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Re: Vigano to speak at Bennyvacantist conference
« Reply #60 on: October 29, 2023, 04:26:23 PM »
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    • Quote from: Miser Peccator on October 29, 2023, 03:52:44 PM
    And by "God", Flynn means Lucifer:

    Here he leads the unsuspecting crowd in a prayer to Lucifer!!!

    2min 20sec
    https://www.bitchute.com/video/v1m94hzC06L2/


    Also, the antivaxx doctors who attend these rallies who pretend to be Christian have been exposed as Luciferian New Agers with ties to the UN.


    Here is a quote from Trump's hero, Albert Pike about what they really mean when they say "god":



    Of all the statues that were toppled during Trump's term he only requested Congress replace one:

    Albert Pike



    So yes, in consideration of all of this, I have to question why Vigano on two occasions referred to

    Our Lord Jesus Christ

    as the Sol Invictus (Unconquered Sun)

    which is the term used by Freemasons, Wiccans, and other Luciferians for Lucifer!



    Luciferians celebrate the Sol Invictus Day:


    THE IMAGE OF THE BEAST

    In Luciferian circles,. Lucifer is the Sol Invictus, in direct competition to the Son of GOD, Jesus. Christ. ~The Church Age. BABYLONIA. MEDO-PERSIA. GRECIA.

    Wishing Lucifer/Sol Invictus a happy Birthday on this ... - Reddit
    Dec 21, 2021 — The world has been covered in darkness but starting today, we will see the return of Sol Invictus, Lucifer, the Bringer of Light, ...
    How to celebrate Sol Invictus? : r/SatanicTemple_Reddit
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    Sol invictus? : r/SatanicTemple_Reddit
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    Lucifer and Sol Invictus : r/LuciferianWitchcraft - Reddit
    Nov 27, 2019
    Happy Sol Invictus! : r/Satan - Reddit
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    Here is a photo of a lodge named Sol Invictus:





    Grand Lodge of Royal Art Study

    @mlsarGrandLodge

    Grand Lodge: the bilingual lodge Sol Invictus, No 13 has two new members.
    #Freemasons #FɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყToday #FreemasonFriday #Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ #freemasons #freemason #masoniclodges #masonic #masons #scottishrite #francmasoneria #masoneria






    https://twitter.com/mlsargrandlodge/status/1057191457868693506



    So why on earth would Vigano want to use a phrase with such associations???


    And no it is not slander to ask these questions.  It is our duty:




    Pope Pius VI, Bull “Auctorem fidei," August 28, 1794: “[The Ancient Doctors] knew the capacity of innovators in the art of deception.  In order not to shock the ears of Catholics, they sought to hide the subtleties… by the use of seemingly innocuous words such as would allow them to insinuate error into souls in the most gentle manner. Once the truth had been compromised, they could, by means of slight changes or additions in phraseology, distort the confession of the faith which is necessary for our salvation, and lead the faithful by subtle errors to their eternal damnation.”

    Pope Pius VI points out that camouflaging the heresies in statements that are ambiguous or seemingly conservative or contradictory was the tactic of the heretic Nestorius, and that Catholics cannot allow heretics to get away with this or deceive them by it.  They must hold such heretics to their heresies regardless:

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    Heretics have always used ambiguity and deception to insinuate their heresies and make them seem not quite as bad.  In fact, the more deceptive the heretic is usually equates to how successful he is for the Devil.  The heretic Arius effectively spread his denial of the Divinity of Christ because he impressed people with his appearance of ascetism and devotion.

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    Pope Pius VI concludes his point by giving Catholics instructions on how to deal with such deception or ambiguity among the writings of heretics:

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    Pope Pius VI teaches us that if someone veils a heresy in ambiguity, a Catholic must hold him to the heretical meaning and denounce the heretical meaning which is camouflaged in ambiguity.  But this is only common sense: if a man says that he is against abortion, but repeatedly votes in favor of it, he is a supporter of abortion and a heretic.  The fact that he sometimes claims to hold Church teaching against abortion means nothing.

    https:// vatican  catholic.com  /anti-pope-benedict-xvi/




    “So yes, in consideration of all of this, I have to question why Vigano on two occasions referred to

    Our Lord Jesus Christ

    as the Sol Invictus (Unconquered Sun)

    which is the term used by Freemasons, Wiccans, and other Luciferians for Lucifer!”



