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Re: Video: Archbishop Thuc and his Legacy
« Reply #15 on: August 04, 2020, 02:36:19 AM »
He was made an Archbishop by John XXIII who started Vatican Council II and was pretty close to Paul VI. Paul VI continued what John XXIII started.

John XXIII is the founder of the Second Vatican Council. Then again, whatever John XXIII's disposition was, we don't fully know. Before the second session of the council could open, John XXIII died. Pope John XXIII never signed one docuмent of the Second Vatican Council. In fact on his deathbed, John XXIII's last words as reported by Jean Guitton who was a peritus at the council were: "Stop the Council; Stop the Council." The Second Vatican Council stomped on John XXIII because John XXIII wanted the Second Vatican Council to be more like the First Vatican Council or the Council of Trent. The Catholic Church was infiltrated. John XXIII was very upset after the first session of the council when he realized that the papacy had lost control of the whole process. John XXIII solemnly confirmed the use of Latin, reaffirmed traditional practices, condemned all attempts at modernism when it came to the celebrant of the Holy Mass, ordered Gregorian Chant, and forbade women from entry to the altar area. All of this got stomped on. John XXIII created a monster.

Re: Video: Archbishop Thuc and his Legacy
« Reply #16 on: August 04, 2020, 09:11:35 AM »


Mac,

As my dear Grandmother used to say, "Bless your heart".  I wish it were true.  

As the photos below show, Angelo Giuseppe Roncalli had a lot of issues.

The following link might be the most articulate overview of the high-jacking or "Eclipse" of the Catholic Church in 1958.



















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Re: Video: Archbishop Thuc and his Legacy
« Reply #17 on: August 04, 2020, 11:01:24 AM »
This was has much more detail about Roncalli ...



Re: Video: Archbishop Thuc and his Legacy
« Reply #18 on: August 04, 2020, 11:45:22 AM »
What is not being said and needs to be said is there are 2 Thuc lines.  Bishop Moises Carmona and Bishop Guerard des Lauriers.  They are different.

The First post of difference is minor and favors the line of consecrations initiated by Archbishop Lefebvre.

While the consecrations of Archbishop Thuc were conferred in a secret manner, great publicity surrounded the consecrations  at Econe. but after the consecrations of Guerard des Lauriers and the Mexican priests, the attacks on Archbishop Thuc led to their losing their secret character. They became public and Rome provided these consecrations with the notoriety which they formerly lacked.

Second difference favors the line established by Archbishop Thuc.  Those consecrations performed by Archbishop Thuc were performed by someone (?) who had recognized and publicly declared the Holy See lacked a formaliter pope. Two fortunate things followed from this recognition of the absence of any Authority.  It allowed both consecrator and those consecrated to invoke the principle of epikeia in presuming an apostolic mandate and as a result rendered the consecrations conferred, not only valid, but also licit.

Bishop Carmona was the 2nd difference compared to Bishop Guerard des Lauriers.  What is understood is Bishop Carmona was correct. 

Re: Video: Archbishop Thuc and his Legacy
« Reply #19 on: August 04, 2020, 11:51:28 AM »
This was has much more detail about Roncalli ...



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