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Traditional Catholic Faith => Crisis in the Church => Topic started by: Matthew on July 14, 2010, 12:32:23 AM
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Get a load of this guy! Absolutely bonkers.
To the remnant faithful scattered abroad, numbering three,
Greetings and blessings in the name of God, and Jesus Christ His Son the Lord. We here at the Apostolic See remain in steadfast faith with you, always thanking God every day that He has given us the gift of His knowledge and wisdom, and the gift of those few who are bold in His Son and by His Spirit- bold to hold faith when it is even against hope. But these are not ends in themselves. For they lead to hope, and hope leads to charity, being ever mindful that God is everywhere and all things are in Him and from Him.
The world is slowly becoming more sober. Already the wrath of God is working sobermindedness. Yet, the vast majority of those who classify themselves as among the youth remain indolent, slothful, slow to learn and irresponsible, men who do not seek the truth, unmindful of wisdom, and not prepared for the fate of fire that must await such who are ruthless and foolish.
Given that the ancient Catholic and Apostolic Church presently consists of only three members, the Pope continues to work with his own hands in a secular profession, never expecting or asking anything. Further, requiring for the work of the saints only that which the saints are able to give, and hoping to give more than is received. For you are all called to be saints. Those whom He calls, them He also justifies, but will you remain in His goodness? We believe brethren that you will all remain in his goodness, for you are chosen out of a greatly evil generation, and you are few in number. God has raised for Himself a remnant that will glorify Him in its sanctification, and not be like those who are among those destined to perdition.
We think here of Michael- who is resolute in faith despite all that seems contrary. But he knows the dogmas, and does not question the articles. Therefore his faith remains steadfast. We think also of Kohl. Firm in the north and resolute. We hope he remains well, as we have not received any additional questions since his last. But we know that God is with all, even as His Spirit lives in those who fear Him with a sanctified fear.
Finally brethren, be always ready to give an answer for the hope that is inside you. For this hope lives and the Spirit bears fruit by it. This fruit grows from a root into a tree. The law works wrath, but the support of Jesus Christ works charity. For faith is the foundation of all righteousness.
Brethren, we remain sound in health of mind, body, and spirit. We know it is Christ that sustains all of this, whether we have prayed for it or not. We can only ask you to not cease to remember Us in your prayers, especially the holy rosary, and to remind the Mother of God of us, even if we are only one out of three that remain. It is true, the world seems quiet, awaiting in a quiet expectation the coming wrath. For God does not slumber, but is now awakening the terrors of the Apocalypse, to bring the world into the way of His commands.
Therefore, flee all sɛҳuąƖ immorality and embrace chastity. Since there are no women who are true Catholics, do not give way to marriage unless a woman has converted, and especially because you are not already married. For the freedom of God cannot be united to the slavery of idolatry. Walk meekly in the world, performing work with your hands and mind. Above all dedicate your mind to Jesus Christ Our Lord and test all things according to His requirements. Pray daily and often, knowing that the prayer of a righteous man availeth much.
Brethren, if you have fallen into mortal sin, please write the Apostolic See and have your sins remitted! Now- we know you are not perfect, for if you were perfect then we would be there with Him face to face. Yet we are required to be as those who are perfect. Is it possible you have no sins that require the remission of the power of the keys of Our jurisdiction? So then avail yourselves of this gift, write to the Apostolic See if you are in mortal sin, or even in venial sin, and seek forgiveness by the power of the keys so that you can be sure your sins have been forgiven in Him. We continue to hope that we may see all of you in the flesh soon.
God’s Speed to the Saints in God
Boniface X P.P.
Servant of the Servants of God in Exile at America
An epistle to the saints in English
DATED this 14th day of July, 2010
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How pathetic is that!
He believes that there are only 3 Catholics left in the world (namely, those who are insane enough to embrace him as pope)
As a consequence, he tells his "flock" to avoid marriage, since there are currently no female Catholics!
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Matthew
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It must be positively thrilling to know that you are one of the last three remaining faithful on the entire earth. The feelings of God's special providence must be overwhelming.
