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Offline All Things New

Re: What does sedeprivationism actually solve
« Reply #15 on: November 12, 2023, 02:23:26 PM »
Quote from: Ladislaus on November 11, 2023, 06:36:54 AM
It solves the problem of Father Cekada's "Aunt Helen" being able to wake up one morning and simply decide that a Pope is illegitimate and not the pope.

In straight SVism there's no room whatsoever for the authority of the Church, which absolutely must play some kind of a role in determining whether a Pope is truly a non-pope.

It addresses the same problem that John of St. Thomas articulates with regard to straight SVism, where the Church would be in chaos if any private individual could simply determine that a Pope is illegitimate at any given time.

Thank you for this explanation. Will you please expand on what you mean by room for the Church's authority? Specifically, are you saying that there is an instance in which a sedevacantist would disregard the Church's authority (and the sedeprivationist would not)?
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Offline Durango77

Re: What does sedeprivationism actually solve
« Reply #16 on: November 12, 2023, 04:45:47 PM »
Quote from: Pax Vobis on November 12, 2023, 11:29:46 AM
Sedeprivationism isn’t R&R.

I think Matthew is R/R and not a sedeprivationist, is why I said that.  Regarding sedeprivationism, I'm more and more intrigued by it as Bishop Sanborn and his priests have been really out there pushing it and doing more videos about it. Though it doesn't really seem to get us anywhere, as Francis would somehow have to convert right, throw V2 out the window? Francis doesn't seem like the type who would convert and seems to be setting up the next "papal conclave" to elect his hand picked successor, who likely will not be doing anything except continuing to push the V2 envelope.
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Offline Pax Vobis

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Re: What does sedeprivationism actually solve
« Reply #17 on: November 12, 2023, 04:49:17 PM »

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It attempts to solve the Crisis problem
No, it attempts to EXPLAIN the problem in theological/doctrinal terms.  
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Offline Durango77

Re: What does sedeprivationism actually solve
« Reply #18 on: November 12, 2023, 05:09:16 PM »
After reading Fr Cekada's great response to the R/R position of the mid 90s, he brought up Paul IV.  How does sedeprivationism get around this from Cuм Ex Apostolatus Officio?



"6. In addition, [by this Our Constitution, which is to remain valid in perpetuity We enact, determine, decree and define:-] that if ever at any time it shall appear that any Bishop, even if he be acting as an Archbishop, Patriarch or Primate; or any Cardinal of the aforesaid Roman Church, or, as has already been mentioned, any legate, or even the Roman Pontiff, prior to his promotion or his elevation as Cardinal or Roman Pontiff, has deviated from the Catholic Faith or fallen into some heresy:

(i) the promotion or elevation, even if it shall have been uncontested and by the unanimous assent of all the Cardinals, shall be null, void and worthless;

(ii) it shall not be possible for it to acquire validity (nor for it to be said that it has thus acquired validity) through the acceptance of the office, of consecration, of subsequent authority, nor through possession of administration, nor through the putative enthronement of a Roman Pontiff, or Veneration, or obedience accorded to such by all, nor through the lapse of any period of time in the foregoing situation;

(iii) it shall not be held as partially legitimate in any way;

(iv) to any so promoted to be Bishops, or Archbishops, or Patriarchs, or Primates or elevated as Cardinals, or as Roman Pontiff, no authority shall have been granted, nor shall it be considered to have been so granted either in the spiritual or the temporal domain;

(v) each and all of their words, deeds, actions and enactments, howsoever made, and anything whatsoever to which these may give rise, shall be without force and shall grant no stability whatsoever nor any right to anyone;

(vi) those thus promoted or elevated shall be deprived automatically, and without need for any further declaration, of all dignity, position, honour, title, authority, office and power."
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Offline Durango77

Re: What does sedeprivationism actually solve
« Reply #19 on: November 12, 2023, 05:26:46 PM »
And I might be missing something here, but I thought all Papal writings are contained on the Vatican Website?  For some reason my searches for this docuмent on the Vatican website are coming up with nil.
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