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Re: Third Secret of Fatima Theory: The Tip of the Spear as a Flame
« Reply #10 on: December 29, 2021, 08:55:23 AM »
It's things like the coming Chastisement and restoration that make me think MHFM may have been right about JPII



The reason I say this is due to Fr. Berry's reading of the timeline of events, wherein the Antichrist precedes the Restoration of the Church, followed by centuries of peace before the final battle of Gog and Magog. It also wouldn't be much of a deception if people weren't deceived by Antichrist to begin with. And given that sins against the first thru third Commandments are the most offensive against God, a man like JPII preaching such a heinous and insidious anti-Gospel has resulted in the deception and death of millions upon millions of souls in Hell. A worse fate than any sort of bodily chastisements.

But, I digress, as there are also things prophesied that were not fulfilled during JPII's reign of terror.

Biggest problem with that theory is that JPII doesn't fulfill all the marks of the Antichrist. He did not issue the Mark of the Beast, nor did achievement world domination in the way that this passage implies that the Antichrist will do (though the blaspheming bit fits quite well with his actions):

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And he [the Beast] opened his mouth unto blasphemies against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven. And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them. And power was given him over every tribe, and people, and tongue, and nation. And all that dwell upon the earth adored him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb, which was slain from the beginning of the world.  If any man have an ear, let him hear. He that shall lead into captivity, shall go into captivity: he that shall kill by the sword, must be killed by the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.

(Apocalypse 13:6-10)

I think that the reading of the Restoration coming after the Antichrist comes off as Millennialist, and that a more suitable interpretation of the thousand years is age of Christendom from approximately 500 AD-1500 AD. This is how Bishop Williamson interpreted it in one of his seminary lectures on the Book of the Apocalypse, when covering the chapter that mentions the thousand years. He says, if I am remembering properly, that it would make less sense for the thousand years to be approximately from the years 2000-3000 (these conferences were given in 1998 and 1999) than the years 500-1500, due to the way man has generally degraded every generation further removed from Adam and Eve since the Fall. I'll find that conference and link it here for reference and maybe make a clip out of his discussion of the subject.


Re: Third Secret of Fatima Theory: The Tip of the Spear as a Flame
« Reply #11 on: December 29, 2021, 09:02:41 AM »
This bolded quote has made me think, even before the thread. People were already talking about this in the FE topics, but the Carrington Event connection adds a bit more sense to it. I don't think I believe there are Nephilim buried under Antarctica, etc., but it might make sense if the PTB believe it will be one of the few livable places after the magnetic shift.

According to part 3 and the source material The Adam and Eve Story by Chan Thomas, Antarctica will (once again) become a tropical paradise due to the shift in the poles. So their actions and policies towards that continent make far more sense with this in mind than with any other explanation, on top of what already might be there. 

Some info on this book from a site with a different version up for download than the CIA version: 

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In The Adam and Eve Story, Chan proposed that the pole shift was much greater, as much as 90 degrees with the poles shifting into the equatorial zone in less than a day. Chan has proposed the poles would flip back and forth in this way so that Antarctica would eventually return to the South Pole region, and the Arctic would do likewise.



Difference from the CIA version:

Includes three additional chapters: Cataclysms Revisited, Conclusion, and The Author

Cataclysms Revisited from Page 63 to page 118, just prior to Conclusion India, Greece, Egypt and the entire end section.

In the early 1960s, Thomas Chan wrote a book titled The Adam and Eve Story and attempted to have it published by Emerson House in Los Angeles.

Soon after publishing the full issue, the CIA classified his book for 50 years. An FOIA lawsuit was filed against the CIA to release the book.

In 2013, the CIA released a "cleansed" version of the original book (50 pages out of 240 original pages).

The major difference to Hapgood's claims is that, according to Chan Thomas, the crust moved back to its original position within a relatively short time.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cataclysmic_pole_shift_hypothesis



Re: Third Secret of Fatima Theory: The Tip of the Spear as a Flame
« Reply #12 on: December 29, 2021, 06:48:29 PM »
I'm about 30 minutes into the 1st part, and there's a couple red flags for me:

1. Trusting Malachi Martin on this subject, as the man has proven to be an enigma and had a penchant for appealing to his audience (he was also into the Kabbalah, read "In Quest of Catholicity" for proof).
2. This guy has full-on bought into the masonic cosmology which is promoted as "truth". Therefore, his speculation about the spear are no more convincing than Yves Dupont's belief that the Chastisement would come by way of comet

Again, I'm only 30 minutes in and willing to hear him out, but, I'm so far not really into his interpretation of events.
I looked up the book you mentioned and read this review:

Misrepresented as authored by Malachi Martin.
"The parts of the book written by Fr. Martin are great; however, those parts are a small and few. Most of the book consists of personal letters written by an enthusiastic fan writing TO Fr. Martin, which I found tedious."