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And here I thought I needed a job... This is Pope Augustine again.
We think here of Michael- who is resolute in faith despite all that seems contrary. But he knows the dogmas, and does not question the articles. Therefore his faith remains steadfast. We think also of Kohl. Firm in the north and resolute.
You, sir, are possessed of the devil. "Firm in the North" and "Michael"? Playing off the Book of Daniel perhaps?
There is more to this cryptic character than meets the eye, Matthew. The joke is more sinister than you think.
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That's one of the things that backed me away from radical sedevacantism. At one point I realized that I was the only Catholic left in the world :sign-surrender:
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That's one of the things that backed me away from radical sedevacantism. At one point I realized that I was the only Catholic left in the world
Your real problem is to think there is a "sedevacantism" at all. There is no such separate system of thought as that packaged "-ism". You had some other errors in your own thinking that cause you to go to an extreme. Believing that a papal claimant is illegitimate does not itself cause people to believe themselves the only Catholics left in the world. Some other errors in thinking cause that.
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It must be positively thrilling to know that you are one of the last three remaining faithful on the entire earth. The feelings of God's special providence must be overwhelming.
sorta like double predestination....makes one feel great and hard on others..
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That's one of the things that backed me away from radical sedevacantism. At one point I realized that I was the only Catholic left in the world :sign-surrender:
true, thats the natural outcome for too many in SV circles-not all mind you, but too many, like CM was.
also, any coherent discussion of SV is marred by people like this....SV then are all group with these types and looked at as kooks.....
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Your real problem is to think there is a "sedevacantism" at all. There is no such separate system of thought as that packaged "-ism".
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Belloc, was Christianity marred by Judas, Peter's thrice denial, doubting Thomas? All the massive heretical movements in history? All the sinners in the top hierarchy in history? Is Christianity marred by all of these? Is "the Catholic Church" marred by all of these?
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Belloc, was Christianity marred by Judas, Peter's thrice denial, doubting Thomas? All the massive heretical movements in history? All the sinners in the top hierarchy in history? Is Christianity marred by all of these? Is "the Catholic Church" marred by all of these?
"And Jesus wept."
You sir, Patman, are wrong. That was the best response I could make to thwart your idiocy and still remain in the TOS of this forum.
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Belloc, was Christianity marred by Judas, Peter's thrice denial, doubting Thomas? All the massive heretical movements in history? All the sinners in the top hierarchy in history? Is Christianity marred by all of these? Is "the Catholic Church" marred by all of these?
"And Jesus wept."
You sir, Patman, are wrong. That was the best response I could make to thwart your idiocy and still remain in the TOS of this forum.
I am sure it is in perfect accord with the TOS for you to give an explanation detailing why you think I am wrong. But I am not wrong because all heretical movements in history do not sully Christianity. If a person believes a particular papal claimant is not a true pope, and he is correct on that point, any other errors of his, are his own errors, and have no relationship to his position on the status of the pope. If he is in error about electing his own pope, it is not caused by his first truth, it is caused by his ignorance of other truths, namely, that a pope can only be elected by Catholics living in the Roman vicinity. Guilt by association is false thinking and that is what people do when it comes to the sedevacantists - find some extreme error and MAKE IT marr everything else they believe. It is false reasoning, often caused by a bias and impatience to calmly consider things in detail.
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Quite right.
Certain people like nothing better than a good sede scandal or, for that matter, a good trad scandal. In fact, I know a few pathetic souls who seem to thrive on such scandals. They seem to come alive only when they occur. It's their life-blood. Furthermore, it is the only reason why they hang in trad circles; the more scandal they come upon, the happier they are. I often wonder if they are writing a book, or working for someone gathering info on traditionals for a psychiatric casework study.
The better to smear you, my dear! Nothing like a good character assassination to make you feel better about yourself.
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That's one of the things that backed me away from radical sedevacantism. At one point I realized that I was the only Catholic left in the world :sign-surrender:
true, thats the natural outcome for too many in SV circles-not all mind you, but too many, like CM was.
also, any coherent discussion of SV is marred by people like this....SV then are all group with these types and looked at as kooks.....
