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Offline Viva Cristo Rey

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Re: TVs everywhere
« Reply #15 on: March 04, 2025, 01:54:36 PM »
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  • The Catholic Church is in crisis because of the world. 

    Tv is of the world.  

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    Re: TVs everywhere
    « Reply #16 on: March 04, 2025, 01:59:26 PM »
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  • You are so immature.  I guess the true traditional Catholics prior to Vatican II were puritanical and a behavior of a Luddite.  How old are you that you cant listen to Mass and use your brain to assist at an overflow Mass?  Obviously you lack critical thinking if you think tv is traditional Catholicism. 
    The Catholics prior to Vatican II did not need overflow rooms because there were so many valid, licit masses available. How old are you that you cannot differentiate between a television being used to stream Mass versus movies, tv shows, etc.? Too old.
    John 15:19  If you had been of the world, the world would love its own: but because you are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.


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    Re: TVs everywhere
    « Reply #17 on: March 04, 2025, 02:01:50 PM »
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  • I guess third orders are puritan and Amish like?  

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    5. They are not to go to unseemly parties or to shows or dances. They shall not donate to actors, and shall forbid their household to donate.
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    [color=rgb(var(--color_15))]Or other forms of entertainment where the vice of the world is put on display. Nor are they to pay for use of entertainment platforms for secular means such as Amazon Prime, Netflix, and the many others. This is how we are interpreting “donate to actors.”
    • The computer or phone, too is not to be used for any type of secular entertainment which brings our faculties to their base function.
    • Here we are including secular news sources as worldly entertainments and base use of our faculties, as we know that mostly all news has become sensationalized, anti-God, and ideologically-driven and so must be avoided. This is especially the case for men who become very easily addicted to these forms of sensory gratification.
    • iPhone, Androids, and all like phones are forbidden unless mandated by our work place, in which their use is permitted for work but not personal use.
    • All phones are to be simple.

    † “Love not the world, nor the things which are in the world” (John 2:15). This contempt of the world and its pleasures passed from the Heart of our Divine Redeemer to that of His Apostles. The Rule of the Third Order, being drafted from the counsels of evangelical perfection, naturally bears the impress of this same spirit, and declares that the noisy turmoil and dissipation of the gαy world is incompatible with the sanctity of a Christian life.
    Let the Tertiaries, then, never forget that in their profession they have renewed before God and men the vows made at their baptism, to renounce the devil and all his works. They must observe not merely the letter of the Rule in this respect, but also the spirit of it. They are forbidden balls, where modesty is so often imperilled, and theatres, where human passions have their full sway, and where the most solid virtue suffers some taint. Let us hear on this subject an eminent master of spiritual life:
    “Were the theatre to confine itself to the representation of memorable historical events, to the reproduction of the edifying actions of great men, it would not be objectionable. But this is not the case. We find there, on the contrary, everything combined to excite the passions. The splendor and fascination of the stage, the artful representations enhanced by seductive decorations, the ensnaring pantomimes and indecorous dress of the actors and actresses — what can they produce but temptations? Add to this the subjects which compose the plays: what are they but a glorification of the passions? Very often, also, religion and sacred persons and things are held up to ridicule, and made subservient in a most unworthy manner to the gratification of a morbid curiosity. And were it even possible for a person to witness such spectacles without arousing his passions, it is nevertheless sinful to expose ourselves to temptation, because it is our duty always and everywhere to watch over our senses and to repel dangerous thoughts and ideas. Can it, moreover, be excusable to spend money for such things, whilst poverty and distress surround us and clamor for relief?”
    As to dancing — it is at best a frivolous amusement, usually fraught with dangerous consequences for soul and body, and therefore an abomination to virtuous persons. The propensity to indulge in it betrays a great levity of character and want of religious zeal. We may therefore reasonably conclude that dancing is an insurmountable obstacle to that perfection, which members of the Third Order are supposed to profess.
    The members should also avoid public houses, and, in fact, any places of loose public resort. Gambling of any sort is strictly for-bidden, as well as acting, or taking part in any conversations or actions inconsistent with modesty and purity. At the same time innocent recreations are not forbidden. Tertiaries must, then, try to steer the middle course between the pernicious follies of the age and a moroseness and melancholy which are incompatible with the real Christian spirit of love and joy. They must strive to edify the world by their modesty and charity, so as to make virtue and piety attractive, by a greater sweetness, kindness, and benevolence, towards all with whom they are brought in contact. So will they win souls to Christ, and their apostolate will bring forth fruit a hundred-fold.
    The reading of bad books, papers, novels, plays, in a word of the trashy literature of the day, in which vice and passion are clothed in the most seductive colors to insinuate their fatal poison into the soul, is one of the chief causes of prevalent immorality and infidelity. Tertiaries should have recourse to their spiritual director or prefect for advice in the selection of reading matter, and they will be sure of partaking of wholesome mental food
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    Re: TVs everywhere
    « Reply #18 on: March 04, 2025, 02:02:29 PM »
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  • The Catholic Church is in crisis because of the world.

