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Offline SimpleMan

What does Bishop Williamson say about the validity of Novus Ordo orders?
« on: January 24, 2021, 09:19:28 PM »
In all of this mess of the past 50+ years, one thing that troubles me and won't go away, is whether the orders of priest and bishop in the Novus Ordo are valid, whether in the Latin editio typica, or in the vernacular.  Needless to say, this matters.  No bishops, no priests, no sacraments, no Mass.  And I still don't get why one word --- "ut" --- got omitted from the rite of priestly ordination.  It's almost as though someone was trying to make the sacrament doubtfully valid.

I am probably being lazy at this point, by not doing the research myself, but what does Bishop Williamson have to say about this matter?
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Offline Incredulous

Re: What does Bishop Williamson say about the validity of Novus Ordo orders?
« Reply #1 on: January 24, 2021, 09:54:45 PM »



In 2008, the SSPX took the position that Novus ordo ordination rites were valid.

They spent two issues in the Angelus magazine to make their point.  Not sure if Bishop Williamson objected at this time?

Bp. Fellay needed to remove this obstacle from his campaign to be in union with newChurch. 

This was a marked change and could be said to be the beginning of the Resistance movement.
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Offline Matthew

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Re: What does Bishop Williamson say about the validity of Novus Ordo orders?
« Reply #2 on: January 24, 2021, 10:19:27 PM »
The Catholic Church likes certainty. Especially when it comes to that normal conduit of grace, Holy Orders.

If a priest -- or layman -- has a choice between "certain" and "doubtful", one is OBLIGATED to choose the "certain". It would be sinful to go with a doubtful matter, minister, etc. when a certain one was available.

This principle is one of the pillars and foundations of the whole Traditional Movement.
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Offline SimpleMan

Re: What does Bishop Williamson say about the validity of Novus Ordo orders?
« Reply #3 on: January 25, 2021, 01:02:45 AM »
Quote from: Incredulous on January 24, 2021, 09:54:45 PM


In 2008, the SSPX took the position that Novus ordo ordination rites were valid.

They spent two issues in the Angelus magazine to make their point.  Not sure if Bishop Williamson objected at this time?

Bp. Fellay needed to remove this obstacle from his campaign to be in union with newChurch.  

This was a marked change and could be said to be the beginning of the Resistance movement.
I was able to find two issues, December 2005 and January 2006, where they assert that the new rites of episcopal consecration are valid.  Is this what you are referring to?
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Offline 2Vermont

Re: What does Bishop Williamson say about the validity of Novus Ordo orders?
« Reply #4 on: January 25, 2021, 04:15:24 AM »
Quote from: Incredulous on January 24, 2021, 09:54:45 PM


In 2008, the SSPX took the position that Novus ordo ordination rites were valid.

They spent two issues in the Angelus magazine to make their point.  Not sure if Bishop Williamson objected at this time?

Bp. Fellay needed to remove this obstacle from his campaign to be in union with newChurch.  

This was a marked change and could be said to be the beginning of the Resistance movement.
It's my understanding that it was 2005.  The same year Ratzinger, consecrated in the New Rite, was elected.  
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