My very dear Belloc, do you know every sede in the world? And, if so, have you done a sede poll? How comes you by the knowledge that this is the "natural outcome for too many in SV circles...."?
In my little sede corner of the world, I know not one who thinks like this.
:rolleyes:
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Belloc said:
also, any coherent discussion of SV is marred by people like this....SV then are all group with these types and looked at as kooks.....
Belloc, this is way beneath you. There is plenty of coherent discussion about SV. Read Bellarmine Forums, or read certain articles by Bishop Sanborn ( though he is sedeprivationist ) or -- gasp! -- Father Cekada. See if what they say convinces you.
For someone who is aware of cօռspιʀαcιҽs like you are, how can you miss what is going on? The whole point of the devil's strategy is to try to phase out the resistance, or at least to buy time for the intruders in Rome. Just like in American politics they will throw Ron Paul at "libertarian-conservative" people to make them think they have a real choice, the SSPX and Indult are for the trad version of this. 90% of the truth but with a drop of poison.
SSPX is working hand-in-hand with said devil, whether the leaders are aware or not, and so are "recognize and resist" VII trads. Having their Latin Mass keeps all the trads sweet and allied with heretical false church, so that it continue to rampage and do more damage. Then they tell us we're too concerned with the "Pope issue" and have an obsession, as if having a heretic in the See of Peter and a false Magisterium is no big whoop. Just as long as they have their incense and bells!
But the sedes, who see more of the truth of what is happening, are driven into a corner, paranoid and under pressure, and because of this -- or because of personal problems, which are common to all Catholics -- sometimes go a little too far.
You are going to deny sedevacantism because of CM? Then why not blame the SSPX position because of Father Carlos Urrutigoity? Or the Indult recognize-and-resist position for, I don't know, take your pick, all those priests celebrate the NO or at least recognize it as the ordinary form, while they accept that the Latin Mass is only permitted as an extraordinary privilege...
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Ladislaus said:
That's one of the things that backed me away from radical sedevacantism. At one point I realized that I was the only Catholic left in the world :sign-surrender:
Then how about non-radical sedevacantism?
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It would also help if people stopped being gullible and realized that this is Pope Augustine, who actually has shown now that he is doing real damage. That is why I am constantly hectoring Matthew to stop letting him on this forum in all his incarnations. He is dividing and playing games. He is now helping lead people away from sedevacantism with his little Jonathan Swift-like but inaccurate satires.
Has it occurred to you, Belloc and Ladislaus, that the likes of him and Pope Michael are either ( a ) plants or ( b ) Eccentrics? That they don't represent sedevacantism? Ask yourselves, why do you want to find excuses to deny the theological position, using someone like CM? I don't care if everyone in the sede world is insane, the position is still the truth!
Belloc, I can't speak for, but Ladislaus, I have a really hard time believing you can't make the proper distinctions here -- to use Caminus' language. I think you have a disingenuous streak. It's coming out more and more. Oh well, you're Hungarian. They are mercurial people, impossible to figure out.
Am I the only one here who can pick up on someone's syntax and their style? THIS IS AUGUSTINE.
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I think it is wrong to post these from false pontiffs as well. They are either evil or nuts and we should be praying.
And, to declare yourself pontiff is not radical sedevacantism is is certifiable lunacy.
I have never met a sede who believes in this nonsense.
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R76 said:
Belloc, I can't speak for, but Ladislaus, I have a really hard time believing you can't make the proper distinctions here
That doesn't mean I think you're stupid, Belloc, far from it. Just that you don't seem much interested in the theological side of things, beyond the traddie basics, while Ladislaus was in seminary and knows Latin, etc.
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I think it is wrong to post these from false pontiffs as well. They are either evil or nuts and we should be praying.
And, to declare yourself pontiff is not radical sedevacantism is is certifiable lunacy.
I have never met a sede who believes in this nonsense.
