In a roundabout or backhanded way, serving as mileposts on the path to True Tradition? Lots of folks here have taken that route.

And while we're speaking of fruits, the Galatians 5:22-23 list is the only one that matters. Not crude numbers or worldly inventories.

Yes, many people have taken a route to groups that hold the True Faith from groups that do not hold the True Faith, but then the fruits should be assigned to where they went, not from where they came from. 

I agree with your second point.  Xavier has always focused on quantity/numbers.

Correct, which is why I wrote "backhanded".

I understand.  But would we say the same thing about the Anglican church (like MF said)?

You know what rum? You don't know where you would be today if you were her and/or, while I'm at it, JayneK - likely still a jew.

You should be very cautious with your calumnies against those who certainly had to be specially favored by God, Who gave special graces to certain ones who were more in need and are more especially loved by Him....than the 99 who have no need.

Always remember and imagine that it could just as easily have been you who had to choose which path to take - and you do not know if you would have ever gotten off the wide road you were already on to take the dingy, narrow path they thankfully chose to take.

Same goes for the Indult folks - if that's all I ever knew or had, I would probably be among those who think it is the only right way to go. God may (or may not) find them guilty for a certain degree of sloth for not continuing to seek and search their way out of that situation, i.e. out of all things NO including the Indult. Perhaps when the conciliar bosses completely ban it will be their test, hopefully they will all pass. 

Thank you, Gentlemen. 

Which has the highest per capita priestly and religious vocations?
In my experience, indult has very little vocations, and SSPX and CMRI has a lot (per capita).

Yeah, and what about the pedo SSPX superior of the largest district in the world? Does he count into the per capita vocations? Give me a break...

If I got consecrated tomorrow, by the end of the year I could surpass the SSPX's priest numbers. Can't promise to surpass its sodomite pedo rate though, they're in a league of their own there.

What wonderful fruits...

The problem with the emphasis in modern times on the "loving Jesus" is that such an approach to God attracts weirdo females and weirdo males. I've always been more attracted to the punishing and ruthless God. Especially ruthless towards the people who called for His crucifixion and put their blood on the line in the bargain.

It's astonishing, but shouldn't be, that any man who wants to join a seminary, who gives off the slightest whiff of effeminacy, is accepted. Lavender mafia, created by their freak mommies.

Be suspicious of "sensitive" males. They're almost always self-lovers.

While I agree with your disgust with self affirming gαys,  the lack of balance in regards to the human condition smacks of youthful ignorance or "ex smoker " vigilance.  Be hard on yourself and try to excuse others.

Just had a dip into your archive, not being familiar with you. Your schtick is the sensitive guy who bathes in the minutiae of traddom. I was searching hard for just one of your posts that was meaningful.

No problem.