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Re: who blame?
« Reply #5 on: May 06, 2026, 03:02:37 PM »
Sorry, no.

Offline Ladislaus

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Re: who blame?
« Reply #6 on: May 07, 2026, 06:55:56 AM »
Quo's comment was directed against the R&R position that the Vatican II popes are popes even if they happen to be bad popes ... making an analogy with how you still must honor and obey (where you can) your father, even if he's doing bad things himself.


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Re: who blame?
« Reply #7 on: May 07, 2026, 10:59:45 AM »
https://www.cathinfo.com/fighting-errors-in-the-modern-world/queers-not-sinful/msg1025396/#msg1025396

Understand you being sarcast here but bring question I have thought before. If family is bad it is blame on bad parent. If country is bad is blame on bad leader. bad czar bad king bad president bad whatever. If naval ship is bad is blame on bad captain. If business is bad is blame on bad boss. Church is bad so blame bad pope. OK. but god is suppose to be father. suppose to be real head of church. So is wrong to say god is bad god? Why?
If you are looking to blame someone, then you have to blame all those who lost the faith of their own free will. Start with all the bishops and popes who were at the V2 council and continue in it's errors, and of all the Catholic people who abandoned the faith of their own free will -  and passed that loss of faith down to their children, let's just hope that loss of faith does not go "unto the third and fourth generation" re: Num. 14:18.

Since V2, God has been using this crisis to show very clearly that this NO church is false and is not Catholic, so maybe your question should be, "Why do NOers choose of their own free will, to be NOers instead of Catholics?" The answer is, because it's so much easier to simply follow the wolves. It is so much easier to simply invoke authority to get by, this is how they've avoided the whole issue of their personal belief ever since the council.

God allows this crisis for the same reason He permits us to be tempted, namely, for the sake of our purification, for the sake of our proving to Almighty God that we are worthy of Him while He permits our enemies to rule the Church on earth on earth for a little while, dividing out the faithful more and more.

Re: who blame?
« Reply #8 on: May 07, 2026, 11:59:44 AM »
If you are looking to blame someone, then you have to blame all those who lost the faith of their own free will. Start with all the bishops and popes who were at the V2 council and continue in it's errors, and of all the Catholic people who abandoned the faith of their own free will -  and passed that loss of faith down to their children, let's just hope that loss of faith does not go "unto the third and fourth generation" re: Num. 14:18.

Since V2, God has been using this crisis to show very clearly that this NO church is false and is not Catholic, so maybe your question should be, "Why do NOers choose of their own free will, to be NOers instead of Catholics?" The answer is, because it's so much easier to simply follow the wolves. It is so much easier to simply invoke authority to get by, this is how they've avoided the whole issue of their personal belief ever since the council.

God allows this crisis for the same reason He permits us to be tempted, namely, for the sake of our purification, for the sake of our proving to Almighty God that we are worthy of Him while He permits our enemies to rule the Church on earth on earth for a little while, dividing out the faithful more and more.

Quo's comment was directed against the R&R position that the Vatican II popes are popes even if they happen to be bad popes ... making an analogy with how you still must honor and obey (where you can) your father, even if he's doing bad things himself.
Thank you for response. but seem to miss question. Maybe more simple way to ask is why God no have blame for state of people? but those who suppose to represent him. those he suppose to guide do?

Re: who blame?
« Reply #9 on: May 07, 2026, 12:22:56 PM »
Thank you for response. but seem to miss question. Maybe more simple way to ask is why God no have blame for state of people? but those who suppose to represent him. those he suppose to guide do?
Sin is never the fault of God, but wholly the fault of man. God gives everyone all the graces needed to find the Truth and embrace it. Sin has the effect of blinding the soul, and God is not obliged to enlighten one who is determined to offend Him.