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Which group do you prefer to recieve the Catholic Sacraments from?

SSPX (+Felay)
5 (9.8%)
SSPX "Resistance"  (+Williamson)
10 (19.6%)
CMRI (+Pivarunas)
7 (13.7%)
SSPV (+Kelly,RIP)
2 (3.9%)
RCI (+Sanborn)
1 (2%)
SGG (+McGuire)
1 (2%)
FSSP (attached to the NO)
0 (0%)
other
4 (7.8%)
It doen't matter as long as the sacraments are not doubtful.
21 (41.2%)

Total Members Voted: 50

Voting closed: July 25, 2024, 01:33:08 PM

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Offline Gray2023

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Which group?
« on: July 15, 2024, 01:33:08 PM »
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  • Just Curious.  For "other" please share in the comments, if you feel comfortable.
    1 Corinthians: Chapter 13 "4 Charity is patient, is kind: charity envieth not, dealeth not perversely; is not puffed up; 5 Is not ambitious, seeketh not her own, is not provoked to anger, thinketh no evil;"

    Offline Ladislaus

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    Re: Which group?
    « Reply #1 on: July 15, 2024, 01:37:44 PM »
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  • Does the group you prefer to receive the Sacraments from have to necessarily be the group with whose positions you agree?  I don't think so, and believe they are separate questions.  And is the question generically about some group?  I write this because sometimes you find a priest whom you consider holy, pious, a good confessors, etc. ... with whom you may not necessarily agree on all their positions.  That has in fact been my case.  I haven't always been too fond of many of the clergy who happen to align with my own doctrinal positions and, for the purposes of receiving the Sacraments, think of specific priests rather than as "groups", since one does not receive the Sacraments from a group, but from a specific individual priest.


    Offline Mr G

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    Re: Which group?
    « Reply #2 on: July 15, 2024, 01:38:19 PM »
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  • SAJM (+ Zendejas)

    Offline Gray2023

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    Re: Which group?
    « Reply #3 on: July 15, 2024, 03:25:30 PM »
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  • SAJM (+ Zendejas)
    I didn't realize that was a separate category.  Do +Zendejas and +Williiamson not work together anymore?
    1 Corinthians: Chapter 13 "4 Charity is patient, is kind: charity envieth not, dealeth not perversely; is not puffed up; 5 Is not ambitious, seeketh not her own, is not provoked to anger, thinketh no evil;"

    Offline Gray2023

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    Re: Which group?
    « Reply #4 on: July 15, 2024, 03:34:46 PM »
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  • Does the group you prefer to receive the Sacraments from have to necessarily be the group with whose positions you agree?  I don't think so, and believe they are separate questions.  And is the question generically about some group?  I write this because sometimes you find a priest whom you consider holy, pious, a good confessors, etc. ... with whom you may not necessarily agree on all their positions.  That has in fact been my case.  I haven't always been too fond of many of the clergy who happen to align with my own doctrinal positions and, for the purposes of receiving the Sacraments, think of specific priests rather than as "groups", since one does not receive the Sacraments from a group, but from a specific individual priest.
    This is just a question to get a feel for what the CathInfo community looks like generically.  The last two questions were designed for people if the couldn't really pick a group.  I hope this answered your question, if not, please help me understand better.
    1 Corinthians: Chapter 13 "4 Charity is patient, is kind: charity envieth not, dealeth not perversely; is not puffed up; 5 Is not ambitious, seeketh not her own, is not provoked to anger, thinketh no evil;"


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    Re: Which group?
    « Reply #5 on: July 15, 2024, 05:42:34 PM »
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  • I didn't realize that was a separate category.  Do +Zendejas and +Williiamson not work together anymore?
    They are friends, but Bishiop Williamson does not lead any organization. It is a sperate category, such as the Dominicans of Avrellie are a separate entity than the Benedictines of Santa Cruz, and they are separate than SAJM, yet they collaborate with each other and are on friendly terms, but each one is its own separate entity, with their own separate leadership.

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    Re: Which group?
    « Reply #6 on: July 15, 2024, 05:51:35 PM »
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  • I will receive sacraments wherever they are not doubful.

    However, as I profess the rigourist interpretation of Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus, priests of the SSPV would never knowlingly administer sacraments to me.

