Repeatedly, Pope Francis will mention Marxism and add that he knows many Marxists who are fine people and many atheists who are fine people. He has even given the impression that he thinks atheists could go to Heaven.

If the capitalists who call themselves "Catholic" had acted more Catholic there would be a lot fewer Marxists in the world than there are now.

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Repeatedly, Pope Francis will mention Marxism and add that he knows many Marxists who are fine people and many atheists who are fine people. He has even given the impression that he thinks atheists could go to Heaven.

If the capitalists who call themselves "Catholic" had acted more Catholic there would be a lot fewer Marxists in the world than there are now.

What happened to your accusations that Pope F was talking about atheistic capitalism- now it is Catholic capitalism ?

If the capitalist priovides shoddy goods and services, pays low wages to his employees and maintains an unsafe work environment and cheats on his taxes or better yet manipulates his finances so that he doesn't have to pay the taxes that everyone else does then he is not acting for the common good.

Poche,

Your point falls flat because a business that provided lousy service would go out of business because customers would start going somewhere else.  Now, before someone says "Wal-Mart" let's remember that in the early 1980's K-Mart was king and Wal-Mart was only known in the rural farmlands, and mostly Arkansas.  K-Mart now is a lousy store and has been for many years so they are really losing a lot of market share.  However, in a country with strict government controls and heavy labor (union) workforce, a lousy company can stay in business until that country's economic system collapses.

Another mistake being made is idea that people are embracing Marxism because they gave capitalism a try and decided that they wanted something else.  This is nonsense because Marxism appeals to people who are monstrously envious and desirous of hurting others, this is why Marxism (or just about any leftist ideology) always has death camps and brutality in it's wake.  Meanwhile, virtually ALL of the material progress of the western world post-1600 is due to voluntary market exchanges of a free people doing business at their own pace and as they will.  

The hatred of Our Lord at the core, the very heart and life blood of Marxism.  Marxism is government control of all aspects of your life.  This, in addition to being philosophical atheism, is practical atheism too because if all moral choices are removed from the individual, how can he ever really do anything good?  He would merely be a cog in an atheist wheel and he would eventually pledge his own life blood for the good of this atheist wheel.  Moral beings are only moral if they can choose to do good and refrain from doing evil.  If all choices are made by a government agency, then the person is reduced to a tool.

In the history of Marxism, there is yet to be a great country.  Great brutality, yes.  I think more people dreamed of escaping the Soviet Union than those very few who thought it was a good thing going on.

Envy is one of the seven deadly sins for a reason.  Envy inculcates hatred of others based on material goods.  Envy refuses to acknowledge that the material goods enjoyed by others could very well be a blessing from God.  It is not our call to decide who should have what yet that is precisely what Marxism proposes to do.  

So, Pope Francis is constantly talking about how much he admires people who willingly embrace the ideas of Marxism.  

I don't want this thread to become a political diatribe because there are no unfettered markets in the world and every single government out there has programs designed to assist the poor so the days of ####ens and his romanticism are over.  And Pope Francis is scoring a zero in the originality department but I do think he may be the first pope to publicly admire Marxists.  JP II blended a lot of Marxist thought in his economic views and it's likely that Paul VI was a closet socialist but those guys are dead and gone now.  



   

Repeatedly, Pope Francis will mention Marxism and add that he knows many Marxists who are fine people and many atheists who are fine people. He has even given the impression that he thinks atheists could go to Heaven.

If the capitalists who call themselves "Catholic" had acted more Catholic there would be a lot fewer Marxists in the world than there are now.

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Poche,

Your point falls flat because a business that provided lousy service would go out of business because customers would start going somewhere else.  Now, before someone says "Wal-Mart" let's remember that in the early 1980's K-Mart was king and Wal-Mart was only known in the rural farmlands, and mostly Arkansas.  K-Mart now is a lousy store and has been for many years so they are really losing a lot of market share.  However, in a country with strict government controls and heavy labor (union) workforce, a lousy company can stay in business until that country's economic system collapses.

Another mistake being made is idea that people are embracing Marxism because they gave capitalism a try and decided that they wanted something else.  This is nonsense because Marxism appeals to people who are monstrously envious and desirous of hurting others, this is why Marxism (or just about any leftist ideology) always has death camps and brutality in it's wake.  Meanwhile, virtually ALL of the material progress of the western world post-1600 is due to voluntary market exchanges of a free people doing business at their own pace and as they will.  

The hatred of Our Lord at the core, the very heart and life blood of Marxism.  Marxism is government control of all aspects of your life.  This, in addition to being philosophical atheism, is practical atheism too because if all moral choices are removed from the individual, how can he ever really do anything good?  He would merely be a cog in an atheist wheel and he would eventually pledge his own life blood for the good of this atheist wheel.  Moral beings are only moral if they can choose to do good and refrain from doing evil.  If all choices are made by a government agency, then the person is reduced to a tool.

In the history of Marxism, there is yet to be a great country.  Great brutality, yes.  I think more people dreamed of escaping the Soviet Union than those very few who thought it was a good thing going on.

Envy is one of the seven deadly sins for a reason.  Envy inculcates hatred of others based on material goods.  Envy refuses to acknowledge that the material goods enjoyed by others could very well be a blessing from God.  It is not our call to decide who should have what yet that is precisely what Marxism proposes to do.  

So, Pope Francis is constantly talking about how much he admires people who willingly embrace the ideas of Marxism.  

I don't want this thread to become a political diatribe because there are no unfettered markets in the world and every single government out there has programs designed to assist the poor so the days of ####ens and his romanticism are over.  And Pope Francis is scoring a zero in the originality department but I do think he may be the first pope to publicly admire Marxists.  JP II blended a lot of Marxist thought in his economic views and it's likely that Paul VI was a closet socialist but those guys are dead and gone now.  



   

When Pope Francis wrote his exhortation Evangelii Gaudium he condemned the selfish who only think of themselves. He mentioned this in passing. It apparently hit close to home because of all the complaining. I would recommend that the selfish and greedy do an examination of conscience and if the shoe of sin fits then maybe they should look for new shoes.