    Fair enough question. Does anyone have any references that prove the name “Sol Invictus” was used for Our Lord?
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    Re: Vigano to speak at Bennyvacantist conference
    « Reply #61 on: October 29, 2023, 04:36:16 PM »
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    • Is Lou Holt going to be invited to talk?

    He is so right when he says many are Catholics in name only.   
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    Re: Vigano to speak at Bennyvacantist conference
    « Reply #62 on: October 29, 2023, 06:54:26 PM »
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    • Quote from: Quo vadis Domine on October 29, 2023, 04:26:23 PM

    Fair enough question. Does anyone have any references that prove the name “Sol Invictus” was used for Our Lord?

    I've posted this before ... sigh.  But the obsessive-compulsive mental cases here ignore it each time.  St. Clement of Alexandria referred to Our Lord as Helios riding in his chariot, there are early Christian tombs beneath St. Peter's that depict Our Lord as Sol Invictus, as well as other Christian iconography.  It's one slander after another by the like of the Miserable Miser against +Vigano.  Nobody says you have to like him, but that doesn't give her the license to slander him.

    Miserable Miser also slandered him by alleging he was using a Masonic term at the end of his letters, "So may it be.", likening it to "So mote it be."  I suggested that it's probably Italian translation for "Amen".  We had an Italian Traditional Catholic chime in and post a picture of a pre-Vatican II Tridentine Missal which shows Amen translated as "So may it be." in the Italian, and mentioned that his Traditional Italian priest uses the expression from the pulplit.

    No retraction from the slanderer.  Instead she continued to make that allegation after it was thoroughly debunked.

    It's pathetic, shameful, malicious, and sinful, the vitriolic slander campaign that this mental case has continued to wage against +Vigano.  It basically started because +Vigano had some positive things to say about Trump, and she hates Trump with a passion because, despite all the malarkey she pushed here about the COVID jab that discredited the anti-jab movement, she couldn't get her own family to not get the jab.  So she's taking out her own personal failures on Trump and then by extension +Vigano.
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    Re: Vigano to speak at Bennyvacantist conference
    « Reply #63 on: October 29, 2023, 07:57:00 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on October 29, 2023, 06:54:26 PM
    I've posted this before ... sigh.  But the obsessive-compulsive mental cases here ignore it each time.  St. Clement of Alexandria referred to Our Lord as Helios riding in his chariot, there are early Christian tombs beneath St. Peter's that depict Our Lord as Sol Invictus, as well as other Christian iconography.  It's one slander after another by the like of the Miserable Miser against +Vigano.  Nobody says you have to like him, but that doesn't give her the license to slander him.

    Miserable Miser also slandered him by alleging he was using a Masonic term at the end of his letters, "So may it be.", likening it to "So mote it be."  I suggested that it's probably Italian translation for "Amen".  We had an Italian Traditional Catholic chime in and post a picture of a pre-Vatican II Tridentine Missal which shows Amen translated as "So may it be." in the Italian, and mentioned that his Traditional Italian priest uses the expression from the pulplit.

    No retraction from the slanderer.  Instead she continued to make that allegation after it was thoroughly debunked.

    It's pathetic, shameful, malicious, and sinful, the vitriolic slander campaign that this mental case has continued to wage against +Vigano.  It basically started because +Vigano had some positive things to say about Trump, and she hates Trump with a passion because, despite all the malarkey she pushed here about the COVID jab that discredited the anti-jab movement, she couldn't get her own family to not get the jab.  So she's taking out her own personal failures on Trump and then by extension +Vigano.

    Talk about foaming at the mouth.  smh  :)



    Anyway, have you ever heard of a Sol Invictus Catholic Church

     or are there any prayers or litanies that invoke

     Jesus as the Sol Invictus?

    Nope.



    There is a total of ONE depiction of Sol that some claim is actually Jesus:

    The charioteer in the mosaic of Mausoleum M has been interpreted by some as Christ. Clement of Alexandria had spoken of Christ driving his chariot across the sky.[55] This interpretation is doubted by others: "Only the cross-shaped nimbus makes the Christian significance apparent",[56] and the figure is seen by some simply as a representation of the Sun with no explicit religious reference whatever, pagan or Christian.[57][13]: 567–578 

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sol_Invictus


    Did St Clement actually call Jesus the Sol Invictus or just say He drove His chariot across the sky?

    In any case, here is the ONE depiction that can be found.

    It has the 7 Fold Rays emanating from it.

    Michael Flynn refers to those 7 Fold Rays in his prayer to Lucifer I posted.





