Author Topic: Where have all the children gone? (Read 5639 times)

nctradcath · « **Reply #20 on:** February 10, 2017, 08:58:50 AM »

Quote from: Pax Vobis

Statistically, trad young adults are just as infected with 'the world' as any other young adult population. As atheism is growing, so a small % of trads will be infected with this and their Faith will become lax and they may stop going to church for a while. I've seen this more than a few times.

As the indult grows, a large % will leave tradition and attend this. At our chapel, we've lost about 70% of one generation to the indult. Young adults, who haven't read anything about V2 or the new mass, who only care about social media, get duped by the 'positive and happy' novus ordo-ites who think that "the latin mass is coming back! Everything's going to be rosy". Plus, the millenial generation cannot stand to be an "outsider" or "different", as they want to be "part of the group" just like on facebook. They compromise their faith because of human respect. ...Or they started dating novus ordo/indult catholics and didn't want to 'rock the boat' by trying to convert them to tradition. So they compromised and went to the indult, for love.

Then, there's the normal % of trads who have just given into a partying/fun life. They may still go to mass, but their faith is very weak. A good percentage of these will 'grow up' and become decent catholics at some point. But, some will not.

Finally, there are some who have kept the Faith, lived 'boring' lives, are looked at as 'old fashioned' and who have grown in virtue. These are small in number but they are a great example.

Really, aren't the above 4 categories consistant with the parable of the "Sower of the Seed"?

I think Pax Vobis is largely correct. The siren call of the world and the allure of the flesh and having fun will take a good number of trad children.

nctradcath · « **Reply #21 on:** February 10, 2017, 09:00:33 AM »

I think that these children are probably not educated well. Where else is Thier to go? The Truth must be followed as the alternative is hell.

Arvinger · « **Reply #22 on:** February 10, 2017, 10:12:59 AM »

Quote from: Pax Vobis

Or they started dating novus ordo/indult catholics and didn't want to 'rock the boat' by trying to convert them to tradition. So they compromised and went to the indult, for love.

That is kind of catch 22. There are so few young Trad Catholics here in Western Europe (in the USA it is probably slightly better I guess) that chances of finding a spouse in a chapel are extremely slim. Exactly as Arsenius wrote in his post:

Quote from: Arsenius

Are we really down to the point where we literally have no choice of who to marry so we just have to marry the person sitting the next pew over for the sake of marrying "within the Faith"?

So, if young Trad Catholics will not look for a potential spouse in Novus Ordo or Indult they are likely to never marry and Traditional Catholics which eventually die out (here in Britain it seems already inevitable if you look at the age pyramid of our chapels). But if they do open up to Novus Ordo and Indult Catholics as potential spouses, they risk having to compromise their faith. I don't see an easy way out of this.

Pax Vobis · « **Reply #23 on:** February 10, 2017, 10:26:48 AM »

I'm not saying to avoid dating novus ordo-ites, but...(and i've had plenty of personal experience in this area)...trying to find one that will convert to tradition is just as hard as finding a trad to marry. Most novus ordo catholics are happy where they are; they don't want to have quarrels in their family; they don't want to be different; they want a 'normal' life. Also, the pope is like their god-given oracle, so they won't leave him.

The problem is, most younger folks are not strong in their faith, they don't have any strong convictions on why they're Trad to begin with (because they don't study the past), so to them, "the indult is a latin mass...what's wrong with that?" This is the easy way, which most take.

Arvinger · « **Reply #24 on:** February 10, 2017, 10:32:05 AM »

Quote from: Pax Vobis

I'm not saying to avoid dating novus ordo-ites, but...(and i've had plenty of personal experience in this area)...trying to find one that will convert to tradition is just as hard as finding a trad to marry. Most novus ordo catholics are happy where they are; they don't want to have quarrels in their family; they don't want to be different; they want a 'normal' life. Also, the pope is like their god-given oracle, so they won't leave him.

Exactly, this is why I wrote that dating Novus Ordo/Indult Catholic carries a risk of compromising one's faith. So:

a) if you try to marry within Tradition, you are likely to never find a spouse because there are so few Trad Catholic singles
b) if you try to marry Novus Ordo/Indult Catholic you are likely to compromise your faith and eventually blend into the Novus Ordo

Either way, Tradition is demographically doomed.