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Offline Last Tradhican

Why I Do Not Push the Sede Position
« on: November 06, 2017, 02:44:33 PM »
With regard to the sede position, I came back to the Church when I was older, at that time I really didn't know anything about the Faith. I read profusely for years and almost from the beginning, concluded that JPII was a punishment from God and I told people that. However, I have never pushed the sede position on anyone mainly because all the sede groups teach that anyone can be saved without baptism and Christ in any way shape or form. Same goes for the SSPX. If the sedes and SSPX came to the conclusion that say the dogmatic Athanasian Creed means the complete opposite of what it says by their "theological analysis" , how can I believe them on the sede position, since our current situation is unprecedented while EENS is likely the most dogmatically docuмented teaching in the Church.
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Offline Neil Obstat

Re: Why I Do Not Push the Sede Position
« Reply #1 on: November 06, 2017, 03:02:37 PM »
Quote from: Last Tradhican on November 06, 2017, 02:44:33 PM
With regard to the sede position, I came back to the Church when I was older, at that time I really didn't know anything about the Faith. I read profusely for years and almost from the beginning, concluded that JPII was a punishment from God and I told people that. However, I have never pushed the sede position on anyone mainly because all the sede groups teach that anyone can be saved without baptism and Christ in any way shape or form. Same goes for the SSPX.

If the sedes and SSPX came to the conclusion that say the dogmatic Athanasian Creed means the complete opposite of what it says by their "theological analysis," how can I believe them on the sede position, since our current situation is unprecedented while EENS is likely the most dogmatically docuмented teaching in the Church.
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You have expressed well something I have thought in roughly the same terms but never put it to words. Thank you.
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Offline Last Tradhican

Re: Why I Do Not Push the Sede Position
« Reply #2 on: November 06, 2017, 03:28:24 PM »
Quote from: Last Tradhican on November 06, 2017, 02:44:33 PM
With regard to the sede position, I came back to the Church when I was older, at that time I really didn't know anything about the Faith. I read profusely for years and almost from the beginning, concluded that JPII was a punishment from God and I told people that. However, I have never pushed the sede position on anyone mainly because all the sede groups teach that anyone can be saved without baptism and Christ in any way shape or form. Same goes for the SSPX. If the sedes groups and SSPX came to the conclusion that say the dogmatic Athanasian Creed means the complete opposite of what it says by their "theological analysis" , how can I believe them on the sede position, since our current situation is unprecedented while EENS is likely the most dogmatically docuмented teaching in the Church.
I now underlined groups in the first part and added groups to the second part to make it super clear. The MHFM for instance is sede and believes in EENS as it is written, but the Dimond's are not a sede group, they do not have a seminary, priests and bishops.
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Offline Recusant Sede

Re: Why I Do Not Push the Sede Position
« Reply #3 on: November 06, 2017, 03:49:48 PM »
Well ain’t that something!

 Neil, L.T., the Dimond bros., and a few other homemade theologians know more than All the Saints, Canonists, theologians, Popes, Bishops for over the last 400 years combined!*

Pride comes before the fall.

*This does not mean that BOD was not believed from the very foundations of the Church.
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Offline DZ PLEASE

Re: Why I Do Not Push the Sede Position
« Reply #4 on: November 06, 2017, 03:52:11 PM »
Quote from: Last Tradhican on November 06, 2017, 02:44:33 PM
With regard to the sede position, I came back to the Church when I was older, at that time I really didn't know anything about the Faith. I read profusely for years and almost from the beginning, concluded that JPII was a punishment from God and I told people that. However, I have never pushed the sede position on anyone mainly because all...

>>> No, they don't; so, next?

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