    The Catholic Encyclopedia shows that the Church struggled to rid the Church of this cult:


    Already Tertullian (Apol., 16; cf. Ad. Nat., I, 13; Orig. c. Cels., VIII, 67, etc)

    had to assert that Sol was not the Christians' God;


     Augustine (Tract xxxiv, in Joan. In P.L., XXXV, 1652)

    denounces the heretical identification of Christ with Sol.

    Pope Leo I (Serm. xxxvii in nat. dom., VII, 4; xxii, II, 6 in P.L., LIV, 218 and 198)

    bitterly reproves solar survivals — Christians, on the very doorstep of the Apostles' basilica, turn to adore the rising sun.

    Sun-worship has bequeathed features to modern popular worship in Armenia,

    where Christians had once temporarily and externally conformed to the cult of the material sun (cuмont, op. cit., p. 356).

    https://www.newadvent.org/cathen/03724b.htm





    Rosicrucian practitioners of the occult refer to Jesus as the Sol Invictus:

    https://pixels.com/featured/2-sol-invictus-mysteries-of-the-christos-daniel-gautier.html






    They are into Mithrayic mysteries:


    https://www.rosicrucian.org/rosicrucian-digest-mithraic-mysteries


    New Agers say that Sol Invictus is "Christ Consciousness". 

    It's Teillard de Chardin's Cosmic Christ and

    the Christ of the UN's Lucis Trust  (originally called Lucifer Publishing).



    There are soooo many beautiful, traditional titles for Our Lord Jesus Christ.

    There is no reason for Vigano to use this term just as in most of his communications

    which are not a prayer

    there is no reason for him to sign off with "so may it be"

    which is well known to be how the lodges end their communication:

    http://www.heredom1224.it/la-libera-muratoria/i-doveri-di-un-libero-muratore-1723.html



    People can Google "so may it be" and find plenty of info on that for themselves.



    As I posted earlier, Popes Pius VI and Pius XI made it clear that the use of ambiguous terms with dual meanings that are common to the deceivers

    should be pointed out

    and that Catholics should avoid using them.




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    Re: Vigano to speak at Bennyvacantist conference
    « Reply #64 on: October 29, 2023, 08:20:08 PM »
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    • Quote from: Miser Peccator on October 29, 2023, 07:57:00 PM

    Anyway, have you ever heard of a Sol Invictus Catholic Church

     or are there any prayers or litanies that invoke

     Jesus as the Sol Invictus?

    Nope.

    Litany of the Most Holy Name of Jesus, towards the beginning of the miserere nobis set: Jesu, sol justitiae. Even I know this. OK, not "sol invictus" but "sol" no less. (Not getting into discussions about Vigano, Flynn, Bennyvacantism, etc.)

    And about that now-familiar sun imagery going back to the early 15th century and St. Bernardino, no slouch there, canonized six years after his death, notwithstanding the anti-innovation opponents noted below:

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    Especially known for his devotion to the Holy Name of Jesus, which was previously associated with John of Vercelli and the Dominican order, Bernardino devised a symbol—IHS—the first three letters of the name of Jesus in Greek, in Gothic letters on a blazing sun. This was to displace the insignia of factions (for example, Guelphs and Ghibellines). The devotion spread, and the symbol began to appear in churches, homes and public buildings. Opponents thought it a dangerous innovation.[6]

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    Re: Vigano to speak at Bennyvacantist conference
    « Reply #65 on: October 29, 2023, 08:33:39 PM »
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    Separation of church (religion) and state (politics) is condemned by the church.  Our Lord is king over both. 
    The USA is not a catholic country and never has been.  Practically speaking, the US was founded on this false principle and it has nothing to do with Vigano.



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    To say a Catholic prelate can promote a pro-sodomite, public adulterer as someone aligned with God is completely against Church teaching.
    The Jericho rally was not 100% about Trump.  Any pro-Trump statements in the past by Vigano were disclaimed by his "hope" that Trump would be pro-natural law.  Vigano has never given a no-questions-asked endorsement of Trump. 



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    If it is acceptable because Trump is political, then someone should have told Saint John the baptist.  He would have not lost his head.
    Totally apples-oranges comparison.  
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    Re: Vigano to speak at Bennyvacantist conference
    « Reply #66 on: October 29, 2023, 09:06:57 PM »
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    • Quote from: Soubirous on October 29, 2023, 08:20:08 PM
    Litany of the Most Holy Name of Jesus, towards the beginning of the miserere nobis set: Jesu, sol justitiae. Even I know this. OK, not "sol invictus" but "sol" no less. (Not getting into discussions about Vigano, Flynn, Bennyvacantism, etc.)