Can you be more specific in this charge against Father Martin?

Re: Third Secret of Fatima Theory: The Tip of the Spear as a Flame
« Reply #13 on: December 29, 2021, 07:23:41 PM »
I looked up the book you mentioned and read this review:

Misrepresented as authored by Malachi Martin.
"The parts of the book written by Fr. Martin are great; however, those parts are a small and few. Most of the book consists of personal letters written by an enthusiastic fan writing TO Fr. Martin, which I found tedious."

Can you be more specific in this charge against Father Martin?
Sure, it is a collection of correspondence between Fr. Malachi Martin and renowned physicist Dr. Wolfgang Smith. Within the book they share love for such topics as Jean Borella, their thoughts on Hans Urs von Balthasar, as well as Lutheran "mystic" Jacob Boehme (a Hermeticist), and the Kabbalah itself.

Excerpts of Fr. Martin from Chapter I "Enter Jacob Boehme":

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Incidentally, has anyone - except Isaiah in his mocking dirge for the Son of the Dawn - ever expressed the terrible ontological shipwreck that Lucifer achieved? I have copied out Boehme's paragraphs for quotation to penitents and to people undergoing both demonic obsession and demonic possession. Boehme expresses such disgust and contempt together with such bitter regret over the spoiling of Lucifer's original archangelic beauty and excellence. Boehme, by the way, strikes a very authentic note in not calling Lucifer an archangel but a member of the Second Choir of Angels (the Cherubim). p. 20
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You have my particular thanks for responding to my question about spirit and spiritual. The parallels with the Kabbalah and the triple world of the Vedic tradition fit into this picture. I am still inclined to ascribe all such "traces" to the original Hermetic knowledge (Revelation?) which I have always thought of as the pre-Christ Christology. If I do not presuppose this, I find it difficult to account for such wisdom in so many diverse places and sources. Perhaps I must wait for the Beatific Vision in eternity before knowing the answer. p. 20
[...]
At the same time, I know that in this letter I have used language both exoteric and esoteric. Even before I entered all this, this year, I was thinking outside such bounds, especially when trying (Anselmwise) to understand for instance why Lord Jesus could realistically say, at the Last Supper before He died and rose and ascended, "This is My Body..." Or understand His words to Mary Magdalene in the Garden on Easter morn. Or how I can possibly be associated with Him in enacting Calvary at my daily Mass.
There are a thousand and one scintillations of truth opened up to me like precious diamonds in your scripts and your book as well as in your Jacob Boehme that you have become my benefactor under Christ's providence. All sorts of precious revelations. p. 22


Excerpt of Fr. Martin from Chapter VI "Concerning the Kabbalah":

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Dear Wolfgang,

An immediate reaction to yours of December 15. When you mentioned Ibn Gebirol, I looked him up, and of course saw what you see. Boehme, Kabbalah and the Hermetic strain cannot be separated, as you say. The Rabbis realized that there was a special reason why the FIRST creation of God was Light: "Let there be light." And I know you read that last quotation from Book I of the Zohar in relation to the Prologue to the Fourth Gospel.
God, the Light, surely acted through Boehme, Rabbi Isaac and Ibn Gebirol and others. You now have a great opportunity to explain the unity of the mystical knowledge of the divine as distinct from the rational. I do believe John of the Cross with his doctrine of Light and Darkness belongs in this explication.
The Kabbalah connection is obvious. Interestingly, the root-word in Semitic, QBL, has the same basic signification as the Greek καταλαμβανο which John the Evangelist uses in regard to man’s incapacity/non-reception/rejection of the LIGHT. The Gematric value of ‘OR and RAS was important to the Rabbis. But the best among them used Gematric values, not as normative of meaning, but as confirmative.
In a previous letter I mentioned certain caveats and precautions in expounding this magnificent theme to a Roman Catholic audience. After the New Year’s beginning, let me drop you a few lines about this matter.

Blessings, again, on you and Thea.
Love,
Malachi p. 80