I think it is wrong as well, but perhaps it is being done to ridicule sedes in general.
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Dawn said:
I think it is wrong to post these from false pontiffs as well.
He's not even a false pontiff. It's just a joke. He's a joker. But the joke has consequences. What's really wrong about posting this guy's garbage is that he is clearly anti-Catholic -- he is mocking the religion itself, trying to make it look barbaric ( flogs women for wearing pants, skins gαys alive, etc ). It reminds me of Jews who present Catholicism in their films as an exaggerated nonstop Inquisition, men in black with torture racks and pincers. That is the essence of his "joke."
I'm probably going to get banned for this, but Matthew, YOU posted his trash this time, after seeing what he did last time he was here. Why are still so amused by him after seeing the dark side of this guy, with his little drawing?
It is tempting to speculate about what kind of creep this Pope Augustine is, but I will refrain.
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I guess I haven't been on this forum to know who this AUGUSTINE is, but I gather by reading here, he is some sort of character who comes and goes with different monikers. Is that correct?
Somone to give SV a bad rap.
Confused am I, since I thought this original note here was from Matthew. ? :detective:
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It must be positively thrilling to know that you are one of the last three remaining faithful on the entire earth. The feelings of God's special providence must be overwhelming.
sorta like double predestination....makes one feel great and hard on others..
Double predestination only makes one feel great if one is a Calvinist. Calvinists commit the sin of presumption and presume to know that they are among the elect, the truth is this that while the number of the elect is determined by God none of the elect save perhaps by a special grace can know for certain that they are among that number.
Thus for a person who believes in double predestination yet does not commit the sin of presumption their is no self centered joy, any joy that such a person would take in the doctrine would not then be centered on self, but rather centered on God happy that everything contributes to his glory even the damnation of the reprobates who he himself knows he might be apart of.
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How pathetic is that!
He believes that there are only 3 Catholics left in the world (namely, those who are insane enough to embrace him as pope)
As a consequence, he tells his "flock" to avoid marriage, since there are currently no female Catholics!
:laugh1:
Matthew
Its no biggie, celibacy ought to be the norm anyway as it is how we are to be in heaven, that said if a person who struggles with inordinate lust were to submit to his holiness he might be in trouble, though I am sure the church is small enough that such could be examined on a case to case basis.
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Its no biggie, celibacy ought to be the norm anyway as it is how we are to be in heaven
Where did you "learn" this?
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Its no biggie, celibacy ought to be the norm anyway as it is how we are to be in heaven
Where did you "learn" this?
When I say it ought to be the norm I of coarse mean the idealized norm, not the norm that will ever exist here on earth, remember that st. Paul himself wished that all could be as he was i.e celibate and thus free from carnal bondage but he proclaimed that it was better to marry than to burn in lust.
I am also reminded that it was the heretic Jovian who advocated the position that matrimony and celibacy were to be considered equally holy, the orthodox position is that while marriage is indeed good celibacy is a superior calling and a greater gift, thus ideally we would all be free from matrimony.
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the orthodox position is that while marriage is indeed good celibacy is a superior calling and a greater gift, thus ideally we would all be free from matrimony.
Of course, "ideally" is opposed to "realistically". The virtue of prudence demands being realistic, and being realistic we know the ideal will not be realized especially considering Scripture and prophecy. However, if the ideal can be imagined to be reached, then no more Catholics would be created except through converson of other young non-Catholics in the world by celibate Catholics. The ultimate ideal is that all Catholics are celibate and there are no more to convert. Basically, that would be the end of the world.
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That's one of the things that backed me away from radical sedevacantism. At one point I realized that I was the only Catholic left in the world :sign-surrender:
That is one of the things that backs me away from Sedevacantism period.
It leads, ultimately, to bitterness, Pharasaism, home alonism, and to complete despair.
If I ever started down that road I don't know where I'd ultimately end up. That is why I won't go there.
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That is so false. We do not stay home alone, we have Mass on Sundays and a great bunch of people that attend. I never seen this dispair you speak of. I am so happy to finally have a good priest and the Real Mass and Sacraments.
