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Re: Vigano to speak at Bennyvacantist conference
« Reply #120 on: October 31, 2023, 09:32:53 AM »
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    • Quote from: TheRealMcCoy on October 31, 2023, 09:04:36 AM
    What about OJ?
    You're wasting your breath.  And to be fair, OJ is definitely not analogous to a saint of the Church and a Church trial is not analogous to our secular trials.

    Having said that, according to PV you can NEVER bring up the fact that someone was brought up on allegations EVEN IF you also mention they were found not guilty.  And if you do, you are uncharitable.  ::)




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    Re: Vigano to speak at Bennyvacantist conference
    « Reply #121 on: October 31, 2023, 10:59:34 AM »
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    What about OJ?
    Please provide beyond-a-reasonable-doubt evidence that he killed someone.  If not, then you can't smear his name.  That's catholic justice.
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    Re: Vigano to speak at Bennyvacantist conference
    « Reply #122 on: October 31, 2023, 11:06:00 AM »
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    according to PV you can NEVER bring up the fact that someone was brought up on allegations EVEN IF you also mention they were found not guilty.  And if you do, you are uncharitable.
    It isn't according to me, it's according to 1) common sense and 2) basic legal and moral rules.

    If you already know that the court system found someone innocent, then *logically* you know the allegations were FALSE.  Ergo, to bring up the allegations on their own is to imply/spread false statements or facts.  To spread false statements/facts, knowing they are false, is a sin.  It's also sinful in that it damages a person's reputation.

    p.s. You only mentioned he was not guilty in 1 post.  A few of your other posts, you simply mentioned the allegations.
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    Re: Vigano to speak at Bennyvacantist conference
    « Reply #123 on: October 31, 2023, 11:09:01 AM »
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    • Quote from: TheRealMcCoy on October 31, 2023, 09:04:36 AM
    What about OJ?
    Quote from: Pax Vobis on October 31, 2023, 10:59:34 AM
    Please provide beyond-a-reasonable-doubt evidence that he killed someone.  If not, then you can't smear his name.  That's catholic justice.


    For the sake of accuracy, OJ was actually found guilty in a civil trial:

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    Rufo v. Simpson (2001)
     Annotate this Case

    [No. B112612. Second Dist., Div. Two. Jan. 26, 2001.]
    SHARON RUFO et al., Plaintiffs and Respondents, v. ORENTHAL JAMES SIMPSON, Defendant and Appellant.
    (Superior Court of Los Angeles County, Nos. SC031947, SC036340 and SC036876, Hiroshi Fujisaki, Judge.)
    (Opinion by Vogel (C. S.), P. J., with Epstein and Hastings, JJ., concurring.)
    COUNSEL
    Baker, Silberberg & Keener, Robert C. Baker and Daniel Patrick Leonard for Defendant and Appellant.
    Hornberger, Ghazarians & Brewer and Michael A. Brewer for Plaintiff and Respondent Sharon Rufo.
    Mitchell Silberberg & Knupp, Thomas P. Lambert, Peter B. Gelblum, Yvette Molinaro, Jeffrey D. Goldman; O'Melveny & Myers and Daniel M. Petrocelli for Plaintiff and Respondent Fredric Goldman.
    Edward J. Horowitz and John Quinlan Kelly for Plaintiff and Respondent Louis H. Brown. [86 Cal. App. 4th 581]
    OPINION
    VOGEL (C. S.), P. J.-
    Introduction
    These consolidated civil actions arise from the murders of Nicole Brown Simpson and Ronald Lyle Goldman. A jury found that defendant Orenthal James (O.J.) Simpson committed these homicides willfully and wrongfully,...
    ...
    In a prior criminal trial, Simpson was acquitted of the murders of Nicole and Ronald. In the present civil trial, the jury concluded that Simpson killed Nicole and Ronald. Simpson does not contend on appeal that the evidence is legally insufficient to support the jury's verdict.


    https://law.justia.com/cases/california/court-of-appeal/4th/86/573.html

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    Re: Vigano to speak at Bennyvacantist conference
    « Reply #124 on: October 31, 2023, 11:12:27 AM »
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    For the sake of accuracy, OJ was actually found guilty in a civil trial:
    Good point.  Although the inclusion of OJ is totally off-topic.  In this case, we can trust the Church's decision to declare Bernardino innocent.  And the allegations should never be mentioned again, since they were false.
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    Re: Vigano to speak at Bennyvacantist conference
    « Reply #125 on: October 31, 2023, 12:55:16 PM »
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    • Quote from: Quo vadis Domine on October 31, 2023, 05:17:17 AM

    Miser, can you give the reference for the two occasions when Vigano mentioned Sol Invictus? Yes, I do have a problem with that term being use for Our Lord since no one seems to have a reference for that name being used in the past.

    I completely understand that the Sun has been used to represent Our Lord, but you are making a compelling case.

    Just so I don’t get unjustly attacked by certain members of this forum, I want to make it clear that I’m still giving Vigano the benefit of the doubt at this point.




