Author Topic: Who ordains CMRI priests? (Read 48252 times)

andysloan · « **Reply #75 on:** October 30, 2014, 05:32:58 PM »

To MyrnaM,

How can you not have a problem with the SSPX when you are a sedevacantist? The SSPX recognise the pope (as is necessary for salvation!); sedevacantists do not.

Whatever the secret conviction of some in the SSPX, that is irrelevant. What matters is that as Vatican 1 testifies there is a permanent succession and we must be subject to the pope. Therefore, the CMRI is in schism and all must depart for salvation.

As is clear from my earlier post on page 11, accepting valid Popes is not modernist; neither is recognising that the NO is valid (subject to the standard norms).

On the Eucharistic fast; we are obliged to fast for one hour before reception of Holy Communion. This fast is made out of respect for Christ in Holy Communion. Your "give me a break" comment suggests you confuse this act with penitential fasting.

MyrnaM · « **Reply #76 on:** October 30, 2014, 06:10:05 PM »

Sorry Andy, I believe the pope MUST BE Catholic! That is Catholic teaching.

Malleus · « **Reply #77 on:** October 30, 2014, 06:18:44 PM »

Cantarella,

Why haven't you answered any of my questions?

MyrnaM · « **Reply #78 on:** October 30, 2014, 06:22:56 PM »

Quote from: Malleus

Cantarella,

Why haven't you answered any of my questions?

andysloan · « **Reply #79 on:** October 30, 2014, 06:27:32 PM »

MrynaM said:

"Sorry Andy, I believe the pope MUST BE Catholic! That is Catholic teaching. "

So the Holy Ghost has made an error?

Vatican 1:session 4

Therefore,

if anyone says that
it is not by the institution of Christ the Lord himself (that is to say, by divine law) that blessed Peter should have perpetual successors in the primacy over the whole church; or that
the Roman pontiff is not the successor of blessed Peter in this primacy:

let him be anathema.

And private judgement on a Pope being a heretic is prohibited!

Matthew 18:15-17

"But if thy brother shall offend against thee, go, and rebuke him between thee and him alone. If he shall hear thee, thou shalt gain thy brother.
And if he will not hear thee, take with thee one or two more: that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may stand. And if he will not hear them: tell the church. And if he will not hear the church, let him be to thee as the heathen and publican."

Don't listen to that rebellious CMRI propaganda.

"St. Jerome - in saying that a heretic departs on his own from the Body of Christ - does not preclude the Church's judgment, especially in so grave a matter as is the deposition of a pope. He refers instead to the nature of that crime, which is such as to cut someone off from the Church on its own and without other censure in addition to it - yet only so long as it should be declared by the Church... So long as he has not become declared to us juridically as an infidel or heretic, be he ever so manifestly heretical according to private judgment, he remains as far as we are concerned a member of the Church and consequently its head. Judgment is required by the Church. It is only then that he ceases to be Pope as far as we are concerned" (Theologian - John of St. Thomas d. 1644 RIP)

MyrnaM · « **Reply #80 on:** October 30, 2014, 06:40:57 PM »

Quote from: andysloan

MrynaM said:

"Sorry Andy, I believe the pope MUST BE Catholic! That is Catholic teaching. "

So the Holy Ghost has made an error?

That is why the Chair is empty; the Holy Ghost is TRUTH, those like yourself who think Francis with the novus ordo conciLIAR predecessors are of the Holy Ghost believe the Holy Ghost has erred.

andysloan · « **Reply #81 on:** October 30, 2014, 06:55:18 PM »

MyrnaM said:

"That is why the Chair is empty;"

Vatican 1:session 4

Therefore,

if anyone says that
it is not by the institution of Christ the Lord himself (that is to say, by divine law) that blessed Peter should have perpetual successors in the primacy over the whole church; or that
the Roman pontiff is not the successor of blessed Peter in this primacy:

let him be anathema.

Isaias 20:9-11

"For it is a people that provoketh to wrath, and lying children, children that will not hear the law of God. Who say to the seers: See not: and to them that behold: Behold not for us those things that are right: speak unto us pleasant things, see errors for us.
Take away from me the way, turn away the path from me,"

Maybe print off and ask family and friends, what perpetual successors means. And then tell them you believe the chair has been vacant for 50+ years. See what they say.

MyrnaM · « **Reply #82 on:** October 30, 2014, 07:45:13 PM »

So when the pope dies and in-between the election of the next TRUE pope, I guess we are all anathema.

Malleus · « **Reply #83 on:** October 30, 2014, 09:03:56 PM »

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Cantarella,

Why haven't you answered any of my questions?

Cantarella is quite the troll isn't she?

All she does is troll around typing whatever and avoiding having honest exchanges.

How can people like her live with themselves?

Mabel · « **Reply #84 on:** October 30, 2014, 09:29:35 PM »

Quote from: Malleus

Quote from: MyrnaM
Quote from: Malleus
Cantarella,

Why haven't you answered any of my questions?