Seems to me that you are taking a few oddballs (and we all know it may be the same person registering under differents and using that against us).
Why that would be the same as saying that ALL SSPX memebers agree with the treatment of Bishop WIlliamson which I know to be a false statement.
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Matthew, have you ever spent any time at a sede chapel?
The one I go to (when I am able) includes the nicest group of people I have EVER encountered anywhere. Do you honestly think sedes talk only about the crisis in the Church? Sometimes I wish they would, but we are, after all, normal people despite what you think. They are also the happiest group of people. After Mass, all you hear outside is laughing, and the laughter is contagious. Sometimes, when I'm trying to make my thanksgiving and I hear this one particular person laughing, I can't help but laugh myself.
The other sede chapel that I am familiar with is the same.
I know of no sedevacantists that actually thinks that if you are not a sede, you will lose your soul. Where did you ever get such an idea?
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That's one of the things that backed me away from radical sedevacantism. At one point I realized that I was the only Catholic left in the world :sign-surrender:
That is one of the things that backs me away from Sedevacantism period.
It leads, ultimately, to bitterness, Pharasaism, home alonism, and to complete despair.
If I ever started down that road I don't know where I'd ultimately end up. That is why I won't go there.
Matthew, you do not have trust in truth and what it entails or implies. You simply don't. You are pitting your personal hypothetical fears against the value of truth, rather than, like a child trusting the care of his own mother, distrusting how truth and reason will carry you into safety and God's care. Truth is a reflection of God. Reason and logic infallibly give you that reflection.
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Matthew, have you ever spent any time at a sede chapel?
The one I go to (when I am able) includes the nicest group of people I have EVER encountered anywhere. Do you honestly think sedes talk only about the crisis in the Church? Sometimes I wish they would, but we are, after all, normal people despite what you think. They are also the happiest group of people. After Mass, all you hear outside is laughing, and the laughter is contagious. Sometimes, when I'm trying to make my thanksgiving and I hear this one particular person laughing, I can't help but laugh myself.
The other sede chapel that I am familiar with is the same.
I know of no sedevacantists that actually thinks that if you are not a sede, you will lose your soul. Where did you ever get such an idea?
I've met plenty of them on here.
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Matthew, have you ever spent any time at a sede chapel?
The one I go to (when I am able) includes the nicest group of people I have EVER encountered anywhere. Do you honestly think sedes talk only about the crisis in the Church? Sometimes I wish they would, but we are, after all, normal people despite what you think. They are also the happiest group of people. After Mass, all you hear outside is laughing, and the laughter is contagious. Sometimes, when I'm trying to make my thanksgiving and I hear this one particular person laughing, I can't help but laugh myself.
The other sede chapel that I am familiar with is the same.
I know of no sedevacantists that actually thinks that if you are not a sede, you will lose your soul. Where did you ever get such an idea?
I've met plenty of them on here.
That you "will"? No. That you are in grave danger? Yes. We will be finally judged on how well we obeyed our consciences...and more importantly, how well we intend to form our consciences well.
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So by attending the SSPX I'm not "good to go", huh?
I'm of bad will because I'm not forming my conscience properly?
I'm in danger, and will only save my soul if I convert?
That's a violation of the rules.
You are banned permanently from CathInfo!
Anyone else want to try me?
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the orthodox position is that while marriage is indeed good celibacy is a superior calling and a greater gift, thus ideally we would all be free from matrimony.
Of course, "ideally" is opposed to "realistically". The virtue of prudence demands being realistic, and being realistic we know the ideal will not be realized especially considering Scripture and prophecy. However, if the ideal can be imagined to be reached, then no more Catholics would be created except through converson of other young non-Catholics in the world by celibate Catholics. The ultimate ideal is that all Catholics are celibate and there are no more to convert. Basically, that would be the end of the world.
I do think Pope Augustine realizes that the calling to celibacy is a gift not given to all, so I am sure if a person struggled with lust and absolutely lacked the power to be celibate such a situation would be handled.