Author Topic: What Papal Docuмents Support the Ordination or the Consecration etc.. (Read 6381 times)

biblioc · « **on:** June 21, 2023, 01:22:42 AM »

Surely there must be exact Formulas and Matter used by Mother Church to provide the correct Ordination and Consecration etc? What are they?

In Papal Docuмents? Not anyone's opinions?

Thanks everybody!

Cryptinox · « **Reply #1 on:** June 21, 2023, 01:41:45 AM »

Pope Pius XII defined the essential form for the Traditional Roman Rite in Sacramentum Ordinis:

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Consecration of a bishop: “Comple in Sacerdote tuo ministerii tui summam, et ornamentis totius glorificationis instructum coelestis unguenti rore santifica.”

[“Perfect in Thy priest the fullness of thy ministry and, clothing him in all the ornaments of spiritual glorification, sanctify him with the Heavenly anointing.”]

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Ordination of a priest: “Da, quaesumus, omnipotens Pater, in hunc famulum tuum Presbyterii dignitatem; innova in visceribus eius spiritum sanctitatis, ut acceptum a Te, Deus, secundi meriti munus obtineat censuramque morum exemplo suae conversationis insinuet.”

[“Grant, we beseech Thee, Almighty Father, invest this Thy servant with the dignity of the Priesthood; do Thou renew in his heart the spirit of holiness, so that he may persevere in this office, which is next to ours in dignity, since he has received it from Thee, O God. May the example of his life lead others to moral uprightness.”]

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Ordination of a deacon: “Emitte in eum, quaesumus, Domine, Spiritum Sanctum, quo in opus ministerii tui fideliter exsequendi septiformis gratiae tuae munere roboretur.”
[“Send forth upon him, we beseech, O Lord, the Holy Spirit, by which for the work of faithfully performing your ministry he may be strengthened by the gift of Thy sevenfold grace.”]

AMDGJMJ · « **Reply #2 on:** June 21, 2023, 09:45:03 AM »

According to the Catechism of the Council of Trent (Written by: Saint Pope Pius V Editor: Saint Charles Borromeo)

Subdeaconate:
"Receive the book of the Epistles with power to read them in the Holy Church of God, as well for the living as for the dead."

Deaconate:
"Receive the power to read the Gospel in the Church of God both for the living and the dead in the name of the Lord."

Priesthood:
"He next anoints his hands with holy oil, and then gives him the chalice with wine and the paten with a host, saying at the same time: Receive the power to offer Sacrifice to God and to celebrate Masses both for the living and for the dead. By these words and ceremonies the priest is constituted an interpreter and mediator between God and man, which indeed must be regarded as the principal function of the priesthood.

Lastly, placing his hands a second time on the head (of the person ordained the Bishop) says: Receive the Holy Ghost; whose sins you shall forgive they are forgiven them, and whose sins you shall retain they are retained, thus communicating to him that divine power of forgiving and retaining sin which was given by our Lord to His disciples. Such, then, are the special and principal functions of the sacerdotal order."

http://www.catholicapologetics.info/thechurch/catechism/Holy7Sacraments-Orders.shtml#:~:text=Number%20of%20Orders&text=It%20should%20be%20taught%2C%20therefore,%2C%20subdeacon%2C%20deacon%20and%20priest.

Consecration of a Bishop from the Roman Pontifical 1800's:
http://bishopjosephmarie.org/doctrine/EpiscopalConsecrationRite.html

Council of Florence:
SESSION 8 22 November 1439 [Bull of union with the Armenians]
"The sixth is the sacrament of orders. Its matter is the object by whose handing over the order is conferred. So the priesthood is bestowed by the handing over of a chalice with wine and a paten with bread; the diaconate by the giving of the book of the gospels; the subdiaconate by the handing over of an empty chalice with an empty paten on it; and similarly for the other orders by allotting things connected with their ministry. The form for a priest is: Receive the power of offering sacrifice in the church for the living and the dead, in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the holy Spirit. The forms for the other orders are contained in full in the Roman pontifical. The ordinary minister of this sacrament is a bishop. The effect is an increase of grace to make the person a suitable minister of Christ."
https://www.papalencyclicals.net/councils/ecuм17.htm

Canons and Decrees of the Council of Trent:
"Canon iv. If any one shall say, that, by sacred ordination the Holy Ghost is not given; and that bishops do therefore vainly say, Receive ye the Holy Ghost; or, that a character is not thereby imprinted; or, that he who has once been a priest, can again become a layman; let him be anathema."
https://www.capdox.capuchin.org.au/reform-resources-16th-century/sources/the-canons-and-decrees-of-the-council-of-trent/#post-2439-_Toc529040216

Summa Theologica (Saint Thomas Aquinas)
"The principal act of the priest's Order is to consecrate Christ's body. Now he receives the power to this effect at the handing of the chalice. Therefore the character is imprinted on him then."