    Further, because I, although sedeprivationist in my ecclesiology, have no scruple in attending una cuм Masses and do in fact attend such Masses, some sede clergy would refuse me communion or unction if they knew this.
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    Re: Which group?
    « Reply #7 on: July 15, 2024, 06:23:10 PM »
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  • They are friends, but Bishiop Williamson does not lead any organization. It is a sperate category, such as the Dominicans of Avrellie are a separate entity than the Benedictines of Santa Cruz, and they are separate than SAJM, yet they collaborate with each other and are on friendly terms, but each one is its own separate entity, with their own separate leadership.
    I get what you are saying.  I would edit my post, but I don't know how.  I would change that example to friends of  +Williamson.
    1 Corinthians: Chapter 13 "4 Charity is patient, is kind: charity envieth not, dealeth not perversely; is not puffed up; 5 Is not ambitious, seeketh not her own, is not provoked to anger, thinketh no evil;"


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    Re: Which group?
    « Reply #8 on: July 15, 2024, 06:25:40 PM »
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  • I will receive sacraments wherever they are not doubful.

    However, as I profess the rigourist interpretation of Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus, priests of the SSPV would never knowlingly administer sacraments to me.

    Further, because I, although sedeprivationist in my ecclesiology, have no scruple in attending una cuм Masses and do in fact attend such Masses, some sede clergy would refuse me communion or unction if they knew this.

    I also think that the wisest course is to hide your convictions regarding the "Pope issue". Folks are very passionate about it, and don't hesitate to excommunicate their "enemies".

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    Re: Which group?
    « Reply #9 on: July 15, 2024, 06:32:25 PM »
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  • I also think that the wisest course is to hide your convictions regarding the "Pope issue". Folks are very passionate about it, and don't hesitate to excommunicate their "enemies".
    We shouldn't think of each other as "enemies" and I don't know why people won't work on doing that?  Am I missing something?  
    1 Corinthians: Chapter 13 "4 Charity is patient, is kind: charity envieth not, dealeth not perversely; is not puffed up; 5 Is not ambitious, seeketh not her own, is not provoked to anger, thinketh no evil;"

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    Re: Which group?
    « Reply #10 on: July 15, 2024, 07:41:14 PM »
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  • We shouldn't think of each other as "enemies" and I don't know why people won't work on doing that?  Am I missing something? 

    It's the Traditionalist clergy that needs to hear this.

    I have no enemies in Traddieland.


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    Re: Which group?
    « Reply #11 on: July 15, 2024, 07:49:04 PM »
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  • It's the Traditionalist clergy that needs to hear this.

    I have no enemies in Traddieland.
    Agree. The devil knows that by "working" on the clergy, he can profit more than attacking individual lay people.

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    Re: Which group?
    « Reply #12 on: July 15, 2024, 08:41:13 PM »
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  • Agree. The devil knows that by "working" on the clergy, he can profit more than attacking individual lay people.
    I agree.  But I wrote this letter  

    https://www.cathinfo.com/anonymous-posts-allowed/the-tears-of-a-traditional-catholic-mother/

    and was told not to bother the clergy.

    I think we all have to do our part.  We have enough books and examples of Saints, to ready ourselves for Spiritual Warfare.  If you are with God, who can be against you.  Make sure you are praying your Rosary, offering all your trials of your day, and getting to the True Sacraments as often as possible.  We should help each other in the process, not bring each other down.
    1 Corinthians: Chapter 13 "4 Charity is patient, is kind: charity envieth not, dealeth not perversely; is not puffed up; 5 Is not ambitious, seeketh not her own, is not provoked to anger, thinketh no evil;"

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    Re: Which group?
    « Reply #13 on: July 15, 2024, 08:42:58 PM »
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  • I will receive sacraments wherever they are not doubful.

    Same.
    Some would have people believe that I'm a deceiver because I've used various handles on different Catholic forums. They only know this because I've always offered such information, unprompted. Various troll accounts on FE. Ben on SuscipeDomine. Patches on ABLF 1.0 and TeDeum. GuitarPlucker, Busillis, HatchC, and Rum on Cathinfo.

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    Re: Which group?
    « Reply #14 on: July 15, 2024, 09:28:03 PM »
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  • I agree.  But I wrote this letter 

    https://www.cathinfo.com/anonymous-posts-allowed/the-tears-of-a-traditional-catholic-mother/

    and was told not to bother the clergy.

    I think we all have to do our part.  We have enough books and examples of Saints, to ready ourselves for Spiritual Warfare.  If you are with God, who can be against you.  Make sure you are praying your Rosary, offering all your trials of your day, and getting to the True Sacraments as often as possible.  We should help each other in the process, not bring each other down.

    I agree that you should not bother the clergy. They are running the show, they are more knowledgeable that most of us, and they have all that is necessary to understand that they should not be excluding people because of what they think about the Pope. You don't have to be a genius to figure it out. It only takes a little humility.

    When I said that they "need to hear it", it was not to be taken literally. I am not one inclined to lecture people above me.

    On the topic, I go to the SSPX merely for convenience. I would go elsewhere, as long as the sacraments were valid.