finally, this:

Whom do you choose? The Pope — or an outfit with no canonical status whose ministers do not legitimately exercise any ministry?

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BTNYC: not only do you "own it' with your posts, but you just gave me the best laugh in weeks.....Michael "Flock of Seagulls" Voris!


Whats truly funny is that I've met in person both Michael Voris and Mike Score (lead singer of AFOS)- I found Mike Score to be way more sincere and humble than Voris, so maybe its an insult to Mike Score to associate his band with Voris (who will lie to ones face, as he did with me).

He told me back in October 2012 that it was illicit to attend an SSPX Mass- as you've correctly pointed out, Voris is clearly acting like his Protestant father and interpreting things to his own liking.....he is simply dishonest, and his totally lame "Catholic " conference in upstate NY was typical N.O. emotional nonsense with no substance at all....suffice to say my trip out to Spokane WA at Mt. St. Michael's with the CMRI was the perfect remedy to the feel good, modernist charade I was exposed to while wanting to meet who I once believed was a true champion defender of the Faith  

Vatican II council was to water down Catholicism to bring in the Protestants.

All are welcomed to table... Is not Catholic.  The new Mass is Protestant.
Catholics are singing Protestant hymns that are in the novous ordo music issue.

Vatican II council opened the door to Protestantism and it is there with religious liberty and ecuмenicism.

Why is Rome vocal when it comes to SSPX?  But silent to sodomy and sex abuse.  

The Old Catholics are never even mention.  And these schismatics and heretics call
Themselves @ "Catholic"

So, I had two sincere questions for this Vortex.  I asked them last night, and I wanted honest answers.  They did not respond, removed my questions, and closed the comments.  

This is why I do not watch ChurchMilitantTV any longer.  


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Honest questions here. I have been attending a diocesan Tridentine Latin Mass. So, it's not even FSSP. I've never really advocated SSPX, and I've often spoken out against Sedevacantism.

1. If, as Scriptures tells us, there will one day be a time when there seems to be a Counter Church--an Abomination of Desolation--then wouldn't what we are witnessing in Rome be how that ultimate end comes about?

2. St. Francis is said to have announced this following prophecy about a time of an odious mass, a non-canonically elected pope, a time when the Franciscan order is under attack, and when a group of true Catholics will be holding the Faith together, though they will be considered schismatics. Forgive the length, but I've found the entire passage compelling. If anyone has answers, particularly CMTV staff, I am eager to hear what you have to say:

"Act bravely, my Brethren; take courage, and trust in the Lord. The time is fast approaching in which there will be great trials and afflictions; perplexities and dissensions, both spiritual and temporal, will abound; the charity of many will grow cold, and the malice of the wicked will increase.
"The devils will have unusual power, the immaculate purity of our Order, and of others, will be so much obscured that there will be very few Christians who will obey the true Sovereign Pontiff and the Roman Church with loyal hearts and perfect charity. At the time of this tribulation a man, not canonically elected, will be raised to the Pontificate, who, by his cunning, will endeavour to draw many into error and death.

"Then scandals will be multiplied, our Order will be divided, and many others will be entirely destroyed, because they will consent to error instead of opposing it.

"There will be such diversity of opinions and schisms among the people, the religious and the clergy, that, except those days were shortened, according to the words of the Gospel, even the elect would be led into error, were they not specially guided, amid such great confusion, by the immense mercy of God.

"Then our Rule and manner of life will be violently opposed by some, and terrible trials will come upon us. Those who are found faithful will receive the crown of life; but woe to those who, trusting solely in their Order, shall fall into tepidity, for they will not be able to support the temptations permitted for the proving of the elect.

