Author Topic: Whether it is unlawful to form a judgment from suspicions? (Read 2535 times)

Caminus · « **Reply #5 on:** June 27, 2009, 01:19:34 PM »

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precludes even the necessity of guesswork about their internal intentions

It is statements like this which render an otherwise decent post grossly offensive and ignorant. Why do you feel the incessant need to avoid any other consideration of the matter? Why do you avoid critical examination? Because it will ruin your preconceived notions? Far from being a virtuous statement of 'simplicity' such an attitude only reveals an essential dishonesty. Though you have removed yourself from one injustice, you still remain pertinaciously attached to others.

CM · « **Reply #6 on:** June 27, 2009, 11:48:22 PM »

Hello Caminus, please consider the following points:

When Nestorius taught that Mary was not the Mother of God, the words themselves carried an objective meaning, one which needed to be denounced, and waiting for a juridical or canonical sentence to be passed on him would have been imprudent, for in doing so, Catholics would have subjected themselves to a heretic and thus fallen out of Catholic communion, being no longer Catholic. The objective sense in this case trumps the interior disposition, rendering it irrelevant.

The same can be said of the Eastern Schismatics when they rejected the Filioque, that there was not necessarily any conscious evil intent, but the damage of schism and heresy does not require conscious evil intent at all.

What I'm saying is that the internal dispositions of the antipopes matter not in the slightest, but the objective consequences of their apostate actions and teachings. There are enough decrees in the Tradition of the Church which tell us that these men are indeed not members of the Catholic Church, such as the following:

Pope Leo II, Third Council of Constantinople, 681: "...those who dare to compose another faith, or to support or to teach or to hand on another creed (Vatican II, for example)... excommunicated."

Caminus · « **Reply #7 on:** June 28, 2009, 01:56:39 AM »

You're still here?

Dawn · « **Reply #8 on:** June 29, 2009, 09:21:53 PM »

Nonsense. The teachings of the Church are not muddled but clear.
Are those actions Catholic? Yes or No?
It is just that clear. Yes or No Catholic or Not.

Dawn · « **Reply #9 on:** June 29, 2009, 09:24:50 PM »

We must remember that God does not equivocate. His Church does not change. It is the same yesterday, today and always.
What was wrong in the early days of the Church is still wrong now. And, those actions are wrong. Period. If they are not wrong, then the early Papal Martyrs should have been able to wriggle out of their martyrdom. But, they did not. They did not let anyone even THINK that they where pretending to be on friendly terms with those outside of the True Faith.