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Offline Raoul76

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« Reply #15 on: July 14, 2010, 04:07:19 PM »
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    • Ladislaus said:
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    That's one of the things that backed me away from radical sedevacantism.  At one point I realized that I was the only Catholic left in the world  :sign-surrender:


    Then how about non-radical sedevacantism?
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    « Reply #16 on: July 14, 2010, 04:12:35 PM »
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    • It would also help if people stopped being gullible and realized that this is Pope Augustine, who actually has shown now that he is doing real damage.  That is why I am constantly hectoring Matthew to stop letting him on this forum in all his incarnations.  He is dividing and playing games.  He is now helping lead people away from sedevacantism with his little Jonathan Swift-like but  inaccurate satires.  

    Has it occurred to you, Belloc and Ladislaus, that the likes of him and Pope Michael are either ( a ) plants or ( b ) Eccentrics?  That they don't represent sedevacantism?  Ask yourselves, why do you want to find excuses to deny the theological position, using someone like CM?  I don't care if everyone in the sede world is insane, the position is still the truth!

    Belloc, I can't speak for, but Ladislaus, I have a really hard time believing you can't make the proper distinctions here -- to use Caminus' language.  I think you have a disingenuous streak.  It's coming out more and more.  Oh well, you're Hungarian.  They are mercurial people, impossible to figure out.

    Am I the only one here who can pick up on someone's syntax and their style?  THIS IS AUGUSTINE.
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    « Reply #17 on: July 14, 2010, 04:15:46 PM »
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    • I think it is wrong to post these from false pontiffs as well. They are either evil or nuts and we should be praying.
    And, to declare yourself pontiff is not radical sedevacantism is is certifiable lunacy.
    I have never met a sede who believes in this nonsense.
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    « Reply #18 on: July 14, 2010, 04:19:23 PM »
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    • R76 said:
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    Belloc, I can't speak for, but Ladislaus, I have a really hard time believing you can't make the proper distinctions here


    That doesn't mean I think you're stupid, Belloc, far from it.  Just that you don't seem much interested in the theological side of things, beyond the traddie basics, while Ladislaus was in seminary and knows Latin, etc.
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    « Reply #19 on: July 14, 2010, 04:22:36 PM »
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    • Quote from: Dawn
    I think it is wrong to post these from false pontiffs as well. They are either evil or nuts and we should be praying.
    And, to declare yourself pontiff is not radical sedevacantism is is certifiable lunacy.
    I have never met a sede who believes in this nonsense.


    I think it is wrong as well, but perhaps it is being done to ridicule sedes in general.  
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    « Reply #20 on: July 14, 2010, 04:29:41 PM »
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    • Dawn said:
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    I think it is wrong to post these from false pontiffs as well.


    He's not even a false pontiff.  It's just a joke.  He's a joker.  But the joke has consequences.  What's really wrong about posting this guy's garbage is that he is clearly anti-Catholic -- he is mocking the religion itself, trying to make it look barbaric ( flogs women for wearing pants, skins gαys alive, etc ).  It reminds me of Jews who present Catholicism in their films as an exaggerated nonstop Inquisition, men in black with torture racks and pincers.  That is the essence of his "joke."

    I'm probably going to get banned for this, but Matthew, YOU posted his trash this time, after seeing what he did last time he was here.  Why are still so amused by him after seeing  the dark side of this guy, with his little drawing?

    It is tempting to speculate about what kind of creep this Pope Augustine is, but I will refrain.
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    « Reply #21 on: July 14, 2010, 05:04:00 PM »
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    • I guess I haven't been on this forum to  know who this AUGUSTINE is, but I gather by reading here, he is some sort of character who comes and goes with different monikers.  Is that correct?

    Somone to give SV a bad rap.  

    Confused am I, since I thought this original note here was from Matthew.   ?   :detective:
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    « Reply #22 on: July 14, 2010, 05:26:32 PM »
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    • Quote from: Belloc
    Quote from: Caminus
    It must be positively thrilling to know that you are one of the last three remaining faithful on the entire earth.  The feelings of God's special providence must be overwhelming.


    sorta like double predestination....makes one feel great and hard on others..