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    In the Martyrology on Christmas Eve, we heard sung the announcement of the Birth of the Savior secundum carnem (“according to the flesh”) placed in history with a multiplicity of precise and detailed chronological references.


        The Toto orbe in pace composito (“entire world having been brought together in peace”) that the cantor solemnly pronounces shortly before raising the tone of his voice to mark the historical reality of the salvific event of Christ’s Birth refers to the triple triumph of Augustus, author and peacemaker of the Roman Empire.

        A human and pagan triumph, certainly; but which was intended to prepare the eternal triumph of the Rex pacificus (“the King of Peace”), the immortal Emperor, the unconquered Sun.

    https://insidethevatican.com/news/newsflash/letter-15-2023-thur-jan-12-vigano/



     
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    And this is true also for the Advent liturgy: Regem venturum Dominum, venite adoremus, the singing of the first prayer, intoned in the middle of the night in anticipation of the rising of the true Unconquered Sun.
    https://www.lifesitenews.com/opinion/abp-vigano-in-this-time-of-crisis-we-must-use-advent-to-prepare-for-the-trials-that-lie-ahead/




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    As the thousands of people who met in Fatima on October 13, one hundred and five years ago were able to recognize, we must see in that shining sun the unconquered Sun, Our Lord Jesus Christ, center of the cosmos created by Him omnia per ipsum facta sunt, et sine ipso factum est nihil quod factum est (Jn 1:3), and even more the center of the Redemption that sets the axis of the Earth to rotate around the Cross: stat Crux, dum volvitur orbis.
    https://www.cathinfo.com/fighting-errors-in-the-modern-world/msgr-vigano's-shotgun-blast/





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    Re: Vigano to speak at Bennyvacantist conference
    « Reply #126 on: October 31, 2023, 12:56:04 PM »
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    • Quote from: Pax Vobis on October 31, 2023, 11:12:27 AM
    Good point.  Although the inclusion of OJ is totally off-topic.  In this case, we can trust the Church's decision to declare Bernardino innocent.  And the allegations should never be mentioned again, since they were false.


    It's not about whether St Clement was found innocent or not.

    This isn't about St Clement or his character.

    This is about the dangers of Sun imagery,

    being used for Our Lord Jesus.


    (specifically the title Unconquered Sun/Sol Invictus)

    The Church saw that as a possible danger and something worth investigating.

    Just like murder is worth investigating,

    using Sun imagery for Our Lord is worth investigating.


    So that is what we are doing.

    We are asking questions and investigating.

    That is not a sin.
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    Re: Vigano to speak at Bennyvacantist conference
    « Reply #127 on: October 31, 2023, 01:27:06 PM »
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    The Church saw that as a possible danger and something worth investigating.

    Just like murder is worth investigating,

    using Sun imagery for Our Lord is worth investigating.
    :facepalm:  It's already been investigated.  Bernardino was found innocent.  So there's no "danger".  Duh?
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    Re: Vigano to speak at Bennyvacantist conference
    « Reply #128 on: October 31, 2023, 01:31:42 PM »
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    • Quote from: trad123 on October 31, 2023, 02:17:25 AM



    St. Clement of Alexandria

    Exhortation to the Heathen (Chapter 11)


    https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/020811.htm







    The Mystical City of God, Volume 1

    Venerable Mary of Agreda






    Isaiah 11: 1-3





    The Mystical City of God, Volume II

    Venerable Mary of Agreda



    Sol Divinus




    Isaiah 30:26





    St. Thomas Aquinas

    Catena Aurea on Luke

    Chapter 21, Lecture 6


    https://aquinas.cc/la/en/~CaLuke.C21.L6.18



    Sol Divinus






    St. Ambrose

    On the Death of Satyrus (Book II)


    https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/34032.htm



    Sol Aeternus





    The Fathers of the Church: A New Translation 

    Saint Ambrose:  Letters 

    68. To Clementainus*

    *An undated letter, attributed to Irenaeus in the manuscripts, although its contents connect it with the following letter to Clementianus.



    Pages 407-8


    https://archive.org/details/saintambroselett0000unse/page/406/mode/2up




    Sol Aeternus






    A Manual of Catholic Theology: Based on Dogmatik (Complete in Two Volumes)

    Matthias Joseph Scheeben

    Book II. God

    Chapter V. Divine Life

    Yes, exactly, the rays of the sun etc. are lovely symbols used by Catholics.

    Sadly, there are Gnostic New Agers who use the same imagery.

    They have a Christ, and a Jesus, and many other "Ascended Masters" including Catholic Saints such as St Francis, and St Therese, and they include Mother Theresa and Pope JPII and Padre Pio, etc.

    and Mother Mary and they often promote the rosary.

    Elizabeth Clare Prophet, the originator of that "prayer" Michael Flynn read, even promotes Fatima:

    https://www.ascendedmastersspiritualretreats.org/archangel-raphael-mother-mary-fatima/


    So when they talk about their "god" they are talking about Lucifer

    and when they invoke the saints they are talking about the Ascended Masters

    and when they talk about the Seven Fold Rays they are referring to

    the sun god, Sol Invictus.