    Tv is of the world. 


    Lack of critical thinking on display yet again. What is more likely, that Padre Pio was referring to a television being used to watch movies, shows, news, sports etc., or that he was referring to a television screen being used to stream the mass in an overflow room? (Hint: The latter usage did not exist yet!) That should narrow down the possible answers from two to one. Use your thinking cap!
    John 15:19  If you had been of the world, the world would love its own: but because you are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.

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    Re: TVs everywhere
    « Reply #19 on: March 04, 2025, 02:02:46 PM »
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  • Third Order Franciscans. 

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    Re: TVs everywhere
    « Reply #20 on: March 04, 2025, 02:09:10 PM »
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  • Lack of critical thinking on display yet again. What is more likely, that Padre Pio was referring to movies, shows, news, sports etc., or that he was referring to a television screen being used to stream the mass in an overflow room? (Hint: The latter usage did not exist yet!) That should narrow down the possible answers from two to one. Use your thinking cap!
    Padre Pio discourage Catholics from even purchasing a television.  That’s correct tv anywhere in church is a new and modernist.   You even admit it. Use your thinking cap.  TV in church is so very Protestant and Novus Ordo.   You don’t need tv , you need speakers or maybe your brain is so dull that you can’t listen and comprehend.  Use your thinking cap. Most tvs are used to spy and collect data.  

    who paid for the tv and service?   Maybe take the money and put it towards a bigger church. 



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    Re: TVs everywhere
    « Reply #21 on: March 04, 2025, 02:14:09 PM »
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    Third Order of St Pius X


    “No TV means no TV at all, even if you are going to use it only for watching good movies... I remember how the laity, even non tertiaries, where encouraged to remove their TVs from home, for even owning one might be a "near occasion of sin", or you might give ways to corrupt your children……..”


    THIS IS NOT MY POST.  Just another puritan. Lol




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    Re: TVs everywhere
    « Reply #22 on: March 04, 2025, 02:20:30 PM »
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  • The Catholics prior to Vatican II did not need overflow rooms because there were so many valid, licit masses available. How old are you that you cannot differentiate between a television being used to stream Mass versus movies, tv shows, etc.? Too old.

    It would seem that an adjacent "overflow room" that allows the person to be "morally present" suffices to satisfy the Precept of "hearing Mass."

    But watching a Mass on a screen from one's home, for example, would not provide the "moral presence" to satisfy the Precept. Still, watching from home seems better than nothing, as long as the person watching the screen did not think that they satisfied the Precept by doing so. 


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    2577. How Mass Must Be Heard.—In reference to the person who hears Mass, the positive part of the precept calls for external assistance and internal devotion.

    (a) Thus, the external or bodily assistance must be such that one can be said to take part in the divine worship. This happens when one is physically present, that is, when one is in the same building or place as the celebrant and can either see or hear him, or is morally present, that is, not in the same building but able to see or hear him naturally (e.g., by looking from the window of a neighboring house), or is unable to see or hear him but joined with the congregation (e.g., those who are outside the closed doors of the church but who can follow the bells and choir to some extent, those who are inside with the congregation but behind a pillar that shuts off the view). In a field Mass amplifiers can carry the voice far out to the edge of a vast crowd. But there does not seem to be a sufficient moral presence when Mass is “seen” by television or “heard” over the radio, since in these cases one is not present to the consecrated species or united to the worshippers.