    And about that now-familiar sun imagery going back to the early 15th century and St. Bernardino, no slouch there, canonized six years after his death, notwithstanding the anti-innovation opponents noted below:


    Yes, it appears they were trying to distance themselves from the

    Sol Invictus cult of Mithras

    and replace it.

    More from the Catholic Encyclopedia:


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    In the fourth century, Chrysostom, "del Solst. Et Æquin." (II, p. 118, ed. 1588), says: "Sed et dominus noster nascitur mense decembris . . . VIII Kal. Ian. . . . Sed et Invicti Natalem appelant. Quis utique tam invictus nisi dominus noster? . . . Vel quod dicant Solis esse natalem, ipse est Sol iustitiæ." — "But Our Lord, too, is born in the month of December . . . the eight before the calends of January [25 December] . . .,

    But they

    call it the 'Birthday of the Unconquered'.

    Who indeed is so unconquered as     Our Lord     . . .?

    Or, if they say that it is the birthday of the Sun,

    He is the Sun of Justice."



    So not the Unconquered Sun

    but the Sun of Justice.




    The Unconquered Sun is Lucifer.
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    Re: Vigano to speak at Bennyvacantist conference
    « Reply #67 on: October 29, 2023, 09:46:16 PM »
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    • Trump gives honor to the Sun god Apollo (another name for Sol Invictus) in his penthouse:


    Donald Trump's 66th Floor Penthouse Exposes His Idol 'Sun God' Apollo, Son of Zeus

    6min
    https://www.bitchute.com/video/39TJaSxVQXct/



    Note:   This guy is not Catholic and doesn't understand the infiltration of the Catholic Church by gnosticism.
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    Re: Vigano to speak at Bennyvacantist conference
    « Reply #68 on: October 29, 2023, 09:50:46 PM »
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    • Quote from: Pax Vobis on October 29, 2023, 08:33:39 PM



    The Jericho rally was not 100% about Trump.  Any pro-Trump statements in the past by Vigano were disclaimed by his "hope" that Trump would be pro-natural law.  Vigano has never given a no-questions-asked endorsement of Trump. 




    Vigano's participation was 100% about Trump.


    After the death toll came out Vigano, who decried the gene editing shots,

    continued to support Trump and lied

    by telling the crowds at MAGA rallies that

    the pandemic farce would have never taken place

    under Trump.

    This when Trump himself demands to be called the "Father of the Vaccine".

    That's gaslighting.

    Spellcraft.
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    Re: Vigano to speak at Bennyvacantist conference
    « Reply #69 on: October 30, 2023, 07:55:06 AM »
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    • Quote from: Miser Peccator on October 29, 2023, 07:57:00 PM

    There is a total of ONE depiction of Sol that some claim is actually Jesus:

    The charioteer in the mosaic of Mausoleum M has been interpreted by some as Christ. Clement of Alexandria had spoken of Christ driving his chariot across the sky.[55] This interpretation is doubted by others: "Only the cross-shaped nimbus makes the Christian significance apparent",[56] and the figure is seen by some simply as a representation of the Sun with no explicit religious reference whatever, pagan or Christian.[57][13]: 567–578 

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sol_Invictus


    Did St Clement actually call Jesus the Sol Invictus or just say He drove His chariot across the sky?

    Good question. 

    Did St Clement call him that or are we just assuming he did because of the chariot?  I wonder if there are any quotes rather than just a comment saying he "spoke of Christ driving his chariot across the sky".  Especially given it is mentioned in a Wikipedia entry. 

    I actually question the whole connection of Christ with the chariot.

    St Clement's reference to the chariot (as depicted in the mosaic) may have been some sort of reference to the Old Testament prophet, Elijah (knowing there were many references made to Elijah with/about Christ in the New Testament).

    The only time I recall any mention of a chariot is the reference to Elijah being caught up in a fiery chariot.  I had never heard of Christ being connected with a "chariot".
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    Re: Vigano to speak at Bennyvacantist conference
    « Reply #70 on: October 30, 2023, 08:07:39 AM »
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    • Quote from: Miser Peccator on October 29, 2023, 07:57:00 PM

    The Catholic Encyclopedia shows that the Church struggled to rid the Church of this cult:


    Already Tertullian (Apol., 16; cf. Ad. Nat., I, 13; Orig. c. Cels., VIII, 67, etc)

    had to assert that Sol was not the Christians' God;


     Augustine (Tract xxxiv, in Joan. In P.L., XXXV, 1652)

    denounces the heretical identification of Christ with Sol.