Cantarella is quite the troll isn't she?

All she does is troll around typing whatever and avoiding having honest exchanges.

How can people like her live with themselves?

It is because they live by one standard for themselves and hold other people up to an entirely different set.

The SSPX publishes books and pamphlets just the same as CMRI does against certain errors which have their own subforum. Yet, SSPX gets a pass. I can only figure it is because of this double standard.

The SSPX is ok because these individuals go to mass there, gracing everyone present with their glistening orthodoxy. As if somehow having one of them in the crowd makes up for the all faults, real or perceived of the SSPX.

The basic principle is: If you are on my team, you are right and good all the time. If you are not on my team you are bad and wrong, no amount of good or right done can ever compensate for not being on my team.

The only thing is that most SSPX or Resistance attendees are not on the same team as these individuals. In fact, Catholics of good-will are all on the same team, even in these times.

You haven't recieved an answer from La Popessa because she's probably busy proof texting and transmitting "doctrine" somewhere out there on the Internet. You won't be likely to receive an answer from the CMRI detractors either, because once their malice and ignorance is exposed, they run off and hide.

andysloan · « **Reply #85 on:** October 30, 2014, 09:47:35 PM »

MyrnaM said:

"So when the pope dies and in-between the election of the next TRUE pope, I guess we are all anathema."

Not all; sedevacantists are anathema for rejecting the conciliar Popes, despite the Holy Ghost declaring proof of their validity.

As Our Lord lamented:

John 8:45

"But if I say the truth, you believe me not."

andysloan · « **Reply #86 on:** October 30, 2014, 09:51:54 PM »

Mabel said:

"You won't be likely to receive an answer from the CMRI detractors either, because once their malice and ignorance is exposed, they run off and hide."

Is there no 8th commandment anymore? Is slander now sin-free?

No wonder you are blinded by God!

Titus 3:10-11

"A man that is a heretic, after the first and second admonition, avoid:
Knowing that he, that is such an one, is subverted, and sinneth, being condemned by his own judgment."

If you dare to look into your conscience that is!

Marlelar · « **Reply #87 on:** October 30, 2014, 10:05:58 PM »

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Is Bishop Joseph Marie, a CMRI bishop consecrated by your own CMRI founder, a feeneyite? a CMRI hater?

YOUR OWN CMRI BISHOP is the one who emphatically states that the CMRI "cannot possibly be part of the Catholic Church".

Your own bishop, one who has been within the CMRI since 1977, one who was consecrated a bishop by your own founder, one who should know, is the one who accused CMRIers of committing crimes by being in the CMRI, your own bishop warned you to get out of the CMRI while you're still alive and have the chance to get out. Your own bishop is telling you the CMRI is not a part of the Catholic Church. Is there not one of you willing to answer these charges levied against the CMRI by the bishop?

Do the docuмented words of your own bishop mean so little to you that you COMPLETELY ignore them and re-direct the thread into yet another anti-sede / feeneyite ad hominems thread?

Not one CMRIer on this thread has even attempted to provide a shred of evidence to discredit the docuмentation and warnings given by YOUR OWN BISHOP.

Would you provide a link please? I've never heard this.

Marsha

Ambrose · « **Reply #88 on:** October 30, 2014, 11:24:36 PM »

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Quote from: Cantarella
Quote from: Mabel
He doesn't claim any authority or jurisdiction, he just helps people and dispenses the sacraments.

Then, the Sacraments are not real, they are all made up. There is more consistency in sedevacantists that stay at home alone on Sundays than the ones that attend counterfeit sects in which there is all "pretend" but no supernatural grace is really given because they are outside the Catholic Church, the Body of Christ. Sorry, but philanthropic and charitable acts do not equal supernatural power to consecrate the Body of Jesus or confer all the other Divine Sacraments, needed for salvation.

Just because our Bishop doesn't go around claiming jurisdiction, doesn't mean he doesn't have it. God in Heaven has that under control, have a little faith.

Don't let these people confuse you. It is to Bp. Pivarnuas' credit that he does not in word or deed pretend that he has jurisdiction. This is what separates him from many of the others, who say they do not have jurisdiction, but give the appearance that they do.

Bp. Pivarunas is in my opinion one of the few that actually "gets it." He know his role in this crisis and actually lives it. I see his wisdom pass down to the CMRI priests trained by him, as they all have a correct understanding of their place in the Church and their role as emergency priests in this crisis.

Ambrose · « **Reply #89 on:** October 30, 2014, 11:35:43 PM »

I find it fascinating to think of exactly who those are who are arrayed against CMRI.

1. Feeneyites

2. Dimond Followers

3. Shuckardists

4. Concilar Church supporters.

5. SSPV followers

The more they attack CMRI, the stronger CMRI gets. The truth is clear for all those who have eyes to see and ears to hear. Good cannot be long hidden under a bushel basket.

All of these groups are throwing stones from their glass houses.