"Those who preserve their fervour and adhere to virtue with love and zeal for the truth, will suffer injuries and, persecutions as rebels and schismatics; for their persecutors, urged on by the evil spirits, will say they are rendering a great service to God by destroying such pestilent men from the face of the earth. But the Lord will be the refuge of the afflicted, and will save all who trust in Him. And in order to be like their Head [Jesus Christ], these, the elect, will act with confidence, and by their death will purchase for themselves eternal life; choosing to obey God rather than man, they will fear nothing, and they will prefer to perish [physically] rather than consent to falsehood and perfidy.

"Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it under foot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor, but a destroyer."

(Works of the Seraphic Father St. Francis Of Assisi, [London: R. Washbourne, 1882], pp. 248-250; underlining and paragraph breaks added.)

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Here is my statement about the matter on the ChurchMilitantTV Facebook post about the article:

I asked two sincere questions in the comments at the end of this article. I received no answer, my questions were taken down, and the comments were closed.

To his credit, at least Terry Carrol responded to my questions in the past. I've been on the fence on this matter, and I find it difficult to criticize the SSPX when it receives the support of so many cardinals, bishops, and priests.

I would like to think that if I were asking these questions to Jesus Christ Himself, at least He would answer.

Quote from: Viva Cristo Rey

However, staying home shouldn't be an option.  It is mortal sin.  Go to SSPX, FSSP, institute of Christ the King.

What about Novus Ordo? That's the subject at hand, not "Home-Aloneism" as such.

Yes, you have to go where you are sure you will receive the sacraments. You cannot be sure at a new mass so that = stay home. Personally, I would not go to FSSP or ICK because, well, the easiest way to explain it is to say that, if you are confused about FSSP/ICK,  consider there has to be something wrong with them because Mikey Voris most likely goes to one of them regularly - but more important, MV has never condemned them.

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Quote from: BTNYC

Quote from: Viva Cristo Rey

However, staying home shouldn't be an option.  It is mortal sin.  Go to SSPX, FSSP, institute of Christ the King.

What about Novus Ordo? That's the subject at hand, not "Home-Aloneism" as such.

Yes, you have to go where you are sure you will receive the sacraments. You cannot be sure at a new mass so that = stay home. Personally, I would not go to FSSP or ICK because, well, the easiest way to explain it is to say that, if you are confused about FSSP/ICK,  consider there has to be something wrong with them because Mikey Voris most likely goes to one of them regularly - but more important, MV has never condemned them.

I think all masses that are somehow connected with NewChurch should be avoided (FSSP, ICKSP, diocesan).  Not only do you have the question of validity of ordinations/episcopal consecrations, but I have noticed that those who attend these masses are negatively affected by being part of NewChurch. I'm not sure why, but there is a difference in the way they approach the Crisis. With SSPX, I believe one should do one's homework on the priest's ordination and be cognizant of what is preached.  I'm afraid that over time, SSPX will be part of the group I mentioned above.

This is where my loneliness begins. I thank a SSPX priest for letting me know my concern over the protestantism of the Church was valid.  This is four years ago.

God has led us to an area where there is no TLM  within an hour drive. I have gone to NO in a beautiful Cathedral here a couple of times in a year and a half... and though the priest keeps it reverent... the people are nice ..it just isn't right.
 
bottom line please remember those of us who cannot go to TLM in your prayers for strength  and dedication.. we are certainly not the first to have dealt with this .. but your prayers are desperately needed.

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Quote from: Stubborn

Quote from: BTNYC

Quote from: Viva Cristo Rey

However, staying home shouldn't be an option.  It is mortal sin.  Go to SSPX, FSSP, institute of Christ the King.

What about Novus Ordo? That's the subject at hand, not "Home-Aloneism" as such.

Yes, you have to go where you are sure you will receive the sacraments. You cannot be sure at a new mass so that = stay home. Personally, I would not go to FSSP or ICK because, well, the easiest way to explain it is to say that, if you are confused about FSSP/ICK,  consider there has to be something wrong with them because Mikey Voris most likely goes to one of them regularly - but more important, MV has never condemned them.