    They use the term:   I AM

    because they ultimately believe we are all our own god.

    It's nutty, but it's very, very real and it's the religion of the United Nations:  Theosophy

    (note:  JPII was taught acting by a Theosophist linked to Blavatsky)

    Anyway, Theosophy is just a fancy name for Luciferian

    Really, Luciferianism, Satanism, Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ, Rosicrucianism, Gnosticism, Kabbalah, etc. etc.

    are like Mexican food.   The same ingredients are usually there (such as ecuмanism) but they are just presented in different ways.


    People should research: 

    Ascended Masters

    Master Jesus

    Lucis Trust "Christ"

    Sol Invictus


    so they are not deceived by these people when they sound Catholic.


    When you do research, do a Google Images search as well to see their symbols which are good clues to learn to look for.


    Hugo Talks put out a few videos on how the MAGA rallies are connected to the Luciferian UN.  

    Here is one:

    https://hugotalks.com/2022/04/19/trumps-new-age-doctor-network-hugo-talks/


    Satan doesn't need to deceive the people on the left.

    They are already deceived. They are already in the bag.

    He needs to deceive the people on the "right".

    He especially wants to deceive Catholics.

    So we have to stay on our toes and notice the details.

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    Re: Vigano to speak at Bennyvacantist conference
    « Reply #129 on: October 31, 2023, 01:35:37 PM »
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    • St Athanasius was excommunicated (unjustly) multiple times by Arian heretics.  But you guys keep arguing that it's ok to say half-truths, such as:  "Well, St Athanasius was excommunicated, so..."  Except we already KNOW the excommunications were unjust/false.  So to even mention what happened to St Athanasius, without mentioning he was innocent or the charges were false, is completely dishonest.

    I can't believe you're defending this.
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    Re: Vigano to speak at Bennyvacantist conference
    « Reply #130 on: October 31, 2023, 01:36:03 PM »
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    • Quote from: Pax Vobis on October 31, 2023, 01:27:06 PM
    :facepalm:  It's already been investigated.  Bernardino was found innocent.  So there's no "danger".  Duh?


    I don't see any danger...


    The Satanic Temple (TST) has announced the arrival of new artwork at the Illinois Capitol Rotunda in celebration of the

    Satanic holiday -- Sol Invictus,

    which takes place on the 25th of December.



    Nope. Nothing to see here. Happy Sol Invictus Day!

    Go back to sleep.  :sleep:
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    Re: Vigano to speak at Bennyvacantist conference
    « Reply #131 on: October 31, 2023, 02:02:55 PM »
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    • Quote from: Miser Peccator on October 31, 2023, 12:56:04 PM

    It's not about whether St Clement was found innocent or not.

    This isn't about St Clement or his character.

    This is about the dangers of Sun imagery,

    being used for Our Lord Jesus.


    (specifically the title Unconquered Sun/Sol Invictus)

    The Church saw that as a possible danger and something worth investigating.

    Just like murder is worth investigating,

    using Sun imagery for Our Lord is worth investigating.


    So that is what we are doing.

    We are asking questions and investigating.

    That is not a sin.
    Don't bother.  It's obvious PV is just carrying on about the references to St Bernardino in order to avoid the topic at hand: investigating real, valid concerns about Vigano (who may be innocent or not).  
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    Re: Vigano to speak at Bennyvacantist conference
    « Reply #132 on: October 31, 2023, 02:16:28 PM »
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    • Let's simply it:  In the past, Catholics associated Christ with the Sun, as He is the "light of the world", just like the sun.  In the past, the pagans worshiped the sun.  In current times...nothing has changed.  Good and bad people use the same imagery for opposite purposes.  Newsflash:  this has been going on for centuries.
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    Re: Vigano to speak at Bennyvacantist conference
    « Reply #133 on: October 31, 2023, 02:32:21 PM »
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    • Quote from: 2Vermont on October 31, 2023, 02:02:55 PM
    Don't bother.  It's obvious PV is just carrying on about the references to St Bernardino in order to avoid the topic at hand: investigating real, valid concerns about Vigano (who may be innocent or not). 

    Yes, he is clearly committed to misunderstanding,

    but it allows others who are reading to learn more about the problem.
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    Re: Vigano to speak at Bennyvacantist conference
    « Reply #134 on: October 31, 2023, 02:34:50 PM »
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    • Quote from: Pax Vobis on October 31, 2023, 02:16:28 PM
    Let's simply it:  In the past, Catholics associated Christ with the Sun, as He is the "light of the world", just like the sun.  In the past, the pagans worshiped the sun.  In current times...nothing has changed.  Good and bad people use the same imagery for opposite purposes.  Newsflash:  this has been going on for centuries.


    Yes, and only ONE group uses the title SOL INVICTUS

    for their god 

    and it isn't the Catholics.


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