"Our Lord gave His disciples the priestly power, as regards the principal act, before His passion at the supper when He said: "Take ye and eat" (Matthew 26:26), wherefore He added: "Do this for a commemoration of Me" (Luke 22:19). After the resurrection, however, He gave them the priestly power, as to its secondary act, which is to bind and loose. "
https://www.newadvent.org/summa/5037.htm

SPelli · « **Reply #3 on:** June 21, 2023, 10:55:04 AM »

Quote from: Cryptinox on June 21, 2023, 01:41:45 AM

Pope Pius XII defined the essential form for the Traditional Roman Rite in Sacramentum Ordinis:

Ordination of a priest: “Da, quaesumus, omnipotens Pater, in hunc famulum tuum Presbyterii dignitatem; innova in visceribus eius spiritum sanctitatis, ut acceptum a Te, Deus, secundi meriti munus obtineat censuramque morum exemplo suae conversationis insinuet.”

[“Grant, we beseech Thee, Almighty Father, invest this Thy servant with the dignity of the Priesthood; do Thou renew in his heart the spirit of holiness, so that he may persevere in this office, which is next to ours in dignity, since he has received it from Thee, O God. May the example of his life lead others to moral uprightness.”]

But according to the quotes AMDGJMJ cited, the Council of Florence and the Catechism of Trent taught that the form is "Receive the power of offering sacrifice in the church for the living and the dead, in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the holy Spirit."

Pius XII also contradicts what the Council of Florence and Catechism of Trent teach concerning the matter. Pius XII said the matter is the laying on of hands: "We of Our same supreme Apostolic Authority decree and provide as follows: ... In the Ordination to the Priesthood, the matter is the first imposition off hands of the Bishop which is done in silence, but not the continuation of the same imposition through the extension of the right hand, nor the last imposition to which are attached the words: “Accipe Spiritum Sanctum: quorum remiseris peccata, etc.”

The Council of Florence and Catechism of Trent, on the other hand, teach that the matter it is the bestowal of the chalice with wine and patten with bread. See for yourself:

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Council of Florence:

SESSION 8 22 November 1439 [Bull of union with the Armenians]
"The sixth is the sacrament of orders. Its matter is the object by whose handing over the order is conferred. So the priesthood is bestowed by the handing over of a chalice with wine and a paten with bread; the diaconate by the giving of the book of the gospels; the subdiaconate by the handing over of an empty chalice with an empty paten on it; and similarly for the other orders by allotting things connected with their ministry. The form for a priest is: Receive the power of offering sacrifice in the church for the living and the dead, in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the holy Spirit."

Pius XII: The form of ordination to the priesthood is: "Grant, we beseech Thee, Almighty Father, invest this Thy servant with the dignity of the Priesthood; do Thou renew in his heart the spirit of holiness, so that he may persevere in this office, which is next to ours in dignity, since he has received it from Thee, O God. May the example of his life lead others to moral uprightness."

The Council of Florence: "The form for a priest is: Receive the power of offering sacrifice in the church for the living and the dead, in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the holy Spirit."

Pius XII said the matter is the laying on of hands: "In the Ordination to the Priesthood, the matter is the first imposition off hands of the Bishop which is done in silence..."

The Council of Florence said this: "Its matter is the object by whose handing over the order is conferred. So the priesthood is bestowed by the handing over of a chalice with wine and a paten with bread."

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Catechism of Trent: Priesthood:

"He next anoints his hands with holy oil, and then gives him the chalice with wine and the paten with a host, saying at the same time: Receive the power to offer Sacrifice to God and to celebrate Masses both for the living and for the dead. By these words and ceremonies the priest is constituted an interpreter and mediator between God and man, which indeed must be regarded as the principal function of the priesthood.

Lastly, placing his hands a second time on the head (of the person ordained the Bishop) says: Receive the Holy Ghost; whose sins you shall forgive ["Accipe Spiritum Sanctum: quorum remiseris peccata," etc.] they are forgiven them, and whose sins you shall retain they are retained, thus communicating to him that divine power of forgiving and retaining sin which was given by our Lord to His disciples. Such, then, are the special and principal functions of the sacerdotal order."

Pius XII said the matter is only the first laying on of hands, and not the second imposition to which are attached words "Receive the Holy Ghost for the forgiveness of sins." Pius XII: "In the Ordination to the Priesthood, the matter is the first imposition off hands of the Bishop which is done in silence, but not the continuation of the same imposition through the extension of the right hand, nor the last imposition to which are attached the words: “Accipe Spiritum Sanctum: quorum remiseris peccata, etc.”

The Catechism of Trent also says the second laying on of hands is the matter, and that it, along with the words "Receive the Holy Ghost for the forgiveness of sins" (form) is what communicates the divine power to forgive sins." According to Trent, there are two prayers that constitute the form, and two different acts that constitute the matter, which contradicts what Pius XII taught twice.

How do you reconcile this contradiction?

Ladislaus · « **Reply #4 on:** June 21, 2023, 11:09:40 AM »

So, yes, Pius XII defined the precise matter + essential form the the Roman Rite ordination and consecration with Sacramentum Ordinis. Of course, that's not the entire picture. When Pope Leo XIII declared the Anglican orders to be invalid in Apostolicae curae, he laid out some other considerations pertaining to validity. He stated at one point that even if the Anglicans were to fix the essential form (which I think at one point they tried to do), i.e. if the essential form were valid, the ordination could still be considered invalid due to its larger context (ex adjunctis), and many of the point that Leo XIII called out about invalidating defects in the Anglican orders could easily apply to the NO rites also.

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