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    Re: TVs everywhere
    « Reply #23 on: March 04, 2025, 02:26:29 PM »
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  • One can say speakers have no place in church, either. Are they not technology? People could simply sit outside and read their missals. Are speakers not used outside church to broadcast evil?  Perhaps we should not use cars to get to Mass, either! After all, billions of people use motor vehicles for evil purposes. Can you walk to Mass?  
    Is it not sinful to even comment on CI? Billions use the internet to view pornography. The point is, that technology in itself is neither good nor evil. Just make sure our use of it is for the good of our soul. 
    Anything can be made into an idol. Many people, women in particular, make their clothes into an idol.  So, shall we go about naked or wear burlap potato sacks or Hefty bags with three holes cut in them?It’s fine if you personally choose not to watch Mass on a TV, keep your eyes averted and read your missal, or just listen with your eyes closed, but please don’t impose your choice on a neutral matter on others. 
    TVs in chapels aren’t tuned in to broadcast shows any more than speakers are blasting death metal rock music. And honestly, if a very tall man blocks my view at Mass, or I find myself seated by people who distract me, I move if at all possible. I can scoot a little ways to either side to see around a tall man. Once, I moved as discreetly as possible to a pew on the opposite side of the church because a woman sitting beside me had on a fur coat to which I was allergic. Sneezing, coughing, nose blowing is not only annoying to me, but to those around me including the woman with the coat! I don’t what kind of fur it was, but I was clearly allergic!  I had nothing personally against the woman; I didn’t know her. I wouldn’t think of telling her it was sinful to wear a fur coat to church, or anywhere else for that matter! 

    BTW, the person resorting to name calling and rudeness to Viva, please stop. This IS a case where one should disagree agreeably!   

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    Re: TVs everywhere
    « Reply #24 on: March 04, 2025, 02:34:41 PM »
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  • The Catholics prior to Vatican II did not need overflow rooms because there were so many valid, licit masses available. How old are you that you cannot differentiate between a television being used to stream Mass versus movies, tv shows, etc.? Too old.
    The tv has access to other channels. Who is paying for the tv and service.  It’s a waste of money.  

    Tv is part of the problem why there are not many valid licit masses available.   duh.  How blind are you people to see that owning a tv has caused many problems in our society.   Padre Pio advised Catholics to dress modestly and don’t own a tv.  Third order St Pius X also said not to own tv and dress modestly. 

    We can see that traditional Catholicism is sliding back into modernism.  

    This all how the Catholic Church ended up in apostasy. 


      

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    « Reply #25 on: March 04, 2025, 02:36:45 PM »
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  • I shouldn’t have to breathe in cigarettes or pot at Mass either. 
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    Re: TVs everywhere
    « Reply #26 on: March 04, 2025, 02:44:04 PM »
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  • Third Order Franciscans.
    Third Orders have joined by choice and agreed to the rules. They don’t expect nonmembers to  obey them or cater to them in different environments. I don’t own a TV, don’t see any use for one in my home since, as you say, there is so much rot on them. There’s nothing good on TV that I can’t access on my tablet. Nonetheless, if I go to someone else’s home and there’s a TV, I don’t tell them to get rid of it. How do I know how they use it? Maybe it’s for watching old videos of good shows, or they’ve a video of their wedding or old Masses, their children’s Confirmations or other Sacraments. I don’t refuse to enter their home if I see a TV.  The only time I’d say anything is if there’s something bad playing on it. If I’ve taken a vow to never watch or be in the presence of a TV, well, I could ask them to turn it off, and if they refused, I have to excuse myself and leave. Most Catholics are not Third Order Franciscans. 

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    « Reply #27 on: March 04, 2025, 02:55:02 PM »
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  • Padre Pio discourage Catholics from even purchasing a television.  That’s correct tv anywhere in church is a new and modernist.  You even admit it. Use your thinking cap.  TV in church is so very Protestant and Novus Ordo.  You don’t need tv , you need speakers or maybe your brain is so dull that you can’t listen and comprehend.  Use your thinking cap. Most tvs are used to spy and collect data. 

    who paid for the tv and service?  Maybe take the money and put it towards a bigger church.
    Again, Padre Pio was not referring to a TV used to internally view and hear what is going on inside the church. Internal systems not attached to broadcast aren’t spying on anyone. Or if they are, I’m not sure they can’t in 2025, but one can buy an old system in a thrift shop, save lots of money, and there’ll be no monthly bills. Building an addition or getting a larger church is much more expensive than a TV monitor and video camera! 

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    « Reply #28 on: March 04, 2025, 02:59:59 PM »
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  • I shouldn’t have to breathe in cigarettes or pot at Mass either.
    You’ve been to a Mass where people were smoking cigarettes and marijuana?  

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    « Reply #29 on: March 04, 2025, 03:05:11 PM »
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  • The Catholics prior to Vatican II did not need overflow rooms because there were so many valid, licit masses available. How old are you that you cannot differentiate between a television being used to stream Mass versus movies, tv shows, etc.? Too old.
    How old are you?  Why all of a sudden there are now televisions in chapels when there wasn’t?  Going along with the nєω ωσrℓ∂ σr∂єr church.   We all see the gradual changes to SSPX and many that go to independents chapels are living a double life too. 

    These aren’t regular tvs.  These are “smart” tvs.  Big brother is watching. 



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