I think all masses that are somehow connected with NewChurch should be avoided (FSSP, ICKSP, diocesan).  Not only do you have the question of validity of ordinations/episcopal consecrations, but I have noticed that those who attend these masses are negatively affected by being part of NewChurch. I'm not sure why, but there is a difference in the way they approach the Crisis. With SSPX, I believe one should do one's homework on the priest's ordination and be cognizant of what is preached.  I'm afraid that over time, SSPX will be part of the group I mentioned above.

This is where my loneliness begins. I thank a SSPX priest for letting me know my concern over the protestantism of the Church was valid.  This is four years ago.

God has led us to an area where there is no TLM  within an hour drive. I have gone to NO in a beautiful Cathedral here a couple of times in a year and a half... and though the priest keeps it reverent... the people are nice ..it just isn't right.
 
bottom line please remember those of us who cannot go to TLM in your prayers for strength  and dedication.. we are certainly not the first to have dealt with this .. but your prayers are desperately needed.

I am nobody but I will tell you to stay away completely from the new mass and have nothing to do with the NO in any way.

The new mass is an abuse of the True Mass, therefore a reverent new mass is a reverent abuse of the True Mass.

If you've not read it yet, here is a PDF of The Great Sacrilege. Read it. If that link doesn't work, use this online version Though written in 1970, it could have just as easily been written yesterday and will at least help you to understand why we can have nothing to do with the new mass.

And yes, be assured of our prayers, but get used to that hour drive, or two hour drive, even if it's only once every other week or month.

 

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Quote from: 2Vermont

Quote from: Stubborn

Quote from: BTNYC

Quote from: Viva Cristo Rey

However, staying home shouldn't be an option.  It is mortal sin.  Go to SSPX, FSSP, institute of Christ the King.

What about Novus Ordo? That's the subject at hand, not "Home-Aloneism" as such.

Yes, you have to go where you are sure you will receive the sacraments. You cannot be sure at a new mass so that = stay home. Personally, I would not go to FSSP or ICK because, well, the easiest way to explain it is to say that, if you are confused about FSSP/ICK,  consider there has to be something wrong with them because Mikey Voris most likely goes to one of them regularly - but more important, MV has never condemned them.

I think all masses that are somehow connected with NewChurch should be avoided (FSSP, ICKSP, diocesan).  Not only do you have the question of validity of ordinations/episcopal consecrations, but I have noticed that those who attend these masses are negatively affected by being part of NewChurch. I'm not sure why, but there is a difference in the way they approach the Crisis. With SSPX, I believe one should do one's homework on the priest's ordination and be cognizant of what is preached.  I'm afraid that over time, SSPX will be part of the group I mentioned above.

This is where my loneliness begins. I thank a SSPX priest for letting me know my concern over the protestantism of the Church was valid.  This is four years ago.

God has led us to an area where there is no TLM  within an hour drive. I have gone to NO in a beautiful Cathedral here a couple of times in a year and a half... and though the priest keeps it reverent... the people are nice ..it just isn't right.
 
bottom line please remember those of us who cannot go to TLM in your prayers for strength  and dedication.. we are certainly not the first to have dealt with this .. but your prayers are desperately needed.

I am nobody but I will tell you to stay away completely from the new mass and have nothing to do with the NO in any way.

The new mass is an abuse of the True Mass, therefore a reverent new mass is a reverent abuse of the True Mass.

If you've not read it yet, here is a PDF of The Great Sacrilege. Read it. If that link doesn't work, use this online version Though written in 1970, it could have just as easily been written yesterday and will at least help you to understand why we can have nothing to do with the new mass.

And yes, be assured of our prayers, but get used to that hour drive, or two hour drive, even if it's only once every other week or month.

 

Absolutely Patti.  You've got mine as well.  Know that there are many of us in a similar situation.  My husband and I go to mass once every other month 3.5-4.0 hours away even when there is a diocesan TLM only 20-30 minutes away now.