    Pope Leo I (Serm. xxxvii in nat. dom., VII, 4; xxii, II, 6 in P.L., LIV, 218 and 198)

    bitterly reproves solar survivals — Christians, on the very doorstep of the Apostles' basilica, turn to adore the rising sun.

    Sun-worship has bequeathed features to modern popular worship in Armenia,

    where Christians had once temporarily and externally conformed to the cult of the material sun (cuмont, op. cit., p. 356).

    https://www.newadvent.org/cathen/03724b.htm

    CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA: Christmas (newadvent.org)

    Although this entry discusses the date of the Birth of Our Lord, it is clear that the Church has repeatedly denounced connections with the pagan solar feast Invictus Natali.

    Which is why I tend to think that St Clement did not actually call Christ "Sol Invictus".  
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    Re: Vigano to speak at Bennyvacantist conference
    « Reply #71 on: October 30, 2023, 08:20:25 AM »
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    • Quote from: 2Vermont on October 30, 2023, 08:07:39 AM
    CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA: Christmas (newadvent.org)

    Although this entry discusses the date of the Birth of Our Lord, it is clear that the Church has repeatedly denounced connections with the pagan solar feast Invictus Natali.

    Which is why I tend to think that St Clement did not actually call Christ "Sol Invictus". 

    St. Clement called him Helios with his chariot.  I cited the passage regardless of what you "tend to think".  Can you even read?

    Give this stupidity a rest.  I'm sure +Vigano is some sun-worshipping Mason who'd harming the Church by publicly denouncing Bergoglio as an anti-pope.
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    Re: Vigano to speak at Bennyvacantist conference
    « Reply #72 on: October 30, 2023, 08:32:02 AM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on October 30, 2023, 08:20:25 AM
    St. Clement called him Helios with his chariot.  I cited the passage regardless of what you "tend to think".  Can you even read?

    Give this stupidity a rest.  I'm sure +Vigano is some sun-worshipping Mason who'd harming the Church by publicly denouncing Bergoglio as an anti-pope.
    What passage?  I didn't see a passage....I saw your comments saying he said that. And even if he did say that, that doesn't mean it is a good thing to do.

    I am discussing the issue.  I'm not saying Vigano is a Mason. I never said I agree with MP on that. I do think it is worthy of discussion even if your loyalty and devotion to Vigano blinds you and makes you incapable of doing that.

    And lay off the insults.  
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    Re: Vigano to speak at Bennyvacantist conference
    « Reply #73 on: October 30, 2023, 08:37:45 AM »
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    • Quote from: 2Vermont on October 30, 2023, 08:32:02 AM
    What passage?  I didn't see a passage....I saw your comments saying he said that. And even if he did say that, that doesn't mean it is a good thing to do.

    I am discussing the issue.  I'm not saying Vigano is a Mason. I never said I agree with MP on that. I do think it is worthy of discussion even if your loyalty and devotion to Vigano blinds you and makes you incapable of doing that.

    I've cited the passage several times as this stupidity keeps coming up.

    Well, then, what are you claiming about +Vigano with his "Sol Invictus" imagery?  What are the implications?  That he's some kind of Masonic Rosicrucian sun-worshipper?

    Disagree with his use of the imagery if you want (though the association between Our Lord and the sun is nearly as old as Christianity itself ... one of the reasons Christians faced East and awaited the rising sun for Mass), but what exactly are the implications you're making by constantly bringing this up?
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    Re: Vigano to speak at Bennyvacantist conference
    « Reply #74 on: October 30, 2023, 08:45:16 AM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on October 30, 2023, 08:37:45 AM
    I've cited the passage several times as this stupidity keeps coming up.

    Well, then, what are you claiming about +Vigano with his "Sol Invictus" imagery?  What are the implications?  That he's some kind of Masonic Rosicrucian sun-worshipper?

    Disagree with his use of the imagery if you want (though the association between Our Lord and the sun is nearly as old as Christianity itself ... one of the reasons Christians faced East and awaited the rising sun for Mass), but what exactly are the implications you're making by constantly bringing this up?
    Oh, so there was no passage and yet you insulted my ability to read?   

    For your information, I have not "constantly" brought this up.  In fact, this is actually the first time I am even considering it.  I have never "brought it up".  As such, I have made no conclusions. 

    What I am sure of is I am not convinced Vigano is all what he's cracked up to be....unlike you.
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