus Dei sacramentals
    - Allowing bishops to go utterly wild in their novelties and unorthodox theology and teachings
    - Promotion of liberals and anti-conservatives to episcopal and cardinal positions
    - Soft-pedaling the traditional Catholic teaching on contraception (even though Humanae Vitae was at least a weak attempt to protect it, he did not ENFORCE the adherence to this doctrine; but even so, Humanae Vitae contains a "time bomb" teaching that allows the relationship aspect of the marriage act to take equal prominence with the procreational aspect, which had never been Catholic teaching before Humanae Vitae came around)
    - Allowing the continued spurn of John XXIII's official dissemination for all Catholic bishops (1961) prohibiting the admission into seminaries of applicants who in ANY WAY showed a proclivity toward homosexuality, which teaching should have garnered his most enthusiastic support, but he did not support it;  he used his power and enthusiasm instead to ATTACK the sacred Traditions of Holy Mother Church in so many ways it's hard to count them all.

    He was a REAL SCOUNDREL.

    At the time, and I lived through this so I feel obliged to report on it, every traditionally-minded Catholic I knew or heard of repeated the same refrain again and again and again:

    Pope Paul VI is absolutely the WORST POPE EVER.            
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    It was true when it happened and it continues to be true half a century later, IMHO.

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    « Reply #9 on: September 18, 2016, 05:04:07 PM »
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  • I just saw the Vatican Splendors exhibit at the Reagan Library last week, when I saw first hand the palpable evidence of this post-Vatican II devastation.  The historical artifacts of the Catholic religion before Vatican II is a material testimony of the steadily growing "splendor" of the one true Faith, outside of which there is no salvation.  Most of the rare and beautiful artifacts of the ancient Church are lost to deterioration, vandalism and grave robbers over the centuries, but it is astounding to see a brief sample of the magnificent remnants that have survived the ravages of time and man's greed.

    Then came the notorious Vat.II which changed all that.  At Vat.II, man's greed welled up from WITHIN the Church to destroy its past and its treasures!

    Every item in the collection that comes from post-conciliar design or practice is utterly ugly and really does not belong in the same room with the prior articles.  The change is abrupt, and like day turns into night, obvious for all observers.

    And Paul VI was the guy who made it all happen.  Why, even Francis is a PRODUCT of what Paul VI did, since Francis went to seminary and became a priest and then a bishop under the auspices of the Paul VI pontificate.  Francis is a child of the Vat.II revolution.  So you can in a way cut him some slack for being perhaps uninformed or whatever, but this is what he LEARNED in SCHOOL, so he's just repeating what he was taught.  Paul VI did not have this handicap. He went to seminary at a time when traditional practices and pedagogy was still in force, and while he certainly had "progressive" professors, he had the traditional Church all over the world around him so he SHOULD have KNOWN BETTER.

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    « Reply #10 on: September 18, 2016, 05:09:54 PM »
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    Here is a video produced by CMRI, awhile back, it explains to the interested who are seeking answers  to sit up and listen.    Check out 57.49 about your pope question.  

    [youtube]www.youtube.com/embed/DJ2QbKSOnKo[youtube]

    There seemed to be a problem with the link above, try again!


    How about this?

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    [youtube]https://www.youtube.com/embed/DJ2QbKSOnKo[/youtube]

    Remember if you care not to watch the entire video, however, it is very good!  At least go to the time marker 57.49

    Or just click the link:



    Click the "QUOTE" button and read the change I made to the link you provided.

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    « Reply #11 on: September 18, 2016, 09:55:23 PM »
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  • Quote from: roscoe
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    According to the Prophecies of the Pope's by St Malachy, and it is proven
    correct. Francis is the last Pope elected before the end of time.
    I wish time will hurry up.


    There is nothing dogmatic in the alleged prophesies of St Malachy.....  :detective:


    The Prophesies of St.Malachy is not Dogmatic.  Most experts that have studied
    the prophecies agreed that it is been correct so far. Why not the last Pope
    before the end of time.
    We just have to wait and see because it will be in our lifetime.

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