    Double predestination only makes one feel great if one is a Calvinist. Calvinists commit the sin of presumption and presume to know that they are among the elect, the truth is this that while the number of the elect is determined by God none of the elect save perhaps by a special grace can know for certain that they are among that number.

    Thus for a person who believes in double predestination yet does not commit the sin of presumption their is no self centered joy, any joy that such a person would take in the doctrine would not then be centered on self, but rather centered on God happy that everything contributes to his glory even the damnation of the reprobates who he himself knows he might be apart of.
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    « Reply #23 on: July 14, 2010, 05:58:47 PM »
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    How pathetic is that!

    He believes that there are only 3 Catholics left in the world (namely, those who are insane enough to embrace him as pope)

    As a consequence, he tells his "flock" to avoid marriage, since there are currently no female Catholics!

     :laugh1:

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    Its no biggie, celibacy ought to be the norm anyway as it is how we are to be in heaven, that said if a person who struggles with inordinate lust were to submit to his holiness he might be in trouble, though I am sure the church is small enough that such could be examined on a case to case basis.

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    « Reply #24 on: July 14, 2010, 06:41:06 PM »
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    • Quote from: Laurentius
    Its no biggie, celibacy ought to be the norm anyway as it is how we are to be in heaven


    Where did you "learn" this?
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    « Reply #25 on: July 14, 2010, 07:46:57 PM »
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    Its no biggie, celibacy ought to be the norm anyway as it is how we are to be in heaven


    Where did you "learn" this?


    When I say it ought to be the norm I of coarse mean the idealized norm, not the norm that will ever exist here on earth, remember that st. Paul himself wished that all could be as he was i.e celibate and thus free from carnal bondage but he proclaimed that it was better to marry than to burn in lust.

    I am also reminded that it was the heretic Jovian who advocated the position that matrimony and celibacy were to be considered equally holy, the orthodox position is that while marriage is indeed good celibacy is a superior calling and a greater gift, thus ideally we would all be free from matrimony.
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    « Reply #26 on: July 15, 2010, 12:03:23 PM »
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    • Quote from: Laurentius
    the orthodox position is that while marriage is indeed good celibacy is a superior calling and a greater gift, thus ideally we would all be free from matrimony.

    Of course, "ideally" is opposed to "realistically". The virtue of prudence demands being realistic, and being realistic we know the ideal will not be realized especially considering Scripture and prophecy. However, if the ideal can be imagined to be reached, then no more Catholics would be created except through converson of other young non-Catholics in the world by celibate Catholics. The ultimate ideal is that all Catholics are celibate and there are no more to convert. Basically, that would be the end of the world.
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    « Reply #27 on: July 15, 2010, 12:08:24 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus
    That's one of the things that backed me away from radical sedevacantism.  At one point I realized that I was the only Catholic left in the world  :sign-surrender:


    That is one of the things that backs me away from Sedevacantism period.

    It leads, ultimately, to bitterness, Pharasaism, home alonism, and to complete despair.

    If I ever started down that road I don't know where I'd ultimately end up. That is why I won't go there.
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    « Reply #28 on: July 15, 2010, 12:12:54 PM »
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    • That is so false. We do not stay home alone, we have Mass on Sundays and a great bunch of people that attend. I never seen this dispair you speak of.  I am so happy to finally have a good priest and the Real Mass and Sacraments.
    Seems to me that you are taking a few oddballs (and we all know it may be the same person registering under differents and using that against us).
    Why that would be the same as saying that ALL SSPX memebers agree with the treatment of Bishop WIlliamson which I know to be a false statement.
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    « Reply #29 on: July 15, 2010, 12:24:29 PM »
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    • Matthew, have you ever spent any time at a sede chapel?

    The one I go to (when I am able) includes the nicest group of people I have EVER encountered anywhere.  Do you honestly think sedes talk only about the crisis in the Church?  Sometimes I wish they would, but we are, after all, normal people despite what you think.  They are also the happiest group of people.  After Mass, all you hear outside is laughing, and the laughter is contagious.   Sometimes, when I'm trying to make my thanksgiving and I hear this one particular person laughing, I can't help but laugh myself.

    The other sede chapel that I am familiar with is the same.

    I know of no sedevacantists that actually thinks that if you are not a sede, you will lose your soul.  Where did you ever get such an idea?  
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